Greatest kicking art

[andurilking2]

Im looking for an excellent percussive style art that has a primary focus on kicking, any good suggestions? Prefferably empty handed and not tkd.

[Damian Mavis]

Hmm that's kind of like wanting to take an all punching art but not wanting to take boxing. I would visit a bunch of TKD schools and see if any of them train seriously before making that decision because there is no other art that concentrates so much of it's training time on learning how to kick from many different angles of attack. Or you could join for a year and then move on once you get a grasp of the basics of all the kicks. Lots of arts do some kicking, but none of them concentrate on it to the extent TKD does.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[KanoLives]

How about Tang Soo Do.


:asian:

[andurilking2]

well i heard alot about muai thai concentrating primarily on kicking but i am not sure i have never actually seen a muai thai class, if anyone knows anything about it please lemme know

Hmm that's kind of like wanting to take an all punching art but not wanting to take boxing. I would visit a bunch of TKD schools and see if any of them train seriously before making that decision because there is no other art that concentrates so much of it's training time on learning how to kick from many different angles of attack. Or you could join for a year and then move on once you get a grasp of the basics of all the kicks. Lots of arts do some kicking, but none of them concentrate on it to the extent TKD does.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD
unfortunately your probably right but i am really trying to avoid tkd

[andurilking2]

i heard that it is very very much like tkd is that true?

[Nightingale]

from what I've heard, TKD and TSD are two twigs on the same branch of the Korean MA tree, but I'm not certain, as my experience with TSD has been fairly limited, and I only had 2 years of TKD.

My personal preference is for arts that encourage your feet to stay on the ground, but I've heard good things about Muay Thai

[andurilking2]

thats pretty much the same impression i got from tsd and tkd.

[streetwise]

Mi Zhong, Lost Track style from Northern Shaolin.

[andurilking2]

any web page or something i could go to for info on that?

streetwise Mi Zhong, Lost Track style from Northern Shaolin

[Turner]

Savate, if you can find an instructor.

[andurilking2]

that is the name of the martial art?

[Disco]

That's French foot fighting.

[tshadowchaser]

not to seem impersonal about this but it really depends on what is iny our immedeate travel area. If you can't get to it it really dose not matter how goodit is you can't train in it.
The two befor mentioned arts and Savate are good choices as well as the brizialian foot fighting art (do not ask me to spell it )

[MartialArtist]

I think your foolish to judge an art. Why not TKD? Is it the style or the schools that you don't like? :shrug:

[gravity]

perhaps the Brazilian art of Capoeira......

[soccer50]

Muay Thai is very simple art that focusses on power. Muay Thai ppl have the strongest kick I've seen.

TKD has bunch of kicks. The look cool too. TKD ppl have fastest kick ive seen

[Marginal]

Oh no. Now will come the "I've seen fast MT kicks" and the "I've felt hard TKD kicks" people.

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by Marginal
Oh no. Now will come the "I've seen fast MT kicks" and the "I've felt hard TKD kicks" people.
Is it not true? ;)

[spook mma]

Originally posted by andurilking2
well i heard alot about muai thai concentrating primarily on kicking but i am not sure i have never actually seen a muai thai class, if anyone knows anything about it please lemme know


if your goal is to learn a variety of kicks, then you will be sorely disappointed in muay thai. muay thai relies on a small number (3?) of simple kicks that can be used at different heights ranges.



unfortunately your probably right but i am really trying to avoid tkd

IMO thai kicks are something that you can learn quickly and continue to practice on your own. there is no 'need' to take up muay thai as an art if the only thing that you desire is to learn 'the kick' (thai roundhouse). as was implied earlier, TKD is to kicking what boxing is to punching.

btw, i second the savate option.

[dearnis.com]

If you want to study a kicking art great. But select you school based on the ability of the instructor(s) to teach you and to apply the techniques, not the art they do.
(BTW if the instructor can do all kinds of wild kicks, but the students can't...you might want to question his ability to teach you.)

[Marginal]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
Is it not true? ;)

It's true to a point IMO. For example, I've taken back piercing kicks that bruised my hip despite a kicking pad being in the way... However, the broad, general focus of a MT kick is power and a TKD kick is speed. Both can generate speed and power, but I don't beleive it's innately wrong to say that a MT kick is is designed to be powerful and a TKD kick is designed to be fast. It's merely an oversimplifiation.

In other words, both speed and power ultimately depend on the pracititioner, but the doctrinal core remains.

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by Marginal
It's true to a point IMO. For example, I've taken back piercing kicks that bruised my hip despite a kicking pad being in the way... However, the broad, general focus of a MT kick is power and a TKD kick is speed. Both can generate speed and power, but I don't beleive it's innately wrong to say that a MT kick is is designed to be powerful and a TKD kick is designed to be fast. It's merely an oversimplifiation.

In other words, both speed and power ultimately depend on the pracititioner, but the doctrinal core remains.
I wouldn't say that, but there is some truth in it.

I would change that statement to say that the techniques, and not the art were developed for either power or speed. For instance, TKD does have the round kick, the very same kick in muay thai. It is taught alongside the roundhouse kick. It's that the sport version got rid of it since power isn't crucial for tag sparring. But then again, muay thai also teaches a lot of TKD-style kicks. Some places here might get arrogant saying there is nothing from to get from TKD, but just have a talk with the pros. I've talked to one MT pro ring fighter, so my experience is limited. I haven't stayed in Thailand longer than a month at a time, and most of it wasn't spent on MT training. However, Damian Mavis went from his experience was that the trainers in Thailand didn't curse out the TKD kicks at all. I've seen a couple of fights where the person did a TKD roundhouse with his lead leg at head level for the KO or at least a hard hit to the noggin.

[Zepp]

Originally posted by nightingale8472
from what I've heard, TKD and TSD are two twigs on the same branch of the Korean MA tree, but I'm not certain, as my experience with TSD has been fairly limited, and I only had 2 years of TKD.

That's actually a good way of putting it. TSD is very similar to the more combative styles of TKD you may find.

andurilking, I have to agree with MartialArtist here. If kicking is what you want, you should look around for a combat-oriented instructor of TKD. Failing that, you may want to look at some karate schools.

Capoeira? Now that's an interesting suggestion. It may also be worth looking into.

[Marginal]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
I wouldn't say that, but there is some truth in it.

I would change that statement to say that the techniques, and not the art were developed for either power or speed.

Works for me.


However, Damian Mavis went from his experience was that the trainers in Thailand didn't curse out the TKD kicks at all. I've seen a couple of fights where the person did a TKD roundhouse with his lead leg at head level for the KO or at least a hard hit to the noggin.

Yep. In fact....

http://www.davidlane.dsl.pipex.com/kickbomatch2.wmv

Not Mr. Mavis, but a kickboxer vs an ex ITF BB by the name of Stuart Anslow. TKD kicks don't look especially useless there. ;)

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by Marginal
Works for me.



Yep. In fact....

http://www.davidlane.dsl.pipex.com/kickbomatch2.wmv

Not Mr. Mavis, but a kickboxer vs an ex ITF BB by the name of Stuart Anslow. TKD kicks don't look especially useless there. ;)
Looks more like sport than combat TKD... Not what I'll call a fight fight, but still entertaining to watch. Analog to digital transfer?

[andurilking2]

Yep. In fact....

http://www.davidlane.dsl.pipex.com/kickbomatch2.wmv

Not Mr. Mavis, but a kickboxer vs an ex ITF BB by the name of Stuart Anslow. TKD kicks don't look especially useless there.
horrible fight, these are the reasons why i am trying to avoid tkd i have had some very bad experiences with tkd in the past.

[JTA]

Originally posted by Marginal

Not Mr. Mavis, but a kickboxer vs an ex ITF BB by the name of Stuart Anslow. TKD kicks don't look especially useless there. ;)

Sure, TKD kicks aren't useless if your opponet only uses kicks. But how many people are going to get into a kick fest with you?

[Marginal]

Dunno what brand of TKD you've seen, but It's kinda hard to apply your assertion against the fact I have to dodge/block/parry punches every sparring session as well. It's more a matter of application and not being a screaming retard with the kicks you do use.

I mean, I've seen JKD guys in MMA events try to open with jumping sidekicks. They got jammed and slammed to the mat in one breath, but I don't assume all JKD kicking techniques are impractical just because those practitioners were stupid..

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by JTA
Sure, TKD kicks aren't useless if your opponet only uses kicks. But how many people are going to get into a kick fest with you?
:rolleyes:

[Shinzu]

i do not have much experience with TKD, but TSD is very similar to japanese shotokan. there is a lot of kicking techniques in TSD.

i like it.

[arnisador]

Savate (La Boxe Francais, Chausson (http://www.guychase.com/p4.html)); kikcboxing more generally; Capoeira; Sikaran (www.sikaran.net); any of a number of Korean styles; and some Northern Chinese styles.

[Venos-KSW]

Anyone mention Taekyyon (sp?). Is it even available in the US?

[Zepp]

Originally posted by Venos-KSW
Anyone mention Taekyyon (sp?). Is it even available in the US?

I've read that Taekyon is making a come back in Korea, but I'd be really surprised to find it in the US. I think it's usually thought of less as a martial art, and more of as a game.

[arnisador]

See also this thread (http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=827).