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Women Warrior’s "If one man taking one step on the moon proved mankind is capable of space exploration- why don't thousands of women fighting in hundreds of wars over 6,000 years prove that women are capable of Serving in combat, Saving their Lives, or Saving their Loved ones Lives?"

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Ms. J. bows Deeply......

Feel free to pass this page about.......:)

I dunno about anyone else but my Grandfather always told me that you don't mess with the cubs of a Mother bear, and I know he wasn't just talking about bears...

Ms. J grins wickadly and shows a little Fang........:)

There's one reason why intergender sparring is not allowed............

the women would kick our butts!!!!

hmph....;) :samurai:

Maybe in your training hall or in legal competition there is no inter-gender sparring,

However, in my classes that I teach in FMA there is no gender on the floor, we are all neuters. ……:)

Sometimes there are limitations, on a physical end, but we work around them on an individual level not a gender-based level.

That is of corse other then me warning my male students that they have to watch out because i teach woman in my class the sucker punch when there not around...:) but I do tell them to be fair and all…J

Seriously though, i dont break down are sparring via gender. In addition, I mix my students up throughout the class so everyone works with each other regardless of gender, size, or age...

It’s by my mind the best way to spar, and to understand the realties of what its going to take each person facing many different types of people out there in realty where they will tend to use there skills for protection, based on muscle memorized techniques, body mechinics, and there reflexive action.

If they do not face all kinds of people and only spar against the same gender then how do you learn what the realties are and what is going to work or not possibly work when it really counts? I would be cheating my students if I broke down are sparring time into single gender sparing matches.

My goodness, I cannot even imagine only being able to physically spar, weapons spar, or my favorite past time of knife sparring only against my gender.

Shehshs I have way way too much fun chasing my male training partners and students with the knife…:)


Ms. J.....

As an instructor one cannot see students as male and female, only as students. I work with each students abilities and limitations and make them better fighters.

In reality a women will most likely be attacked by a male attacker. As an instructor I want to give my female students a chance to practice with someone larger, stronger, and with different weak points then her own. Same with the men. Women fight differently because of the physical makeup.

In my opinion, only sparring with your own gender limits the learning.

well, in competition there is no intergender sparring. however, during our classes... hehe... we all have fun! From personal experience, the women at my school are amazing fighters. They may not be stronger (questionable at sometimes), but they are faster. My instructor makes the claymore/rapier comparison in that case. It's better to have a 2 pound rapier that can be manuevered swiftly for accurate strikes than a 25 pound broadsword that's clumsy.
but i'm generalizing again. shame on me.

Forgiving for a moment the 25 lb broadsword hyperbole, just imagine what happens when that big sucker does smack you.

At any rate, intergender sparring can be done with a lot more enthusiasm with weapons (ironically enough) than without because weapons are the great equalizer.

Pierre

Originally posted by DWright
As an instructor one cannot see students as male and female, only as students. I work with each students abilities and limitations and make them better fighters.

In reality a women will most likely be attacked by a male attacker. As an instructor I want to give my female students a chance to practice with someone larger, stronger, and with different weak points then her own. Same with the men. Women fight differently because of the physical makeup.

In my opinion, only sparring with your own gender limits the learning. I agree! I feel that women do not necessarilly have to spar with a man to be an effective defender of themselves; yet i do feel that a very strong knowledge of the male anatomy, soft tissue target areas and vital point striking is a must. The knowledge of these three areas, their points of destruction and the basic fists of impact are the key! I prefer women to understand and apply the basic animal fist strikes to their self defensive arsenal. The leopard's fist or paw strike for a woman is of such importance that she can take out any attacker, regardless of size. It is the knowledge of where to strike with this potentially fatal strike which is paramount. It is also, the female practitioner's understanding that she must through striking speed and wisdom, without shame or guilt execute the application of this strike precisely to the correct target area which will produce the maximum end result of devastative destruction. As, Grandmaster James Masayoshi Mitose would say; the key is the destruction of the "Fort"! The "Fort" being the males most vulnarable, sensitive and destructive area/s (In this case the Trechea, Larynx region of the Throat) upon impact which will end the violent attack in the famale's victorious favor! Sincerely, In Humility; Chiduce!

See when it comes to sparring, I can't spar with women, I dont think them inferior, not in the slightest, but it all boils down to when i was six, and a 5 yr old girl hit me, I dont remeber why, i think it had something to do with her purple crayon or something, anyways I hit her back. This is when i got the you dont hit women lesson, my dad laid a massive butt whoppin on me, to this day unless it life or death i dont think i could take a swing at a girl, too many "mental muscle blocks"

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Pierre Wrote: Forgiving for a moment the 25 lb broadsword hyperbole, just imagine what happens when that big sucker does smack you. At any rate, intergender sparring can be done with a lot more enthusiasm with weapons (ironically enough) than without because weapons are the great equalizer.
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I don’t have to imagine what happens when a big sucker smacks me, I know exactly what its like to face a huge dude that is trying to smack me…

as far as a larger weapon i.e. the board sword. Yes, it is a large weapon but it was not only wielded throughout history by only large men… and its not like men only come in one size lol… I can wield a large sword when I want to… yes its heavy but with training, it can be used and wielded….

Even back, when this was a sword that was used in battle it was not just given to a solder with no training or building of muscles to wield and use it effectively….

As to your weapons comment…:)

lol… one of the first things I teach, my students is how to face the weapon with nothing in your hands…

Its not based just on weapon to weapon each lesson, it is broken down, single weapon to weapon, double weapon to single weapon, double weapon to double weapon, single weapon no weapon, double weapon no weapon….

That’s weapons training in my classes…. In addition, we start out with weapons training on day one not 3 years latter when you are fully ranked in your hand-to-hand combat.

One of the reasons FMA is such a realty based art is because it faces the realties of what is on the streets and is the real threat in this day and age for everyone… not just woman. Then added to that each movement is applicable with or without a weapon. So no wasted application time….


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Chiduce wrote: I agree! I feel that women do not necessarily have to spar with a man to be an effective defender of themselves;
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No they do not have to spar or train with men to learn how to partly defend themselves effectively, but… part of the therory behind sparing is to give a student the confidence they need so that they can defend themselves against someone even if their more powerful, or have a weapon.

they should have the opportunity of testing their techniques and levels of contact with as many different types of people possible and with at least 4 different contact levels.

It matters little what gender you are for this to be an important part of your training, its just part of learning what techniques will work and you are going to be able use effectively based on your individual body type and physical capability’s…

Though for woman it can be even more important because of the sometimes-huge judgments that are learned over the years when it has come down to defending herself against someone larger and stronger. This extra proof and added empowerment can be the bridge to saving their lives in realty-based confrontations instead of freezing up.

When you are unsure of your techniques based on not testing them and having a way to prove the theory that they might work, it can be hard for some to get past when you are facing the realty of such a confrontation.

Even if its just on a very low contact level, its important for each individual to understand the dynamics of the actual technique being used and training in for there protection. This is based on what they are facing in realty, when they will have to call on it in refexitive and memorized body movement and action.

Whether we are talking out and out traditional martial arts styling, FMA, Weapons training or out and out self-defense and awareness you should be covering realty based situational scenario training as part of your training in the art.

In my mind this falls into the sparing categories, you need to be able to test what you are learning in a controlled and safe environment with as many different kinds of people and situations to train the body, mind, and spirit fully…

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Chiduce wrote: “a very strong knowledge of the male anatomy, soft tissue target areas and vital point striking is a must. The knowledge of these three areas their points of destruction and the basic fists of impact are the key!
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I agree, but this should be standard education for all genders when we are talking about self-defense, martial arts, and weapons training. The finer points of where to strike and how to do so in my mind is part of the science of fighting, training or martial arts mythology… or should be and why its part of all my systems.

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Nathan Hoops wrote: See when it comes to sparring, I can't spar with women, I dont think them inferior, not in the slightest”
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Nathan you don’t have to spar with woman, and its not mandatory that anyone spar in my class at a contact level that their not happy with…. its based on what each persons acceptability level is when it comes to the contact levels first off.

Do I expect all my students to spar and train with each other in class regardless of their genders?

Yes but its not a requirement that I would force if someone just could not train and spar with the opposite sex.

Would it keep them from ranking though my systems? Even at are level one for FMA? Yes, it would…. Because if you cant teach and train both genders then you cant teach my system…

you also have to be able to display the lessons at 4 different contact levels. If you cant then you, do not pass your testing.

However, I do not belt or rank for any other reason unless you want to teach the system. If your not intending to teach then you don’t get the opportunity to even test in my system of FMA or my core developed programs and systems of TAO SDA”

Ms. J… bows deeply…:asian:

This sound like a "is there a differance between men and woman?" thread. Maybe I misunderstand?

But as I see it there is a big differrance, and no differrance at the same time, between woman and men. I have practiced beside weak men, and strong woman. But I don't shower with woman. That's not ment as a joke, but there is a differance. There are things that a man can do, and things that woman can do. That's that.

When I practice with a "weaker" partner, I take considerated actions. But thats nothing t do with gender. But... but it's mostly woman I do this with, beacuse it's mostly them that are the weaker part. now if I meet a woman that pars up to me, or is better than me (not that difficult), I give it all.

What am I trying to say? That don't be considerate on part of gender, but out of compasion for a weaker part.

Wel
l--take care and train with your heart!

I have respect for anyone who steps into the ring. Guy, girl, monkey, whatever.

What I don't respect is armchair quarterbacks who have never taped up their hands and been in the ring telling me what it's like.

Mike Tyson is a great example. I don't like his style myself. But when I hear people go on about him I always ask if they have ever been in the ring? Usually the answer is "no." Then I politely suggest they shut the hell up until they have had the opportunity to be starring across a ring at a guy who wants to beat you unconcious.

I don't go around saying I understand what a rape victim feels like. I don't. That would be stupid of me. I do try and understand and listen but I don't claim to know what they're going through.

I was sparring with a woman last night. We had fun. We went and tried some things while we were sparring, footwork, combos and counters. All the while working but not trying to kill each other. I believe in 2 kinds of sparring. 1) Learning sparring where you go light and let each other try and work material. 2) Going at it sparring when you try and put it closer to real time.

Originally posted by Yari
What am I trying to say? That don't be considerate on part of gender, but out of compasion for a weaker part.


Bah...most Women can handle pain a hundred times greater then Men can comprehend. Don't kid yourself into thinking they're weaker because physically some might not be able to move something you can. Women have a hundred qualities that more than equalize them in the combat arena.

Originally posted by GouRonin
I have respect for anyone who steps into the ring. Guy, girl, monkey, whatever.




I'd actually be most afraid of the monkey, a full grown chimp is strong enough to rip your arms out of their sockets

Originally posted by Nate_Hoopes
I'd actually be most afraid of the monkey, a full grown chimp is strong enough to rip your arms out of their sockets

Dude, bet on me. Not only do I bite too...but I cheat like a mother %$#@er.

Originally posted by Ms J

as far as a larger weapon i.e. the board sword. Yes, it is a large weapon but it was not only wielded throughout history by only large men… and its not like men only come in one size lol… I can wield a large sword when I want to… yes its heavy but with training, it can be used and wielded….



Even a large sword can be wielded by average size people. They weren't *that* heavy. That wasn't my point. You did get it, however.

I'm not trying to argue that men and women shouldn't spar, but as you point out not all people are the same size. The size disparity is even moreso between men and women. I'm a 190lb male, and I'm not large. If I were female I'd be very large, if not considered "fat".

For smaller people it simply takes a *lot* more skill to overcome size, so weapons are a great equalizer. They're relatively easy to use in their unsophisticated application, and unlike a punch they cannot be ignored.


lol… one of the first things I teach, my students is how to face the weapon with nothing in your hands…

Its not based just on weapon to weapon each lesson, it is broken down, single weapon to weapon, double weapon to single weapon, double weapon to double weapon, single weapon no weapon, double weapon no weapon….

That’s weapons training in my classes…. In addition, we start out with weapons training on day one not 3 years latter when you are fully ranked in your hand-to-hand combat.

One of the reasons FMA is such a realty based art is because it faces the realties of what is on the streets and is the real threat in this day and age for everyone… not just woman. Then added to that each movement is applicable with or without a weapon. So no wasted application time….



I also take FMA; Pekiti Tirsia Kali. First lesson was doble baston.

My point is that for smaller people, and this includes most women, realistic physical self defense really should include weapons training. It takes a truly exceptional 135 lb person to take on, and defeat, someone who is my size. On the other hand I'd have to give a lot of room to a pissed off 12 year old with a knife, even if hey had no idea what they were doing.

I'm not denigrating the Woman Warriors around us; I've learned from women and I know that a lot of you have significant training, skill, and toughness. It's still true that until we reach the acme of skill, size really does matter.

Pierre

GouRonin


It's not about pain, or who can lift the biggist amount of weights.
If a person is weaker than me, I will not slam taht person into the mat, or keep throwing my hardest punch, which connects each time. I belive that since I'm the "strongest" I have the responsability to not push to far. But I'll give it's limit, but no futhur than my opponent can handel it.

Well, sounds like we mostly agree then......:)

Ms. J... :)

The first woman ever promoted to black belt by James Masayoshi Mitose and was featured in his first book "What Is Self Defense ( Kenpo Jui Jitsu) was his sister! Mrs. Fusae Mitose or Fusae Mitose Oshita or Clara Oshita. "A separate section of Kenpo/Kosho was taught to only females and the Grandmasters of the system"! It is said that Mitose only awarded 5 to 6 Black Belts and that no woman was ever mentioned! I think this lone woman helped establish the presidence of women studying martial arts in the west , as well as kenpo. Sincerely, In Humility; Chiduce!

have you been to the site page? ie the one that my frist post was about?

it really is not a page that lists woman that are in the martial arts or blackbelted.

though we could do a site for woman blackbelts thoughout the past 500 years but it would be a huge job that i would need help with........:(

remember i am the web master, cheif bottle washer, head instructor and so forth already of the organzation lol...... and none of my team are anywhere near AS skilled on the pc as i am.... so they could not even code the page and it would take me as long to train them how to do the research we would need to do on line and via historical data then it would to do the stuffs myself......:(


but..... it would be an aswome page to be sure if i can get the time and the help to do it......

someday lol

Ms. J

interesting...