those new black belt forms??

[Laurentkd]

I tried to find the original thread but couldn't come up with the right combo of words to pull it up in the search.
You guys remember those two new black belt forms that were supposed to be for tournaments (that was the thought anyway). I think one was called Peacock?? Has anyone seen or heard anything about them in the last year or so?

[Laurentkd]

guess not....
:)

[miguksaram]

guess not....
:)

Well I can tell you that no one did them at the 1st US Open Hanmadang back in June.

[Miles]

Here's Master Ky Tu Dang doing one of the new poomsae:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjYvwEmfN6Y&feature=related


I have the KKW's youtube version saved on my home computer, will try to post a link tonight.

[terryl965]

I just love Hanryu, I am currently learning it but need more info to fully understand all the movements.

[hkfuie]

peacock? I wanna learn that one! I could wear a flashy uniform with SEQUINS! :) LOL!

Maybe not.

[goingd]

Does anyone know what the Kukkiwon plans to do with these forms other than have them used in competition? i.e., requirements for promotion?

[Miles]

Here's the other one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5cRWdG4spk

Don't know what is happening with these. Maybe we can ask in Chicago this October...

[Laurentkd]

I just love Hanryu, I am currently learning it but need more info to fully understand all the movements.


Are you learning it from a video or do you have someone teaching it to you? I am wondering how these forms are going to be standardized without a lot of people learning them very quickly in order to teach others. I really like Hanryu as well, especially after watching the video of Master Ky Tu Dang. I believe this is him as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUSOHKagujI

[goingd]

I will be very upset if the majority of people start to learn these forms from videos.

One thing I really like about both of them is their emphasis on kicking. The all together movements seemed (to me) very self defense oriented.

The only thing I worry about is people trying to learn too many forms. At our studio we teach and learn all the Taegeuk and Palgwe forms, in addition to five basic forms and Koryo, all before 1st Dan. To me that is just too much. I vaguely remember some saying along the lines of, "If someone knows fifty forms but does not know how to use their techniques, they are not a master. If someone knows ten forms and understands how to use their techniques, they are a master."

Either way, I would love an opportunity to at least learn Bikak. ^~^

[Miles]

I will be very upset if the majority of people start to learn these forms from videos.

One thing I really like about both of them is their emphasis on kicking. The all together movements seemed (to me) very self defense oriented.

The only thing I worry about is people trying to learn too many forms. At our studio we teach and learn all the Taegeuk and Palgwe forms, in addition to five basic forms and Koryo, all before 1st Dan. To me that is just too much. I vaguely remember some saying along the lines of, "If someone knows fifty forms but does not know how to use their techniques, they are not a master. If someone knows ten forms and understands how to use their techniques, they are a master."

Either way, I would love an opportunity to at least learn Bikak. ^~^

Why would YOU be upset if SOMEONE ELSE earns them via video? It would make no difference to me if someone learned them via video....having said that, personally, I'll wait til someone can teach me in person. I am "video-learning impaired."

I subscribe to the theory that "less is more." I think that is sort of a Shotokan-esque hold-over in my TKD practice. I ditched the idea long ago of teaching the Palgwe poomsae and just stick with learning and absorbing the standardized KKW curriculum. But, I also enjoy practicing (which I differentiate from the term "training") in the Pyung-ahn hyung.

[miguksaram]

Ok..after watching both of those forms, who can explain the applications of the movements (Bunkai)?

[goingd]

Why would YOU be upset if SOMEONE ELSE earns them via video? It would make no difference to me if someone learned them via video....having said that, personally, I'll wait til someone can teach me in person. I am "video-learning impaired."

I subscribe to the theory that "less is more." I think that is sort of a Shotokan-esque hold-over in my TKD practice. I ditched the idea long ago of teaching the Palgwe poomsae and just stick with learning and absorbing the standardized KKW curriculum. But, I also enjoy practicing (which I differentiate from the term "training") in the Pyung-ahn hyung.
What makes no difference to you has little to nothing to do with me.
I would be upset if people - especially instructors - learned them via video because they, in my honest opinion, WOULD NOT understand them. That certainly does not affect me directly, but I care about how Taekwondo is taught. I do not want to see an even lower standard of understanding in this country. That is why I would be upset.

^~^

[Miles]

I do not want to see an even lower standard of understanding in this country. That is why I would be upset.

^~^

I understand with that sentiment and totally agree!

[dancingalone]

Well, I do like these forms, but would any of you argue that they are meant to contain some deep, insightful applications? Coming from the KKW, I would imagine they are meant to showcase fluid & powerful kicking methods with speedy and smooth footwork. By those standards I'd say the forms succeed, and I don't see a problem with learning them from a video if you're already a dan belt.

[goingd]

I think what spurred the creation of these forms was a desire for something a little flashier in competition. And although the Kukkiwon has already changed some details of the traditional black belt forms "scientifically" (i.e., to make them less Japanese) I think that they wanted a greater emphasis on rapid motion, and more kicking. I am personally please with and fond of these two new forms.

^~^