Charged up attacks or "power increases"

[andurilking2]

Anyone heard of an art that deals with bringing as much anger out of yourself as you can and then distributing it throughout your body (or in charged up attacks to one specific part such as a fist)that results in an instant and dramatic increase in power?

[Jay Bell]

No.

[KenpoDragon]

Why do you have 2 threads about the same thing???? Isn't one enough????

:confused: :asian:

[Damian Mavis]

Isn't that a move from the video game DragonballZ?

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Jill666]

And no. Focusing your energy, developing your chi, yes.

[streetwise]

sounds kind of unhealthy, both mentally and physically.

[andurilking2]

no, it's not a move from dragon ball z it's real
and it's not chi either it focuses on absolute anger rather than ones self (i PERSONALLy find it more effective but i have also advanced further this way than in chi studies)
and im not sure how healthy it is it is very very exhausting and it causes your blood pressure to raise tremendously (i did a power increase in one of those machines in the pharmecy and the digital reader flipped)

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by andurilking2
Anyone heard of an art that deals with bringing as much anger out of yourself as you can and then distributing it throughout your body (or in charged up attacks to one specific part such as a fist)that results in an instant and dramatic increase in power?

Since it seems pretty clear to me that nobody out of the thousands of members here have any idea of what your talking about, it might be good for you to explain.

I don't care how long the post is, but I think that we need an in depth explaination about everything you "know". This would include exactly who you trained with, where he came from, the country/origin of your art, how long you have been training, exactly what you do to train in your art, what have the results been from your training, how many other students trained with your teacher, and etc. etc. etc. etc.

No offense, but what you have said so far sounds pretty far out there. If you expect anyone to take you seriously, I ask that you lay ALL the info. on the table so that we will at least have some sort of idea as to what you are talking about.

Again, please don't take offense. We just need more info, that's all.

THX

PAUL :asian:

[Touch Of Death]

Call me an ameture but I like to fall into my strikes. Even Eazy-E had the rap lyric "I start droppin the dogs..." The method you describe sounds very stressfull and energy consuming. Relax because the fight might take more than one or two shots.

[Bob Hubbard]

There was another thread on this but I threw it out as it got ridiculous.

andurilking2 - Post everything you can think of and maybe, just maybe it'll get someones attention.


Given the -limited- info that I have on Indian culture, I find it plausable. But I simply do not have enough hard info.

Afterall, if we believe in Chi, and focus, and 'God', and ESP, etc, how is this much more of a reach?

I dont know much about anything...I do know that when I focus my thoughts in a certain way, sometimes, my hands feel warmer. Is that chi or my imagination? I dunno.

More info....

[7starmantis]

I think people mistakenly associate chi to: God, Satan, Magic, mysticsm, wholistic practices, weirdos, and freaks.


7sm

[Cruentus]

Afterall, if we believe in Chi, and focus, and 'God', and ESP, etc, how is this much more of a reach?


I agree....anything is possible. However, before anyone can make a judgement, we need all the info.

So far the information has been so limited, it would be like me starting a thread and saying "today I was in a seated position without my feet touching the ground, and I was moving foward at 65 miles per hour. Has anybody heard of this before?" Nobody would know what I was talking about, but if I explained further people would soon figure out that I was driving in a car.

So, I am not making any assumptions until I get more info, meaning anderlinking2 needs to give us quite a bit more info. And until this happends, there isn't much any of us can say regarding the matter.

:asian:

[andurilking2]

what i told you is about all you would need to know if you knew much about my art, but ill specify some things.
My master's name was
Grand Master Orin (real name Dave)
another student of his is
Gaurdian Metso Paulo (real name Gino)
the country of origin i have no idea it is a rather unorthadox artform and is very unique to the trainer and the trainee but the "power increases and charged up attacks" seem to be the one staple to all of the practitioners i have ever met.

as for accomplishing a "power increase" or "charged up attack"
it consists of pretty much what i said which is a sort of meditation that involves focusing on nothing but events or in most cases people that cause one anger, then becoming so enraged that you literally cause your heart to beat faster and cause a sort of mental focus on this anger and then "distribute it" mentally throughout your whole body. The result is not as far out as one would think, the elevated heart rate and focus result in the same sort of feeling as a very amplified "adrenaline rush" but it can be sustained for a longer period of time (i am in the very early stages of this practice and my longest "power increase" i can hold for about 4 and a half minutes)

[Elfan]

yes... HYE-DO-KEN
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Actaully, do you find val salva and other techniques that drasticaly spike abdominal and blood presure helpful in some way while punching? I'm asuming thats what you are talking about.

[TLH3rdDan]

ok so there are no striking or grappling techniques? it just consists of concentrating your anger into a strike? also is there a ranking structure since there is a grand master are there other levels of rank as well? why do they use assumed names such as orin and mesto paulo? is it to add mystery to the art and themselves or do they have some sort of meaning in the art? if there are techniques such as strikes or grappling do you also have forms? do you study weaponry of any kind?

[andurilking2]

no no weapons and no actual ranking systems the tittles were those that were granted by the nmaa and are official titles earned in a tournament of others competing for the same title,
and yes there are attacks as well, but that again is unique to who is teaching and who is learning

[TLH3rdDan]

what is the NMAA? and where are these tournaments held id kinda like to see that... so exactly what would a guardian do? all martial arts at some point become unique to the person practicing it but at the begining level i would think that there would be at least a handfull of basic universal techniques that anyone could learn in order to build upon for the "unique" techniques... of course i could be wrong... so are there uniforms? what are the rules in these tournaments?

[Elfan]

Originally posted by Elfan
val salva

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8214

[andurilking2]

the nmaa is the national martial arts association and their are roughly 800 titles that can be competed for "grand master" being the highest and then in succesion "master" after that it depends on what you would like and the desirability of the title.

Yes basic moves start out exactly that basic, jab, uppercut, hook, crossover, knifehand, roundhouse kick, jumping front kick, side kick, sweep, ect ect ect continueing with blocks and some grappling skills (very few) as the martial art tends to be more percussive. though most "teachers" tend to name the moves to some significant meaning of their own,
example: Metso Paulo calls a sidekick a "prizzio kick" and a jumping front kick a "wind kick" and he teaches each of his students the significance of the names of those.
He developed his own forms called
Vega-an offensive form
aSpica-a speed centered form
akrux-a defensive form
metso paulo-all of the above and some uniqueness of his own
wizdominic finale-all of the above + alot of mentality and intimidation
Therasinion force- a foolishly offensive form that is fairly devestating
and finaly Higher Metso Paulo- this is his own he never teaches this to anyone but incorporates his whole art.

[andurilking2]

thanx but that's not quite what im talking about, that article is real interesting though and i'm looking forward to looking into it more. again thanx

[TLH3rdDan]

http://www.nationalmartialarts.com/ is this the NMAA you are reffering to? ok so im assuming you know quite abit about metso paulo... what do those names mean?

[Damian Mavis]

I'm sorry but this is such a bunch of hooey.... made his own forms? Named them after himself? Renames kicks after himself or mystical names? People get bizarre titles? Isn't this the kind of stuff all of you are chomping at the bit to expose? Why the sudden politically correct attitude of the forum? Maybe we should just call these people martial arts reality impaired? Hey if I'm way out of line tell me, I just think catering to this ridiculousness is bizarre.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[TLH3rdDan]

i already tried that one damian and got jumped for personal attacks so im just trying to be a nice polite person and simply ask questions although you must admit it is quite entertaining...

its also been two days and i still havent heard back from him on my last couple of questions...

[chufeng]

I've posted less than usual because of the "dramatic" change in the board...I'm talking about the post survey change...the one where people get slapped down for questioning others...

I think some folks have a "tattle" button on their desk-top and as soon as they feel uncomfortable they run to the mods with a complaint...being true to the new policy enforcement, they immediately send PM to you and tell you to play nice...so bullshidoists everywhere are safe and "feel good" about the friendly community they've found here.

Whatever:rolleyes:

I'll be expecting some PM today regarding this very post.

:asian:
chufeng

[Bob Hubbard]

Actually, I tend to agree with you.
The funny thing is though, having given a careful look at the last 50 reports, its been the same 3 people reporting the same issue, over and over and over again. I won't mention who the top nitpick tattler is, but its very interesting.

As to the change in tone as of late, we agree, its changed. Too many people with narrow perspectives screaming fraud and harrassment loudly and everywhere they go it seems. Too many people just looking for attention. As this board has grown, we've gotten our share of the nutcases. As most of the time the few major PITA have chosen to ignore us, rather than boot em, I've just been letting them go. I figure, they have little respect for me, less for my staff, obviously even less for themselves. So, go make the public aware of it. There are many folks who have gone down in my, and many others estimations due to how they have behaved themselves as of late.

Of course, a few of those that ***** the loudest about others, also seem to believe that its their way or its crap. You hear about 'if this was my board', but....its not. You hear 'if it was my school'..but, its not. Opinions are like buttholes...everyone has em.

Now, as to this particular thread... Who knows. Troll, deluded teen, newbie or honest but different. -I- can't make the determination based on a few posts, yet others jumped all over him with refs to cartoons and movies. Because what he asked was too 'foriegn' to their concepts. I say, empty your cup and take an open mind. Then, we can find the truths. This board used to have a much emptier cup...now it seems, too many people are 'full'.

and I start to wonder....

[TLH3rdDan]

well kaith its called the domino effect... its begining to happen where i work and seems to be happening here... example: two or three people say hey so and so is harrassing me... you go and see the thread in question and yes that person is breaking rules and is harrassing so you warn them or boot them since there were so many complaints... and since im assuming you keep those complaints confidental between you and the other mods and possibly the complaintants dont even know there was more than one complaint... you get one of them who seems to think that they did it that you responded to them solely so that person decides to try the same thing again only this time its with someone who they disagree with or just dont like... and it keeps going and going... but then thats just my opinion...

[Bob Hubbard]

Thats a good sumation. We don't make a big public execution thing when we boot someone. We often do get multiple reports, and usually send back a terse 'we will look into it' message to acknowledge we did get the report. At least 80% of our warnings are sent by email or PM, with often times a generic message placed in the thread.

We believe its more professional and friendly that way. After all, if you did something wrong, would you want your instructor to publically discipline you, or take you on the side and settle it quietly? I'd prefer the 2nd myself, and it is that standard that we use.

The trade off is that tattletale #1 doesn't see anything so he sends in 20+ more reports...many of them of the "WHEN ARE YOU SOBS GOING TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!" type. Yes, call us names and tell us our job...then..when ya get a 'vacation' whine to everyone everywhere how unfair we are to you. Have 5 of them then get on our case over how 'great' a guy you are, and etc etc etc. This has happened repeatedly when certain individuals have been disciplined for their breaking our rules. In one case, I got a nice phone call about 'all that so-n-so has done for you and MT". Yup....was appreciated...doesn't put them above the rules. (Note 'You' here is generic, and not addressed directly)

Hell..I got 4 warnings this week for my posts...3 from the 'reparations' thread, and 1 from the 'fma mcdojo' thread. Someone will say 'we didnt know that'...and, purhaps in the 1 case, it should have been made public. But, thats a call the one issuing the warnings made.

We are open to positive feedback on ways to improve this site...for everyone, not just any small group.
:asian:

[andurilking2]

I'm sorry but this is such a bunch of hooey.... made his own forms? Named them after himself?

Why is it impossible for someone to create their own "forms"?
Someone ultimately created every form that has ever been used and named it. These are his own personal forms and he named them out of convinience (instead of reffering to "that one that starts with a low back kick then moves into that blockk seriece etc etc etc"). As for the kicks and renaming them, the artform is again as i said untraditional and instead of using terms specific to one artform or generic ones he again used his own for reference. I did not create this thread to defend the viability of my arts i created it to discuss a specific portion of the internal arts aspect and i would appreciate it if you have a problem to pm me or better look me up and ill show you how my artform faires against whatever you have in your arsenal.

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by andurilking2
I'm sorry but this is such a bunch of hooey.... made his own forms? Named them after himself?

Why is it impossible for someone to create their own "forms"?
Someone ultimately created every form that has ever been used and named it. These are his own personal forms and he named them out of convinience (instead of reffering to "that one that starts with a low back kick then moves into that blockk seriece etc etc etc"). As for the kicks and renaming them, the artform is again as i said untraditional and instead of using terms specific to one artform or generic ones he again used his own for reference. I did not create this thread to defend the viability of my arts i created it to discuss a specific portion of the internal arts aspect and i would appreciate it if you have a problem to pm me or better look me up and ill show you how my artform faires against whatever you have in your arsenal.
I don't think that was what Damian was talking about. More so on the ridiculous forms that are only made to make things look good or to be new or some crazy idea of the founder.

Most of the "new" forms are just random moves that take bits and pieces of forms and pastes them together and viola.

The "artsy" kicks serve no purpose whatsoever. They can't be used for combat, they don't help indirectly for combat, they don't do anything. Just something to make it look new and "mystical". The forms include moves such as charging up your ki and acting like you're throwing a fireball like in those video games.

[Zepp]

I don't know about you guys, but I think this whole thread is much more entertaining than it would be if we let it devolve into a barbecue. :flame:

andurilking2,
Is there anything else you could share with us about your training? Such as, how did you meet your master, how long did you train with him for (maybe how much did he charge you?), what other martial arts have you trained in? It might do a little to establish credibility with us. (Right now, you don't seem to have too much.)

[zen_hydra]

It sounds to me to vaguely resemble the antics of the Norse berserkers. Certainly, one would doubt any actual lineage to such, but perhaps they are trying to emulate the berserker rage. Here is a quote from an UCLA source.

"Berserkers, so prominent in Hrolf's Saga, are the remnants in Christian times of older stories. In pre-Christian Scandinavia, berserkers seem to have been members of cults connected with Odin in his capacity as god of warriors. Snorri Sturluson in Ynglinga Saga, recalling numerous elements of ancient lore, describes Odin's warriors in this way:


'His men went to battle without armor and acted like mad dogs or wolves. They bit into their shields and were as strong as bears or bulls. They killed men, but neither fire nor iron harmed them. This madness is called berserker-fury.'

The berserkers of the saga, who often appear as the core of the king's warband, are at times reminiscent of the retinue of warriors surrounding Odin and may ultimately derive from ancient bear cults. Debate has centered on the meaning of the word itself. Berserker could mean "bare shirt," that is, naked; berserkers, as a mark of ferocity and invincibility, are said to have fought without needing armor. The word, however, may also mean "bear-shirt," reflective of the shape and nature of the bear assumed by these warriors. More literally, it may refer to protective bearskins that such warriors may have worn into battle. When the "berserker rage" was upon him, a berserker was thought of as a sort of "were-bear" (or werewolf), part man, part beast, who was neither fully human nor fully animal. Although not specifically so called, Bodvar Bjarki is a berserker of sorts. He appears at Hrolf's final battle in the form of a huge bear, invulnerable to weapons. In both his invulnerability and his ability to change shape, Bodvar also displays preternatural abilities resembling those of Odinic champions."

http://www.viking.ucla.edu/hrolf/berserkers.html

[andurilking2]

my master i met through Metso Paulo's parents, Gino's(Metso Paulo) grandfather owns a limo service and Dave was one of his clientell, the two became good friends and when he introduce dave to Gino and me we started talking about martial arts, we begged him to train us and that's about it, he did it for free and i trained with him for about 2 and a half years (metso Paulo slightly less) personally. Other martial arts i have "studied" are kenpo and hapkido (not officially i have only "self-learned" through internet sites, books and students. but i dont consider myself an actual student as i have not had any real training.)

[Cruentus]

Thanks for posting a bit more info about your system. This allows me to actually give some insight on the matter.

The problem with a lot of rare martial arts is that they lack credability. In order for a martial art to have any credability, it has to have been combat tested at some point. The traditional martial arts have a level of credability because you can trace back most traditional arts to a time where it was actually used by real people in real battles. MMA have a level of credability because they use their mma to actually fight, even if it is tournament style fighting. Neo-combative martial arts have credability because modern day soldiers use these systems as part of their "survival kit" on the battle feild.

Now, contemporary people may take martial arts for reasons other then combat; health, stress relief, etc. There is nothing wrong with this. However, the for the system to be credable as a martial art, it has to have been somehow combat tested, even if the practitioners aren't studing the art to use it in combat today.

The problem with the art you describe is that there is no history or origin to lend a referance point to back up your claims. Without this history as a point of referance, there is no way for anyone, including yourself, to seperate your art that you believe is legit from another made-up, bullcrap art. The fact that your instructors didn't "concern themselves" with the history of your art, and that they made up forms, titles, and techniques is not something that is impressive; rather this is something that should be a major point of concern for you. Without any historicle point of referance, how do you know that you weren't being scammed into believing that an illegitamite art is legitamite? You don't, unfortunatily. Emotion is no indicator. How you "feel" or what seems real to you is not credable. People who join religious cults, for instance, "feel" like they are doing the right thing. Everything they see and experience will seem very real to them, yet it is nothing but a false reality. Please do not take offence to this comparison, for I am just trying to state the truth, and I am not trying to offend.

I think that you know that origin can = legitamicy already, and that is why you are trying to find the origin of the art you learned. This is commendable, and good luck with your search. However, be careful not to get caught up in "false" points of credability, or credability traps. Here are some examples of credability traps that people get caught in:

"I once saw master so-and-so perform this amazing feat, or beat up 10 people, or [fill in the blank with whatever], so that was when I knew I had to learn this art."

Your own experiences is not proof of anything. Even if you are being honest, your experiences are subject to error or deception. So to others, this doesn't lend credability.

"When I study this art, I feel the power of my technique"

How you feel is not proof of anything. Just like experience, your feelings are subject to error. When I was 4 yrs old, I used to pretend that I was the incredable hulk, and believe me, I felt like I could lift anything. Just because I felt this way at age 4, this doesn't mean that my feelings were a reality.

"The Norse berserkers did this "thing". My teacher was American/european. The descriptions of the norse beserker "thing" is the same description I was given for the "thing" I do in my art. Therefore, my art MUST trace back to the norse berserkers."

One does not = the other. You can't just assume that an art traces to an origin because the descriptions are similar. This is not enough evidence to prove that your art traces back to that culture. There has to be some sort of imperical method of tracing your art to a specific origin, such as : "so and so learned from so and so who was the teacher of so and so and blahblah bla, who was a norse warrior." Something like that, but you get the idea, I'm sure. There has to be a more imperical method of tracing an origin other then just connecting coincidences.

"The Shaolin monks have been noted for doing this, so why is it so hard to believe that my art does this similar thing."

Just because another credible source does something that you say is similar to what you do, this doesn't make what you do credible. First of all it's only hersay. Secondly, if there is no real connection between your art and that other source, then one cannot validate the other.

"I learned from master blah who trained with the mysterious master so-and-so. It was rumored that master so-and-so learned from an ancient tribe of people hidden in siberia, and then meditated in a cave for 10 years. Upon leaving the cave he decided to teach the world of his discoveries. This is what we believe, but master so-and-so is so mysterious, that none of us know his true origin."

The man of mystery claim doesn't lend credability either. If the buck stops at one person with a mystery background with no real evidence to back up this mystery background, then there is no real evidence that this art is credable, either.


These are just some credability traps to look for. Don't allow yourself to get caught in these. Also, don't get too emotionally involved. If you find the origin of your art, then great! If you find that you have been lied too or decieved, then this is too bad, but it is better to admit it and move on to something credible, then to try to defend something that you know isn't real.

Good luck with your search on trying to find some history behind your art. I'm sorry that I couldn't be more of a help then this. If you uncover anything in your search, please let us all know. I hope that you are able to find legitamicy in your art. If you aren't, then I just hope that you don't remain attached to something that has no legitamicy.

Peace,
PAUL
:asian:

[andurilking2]

i can trace my martial art form back about 20 generations and i know that it continued long before that unfortuanately (since all the practitioners 20 generations ago are dead) i cant prove that it has been around for 1000's of years, i can prove that it has been around for about 300 years and it has been proven and tested in tournament and real life situations. And again the titles are not made up they are just universal generic titles for the sake of having a ranking system as the form does not use "belts" as in tae kwon do.

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by andurilking2
i can trace my martial art form back about 20 generations and i know that it continued long before that unfortuanately (since all the practitioners 20 generations ago are dead) i cant prove that it has been around for 1000's of years, i can prove that it has been around for about 300 years and it has been proven and tested in tournament and real life situations. And again the titles are not made up they are just universal generic titles for the sake of having a ranking system as the form does not use "belts" as in tae kwon do.

How can you trace it back so far when you have been searching for the name of your system?

[Zepp]

[B] can trace my martial art form back about 20 generations and i know that it continued long before that unfortuanately (since all the practitioners 20 generations ago are dead) i cant prove that it has been around for 1000's of years, i can prove that it has been around for about 300 years and it has been proven and tested in tournament and real life situations. And again the titles are not made up they are just universal generic titles for the sake of having a ranking system as the form does not use "belts" as in tae kwon do. [B]

If you can prove that your art is at least 300 years old, could you please prove it to us? What are the records you're using for a source of information?

[Damian Mavis]

"How can you trace it back so far when you have been searching for the name of your system?"

Heh

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Zepp]

Look Damien, as much as this mystery art seems to sound like bullshido, its apparent that andurilking genuinely believes in it. Since he doesn't sound like he's trolling, we should get all the information about it he's willing to give. You have to admit that if you weren't at least a little curious to find out more, you would have stopped reading this thread.

To all: If you've bothered to follow this thread, then let's go all the way and find out everything we can. So what if it turns out to be total BS? If you have something better to be doing, what are you doing here on the internet writing and reading about fighting arts in the first place?

andurilking, please, if you could, let us know where your information about your art comes from. Written sources, online sources, and maybe even people we could contact would be helpful.

[andurilking2]

no i have zeroxed copies of handwritten records i recieved from my master about former master and students, i can trace the same martial arts back to my master's master's master's etc etc master. And a name has never been mentioned some of the records are actual logs on students proggress some are just names and dates.
Metso Paulo recently took on a student and added another generation (as i call them) to the record i have still to get a copy of that.

[Zepp]

Do you have anything we could see for ourselves?

[TLH3rdDan]

http://www.nationalmartialarts.com/ is this the NMAA you are reffering to? ok so im assuming you know quite abit about metso paulo... what do those names mean?

just incase you miss this the first time since you never bothered to reply to it

[Damian Mavis]

First of all I am not one of the people that usually jumps down peoples throats demanding to see proof of legitmacy or questioning ones authenticity in the martial arts, thats not me and thats not what I do. I leave that to nice people like Ryushikan. But talking about mystical techniques taken straight out of a video game and expecting people to take it seriously is expecting way too much. Couple that with the warning signs of cult like martial arts school behaviour (creating and naming patterns after oneself and renaming techniques from other martial arts with your own name AS IF YOU CREATED THEM and other arrogant behaviour) and you get a not so good impression of this mans martial art. On top of that when someone (Paul) tries to be nice - too nice - and ask calmly for more information he laughs at him and blindly states that his art is ancient etc.. when he doesn't even know his arts name and he came to a message board on the internet to find out what the heck he is actually training in!

After saying all that, I realise it doesn't really matter and I wish Andriuking the best of luck in discovering the name of his art. I found this thread amusing and felt like commenting in an amusing way but have noticed that there is a new politically correct tone to this board and I should watch what I say and that's fine, I was just unprepared for it.



Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Zepp]

Originally posted by Damian Mavis
I found this thread amusing and felt like commenting in an amusing way but have noticed that there is a new politically correct tone to this board and I should watch what I say and that's fine, I was just unprepared for it.

Don't worry about your tone. I could give a rat's ass about PCness. Especially from someone like you who is good about not being a keyboard warrior. It's just that I don't want this thread coming to an abrupt end or getting caught up in a flame war before we get to the end of the rabbit hole (so to speak).

[Cruentus]

On top of that when someone (Paul) tries to be nice - too nice - and ask calmly for more information he laughs at him and blindly states that his art is ancient etc..

Heh.....I'm being "too nice" for once. :rofl: eh....your probably right, Damian, but I'm going to keep the niceness going for awhile; at least until everyones motives are laid out on the table nicely.


no i have zeroxed copies of handwritten records i recieved from my master about former master and students, i can trace the same martial arts back to my master's master's master's etc etc master. And a name has never been mentioned some of the records are actual logs on students proggress some are just names and dates.
Metso Paulo recently took on a student and added another generation (as i call them) to the record i have still to get a copy of that.

O.K....what are the origins of these records? Who hand wrote them? Are these records public information? What kind of "records" are they? What country do they trace themselves too? How long are these records? How many students have trained in your system, approximitely? How many are currently training? How come if there is a tournament or "gathering" for people in your art (NMAA), that you can't ask one of them what the name of your art is.

Most important 2 questions:
1. How is it that you do not know the name of your system if you have these written records?
2. Could these written records have been a forgery of some kind?

Sorry for the barrade of questions. I am honestly not trying to drop the hammer on you, I am just trying to get to the bottom of this. You need to find some more info on your art, apparently, or you wouldn't have come to martialtalk asking questions about your own art. Now, in order for I or anyone else here to help you, we all need a bit more info regarding these "records." It's just that the word "records" is sort of vague.

Take your time in your reply.

Respectfully,
PAUL
:cool:

[TLH3rdDan]

perhaps he could scan the records for us to see... i know i would be interested in seeing who all has trained in this style see if its anyone i might know... also ive only found one NMAA on the web and it is a group of traditional martial arts... tae kwon do aikido varing forms of kung fu and karate... no mention of tournaments though... so andurilking since you can trace your art back at least 300 years which country did it begin in? and was there a few root arts that the art was formed from? also is this art passed on one person at a time or can it be taught to multiple people at once... it seems from your posts it is only passed from teacher to a single student and thats it... can this art be taught to anyone? do you teach this art? how can someone get ahold of someone who teachs this art to try it out?

[andurilking2]

Most important 2 questions:
1. How is it that you do not know the name of your system if you have these written records?
2. Could these written records have been a forgery of some kind?


1. as i said before no name of martial arts have been mentioned
2. yes it is possible for "some" of the records to be forge, but some of them i have witnessed being written by my master and also Metso Paulo,

there is no tournament for people in my martial arts, the tournament is a martial arts gathering in general in which masters of all kinds of martial arts (tkd kenpo etc) attend.

as for country of origin there are "recordS" from all over the two main ones are India and the scandinavian region, then eventually moved to america.

Again this is nothing out of "video games" we dont attempt to shoot crap out of our hands (only our asses :)

:D
it is more of a focus thing.

and the moves are made to be generic to prove that the art is not a "generic art" it shows that it is a conglomeration and does not use (front right snap kick from "tae kwon do" instead of a prism kick from "kenji do")

"this is getting really gay, since i have signed up i have spent the whoe time defending against invalides ignorant interpretations of my art, i ask a question (a simple question) and instead of people answering they post berations on my thread"

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by andurilking2
Most important 2 questions:
1. How is it that you do not know the name of your system if you have these written records?
2. Could these written records have been a forgery of some kind?


1. 1. as i said before no name of martial arts have been mentioned
2. yes it is possible for "some" of the records to be forge, but some of them i have witnessed being written by my master and also Metso Paulo,

2. there is no tournament for people in my martial arts, the tournament is a martial arts gathering in general in which masters of all kinds of martial arts (tkd kenpo etc) attend.

3. as for country of origin there are "recordS" from all over the two main ones are India and the scandinavian region, then eventually moved to america.

4. Again this is nothing out of "video games" we dont attempt to shoot crap out of our hands (only our asses :)

:D
it is more of a focus thing.

and the moves are made to be generic to prove that the art is not a "generic art" it shows that it is a conglomeration and does not use (front right snap kick from "tae kwon do" instead of a prism kick from "kenji do")

5. "this is getting really gay, since i have signed up i have spent the whoe time defending against invalides ignorant interpretations of my art, i ask a question (a simple question) and instead of people answering they post berations on my thread"

I don't have a lot of time, so lets do this by the #'s. The #'s below correspond to the #'s above.

1. The records issue is still very confusing to me. You said that you witnessed your teacher writing these records himself, but that is sort of circular in terms of credability. What "records" show that your teacher is credable. Basically, how do we know that your not making this stuff up, or that your teacher wasn't making stuff up and feeding it to you? I hate to be frank, but I have to at this point. I guess what we need is the "story" behind your art to help give these records credability. Every art has a story. Maybe the story behind yours could help us figure out what your art might be called.

2. O.K.....so how about some details regarding this "gathering." "The Dog Brothers" is a full contact stick fighting group that has annual gatherings. Their information is on the net, as well as in magazines, etc. The WMAA (filipino martial art organization) has annual gatherings as well. Our info is also on the internet. Where is the information regarding your gathering? How could we learn about this gathering? How many people attend this gathering? How often is this held (once a year, once a month, etc.)? Is this public info, or is this some "underground" thing?

3. I understand. At least we know that your system, as far as its last place of origin, was India or Scandinavia. Is this system attached to any type of religious belief (as "Yoga" is attached to Hinduism, for instance)? Would the general public in these countries know about your art, or is your art some sort of "underground" or "secret" type thing?

4. Where do these "moves" come from? Are they a conglomerate from a multitude of other systems, or do they have an actual origin within your system? What does your system consist of in terms of technique; does it only consist of the "inner power" thing, but with added techniques "personalized" by the practitioner, or is there a standard of techniques accross the board. Also, what kind of techniques are these (grappling, punching, kicking, etc.) Any weapon work involved in your system?

5. Sorry, no one is trying to be "gay" here. It is just that although question was simple, nobody really knows what the hell you are talking about. No offense, but no one has heard of your art, or anything like it. People are jumping to conclusions and thinking that your art is Bull-do-do; and rightfully so considering that the claims seem outlandish with no source other then you to back up the claims. I am not trying to "assume" anything, and instead just trying to get all the pertinent info regarding your system, of which no one has ever heard of before. Please understand that I am trying very hard to get to the bottom of this without "slamming" you. So, you should be thanking me and others who are asking you a lot of questions and trying to honestly discover and learn about what your claiming, and talking about. If it wasn't for us, you would be having your ass handed to you on the internet. Trust me when I say that there is a substantial list of MT members who are at the edge of their keyboards, waiting to drop the hammer on you right now, and rip you to shreds. The only thing preventing them from doing so is they are waiting to hear what you have to say based off of mine and TLH3rdan's questions. Trust me, your answers are very important to your own livelyhood here. And also trust that the minute we stop asking questions, you are going to have your ass handed to you because people aren't believing what your saying.

Your explainations might change your fate.

So, I am not trying to berade, just trying to help and learn. You might not want to bite a helping hand at this point.

No disrespect intended here, and I hope to read some of your responses soon.

:D

[Zepp]

We're not trying to berate you or your art. We just want to understand where it comes from.

PAUL has already asked most of the pertinent questions. I too would like to see them answered.

Also, I'd like to add 2 more questions (which you forgot about earlier):

1. Could you please scan the written logs you have so we could see them for ourselves?

2. What organization is it that your master competed in for his title? Have you spoken to members of this organization? (Most important) How can we contact them?

[andurilking2]

i dont care if people want to try to "hand my ass to me" im not interested in what they have to say. As i said before i asked a question and if no one else has an answer for it or anything else intellegent to add than i dont care what you have to say on this thread, Im done posting here an this threadif anyone has any other information they are looking for or anything else intelligable to contribute please private message me. Other than that i look forward to hearing from you on OTHER ThREADS

thanks paul for your time and effort

[Cruentus]

So, What does everyone think about this?:idunno:

[TLH3rdDan]

i think that he saw no one was buying his art and when it came time for put or shut up he choose the later. well it was interesting while it lasted

[Zepp]

His reluctance to answer questions about the organization his master was supposedly a part of is what makes me suspicious. At least he didn't give the guy any money.

Well, now that that's gone as far as it could- FIRE UP THE CHARCOAL! :flame:

Hey andurilking2! If you're still reading this, I think I know the name of your art- Delusional-jutsu!

Ever tried anger management therapy?

[Cruentus]

I'm not sure what the scenario was here. It sounded pretty fishy to me regardless. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he was willing to explain.

Guess not.

What I wonder is, was he just some poor unsuspecting soul who was lied to by an instructor, or whether he was making it all up to begin with. I also wonder his age.

Well, does anybody else have any input on this? Legit or not? What do YOU think?

:idunno:

[chufeng]

I think trying to "charge" up your body with anger is destructive...

From a traditional Chinese medicine perspective...too much anger injurs the liver...

Also, anger is a strong emotion...emotions scatter qi and create tension...the illusion of hitting harder is there (because force is felt in the tensed muscles), but in reality, if it is an "internal" system, the punches would actually be weaker.

That is what I think...only an opinion.

:asian:
chufeng

[Bob Hubbard]

I think anger clouds judgement. I always find my technique is sloppy and less effective when im pissed, than when Im calm.

That said, it may help you work through pain. The adrenelin rush n all that.

my 2 cents. :)

[Elfan]

Ph34r |34d5 70 4n93r... 4n93r |34d5 70 h473... h473 |34d5 70 5uph3r1n9

[Zepp]

Originally posted by Elfan
Ph34r |34d5 70 4n93r... 4n93r |34d5 70 h473... h473 |34d5 70 5uph3r1n9

Pardon me, but my L33t language skills are a bit lacking. What did you say?

[TLH3rdDan]

"Hey andurilking2! If you're still reading this, I think I know the name of your art- Delusional-jutsu!"

better watch out he maybe charging up his anger for a massive web-fu attack... hey i wonder if there is anyone trying to teach web-fu lol

[Cruentus]

He's lucky people started ignoring him, & this thread a long time ago. I suprised that more people haven't stepped up and called his art Bullshido. I think it's also lucky for him that not many people hang out in the internal arts section.

Hey, what the hell is ....

Ph34r |34d5 70 4n93r... 4n93r |34d5 70 h473... h473 |34d5 70 5uph3r1n9

????????

Is this some sort of programing language?

:confused: :D

[TLH3rdDan]

well paul i think perhaps everyone was simply enjoing the entertainment we were creating with our question and answer session with the young jedi knight or super sayian... which ever he may be... too bad we dont have a fantasy arts section this would have fit in nicely

[Bob Hubbard]

Translation:

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.


"My names Bob, and I'm a geek" :)

[chufeng]

"My names Bob, and I'm a geek"

Geeks rule !!!


:asian:
chufeng

[Elfan]

Originally posted by Kaith Rustaz
Translation:

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.


"My names Bob, and I'm a geek" :)

w04|-| /<4!7|-| !s 4n ub3r g33/<

[Bob Hubbard]

woah kaith is an uber geek

hehehe...I try. :D

[Mr.karate]

I would like everyone to know that this is an actual martial art. My Dad had a friend who trained in this style or one that sounds very much like it. I know nothing more about it but would like everyone to know that there is a second person out there to here something about an art like this

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by Mr.karate
I would like everyone to know that this is an actual martial art. My Dad had a friend who trained in this style or one that sounds very much like it. I know nothing more about it but would like everyone to know that there is a second person out there to here something about an art like this

Hearing about it is one thing.

Training in it is another. If you train in an art you should be able to answer some simple questions about it. It is hard to get to the bottom of what you trained in when you only give out, or know vague info. Furthermore, if you only know vague info about your art, how do you know it isn't fraudulent? Ya don't.

I appreciate your post, but the person who started it needs more info before anyone can honestly figure out what art he studied.

Thanks,
PAUL

[Mr.karate]

I agree with what you are saying I was just trying to tell the person that started the forum that there is actually someone else out there that has heard of a style like this.

[arnisador]

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