Another McDojo. Lethalo, the world's deadliest martial art!

[superdave]

What a crock! Check out the instructor bios, for a good laugh. Sadly some poor schmuck will gladly shell out the dough to learn, LETHALO!!! THE WORLD'S DEADLIEST MARTIAL ART!

Hey maybe this is where Van Damme learned his Krotty.

Another step closer to the grave for Martial arts in America.

Enjoy!

http://www.lethalo.com/pages/1/index.htm

[Cruentus]

I probably kicked "Sensei Tom's" @$$ before, or perhaps "on a daily basis for nearly 4 years...";)

[rmcrobertson]

I thought it was great, in the true, "Mystery Science Theater 3000," tradition. I particularly liked the bios...they hit all the fakery high spots...teaching around the world...teaching law enforcment...easy to learn...makes you invincible...and {my personal favorite} taught the Navy SEALS and scared their instructors....

I just love this stuff: the louder the better, I say. Bring on the ninjas! Celebrate the one-touch KOs! Praise to the no-touch KOs! All hail that guy who drags the lawn rollers around with his ding-ding! Hooray for the chi masters with the easy-to-learn Shaolin secrets! Hooraw for all the movie stars with dance training who have become badasses!

Seriously--isn't the cheesy scam a time-honored part of martial arts tradition?

Oh, I forgot my absolute favorite part--CardioLethalo!

[superdave]

I just love the testimonials! Especially, the "gang bangers beware" story.

Hey, maybe Count Dante can come back from the dead and join up with these guys. Or maybe Iron Kim, Hmmmmmm....

[arnisador]

I saw this one in the phone book while traveling recently:
http://www.combatexpert.com

The yellow pages ad had the same outrageous claims in it. I wrote down the URL to check when I got home because it was so exaggerated I was curious!

[rmcrobertson]

Hey, can we start a thread on everybody's favorite completely ridiculous martial arts website?

I just love this stuff. It's a useful antidote to the seriousness with which I approach martial arts, for one thing...reading through, "Commander Coal," and his explanations of why North Royalton's having problems renting him a building is a great tension reliever--provided we skip the desperate attempt to make a buck that a lot of these sites evince, which is kinda depresssing.

And here's my question of the week: do the Navy SEALS ever do ANYTHING except get trained (and intimidated) by every martially arty numbnuts on the face of the planet? Somebody with better math skills than me ought to try figuring out just how much time our country's premier covert ops (just thought I'd use some of that Commander Coal style) teams have spent in the last ten years or so, being shown that their combat skills are worthless by all these guys...

Thanks for the reference. An absolute hoot.

[Rich Parsons]

Detroit the Murder Capital of the World


Now that is something to be proud of.

Just like during the same time period FLint Mi was actually a more dangerous place and had more Rape, Murder, and gun shots and knifings and assaults per capita (* Per 1,000 people *) oh yeah and then there was Money Magazine and other Zines and publications stating it was the worst place #1 to live in the USA, oh I almost forgot Roger Rabbit oh I mean Roger Moore and his movie Roger and ME and the Rabbit Lady et al.

So, does this mean since I grew up and hung out and bounced in this time period and survived, that I would have an art even more superior then Lethalo???
:confused: :eek:




:rofl: Sorry I could Not Resist !:rofl: :rofl:

:asian:

[James Kovacich]

Originally posted by superdave
What a crock! Check out the instructor bios, for a good laugh. Sadly some poor schmuck will gladly shell out the dough to learn, LETHALO!!! THE WORLD'S DEADLIEST MARTIAL ART!

Hey maybe this is where Van Damme learned his Krotty.

Another step closer to the grave for Martial arts in America.

Enjoy!

http://www.lethalo.com/pages/1/index.htm

I am VERY surprised that Joe Moreiras name is listed as one of the instructors.:confused:

[rmcrobertson]

Boys and Girls, does Rich Parsons ever have a point. Detroit becomes the Hellmouth (att'n Buffy fans), and this guy brags about all the good training...a real martial artist would've been, say, teaching reading or running a boxing program...

Reminds me of the classic headline from "National Lampoon:" JAPAN SINKS; LOCAL COUPLE'S VACATION RUINED, as well as the leftist slogan of the 1970s, about middle-class tourism in the so-called Third World: VACATION IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MISERY.

Nice one, Mr. Parsons. I hadn't noticed.

[MartialArtist]

People always come up with the same stories it's not even funny. Looks like they're running out of original names also.

Everyone refers to the military and LE. Navy SEALs, Army SF, FBI, etc. The typical. :rolleyes: Actually, Navy SEALs, Army SF, and the FBI get rather minimal training IMO. Better than the normal units, but nothing to get all goody goody about. More training is put into what matters, not CQC. Then everyone claims that they've been stationed in Okinawa, Japan, Korea, or Thailand and learned from the great Asian masters. :rolleyes:

[MartialArtist]

http://www.combatexpert.com/new%20-%20pro%20-%20site/pro-master1-VIDEO-coal-TESTIMONIALS.htm

:rofl:

[MartialArtist]

I am a 46 year old pilot with Delta airlines, and I have been studying LETHALO for over a year. I can now say without a doubt that LETHALO is better than carrying a gun on airline flights.

[arnisador]

There were a few in that little yellow pages book that had trained the SEALs, and I had the same thought--when do they have time to do anything else than study martial arts? These SEALs probably can't even swim!

[Turner]

You know, half of the advertisements I see for the 'deadliest style in the world' offer proof by way of their being an instructor for Special or Covert Operatives. I don't begrudge them using it as a gimick, I guess it impresses the general public. Hopefully noone here is taken in by their claims. I think that we have enough people in this forum that have worked with SpecOps guys to know that their martial abilities aren't that impressive. They have excellent physical training going for them and the right mindset but that's about it. Their hand-to-hand skill is secondary with training being arranged when and if they have the time. CovertOps are the same way, they are mostly SpecOps that have left the military and have the same training. If not, they get a mere months crash course in basic self defense and whatever they are willing to pay for out of their own pocket. In my conversations with SEALs, Rangers and others about their hand to hand training, the most common response I've gotten was 'I train at (insert local dojo/dojang).'

[OULobo]

Hey guys this is my first posting here, but I have to chime in on this one. I train in the area where this "Nightbreed" guy is and I have trained with some of the more hard core guys in this area, but i have never heard of this system, this guy or this school. I think this may be a classic example of some serious money put into website advertising for a school that might not even exist. :rolleyes: Just my 2 cents.

[James Kovacich]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
People always come up with the same stories it's not even funny. Looks like they're running out of original names also.

Everyone refers to the military and LE. Navy SEALs, Army SF, FBI, etc. The typical. :rolleyes: Actually, Navy SEALs, Army SF, and the FBI get rather minimal training IMO. Better than the normal units, but nothing to get all goody goody about. More training is put into what matters, not CQC. Then everyone claims that they've been stationed in Okinawa, Japan, Korea, or Thailand and learned from the great Asian masters. :rolleyes:

Over the years a lot of people, including Americans have actually trained in Asia although some do lie without a doubt.

But to hopefully open some eyes, heres a link to someone who is still fairly young, very high ranked under my Hanshi and is well established in several arts and is helping me out with some things. Click on the video clip and turn on your speakers.:D

http://store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/tc-mq001.html

:asian:

[kkbb]

I read the copyright notice on the bottom of the Lethelo pageand this caught my eye:
"ANYONE ELSE CLAIMING TO BE A LETHALO INSTRUCTOR IS FIBBING,"

Now there's legal speak!:D :rofl:

[tonbo]

Okay, I didn't waste a whole lot of my time with "Coal Akida" and his "Nightbreed"......just browsing the site was enough.

However, I *did* like his explanation of his video clip.....how he was sparring a *3 year* veteran of kali. 3 years? Hell, 3 years into kenpo, I didn't know *squat*, much less be a real threat to anyone who knew serious martial arts.

So he can defend himself against someone who has studied for 3 years? Woooooooo. Okay, that proves a deadly fighting art, if ever I saw one.

I would rather see him stack his art up against some of the more acknowledged masters. Or maybe even take it to the UFC. Once he starts winning there, then he can get a little more respect.

Lethalo. Nightbreed. Eeeeeeesh. :rolleyes:

Peace--

[tonbo]

Did I mention that I actually trained Navy SEALS?

Well, I did.

I think that, generally, the Navy Dolphins listened a little better, but the Seals were pretty tough. Especially the Elephant Seals. Those noses are deadly.

:rolleyes:

Peace--

[tarabos]

"LEATHALO".... i love it.

that name takes the cake. I'm think that's what i'm going to name my first born...

[soccer50]

4 ONLINE COURSES?! So all us train for no reason? All them hours of hard work just smashed by the lethal art of lethalo? Cmmon

[arnisador]

Originally posted by OULobo
Hey guys this is my first posting here, but I have to chime in on this one. I train in the area where this "Nightbreed" guy is and I have trained with some of the more hard core guys in this area, but i have never heard of this system, this guy or this school.

I'm not surprised. What system are you training in, incidentally?

[OULobo]

Arnisador

I currently train a "kali" (I notice I have to use the term carfully here) system called Marcial Tirada. It's a family system with mixed components that is originally from the Pangasinan area of the Philippines. I have also put in some significant time in Bando, Aiki, Silat (Mande Muda and Maninkabau) and BJJ. I have been lurking for the past week or so and thought I would make my debut considering my part of the woods was mentioned.

[arnisador]

Yeah, we were traveling from Montreal to Terre Haute and we stayed the night thereabouts. We looked for a hotel in Erie, PA but it was booked solid (lake vacationers). Then we hit a motorcycle convention of some sort. We finally stopped a little south of Cleveland.

Please do post something about the system of Kali you study in the FMA-General forum! I doubt it'll start a 'kali' semantic debate--there are other threads for that.

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by akja
Over the years a lot of people, including Americans have actually trained in Asia although some do lie without a doubt.

But to hopefully open some eyes, heres a link to someone who is still fairly young, very high ranked under my Hanshi and is well established in several arts and is helping me out with some things. Click on the video clip and turn on your speakers.:D

http://store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/tc-mq001.html

:asian:
I know, because I've done it myself. I trained in Korea when I was in my pre-teen years, and later when I was in the military.

One thing though... Most people who usually train there don't claim 10th dans there or when they come back, and advertise here and there.

It's just way too easy to trace

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by tonbo
Did I mention that I actually trained Navy SEALS?

Well, I did.

I think that, generally, the Navy Dolphins listened a little better, but the Seals were pretty tough. Especially the Elephant Seals. Those noses are deadly.

:rolleyes:

Peace--
I'd watch out for those narwals...

[James Kovacich]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
I know, because I've done it myself. I trained in Korea when I was in my pre-teen years, and later when I was in the military.

One thing though... Most people who usually train there don't claim 10th dans there or when they come back, and advertise here and there.

It's just way too easy to trace

You know I see the same things you see. And all goes as planned I too (HOPEFULLY) will be able to go and train in Asia and Brazil.

[MJS]

Its too bad that people have to do what they do to make a buck! Its sad that this is what the arts, well, some of them anyway, have come to. THe real sad thing, is that there are people out there that will buy this crap, and think that they are actually learning something useful. I'd hate to be that person, when they are on the street and they get into a fight and get their a** kicked. Maybe then they will wake up and realize that they wasted all that money.

Mike

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by rmcrobertson
Boys and Girls, does Rich Parsons ever have a point. Detroit becomes the Hellmouth (att'n Buffy fans), and this guy brags about all the good training...a real martial artist would've been, say, teaching reading or running a boxing program...

Reminds me of the classic headline from "National Lampoon:" JAPAN SINKS; LOCAL COUPLE'S VACATION RUINED, as well as the leftist slogan of the 1970s, about middle-class tourism in the so-called Third World: VACATION IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MISERY.

Nice one, Mr. Parsons. I hadn't noticed.

Robert :asian:


Thank You :D for your comment

I hope I have not hurt the poor feelings of all those locals gangs that did the deeds to makes the statistics :(

Peace :asian:

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by tonbo
Did I mention that I actually trained Navy SEALS?

Well, I did.

I think that, generally, the Navy Dolphins listened a little better, but the Seals were pretty tough. Especially the Elephant Seals. Those noses are deadly.

:rolleyes:

Peace--

The Dolphins have bigger brains and use more of it then the average mammal. Just ask a dolphin a question and they will laugh at you and smile and then go swimming.

Heck I wish I was that smart :) :asian:

[jwreck]

In my conversations with SEALs, Rangers and others about their hand to hand training, the most common response I've gotten was 'I train at (insert local dojo/dojang).'
The answer I usually get is "I'm an expert in ching-ching-pow!" :D

[Seig]

Um, how many "number 1 in the world , new secret, deadliest, easy to learn, I trained organizations that don't exist" arts can there be? So far, we have seen two in this thread alone.

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by akja
You know I see the same things you see. And all goes as planned I too (HOPEFULLY) will be able to go and train in Asia and Brazil.
Never trained in Brazil, or been there for that matter.

I have however been to Chile to watch some demonstrations which isn't the same I know.

[rmcrobertson]

Maybe we should organize a series of matches--you know, "The Obviously Lousy Martial Arts Thunderdome," (OLMAT), kind of like Celebrity Deathmatch.

Here's my first card:

Tae-Bo vs. CardioLethalo
Chi Kung vs. Ashida Kim
Choki Motubo vs. Count Dante
Gymkata vs. Jean-Claude van Damme

[tonbo]

I'd watch out for those narwals...

I have some blade work on my MA resume. If those suckers even *try* to attack me on land, they are mine. In the water, well, I would be pretty much resorting to "harpoon-fu".


The Dolphins have bigger brains and use more of it then the average mammal. Jsut ask a dolphin a question and they will laugh at you and smile and then go swimming.

I fully agree. Those guys are pretty darn intelligent. I mean, you haven't seen *them* arguing over who's style is better, or who's belt color means they are the coolest, have you?

Oh. Yeah. I forgot. No opposable thumbs. Can't tie a belt.

Well, you know what I mean.

:D :asian:

Peace--

[MJS]

Originally posted by jwreck
The answer I usually get is "I'm an expert in ching-ching-pow!" :D

I've had people say that to me also. I say to them, "Do you have your gun with you right now?" The response is the same...No...well, what good is it going to do you if you don't have it with you.

Mike

[superdave]

Originally posted by rmcrobertson
Maybe we should organize a series of matches--you know, "The Obviously Lousy Martial Arts Thunderdome," (OLMAT), kind of like Celebrity Deathmatch.

Here's my first card:

Tae-Bo vs. CardioLethalo
Chi Kung vs. Ashida Kim
Choki Motubo vs. Count Dante
Gymkata vs. Jean-Claude van Damme


Gymkata:rofl: I forgot about that one!
What a corny movie. I bet Van Dammit would get his ass kicked!

[jwreck]

Originally posted by MJS
I've had people say that to me also. I say to them, "Do you have your gun with you right now?" The response is the same...No...well, what good is it going to do you if you don't have it with you.

Mike well, since we're talking about military personnel, whose job is to engage in armed combat, ... the point is that they spend more time in realistic training, as in training with firearms, because that's their job. Not squaring off with some bozo to witness the awesome power of his new ma style...

[OULobo]

Originally posted by MJS
I've had people say that to me also. I say to them, "Do you have your gun with you right now?" The response is the same...No...well, what good is it going to do you if you don't have it with you.

Mike

Gotta be careful here. In some states they'll say yes! Of course if that is the case, it may not even get that far, you might already be leakin like a sieve. A ton of parinoid people carry guns legal or not, and these are the same people that start the fights.:2pistols: My ninja style never got to the catch bullets with my teeth stage of training. :ninja:

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by jwreck
well, since we're talking about military personnel, whose job is to engage in armed combat, ... the point is that they spend more time in realistic training, as in training with firearms, because that's their job. Not squaring off with some bozo to witness the awesome power of his new ma style...
Compared with SWAT teams, the military including the elite (Rangers, Recon, SEALs, SF, Airborne Rangers, etc.) don't do as much training with firearms. SWAT, they practice firearm tactics almost every single day. The elite forces do a lot of other training. If there was a hostage situation, I would rather have the FBI SWAT deal with it than even the counter-terrorist group Delta Force... Well, jurisdiction rules play a huge role but... Military CT groups train in other aspects as well. However, if I wanted to capture an airfield, I would choose the Rangers over SWAT anyday. If someone needs to relay information and get in and get out, then there are other groups that specialize in it such as the Marine Recon and the Rangers and SEALs get some training in it too. Each elite military force go over the same basics, but each have their own unique attributes. However, just tactically speaking as in raiding and such, SWAT teams score higher than everyone else. Of course, this is VERY general. Most of the records for sniping and range shooting are held by military personnel.

There was a TV program that I've seen, where they had the best groups of each competing against each other. SWAT won, but only because the whole competition was on their own turf. A very limited but entertaining competition nonetheless.

[jwreck]

You're absolutely right. My point wasn't that they spend their time training with firearms over martial arts, my point was that of the two, they spend much more time with a rifle in their hands than practicing hand to hand. Blame it on Hollywood I guess, but people have this idea that SF guys are all martial artists. The truth of the matter is that most of those guys have a very limited understanding of the MA. (I am speaking mostly about Army Special Forces and Rangers, as that's whom I've had the most experience with). The truth of the matter is those guys don't have time to train effectively in MA. They're constantly running around the world doing relevant training to their mission.

[MJS]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by OULobo
Gotta be careful here. In some states they'll say yes! Of course if that is the case, it may not even get that far, you might already be leakin like a sieve. A ton of parinoid people carry guns legal or not, and these are the same people that start the fights.:2pistols: My ninja style never got to the catch bullets with my teeth stage of training. :ninja: [/QU

Very true! And like a knife disarm, where you always run the risk of getting cut, with a gun you can get shot. However, I'm not going ot stand there while he reaches to get the gun. That would be like waiting until the punch is almost connected with your face before you block. I would definately do my best to attempt a disarm. I also look at it like this. If the guy is going to pull a knife or gun and use it on me, then he better plan on killing me with it, otherwise he'll wish that he had!

Mike

[MartialArtist]

The last MAJOR case where hand-to-hand combat was used was with the South Korean Marines during Vietnam. First it was a battle with firearms, but then they ran out of ammo and had to engage in hand-to-hand combat.

[MartialArtist]

Found a quick website

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/South_Korea/Default2.html

[jwreck]

Cool link.

[grimfang]

heres another wonderfull display of capitalism in action

http://www.auusoma.com/about.html

a good look at the class schedule says it all, i think.

:shrug:

[OULobo]

Originally posted by MJS
[QUOTE]Originally posted by OULobo
Gotta be careful here. In some states they'll say yes! Of course if that is the case, it may not even get that far, you might already be leakin like a sieve. A ton of parinoid people carry guns legal or not, and these are the same people that start the fights.:2pistols: My ninja style never got to the catch bullets with my teeth stage of training. :ninja: [/QU

Very true! And like a knife disarm, where you always run the risk of getting cut, with a gun you can get shot. However, I'm not going ot stand there while he reaches to get the gun. That would be like waiting until the punch is almost connected with your face before you block. I would definately do my best to attempt a disarm. I also look at it like this. If the guy is going to pull a knife or gun and use it on me, then he better plan on killing me with it, otherwise he'll wish that he had!

Mike

I agree. I think I would try to stuff the draw or redirect the barrel. I read a thread on this site about active gun jamming techniques, and while I think some of them would work, I think it would be to chaotic to try these. Anything is better than taking a round in the back while running from the guy. Still I think people underestimate the shock effect of getting cut or shot. When the body gets heavily injured in a short period of time it has a tendancy to change your thinking for you.

It reminds me of when a beginner who has never taken a good ringer shot to the head in a full contact match gets his first and they have that epiphany that makes them try to reevaluate the situation on a new level if they can fast enough.

[ace]

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