I finally convinced my teacher to be video taped doing all the Tang Soo Do forms and some Karate Do forms. For those who dont know, my teacher is Dan Bon 1651 in the Moo Duk Kwan. Among the forms he will perform, he will be including Dam Toi(Tan Tui), Sorim Jang Kwon and the even rarer Chinese version of Naihanji, taught to him by Oh Sae Joon (No. 26) after returning from meeting with Mas Oyama in Japan in the mid to late 1960's. Now, sadly, these videos will not be available to the general public. These are only reference tapes for TSD YMCA members only. However, I have decided that I will make available the Sorim Jang Kwon Hyung available to any student of Tang Soo Do on Martial Talk who is interested, under certain restrictions. These videos will begin to be taped in January and February 2010, and should be completed by March or April. Anyone interested in Sorim Jang Kwon should PM me, and I will go over the details.

Spreading the word:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rFdPKK-dZ4&feature=player_embedded

I've just googled it and it looks like a nice form. What is it's history? Does anyone know?

Looks like we are seeing where many of the chil sung movements are coming from. A Chinese version of Naihanchi? I've never heard of that and many of the Okinawan karateka I know have been pretty explicit. Naihanchi is Ryukyuan. I'd love to see it and know its history.

I've just googled it and it looks like a nice form. What is it's history? Does anyone know?

Looks like a basic chang quan form to me. This is beginner material to be honest.

Looks like a basic chang quan form to me. This is beginner material to be honest.

sorry to waste your time with menial matters but I'm proud to be a beginner and have been for the past 28 years.

sorry to waste your time with menial matters but I'm proud to be a beginner and have been for the past 28 years.

Instead of taking insult where none was intended, just take my post at its face value. It's true enough that this form is beginner level material. Do you disagree?

I realize the Chinese connection is somewhat of a holy grail for TSD people. It still doesn't change the fact that the youtube video in this thread is a form (relatively modern-looking in my opinion) taught to people in their first year of study. It's also quite short and 'easy' to perform.

One would hope that a form named 'Shaolin Chang Quan' should look like a chang quan form. One would further expect that with only one chang quan form on the syllabus, it would be relatively simple.

I wonder how the Tae Guek Kwon that KJN Hwang practiced built on this.

The Sorim Jang Kwan looks for the Chinese connection in the wrong place, IMO. Most TSD traces back to China through Okinawa. Soo Bahk Do, an offshoot of TSD, has more relation to this material through it's Chil Sung and Yuk Ro Hyung.

One would hope that a form named 'Shaolin Chang Quan' should look like a chang quan form. One would further expect that with only one chang quan form on the syllabus, it would be relatively simple.

I wonder how the Tae Guek Kwon that KJN Hwang practiced built on this.

Well, that's where the puzzlement comes in for me. I don't see anything in that youtube video that would be of interest to a TSDist looking to delve into the finer points of his own art. Whatever Chinese forms Mr. Hwang Kee may have practiced, I can't look at that YT video and take seriously the notion that this particular form would provide any real insight into Mr. Hwang Kee's personal expression of martial arts.

Well, that's where the puzzlement comes in for me. I don't see anything in that youtube video that would be of interest to a TSDist looking to delve into the finer points of his own art. Whatever Chinese forms Mr. Hwang Kee may have practiced, I can't look at that YT video and take seriously the notion that this particular form would provide any real insight into Mr. Hwang Kee's personal expression of martial arts.

When HK worked for the railroad, reputedly studied with a Chinese Martial Arts master for a year and a half. Years later, HK originally named his art Hwa Soo Do and was intent teaching the Chinese material. At this same time, HK had been training with Lee Won Kuk, a nidan in Shotokan, for about a year in a half. LWK advised HK to change the name of his art to Tang Soo Do so that he would attract more students. HK did so and then began to construct a network of dojangs across Korea via the railroad. The material that was taught in these Railroad Dojangs was Shotokan. Years later, upon discovering some books on Chinese Martial arts, HK revived his interest in CMA and began to incorporate more and more material into TSD. An entire mythology arose from this where all Japanese influence was expunged and it was claimed that the whole art came from China. That is the origin the "Chinese Connection" with Tang Soo Do. It's part fabrication and part reality. The careful research I did in my book, provides sources for all this material.