Wait mine is better than yours

[terryl965]

I am seeing more and more of this here on Martial Talk, videos of what people would say is a bad test or this school sucks or this instructor looks like ****. I am getting to the point where I am ready to close my account, we all have our personal reason to train, little Johnny parents has there's. What gives us the right to pick at these people, what has made us turn into vultures? I for one would like to get back to discussing techs and application in the TKD section, not bashing and complaining. I have been one to do this in the past, but I am going to turn over a new era in my life and stay out of name calling if I personally do not know the school or the instructor.

I would hope alot of you will be able to do the same and bring the good that TKD has to offer the people and the instructors of the world.

[miguksaram]

I am seeing more and more of this here on Martial Talk, videos of what people would say is a bad test or this school sucks or this instructor looks like ****. I am getting to the point where I am ready to close my account, we all have our personal reason to train, little Johnny parents has there's. What gives us the right to pick at these people, what has made us turn into vultures? I for one would like to get back to discussing techs and application in the TKD section, not bashing and complaining. I have been one to do this in the past, but I am going to turn over a new era in my life and stay out of name calling if I personally do not know the school or the instructor.

I would hope alot of you will be able to do the same and bring the good that TKD has to offer the people and the instructors of the world.


Ooh...I misread the title...I thought it said Mine is bigger than yours. ha.ha.ha.ha.

Seriously though, I agree with where you are going with this. A snap shot is not anyway of saying if a school is good or bad.

[dancingalone]

I'm all for a return to civility. I have noticed tempers seem to be getting frayed more often particularly with the new influx of members and with some of our better posters being less active. Perhaps it is just the heat and this will blow over.

[bluekey88]

I'll join you Terry. It's a shame I find myself avoiding more topics than i join. It's easy to cast aspersions, and far harder to enagge in a useful dialogue.

Peace,
Erik

[KELLYG]

But wait a minute mine is better than yours!!
Just kidding.:angel: I have a tendency to agree with you on you OP!

[Touch Of Death]

I am seeing more and more of this here on Martial Talk, videos of what people would say is a bad test or this school sucks or this instructor looks like ****. I am getting to the point where I am ready to close my account, we all have our personal reason to train, little Johnny parents has there's. What gives us the right to pick at these people, what has made us turn into vultures? I for one would like to get back to discussing techs and application in the TKD section, not bashing and complaining. I have been one to do this in the past, but I am going to turn over a new era in my life and stay out of name calling if I personally do not know the school or the instructor.

I would hope alot of you will be able to do the same and bring the good that TKD has to offer the people and the instructors of the world.So if you see something illogical or even dangerous you will just say "MUM"? I am all for being polite, but this stuff is serious. Save these people!
Sean

[terryl965]

So if you see something illogical or even dangerous you will just say "MUM"? I am all for being polite, but this stuff is serious. Save these people!
Sean

Not what I am saying, remember we only see what is available we do not know the whole picture. They may look like a sport class, but they are a sport class and that is what some people want. We cannot save everybody from themself we can only do what we can to make sure we are doing what we believe to be right. Take care of ourself and the rest will follow.

[TKD_Father]

Personally, I'd like to see some youtube links to some GOOD examples.

I love marking them so my son and I can study the techniques.

BTW - prefer more forms and self defense, there's plenty of sparring available.

[ATC]

Positive posting...I like it. If you look at any of my post, I always try to say something positive. I never bash any kids, school, or teachings. I always found it funny that some did as the tenets of TKD do not teach this. But Oh well, "to each his own" I would just say to myself.

Now debating the whys and hows of something is always fun.

Nice post Terry. :asian:

[terryl965]

TKD Father I will post some videos of our childern self Defense and poomsae for you. I tend to have some up already but for some reason they are hard to locate.

[TKD_Father]

Thanks Terry, appreciate it.

[terryl965]

Thanks Terry, appreciate it.

You are welcome

[jfarnsworth]

I am seeing more and more of this here on Martial Talk, videos of what people would say is a bad test or this school sucks or this instructor looks like ****. I am getting to the point where I am ready to close my account, ....
This is one of the reasons you don't see me post on here any longer. Not that Bob is doing a bad job with this site, b/c he's not. This is by far one of the best on the entire 'net. Just as you recently seen from someone in another thread said to me.... I was again this " " close to asking my account to be closed. Don't need the hassle.
Sir, do what you feel is right or just maybe take a break. Although I personally don't post much on here doesn't mean I don't lurk about in the shadows of the threads. Terry, I have enjoyed many of your posts. It would be ashame to see you leave this forum.
Take care, sir.
jason

[granfire]

I'm all for a return to civility. I have noticed tempers seem to be getting frayed more often particularly with the new influx of members and with some of our better posters being less active. Perhaps it is just the heat and this will blow over.


Eh, I am blaming it on the economy (really, no kidding, seems like everybody has shorter fuses these days)

It will pass. Might take an extra round on the bag and a less than PG sports drink after, but it will blow over.


I just don't see the need to close accounts. (of course I am a free loader....makes a difference I suppose)

Maybe we do spend too much time behind our computers, not on the mat, putting our (feet) money where our mouth is, but that too is part of life: meeting at the round table and talking *****. it's a time honored tradition.

I mean, it does get mighty old rehashing the same things over and over. The basics of martial arts are a couple thousand years old, so we are going to reinvent the wheel in one night?

But for everybody who promoted substandard performance there is one instructor who considers it an honor to have blood splatter on his mat or to no pass a candidate at rank grading.

I am an internet junky, especially forums like that, this is by far the best MA forum I have found.

And here is the reason:

There are folks who not only talk the talk but walk the walk, that question themselves and strive to do better

Folks that have been around the block, seen more than just the 4 walls of their home gym and have tasted dirt many different ways.

Some folks are past the physical prime, and carry on, with aches and pains. But they make up for it with a wealth of experience that they are willing to share in ways you won't ever find in a lifetime just meeting people face to face.

A good sense of humor. I mean, you gotta have that, actually paying to be tortured... :D


Of course there are the screwballs, that try to mess things up. But in general this forum does not provide the climate for those strange flowers to flourish.


But you also can't stick your head in the sand, ignoring the 6yo BB (or the 8yo who happened to be posted on the net) because they just might walk through your door some day.


So pretty please, Terry and all of you, if you feel you need to clear your mind from this net business, by all means, do so, but pretty, PRETTY please, don't do anything harsh like deleteing accounts. Your presence is too valuable for words.


/bow

[stickarts]

I agree with you Terry. I have found that those that spend most of their time criticizing others and how they do things are obviously not spending enough time on self improvement and have too much time on their hands. I try and focus on things of substance and positive contribution. Don't close your account. We like you here. :)

[Earl Weiss]

So if you see something illogical or even dangerous you will just say "MUM"? I am all for being polite, but this stuff is serious. Save these people!
Sean

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/edmundburk384617.html)

[MJS]

IMO, I think its a bit foolish to want to close your acct. because of what someone says on a message board, in addition to the fact that there is a very good chance that you'll never see said person. No, I'm not talking about some challenge match, I'm talking about....if for example, Terry said something that upset me, chances are, I'm not planning a trip to TX in the near future, so....I take it with a grain of salt, ignore him, and get on with my life. Its a sad day, no, a very sad day, when I let the actions of someone on an online forum, ruin my life. For the record, Terry hasn't done anything I've mentioned. :) Just using that as an example.

But, in any case, to each his own. As I always say, this is the best forum I've been on. We do have ways to address issues, so if someone is not or chooses not to take advantage of those methods, then its not my fault if someone is unhappy. You can RTM the post of the offending person, put them on ignore or perhaps contact one of the mods here, via email or PM. If there is an issue, not addressing it, isn't helping the situation.

As far as people bashing videos, schools, teachers, etc....one would think that if you put someone on youtube, it'd be a quality clip. I could post something I think is the best, and 10 others can watch it and think it sucks. Thats the nature of the beast. Of course, to say that everything on YT is good, well, I think you're kidding yourself if you think that. And IMHO, that is probably the #1 reason why people look down on the arts. If someone posted a TKD clip and the people in the clip had poor stances, no power in the forms, the SD looked like garbage, the person watching is probably going to judge ALL TKD as garbage, even though there are great quality schools out there. Again, its the nature of the beast, and I think its a small issue to get riled up about. Then again, it shouldn't take much to see, especially if you've been around long enough, to see something and know whether or not is good or crappy. I take slight offense to people who post crappy Kenpo, but I also understand that I'm not a member of the Kenpo Police Dept. and there is nothing I can do about it. I shrug it off, and go about my training. There is good Kenpo out there, just like there is good TKD, good Bujinkan, good BJJ, etc. I do my part, as should everyone in their respective arts, to spread the art in a good light.

I look at it like this....I'm not trying to impress anyone with my Kenpo, Arnis or BJJ. I do those arts because I like them. If someone thinks they suck, thats fine. I have no desire to post a clip because I dont care about impressing someone or trying to prove something. What I do works for me, and thats all I care about. I know what the arts can and can't do and thats all I care about.

[TaeKwonDoKevin]

WONDERFUL Post Terry........I do agree.

NOW, let me ask you all this.
Have you ever had a student that you thought was average, but other Instructors thought s/he had GREAT tech? Or have a student you thought was good, and others thought was average? Have you ever thought this of another Instructor's student.
I'm not saying what is right or wrong, but sometimes for what ever crazy reason, we see something in a student (our own or someone elses student) that no one else sees or vice versa.
I know this has happened to me before, on both sides, student gets great marks and I'm thinking that's "average joey" what do these guest Instructors see in him. While another student I thought was going places barely passes.
After the test, I do find out why.
Maybe it's just me......maybe I'm goofy that way.

Respectfully,
-Kevin

[terryl965]

Kevin I am with you, I have seen student that are great in the classroom but they simply suck when it comes down to a test. I have also seen student elivate there game when testing occurs.

[Tames D]

I think criticism of children should be off limits. Us adults should be able to handle it and it kinda go's with the territory of being a high ranking martial artist. But criticize my kids (justified or not) and we may have to have a talk.

[granfire]

I think criticism of children should be off limits. Us adults should be able to handle it and it kinda go's with the territory of being a high ranking martial artist. But criticize my kids (justified or not) and we may have to have a talk.


Hmm, since the kids are the product....

There is criticizing and there is CRITICIZING.

Saying a person (regardless of age) is not so good because of xyc, that's not bad. Saying a person just SUXS is not very helpful.

But your kids will be critiqued when they leave your school and perform what you taught them, be it youtube or tournament.

[Tames D]

Hmm, since the kids are the product....

There is criticizing and there is CRITICIZING.

Saying a person (regardless of age) is not so good because of xyc, that's not bad. Saying a person just SUXS is not very helpful.

But your kids will be critiqued when they leave your school and perform what you taught them, be it youtube or tournament.

Absolutely, my kids will be criticized. And when I say "my kids", I'm talking about my two young sons. So be it, they will have to learn to deal with it if it happens. I just don't believe in criticizing kids, especially on a public forum where they may read it or someone may show it to them. Just the way I am.

Kids should be allowed to suck at martial arts, baseball, soccer etc. Their job should be to have fun. They shouldn't have to hear from adults how they suck and are a total embarrassment to the arts. I realize that they can be an embarrassment but I won't be the one to bring it to their attention. I just think it should be off limits.

[granfire]

Absolutely, my kids will be criticized. And when I say "my kids", I'm talking about my two young sons. So be it, they will have to learn to deal with it if it happens. I just don't believe in criticizing kids, especially on a public forum where they may read it or someone may show it to them. Just the way I am.

Kids should be allowed to suck at martial arts, baseball, soccer etc. Their job should be to have fun. They shouldn't have to hear from adults how they suck and are a total embarrassment to the arts. I realize that they can be an embarrassment but I won't be the one to bring it to their attention. I just think it should be off limits.

Well, then tell the parents to stop blowing sugar up poopsie's butt.

You post your stuff in public, you will receive a response. BTW getting a harsh critique on MA, soccer or whatever performance is the least of my concern. The net is populated with weirdos and perverts. Putting your kid's mug out there, with name and location is asking for trouble.

People have to get over themselves and their spawns. I know my kid is precious to me, and his grandparents, but most everybody else is not interested in his latest potato sculpture. Of course kids need to have the freedom on being terribly bad in something, and hopefully still have a good time. That's how we learn, and I found my son learned more from utterly messing up than from getting a medal.

Thjere are 2 sides to the story, the kid (=product) and the trainers who made it that way.

[Tames D]

Well, then tell the parents to stop blowing sugar up poopsie's butt.

You post your stuff in public, you will receive a response. BTW getting a harsh critique on MA, soccer or whatever performance is the least of my concern. The net is populated with weirdos and perverts. Putting your kid's mug out there, with name and location is asking for trouble.

People have to get over themselves and their spawns. I know my kid is precious to me, and his grandparents, but most everybody else is not interested in his latest potato sculpture. Of course kids need to have the freedom on being terribly bad in something, and hopefully still have a good time. That's how we learn, and I found my son learned more from utterly messing up than from getting a medal.

Thjere are 2 sides to the story, the kid (=product) and the trainers who made it that way.

I agree with with just about everything you are saying. But I don't think some of these lackluster performances are being posted by the kids or their parents. Often times it's someone else posting this ****, so I should slam the kid?

And your right, I would have no interest in your kids latest potato sculpture and if you or someone else posted it on the internet I wouldn't think it would be fair to make your kid feel like **** because he/she wasn't my idea of master sculptor. Some people here take stuff way too seriously.

It's really getting old reading the critique's from these keyboard Masters, who, when I see their stuff posted (and their students) makes me shake my head. I guess it makes them feel better to constantly slam others while they themselves suck (and you know who you are).

[granfire]

well, but if you don't speak up, you perpetuate the problem.

Precious Syndrome...and you end up throwing confetty at your coworkers just for showing up (how can you award good performance when you go overboard for what should be a given)

You can tell somebody they are not all that hot, or you can slam them. Even children.

[Tames D]

You can tell somebody they are not all that hot, or you can slam them. Even children.

Agreed. I'm referring to the latter part (slamming).

[msmitht]

Step 1 : instead of a## say buns. like kiss my buns or you are a buns hole
step 2 : instead sh&^ say poo. like poo poo poo! or this poo is cold.
step 3 with Bi%$# drop the t, cause bich is latin for generosity
step 4 : don't say fu#@ anymore cause fu#@ is the worst word that you can say...so just use the words M'KAY!
Just kidding.
Am glad to see this thread. It was getting a little out of hand. I was to blame as well.
M'KAY? M'KAY.

[granfire]

Agreed. I'm referring to the latter part (slamming).
lol, rereading the quote I realize how poorly I expressed myself.

I mean, once should not be slamming others for lack of ability, a few exception excluded of course. :)