UFC: Brock Lesnar dominates Frank Mir and GSP rolls

[Clark Kent]

Brock Lesnar dominated Frank Mir in the second round and GSP needed all five rounds to get the victory over Thiago Alves at UFC 100.

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[Smoke]

Lesnar winning represents the end of a great era and the closing of a great book imo

[Makalakumu]

Lesnar winning represents the end of a great era and the closing of a great book imo

Then it does. On the other hand, it could also be one of the best challenges the heavyweight division has had in a long time.

[Skpotamus]

Sigh, i really don't like lesner in mma, a giant roid monkey who cuts to make the division cutoff. He got busted for human growth hormone when he was pro wrestling and is the same size now as then.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lesnarmug1.html

I just hope they get Fedor to come in and crush him, or maybe josh barnett. Or someone resurrects Old Nog and he submits him.

[Smoke]

Sigh, i really don't like lesner in mma, a giant roid monkey who cuts to make the division cutoff. He got busted for human growth hormone when he was pro wrestling and is the same size now as then.


Exactly! Since when are they allowing mixed species to fight each other (horse vs. human)? Sounds like a Discovery Channel show.

Allowing Lesnar to fight MMA without creating a SUPER heavy division, was the worst thing that could have happened in my opinion.

Remember when Lesnar fought Couture? Couture was walking around at the weight he weighed in at (225 or roundabout) and Lesnar had been around 290 or so, if I remember correctly.

Throwing those two together is akin to having a Lt Heavy face off against a Welterweight and makes about as much sense. The weight range is something like 205 to 265. Then you have Lesnar cutting weight (quite a bit presumably) to make 265? It's just not good for the sport unless you get other elephants in there to challenge him.

What does that do but force everyone who isn't a centaur to cut even MORE weight and drop down a division.

You'll get MIR fighting at MIDDLEWEIGHT! (I kid)

Still, it's not good, no matter how you slice it up.

[K831]

I agree. It's strange that he and his fans are so excited about beating someone 20-50 lbs less.

[Twin Fist]

prob had something to do with everyone wanting him to fail, everyone talking smack about him, and generally being a jerk to him.

he took a big chance, he worked hard, and he has earned some success.

and the crap still get flung at him.

[FearlessFreep]

Any videos? I tried to go see it but got there too late and couldn't get in to any of the sports bars playing it

[elder999]

Sigh, i really don't like lesner in mma, a giant roid monkey who cuts to make the division cutoff. He got busted for human growth hormone when he was pro wrestling and is the same size now as then.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lesnarmug1.html



Actually, he got arrested for picking up a package in the mail. He was charged with trafficing in steroids, and the charges were dropped when it was found that what he'd picked up weren't steroids. Or HGH. They were......something else.

His lawyer says vitamins.....:lol:

In any case, he's the same size he was in college.




I just hope they get Fedor to come in and crush him, or maybe josh barnett. Or someone resurrects Old Nog and he submits him.

Why do you think he's where he is? Clearly, there's room for a "super-heavyweight" division. Light heavy is stacked, but heavyweight was kind of dead....in the end, like him or not, Lesnar has some skills, and size, and is good for MMA, which is, for most people, simply entertainment. It's hard to take him seriously because of his WWE past, but it's foolish not to take him seriously because of his collegiate wrestling success and his size-not to mention that he wanted to be in the UFC, when he easily would be making more money in the WWE.

The guy has very little in the way of humility, though-wasn't much of a good sport, and the "on top of the wife" bit was totally classless -though, since they just had a baby a while ago, and he's been training for this fight, it's probably been on his mind A LOT. :lol:

The Coors remark was funny, but also shows he has no taste whatsoever in beer-not that Budweiser would be much better.

Flipping the audience off and getting in Mir's face? Poor sportsmanship, sure, but has anyone stopped and thought for a moment that it's juat another reason why he's there? Precisely why Dana brought him in-a little showmanship? I cringe every time the guy gets near a microphone, and hang on every word.... :lol:


Cool that Hendo so totally dominated Bisping. Made some green on that, I did.....:lfao:

[JadecloudAlchemist]

Lesnar fought Mir before and Mir won.

This time Lesnar wins and its "oh he is to big blah blah" Ya Lesnar is big he is 265lbs Mir weighs at 245lbs. Maybe Lesnar won because he trained hard to win his fight against Mir. Lesnar trains just as hard maybe harder than anyone else so stop talking smack about the guy.

[Tez3]

Actually, he got arrested for picking up a package in the mail. He was charged with trafficing in steroids, and the charges were dropped when it was found that what he'd picked up weren't steroids. Or HGH. They were......something else.

His lawyer says vitamins.....:lol:

In any case, he's the same size he was in college.





Why do you think he's where he is? Clearly, there's room for a "super-heavyweight" division. Light heavy is stacked, but heavyweight was kind of dead....in the end, like him or not, Lesnar has some skills, and size, and is good for MMA, which is, for most people, simply entertainment. It's hard to take him seriously because of his WWE past, but it's foolish not to take him seriously because of his collegiate wrestling success and his size-not to mention that he wanted to be in the UFC, when he easily would be making more money in the WWE.

The guy has very little in the way of humility, though-wasn't much of a good sport, and the "on top of the wife" bit was totally classless -though, since they just had a baby a while ago, and he's been training for this fight, it's probably been on his mind A LOT. :lol:

The Coors remark was funny, but also shows he has no taste whatsoever in beer-not that Budweiser would be much better.

Flipping the audience off and getting in Mir's face? Poor sportsmanship, sure, but has anyone stopped and thought for a moment that it's juat another reason why he's there? Precisely why Dana brought him in-a little showmanship? I cringe every time the guy gets near a microphone, and hang on every word.... :lol:


Cool that Hendo so totally dominated Bisping. Made some green on that, I did.....:lfao:


oops lol! Oh well can't win em all. Haven't see any of the fights yet.

You are right about the Lesnar thing, people love arguing over fighters, they like their 'goodies' and their 'baddies', not sportsmanlike but it's showmanship as you said and it brings in the money!!

[jarrod]

i have respect for lesnar's drive & work ethic, but i hate watching him fight. i just don't like his style, but it wins. i also don't like how quickly dana put him in the running for the title. of course, that isn't his fault.

also for the big boys, 20lbs isn't that big of a difference percentage-wise. he's probably the strongest fighter in the division, but that's part of the game.

jf

[Marginal]

Lesnar winning represents the end of a great era and the closing of a great book imo
I thought the point of the heavyweight division was to be hated. Tim Silvia wasn't exactly exciting. When was it that heavyweight was interesting?

[jarrod]

When was it that heavyweight was interesting?

it was interesting right up until the UFC bought out Pride.

jf

[LoneRider]

I wasn't a fan of Lesnar's sportsmanship myself. I got into the office at about 6:30 A.M. Middle Eastern Time and saw both the Lesnar/Mir fight and the Thiago Alves/GSP fight on the Armed Forces Network (we're deployed). I have to admit it was a hell of a fight to watch.

[searcher]

Like him or not, he did win. I don't like whether he wins or loses. Give it time ladies and gentlemen, he will get beat by the next big name in the division. And it will come to a time when nobody really cares about what he does or is doing.

[Andy Moynihan]

I don't care that he won or lost, his postfight behavior guaranteed that I will never buy or watch another UFC program again. That White hasn't canned his ass already speaks volumes to his claims of wanting UFC to look respectable.

[Twin Fist]

you didnt hear him right, he said he wants the "UFC to look profitable"

[Tensei85]

The Lesnar-Mir fight, was probably one of my least favorite events of the night. Lesnar's a big guy, but regardless I'm sure he's trained a lot since the last Mir fight. So does he deserve the win, yea because he won! lol, overall I would say there's lots of room for improvement in the Heavyweight division.

But on a side note,

I thought the Henderson fight was awesome!

The GSP fight was pretty good as well, I'm suprised it went all 5 rounds. I have to say Kudo's to Thiago-GSP for going all the way.

Unfortunately I didn't stay for all the fights, left soon after the Lesnar fight.
(party to go to...)

[SensibleManiac]

This time Lesnar wins and its "oh he is to big blah blah" Ya Lesnar is big he is 265lbs Mir weighs at 245lbs. Maybe Lesnar won because he trained hard to win his fight against Mir. Lesnar trains just as hard maybe harder than anyone else so stop talking smack about the guy.


Actually Lesnar cuts down to 265lbs. but is usually more like 285-295 at fight time, this time he did look a little less though, like maybe 280.
I have no doubt he trains very hard, it's just he after fight antics that most people are against.

[Kempojujutsu]

Never fear, I do believe the UFC will sign Fedor Emelianenko and will end Brock's reign. At least we have hope, they will.

[elder999]

Never fear, I do believe the UFC will sign Fedor Emelianenko and will end Brock's reign. At least we have hope, they will.

Not so sure that by the time that happens, Brock won't be able to beat him.

[AceHBK]

Come onnnnnnn Bobby Lashley!!!!!!


lol


Man did Henderson knock the common sense out of Bisping. Man I was too happy about that ending and that second shot was even better as he was on the ground. lol...Bisping has been quiet since the end of the fight. That KO was up there with Franklins KO of Nate Quarry. Now that was scary, I thought Nate was dead..lol

GSP is just a beast.

[tallgeese]

It's hard to defend Lesner's antics, so I won't try. But there's no doubt, even if he got a title shot too soon, that he's added a certain amount of hype to the heavyweight division. There's probably cross over fans aplenety buying ppv's now.

He's getting better each time in the ring, he's using more tools and improving. That's a good sign for fight fans, he'll most likkely be around a bit and it wil make his fights more fun to watch.

Fedor might get in and knock some humility into him. At the very least, some other mutant with NCAA cred will show up and beat him at some point. You can't blame him for cutting weight to make the class. It's the game.

Now, is there an arguement for a super heavy? Maybe, but he'd still cut to heavys unless the limit was severly dropped.

The card as a whole was pretty exciting with good fights. Time well spent.

[celtic_crippler]

Cool that Hendo so totally dominated Bisping. Made some green on that, I did.....:lfao:

That alone made the PPV worth it. LOL

Bisping looked so peaceful lying there, didn't he. zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ
ROFL

[crushing]

That alone made the PPV worth it. LOL

Bisping looked so peaceful lying there, didn't he. zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ
ROFL

lol. I haven't see it yet, but it must have been nice and quite without him running his mouth and trash talking.

[zDom]

I would have no objection to Brock's size if it was natural but he is so very obviously a (slobbering) roid-monster.

I want to see Dana show some intengrity (bwaaaahahhahah I crack myself up sometimes....) and make Brock be CLEAN before he fights.

I want to see Brock fight without the energy, size, strength and aggresiveness that the steroids give him.

I do give him a tiny bit of credit on at least learning the game.

And Mir deserved to lose. His "defense" (if you can even call it that) was pitiful.

As for GSP — he fought textbook perfect. He was constantly working, looking for submissions/knockouts but it just didn't happen (shrug). He dominated that entire fight and worked over the other guy. Kudos to his opponent for hanging in there and denying GSP the submission or knockout.

Hendy just plain beat the PISS out of Bispin. More training and less mouth running would probably do Bisp a lotta good.

My final comment is I wish there were more GSPs and fewer Lesners in the UFC, but it'll never happen with White running the show. (Who cares about things like sportsmanship and class when there is MONEY to be made?? ;))

[elder999]

I would have no objection to Brock's size if it was natural but he is so very obviously a (slobbering) roid-monster.

I want to see Dana show some intengrity (bwaaaahahhahah I crack myself up sometimes....) and make Brock be CLEAN before he fights.)

What's obvious about it? Granted, the guy's huge. He' always been huge. Other than his muscularity, though, he displays none of the outward effects of steroid use: no acne on the back or otherwise, no puffed cheeks, no hyper-vascularity. The UFC drug tests regularly, and he's never been busted. Granted, again, he's hyper-muscular, but that really can be accomplished naturally, even to the extent the he has, with the right training and genetics.

[Twin Fist]

wasnt lesner the same size in college that he is now? and in college, they ARE tested.

maybe Lesner is just THAT big and THAT strong

[AceHBK]

I don't like Lesnar at all but that is one big S.O.B.
I won't say he does P.E.D.'s because he hasn't come up dirty to my knowledge and I'm sure if he did the news would be out there big time. Due to his size and the sport I am sure he is getting tested like crazy and from what I can see in the past, the guy has stayed the same size.


I don't like him b/c of his attitude and arrogance and I will leave it at that. Kimbo Slice showed more respect in the ring.

[Brian King]

Bisping was not only out but he was out for a very long time. Many never come back to the game after an incident like that. It will be interesting to see if he can make the mental adjustments to return to the sport at the level he was performing at or if the knockout was the beginning of the end for him. I thought Bisping was an all right bloke during his time in the TUF house but I thought he was a jerk and idiot and mentally weak as a coach. All that smack talking (fear battling ego), throwing a cup of water at that American fighter as he walked by him (childish and petty) and ‘oversleeping’ and missing his fighters fight (lack of maturity and selfishness if he did indeed ‘sleep' right through the fight) gave great insight to Bisping as a man and competitor which is why I will be interested to see how his sports career progresses from this devastating and humiliating loss.
　
I thought the PPV was pretty good this time with good quality fights. It was great that those talking the most smack ended up losing and losing badly, it is fine trying to push buttons and get into your opponents head but if you are going to talk loud and big about yourself and small about your opponent, it works best if you can back it up. I thought that Mir gave a good honest interview immediately after the fight while still in the ring. He seems to have the right mental outlook and if so will be back and will continue to improve. I thought the first fight between Belcher and Akiyama was a decent fight but that Belcher got robbed by the judges…proving that a knockout or submission beats out politics, not enough to hope to win. I thought that GSP’s corner was the best that I have seen in a VERY long time. I thought Lesnar has been taking a lot of abuse in the sports press and forums and who knows what other harassments and he went out with something to prove and proved it. His actions afterward I think guaranteed a higher viewer turnout for the next PPV he is in. He is an amazing athlete in my opinion. As far as him being too big or strong…it is a sport with rules, it seems silly to hate someone for being able to dominate while following those rules, but, what do I know I do not follow the sport that closely.

Regards
Brian King

[Omar B]

Brock's not using, look at his stomach, he doesn't have "steroid gut."

[celtic_crippler]

I've watched every Lesnar fight, his attitude has gotten progressively worse with the each reception he's recieved by both the crowds and the fighters.

He's received absolutely no respect from either, so why would you expect him to give it?

Not saying I endorse his attitude, but I can see how and why it developed.

I too would prefer more GSPs but that ain't gonna happen.

[Makalakumu]

To say that Brock won because of his size diminishes the skill he showed in the fight, IMO. What I saw him do was brilliant wrestling. Brock used his body like a net to hold Frank down and punch him. When Frank moved to get a better position, Brock checked him at every step. He showed great awareness of his opponents positions and his drilling was obviously spot on when it came to the counters. Watch the fight again and watch how Brock uses his head to not only bludgeon Frank, but to also pin his upper body so his hands and feet could counter Frank's position. With that kind of wrestling skill and those kinds of punches, he is going to be very hard to beat on the ground. It's going to take someone who is very explosive and strong in order to pop a good position and go for a sub on Lesnar. I think Randy's strategy of keeping him up in the clinch against the fence has merit. Take away his ability to take you down at will and out position you on the ground and beat the crap out of you.

[Stac3y]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31878284/ns/sports-other_sports/

[zDom]

What's obvious about it? Granted, the guy's huge. He' always been huge. Other than his muscularity, though, he displays none of the outward effects of steroid use: no acne on the back or otherwise, no puffed cheeks, no hyper-vascularity. The UFC drug tests regularly, and he's never been busted. Granted, again, he's hyper-muscular, but that really can be accomplished naturally, even to the extent the he has, with the right training and genetics.

We'll see ;)

[Tez3]

Dave Jackson, Bisping's MT at Wolfslair has said he received a text from him saying he's OK, there was a lot of concern after that KO.
Mikey usually posts up on one of the UK forums after a fight so I'll let you know what he said.
It's fine people giving him grief for his fighting abilities, coaching and his manner but some of the forums have been slagging him off for his nationality which shows a lot of childishness. You can't judge all Brits by him and I'm sure those fans wouldn't want Americans to be judged by Lesnar!
This at least is one place where we don't get that rubbish!

[DavidCC]

can you stop Clark Kent form posting spoilers dammit

[Tez3]

can you stop Clark Kent form posting spoilers dammit

yes please!

[PurpleParham84]

Now I hate Lesnar just as much as the next guy, and I would love to see a fight between him and Fedor. But, I don't think that will happen. Dana says he WANTS Fedor and he is going to get him. But I don't think Fedor will think twice to say no, and I don't blame him. It's a lose/lose situation in the long run.

Think about it. Fedor signs with the UFC, and let's say he wins. Then he just dethroned a monster and a rematch will be another huge PPV payout. So, there goes 2 fights off his (predicting) 2-3 fight deal.

What if he loses the first?!? He won't get an immediate rematch, he wasn't the champion. Then what? He becomes another Cro Cop? Fighting off the rest of his contract and ruining his reputation by coming to the UFC.

I think Fedor is the best in the world. He is the best in the world because he has beat top heavyweights. Just because he dismisses any UFC offers does not discredit his status amongst heavyweights in the world. I don't think he would try to dodge Lesnar either. But he knows winning that fight won't do any wonders for his career, while losing it would put him in the pit of UFC heavyweights and not such a top prospect for any other organization.

Gasp! Done.....My opinions....peace...

[Empty Hands]

prob had something to do with everyone wanting him to fail, everyone talking smack about him, and generally being a jerk to him.

he took a big chance, he worked hard, and he has earned some success.

and the crap still get flung at him.

True, all true.

I still can't stand him.

[Empty Hands]

Lesnar fought Mir before and Mir won.

Lesnar was right. Mir got lucky. You'll notice Lesnar didn't make that mistake or a similar one this time.


This time Lesnar wins and its "oh he is to big blah blah" Ya Lesnar is big he is 265lbs Mir weighs at 245lbs.

No, there is a lot more than 20 lbs difference between them. Lesnar had to drastically cut to reach 265. Most of the estimates I've seen had him fighting at around 290. He trains and walks around at 300+. I don't think Mir cut at all. He would be a fool to do so.

There is no doubt he trained hard, but there is also no doubt that his massive size, strength, and surprising speed and endurance make up for a lack of skill. He compounds that truth by being an enormous jackass. Hence the reactions he gets, which makes the UFC even more money. That is the reason Lesnar got a title shot after only 3 matches in his life, no matter that it made the fans howl. They still watched.

[Empty Hands]

Man I was too happy about that ending and that second shot was even better as he was on the ground.

Speaking of bad behavior and sportsmanship...at least Brock confined it to acting stupid. He didn't take an enormous gratuitous damaging shot at a completely unconscious and helpless opponent. I'm surprised no one has criticized Henderson more for this. No, the ref hadn't got there yet, but his last punch still showed a lack of honor and class. Considering that Bisping was completely unconscious, Henderson could have destroyed his jaw or otherwise seriously injured him. He also admitted that he knew Bisping was unconscious and took the shot anyway. Not cool in my book.

[celtic_crippler]

Controversy sells.

Anyway, I find it interesting how everyone jumps on Lesnar for his childish behavior after this fight yet nobody seems to remember his sportsmanship and respect involved in his fight with Couture.

If you want people to talk and get them pumped to watch another PPV which behavior do you think you'd actually prefer? Which one sells the most tickets?

[Twin Fist]

I cant believe that I am gonn atalk about MMA n anything other than a mocking tone, but

I just watched the lesner Mir fight.

Lesner was smart, patient, and brilliant in sticking to his game plan. He shut down Mir taking him down and staying chest to chest. He waited for the right time and BOOM, unleashed his power

give the man his props

[Twin Fist]

Just watched Besping henderson


Henderson should be looking at a suspension. That second shot was inexcusable

[Tez3]

Just watched Besping henderson


Henderson should be looking at a suspension. That second shot was inexcusable


Haven't seen it but it sounds like it should be a disqualification.
Even if it were accidental, gloating about it is bad form.

[Tez3]

'I'll be back' says Bisping.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/inthering/view/88840/Bisping-I-ll-be-back/

[zDom]

I'm surprised no one has criticized Henderson more for this. No, the ref hadn't got there yet, but his last punch still showed a lack of honor and class. Considering that Bisping was completely unconscious, Henderson could have destroyed his jaw or otherwise seriously injured him. He also admitted that he knew Bisping was unconscious and took the shot anyway. Not cool in my book.

I agree. It was vicious and unsportsmanlike. He's lucky he didn't really injure Bisp as it crossed the line from fighting sport moment into an assault, in my opinion.

I wish the ref would have been a bit more "on the ball" to protect the unconcious fighter. (I'm sure he was just taken by surprise by the knockout and reacted as soon as he could. He DID get there in time to pull Henderson off and prevent ANOTHER shot...)

[zDom]

Controversy sells.

Anyway, I find it interesting how everyone jumps on Lesnar for his childish behavior after this fight yet nobody seems to remember his sportsmanship and respect involved in his fight with Couture.

If you want people to talk and get them pumped to watch another PPV which behavior do you think you'd actually prefer? Which one sells the most tickets?

I disagree. Getting people pumped and selling tickets is no excuse.

As I've stated before, in something like WWF, I think its fine: most reasonable people realize it's all a show and the trash talk is part of that show.

In MMA events, everyone trains hard and risks serious injury and even crippling career-ending injuries, and on a given day ANYONE can make a mistake and end up eating a punch and ending up bleeding on the mat.

They all deserve respect from their opponents.

GSP entertains, he puts on a great fight, he sells tickets. I always go out to watch the events with GSP. And he has, as far as I've seen, always been a great sport, a class act.

[celtic_crippler]

I agree. It was vicious and unsportsmanlike. He's lucky he didn't really injure Bisp as it crossed the line from fighting sport moment into an assault, in my opinion.

I wish the ref would have been a bit more "on the ball" to protect the unconcious fighter. (I'm sure he was just taken by surprise by the knockout and reacted as soon as he could. He DID get there in time to pull Henderson off and prevent ANOTHER shot...)

What?

He followed him down just like any other fighter would when knocking their opponent to the ground. I've seen guys knocked out and take 3-4 shots before the ref pulled them off. I'd say the ref did an outstanding job and Henderson was just doing his job as well.

[Tez3]

What?

He followed him down just like any other fighter would when knocking their opponent to the ground. I've seen guys knocked out and take 3-4 shots before the ref pulled them off. I'd say the ref did an outstanding job and Henderson was just doing his job as well.

It's what he said he did, not anyone elses opinion or what they thought they saw. Henderson said he did it on purpose and he knew Mikey was out. Perhaps it's just talk by him but it's not nice thats for sure.

No ref should be taken by surprise by anything, a KO can come seemingly at random -the so called 'lucky punch' or after a flurry of punches, it can also come from any strike, knee, elbow, kick etc, it should never take the ref by surprise and even i can dive in quick enough to stop more punches being thrown so no excuse for a UFC ref.

[bowser666]

Just watched Besping henderson


Henderson should be looking at a suspension. That second shot was inexcusable


I agree with that 100%. He even admitted it when Rogan asked him. Everyone is talking about how unsportsmanlike Lesnar was yet not many are mentioning the uncalled for strike after Bisping was obviously KO'd. That ref should get suspended as well for not stopping it.

[AceHBK]

I have to agree with Celtic.

Hendo doesn't deserve any type of suspension? There have been numerous guys get hit while being unconscious. You are told to keep going until the ref stops. Henderson hit him and then went for a quick follow up hit. Not like he can stop as he jumped on him.

1. Rich Franklin hit Nate Quarry one more time after he kncked him out and that KO was WAY MORE BRUTAL than Hendo's KO of Bisping. Quarry's legs and toes went stiff!!

2. Josh Koscheck's KO of Yoshiyuki Yoshida (UFC Fight for the troops on Spike). Yoshida was knocked out cold standing up!! Koscheck still knocked him into next week.

3. BJ Penn rematch against Jens Pulver. BJ kept the rear naked choke on Pulver a good while after he tapped and the ref had to pull BJ off of him.

There are a ton on more examples, just watch UFC Ultimate Knockouts. Guys have been well KO'd but got hit with another shot or 2 UNTIL the ref got them off.

This is a barberic sport, let not forget this. Emotions and all that go into it. You can't just expect a guy to "TURN IT OFF" when a opponent looks done. That is what the ref is there for. Let the ref earn his paycheck.

Last example.....Pete Sell vs. Scott Smith. Sell could have stopped but he didn't and ran into a right hook that Smith delivered.

[AceHBK]

I agree with that 100%. He even admitted it when Rogan asked him. Everyone is talking about how unsportsmanlike Lesnar was yet not many are mentioning the uncalled for strike after Bisping was obviously KO'd. That ref should get suspended as well for not stopping it.

Henderson stated on MMA Live he could tell he was out but by that time he had already pounced on him and was too late.

[Stac3y]

It's what he said he did, not anyone elses opinion or what they thought they saw. Henderson said he did it on purpose and he knew Mikey was out. Perhaps it's just talk by him but it's not nice thats for sure.

No ref should be taken by surprise by anything, a KO can come seemingly at random -the so called 'lucky punch' or after a flurry of punches, it can also come from any strike, knee, elbow, kick etc, it should never take the ref by surprise and even i can dive in quick enough to stop more punches being thrown so no excuse for a UFC ref.

I agree that the ref shouldn't be taken by surprise, but I thought the ref did a great job in this fight--he got Henderson off after just one shot beyond the knockout. Henderson was trying to hit again--the ref may have saved a life. On the other hand, the ref failed big time in the Lesner/Mir fight, IMO. Lesner put in at least 3 shots after Mir was clearly down for the count, and as big as Lesner is, I think Mir is lucky not to have been badly hurt.

[Tez3]

I have to agree with Celtic.

Hendo doesn't deserve any type of suspension? There have been numerous guys get hit while being unconscious. You are told to keep going until the ref stops. Henderson hit him and then went for a quick follow up hit. Not like he can stop as he jumped on him.

1. Rich Franklin hit Nate Quarry one more time after he kncked him out and that KO was WAY MORE BRUTAL than Hendo's KO of Bisping. Quarry's legs and toes went stiff!!

2. Josh Koscheck's KO of Yoshiyuki Yoshida (UFC Fight for the troops on Spike). Yoshida was knocked out cold standing up!! Koscheck still knocked him into next week.

3. BJ Penn rematch against Jens Pulver. BJ kept the rear naked choke on Pulver a good while after he tapped and the ref had to pull BJ off of him.

There are a ton on more examples, just watch UFC Ultimate Knockouts. Guys have been well KO'd but got hit with another shot or 2 UNTIL the ref got them off.

This is a barberic sport, let not forget this. Emotions and all that go into it. You can't just expect a guy to "TURN IT OFF" when a opponent looks done. That is what the ref is there for. Let the ref earn his paycheck.

Last example.....Pete Sell vs. Scott Smith. Sell could have stopped but he didn't and ran into a right hook that Smith delivered.


I think you are missing the point, according to Henderson it wasn't done in the heat of the fight it was done on purpose knowing that the other fighter was already out. As he says 'I did it to shut him up', I'm afraid he's condemned himself with his own words.

I would take issue with you over your description of my sport as 'barbaric', it's not, it's full contact martial arts, you sound like all those people you say it's human cock fighting.

[AceHBK]

I think you are missing the point, according to Henderson it wasn't done in the heat of the fight it was done on purpose knowing that the other fighter was already out. As he says 'I did it to shut him up', I'm afraid he's condemned himself with his own words.

I would take issue with you over your description of my sport as 'barbaric', it's not, it's full contact martial arts, you sound like all those people you say it's human cock fighting.

Watch ESPN's MMA Live's post fight show where he talked about it. Again to me, the Ref is there to stop it.

Hey I call boxing barbaric. I won't even argue with the term "human cock fighting" as John McCain called it. It is what it is. A lot better than what it was when it 1st started. I enjoy it but it is what it is.

[celtic_crippler]

I disagree. Getting people pumped and selling tickets is no excuse.

As I've stated before, in something like WWF, I think its fine: most reasonable people realize it's all a show and the trash talk is part of that show.

In MMA events, everyone trains hard and risks serious injury and even crippling career-ending injuries, and on a given day ANYONE can make a mistake and end up eating a punch and ending up bleeding on the mat.

They all deserve respect from their opponents.

GSP entertains, he puts on a great fight, he sells tickets. I always go out to watch the events with GSP. And he has, as far as I've seen, always been a great sport, a class act.

I NEVER said I endorsed his behavior or said it was an excuse.

I simply pointed out what I thought was obvious but not being picked up on by many.

The ulimate goal of any business endeavor is to maximize profit (ECO101).

I did state earlier; however, that I personally would prefer mor "GSPs" over more "Lesnars".

Just setting the record straight. :)


It's what he said he did, not anyone elses opinion or what they thought they saw. Henderson said he did it on purpose and he knew Mikey was out. Perhaps it's just talk by him but it's not nice thats for sure.

No ref should be taken by surprise by anything, a KO can come seemingly at random -the so called 'lucky punch' or after a flurry of punches, it can also come from any strike, knee, elbow, kick etc, it should never take the ref by surprise and even i can dive in quick enough to stop more punches being thrown so no excuse for a UFC ref.

You got a link? I watched the fight and don't remember him saying he meant to do anything "wrong."

No ref should be taken by surprise, but all ref's are human. It's a simple matter of physiology. The eye "sees" and the message is sent to the brain where the brain makes a decision and then sends another message to go into action. All of which takes time, much more time than needed to follow up on an offensive maneuver.

Put simply, the ref can only react within human limits. And, unless you're the Flash...you ain't gonna stop the fight that quickly. So, as I believe they say in your country, "go on...pull the other one." :)

[celtic_crippler]

Watch ESPN's MMA Live's post fight show where he talked about it. Again to me, the Ref is there to stop it.

Hey I call boxing barbaric. I won't even argue with the term "human cock fighting" as John McCain called it. It is what it is. A lot better than what it was when it 1st started. I enjoy it but it is what it is.

I don't agree with the "cock-fighting" statement. Roosters are forced to fight to the death for the entertainment of a few sick folks...nobody forces these guys to fight.

They also introduced a huge amount of rules and also weight classes to make it more evenly matched and in the interest of the safety of the competitors.

[Empty Hands]

You got a link? I watched the fight and don't remember him saying he meant to do anything "wrong."

"Normally I'm not that way in fights. I know if the guy's out, I tend to stop. I hit him hard but I got that last blow in just to shut him up a little bit." Link (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/ufc/2530787/Michael-Bisping-suffers-brutal-knockout-at-the-hands-of-Dan-Henderson-at-UFC-100.html)

[AceHBK]

I don't agree with the "cock-fighting" statement. Roosters are forced to fight to the death for the entertainment of a few sick folks...nobody forces these guys to fight.

They also introduced a huge amount of rules and also weight classes to make it more evenly matched and in the interest of the safety of the competitors.

i stand corrected. good point

[Carol]

"Normally I'm not that way in fights. I know if the guy's out, I tend to stop. I hit him hard but I got that last blow in just to shut him up a little bit." Link (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/ufc/2530787/Michael-Bisping-suffers-brutal-knockout-at-the-hands-of-Dan-Henderson-at-UFC-100.html)

I don't think Henderson did anything wrong, but I do think he should be investigated...just to shut him up a little bit :lol2:

[AceHBK]

"Normally I'm not that way in fights. I know if the guy's out, I tend to stop. I hit him hard but I got that last blow in just to shut him up a little bit." Link (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/ufc/2530787/Michael-Bisping-suffers-brutal-knockout-at-the-hands-of-Dan-Henderson-at-UFC-100.html)


Here is the clip of Hendo on ESPN's MMA Live where he talks about the last blow. Just look at the countdown of time left in the clip and it is at 28:00.

Hendo states it wasn't till he was in the air getting ready to hit him again that he noticed that he was out but by then it's too late.

http://espn.go.com/video/category?id=3461971


I think the main issue that hasn't been discussed is the fighter preparation at Wolfslair gym. This is now the 3rd time we have seen a fighter from that guy come out under prepared.

Rampage in his own words over trained for the fight he had with Keith Jardine. Stated that his camp pushed him way too much and it showed in his fight.

Cheick Congo too a fight late and was just unprepared for the ground in his fight against Cain Velasquez. A fight which his camp knew full well would go to the ground and was ill prepared. That put the brakes on him having a title shot.

Michael Bisping spends the whole fight circling to his left which is Dan's right and it is only a matter of time before he gets caught with it.

3 good examples where you have to wonder what is going on at Wolfslair and why aren't guys be prepared correctly.


BTW...Hated seeing Mir loose but the guy looked in phenominal shape.

[Empty Hands]

Hendo states it wasn't till he was in the air getting ready to hit him again that he noticed that he was out but by then it's too late.

The quote I posted was from the immediate post-fight interview with Rogan. Sounds like he was backpeddling in later interviews.

[Carol]

Originally I was going to watch the fights at home, but decided at the last minute to catch them at Chili's instead. Couldn't hear much for sound so I didn't catch Lesnar's post-fight interview. I'm kinda glad I didn't. Bad sportsmanship gets to me, in any sport, including the former Red Sox players that somehow confused their wives with punching bags. :rolleyes:

All that aside, Brock Lesnar's game was ON, and so was Henderson's. Hendo's fight looked fair to me when it was happening live. Nasty KO, but still looked fair. Sounds to me like he was trumping up the story for the press at the end of the fight.

Do I like it? No, I wish these guys would just STFU and fight, and leave the drama to daytime soaps and pro wrestling shows. But...I'm prolly not going to get my wish. :lol:

[crushing]

The quote I posted was from the immediate post-fight interview with Rogan. Sounds like he was backpeddling in later interviews.

Maybe the immediate post-fight interview had him forepeddling? Only after the excitement and adrenaline had died down did he have some time to reflect on what really happened during the fight? Only Henderson knows for sure.

Anyway, I've seen guys look like they were knocked out, only to recover quickly and make a fight of it. Just recently, I don't recall the fight (Brown v. Faber?), one guy kick the other square in the jaw. The guy that got kicked fell back and was out for a few moments. Rather than jump on the opportunity the kicker thought there was going to be a stoppage, only to see the guy that looked knocked out jump back to his feet and, if I recall correctly, force a decision by the judges.

Had Bisping quickly recovered like the guy in the other fight and somehow managed to get something in on Henderson, we would be talking about what a mistake Henderson made and how he lacked the instinct to finish off Bisping.

[Tez3]

Watch ESPN's MMA Live's post fight show where he talked about it. Again to me, the Ref is there to stop it.

Hey I call boxing barbaric. I won't even argue with the term "human cock fighting" as John McCain called it. It is what it is. A lot better than what it was when it 1st started. I enjoy it but it is what it is.


It is what it is? Mmm, so you don't actually participate other than watching and passing opinions on others. if you think it's barbaric then you haven't seen full contact karate and I suppose you think Dog Brothers are also barbaric.Muay Thai? martial arts are what they are, we don't all prance around doing points sparring you know.

Whether Henderson did know Bisping was out when he hit him again or whether it was machismo talking afterwards it still leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Bisping's corner said he was unconcious for 2 minutes before coming round.

[Skpotamus]

Henderson said a long time ago in his Pride days that he didn't like to talk smack about other fighters and when they talked about him, he would remember in the ring. You can see how he acts against fighters he doesn't like, against Wanderlei silva, he landed quite a few shots when silva was out.

Even if he saw that Bisping was out and threw it intentionally, the fight hadn't been called off, the instant the ref touched Henderson to stop it, Hendo quit hitting. Nothing Illegal about it. Compare that to most other fighters who land 4 or 5 shots to an unconscious fighter. As for bad sportsmanship, well during the entire TUF show, Bisping was taunting and smack talking henderson. That's the stuff we saw, how much do you think was cut? Maybe this will teach bisping to show his opponents some respect in the future instead of trying to piss them off.

[celtic_crippler]

I don't hold any ill towards Hendo at all.

"He who hesitates, meditates in a horizontal position." Just ask Bizzy. LOL

And yeah...he was out for a loooong time and then had to be guided out of the ring.

In all seriousness...I hope he gets his head examined. He could have suffered some serious trauma.

[Tez3]

Here is the clip of Hendo on ESPN's MMA Live where he talks about the last blow. Just look at the countdown of time left in the clip and it is at 28:00.

Hendo states it wasn't till he was in the air getting ready to hit him again that he noticed that he was out but by then it's too late.

http://espn.go.com/video/category?id=3461971


I think the main issue that hasn't been discussed is the fighter preparation at Wolfslair gym. This is now the 3rd time we have seen a fighter from that guy come out under prepared.

Rampage in his own words over trained for the fight he had with Keith Jardine. Stated that his camp pushed him way too much and it showed in his fight.

Cheick Congo too a fight late and was just unprepared for the ground in his fight against Cain Velasquez. A fight which his camp knew full well would go to the ground and was ill prepared. That put the brakes on him having a title shot.

Michael Bisping spends the whole fight circling to his left which is Dan's right and it is only a matter of time before he gets caught with it.

3 good examples where you have to wonder what is going on at Wolfslair and why aren't guys be prepared correctly.


BTW...Hated seeing Mir loose but the guy looked in phenominal shape.

I'll put your points to them and see what they say.

[Tez3]

Henderson said a long time ago in his Pride days that he didn't like to talk smack about other fighters and when they talked about him, he would remember in the ring. You can see how he acts against fighters he doesn't like, against Wanderlei silva, he landed quite a few shots when silva was out.

Even if he saw that Bisping was out and threw it intentionally, the fight hadn't been called off, the instant the ref touched Henderson to stop it, Hendo quit hitting. Nothing Illegal about it. Compare that to most other fighters who land 4 or 5 shots to an unconscious fighter. As for bad sportsmanship, well during the entire TUF show, Bisping was taunting and smack talking henderson. That's the stuff we saw, how much do you think was cut? Maybe this will teach bisping to show his opponents some respect in the future instead of trying to piss them off.


I very much doubt it, he's been like it from the start of his career when he had his pro debut on our show, if you wonder where it comes from you need to see his father. he brought a female fighter he'd trained to another of our shows a few months later and I got a mouthful then because I suggested she may like a separate room from the men to change in, courtesy as I thought but certainly not a sexist remark coming from me.

[zDom]

Henderson said a long time ago in his Pride days that he didn't like to talk smack about other fighters and when they talked about him, he would remember in the ring. You can see how he acts against fighters he doesn't like, against Wanderlei silva, he landed quite a few shots when silva was out.

Even if he saw that Bisping was out and threw it intentionally, the fight hadn't been called off, the instant the ref touched Henderson to stop it, Hendo quit hitting. Nothing Illegal about it. Compare that to most other fighters who land 4 or 5 shots to an unconscious fighter. As for bad sportsmanship, well during the entire TUF show, Bisping was taunting and smack talking henderson. That's the stuff we saw, how much do you think was cut? Maybe this will teach bisping to show his opponents some respect in the future instead of trying to piss them off.

What is legal and what is the right thing to do are not always the same.

Trying to win a game is fine. Intentionally trying to cause great physical harm by striking someone you KNOW is out cold is WRONG, legal or not.

Bisping does need to learn respect but I doubt that this will teach him anything anyway.

Those are my opinions. Like certain body parts, everyone has them ;)

[cypher]

I don't like the way he exited the WWE after everything they gave him. It seems his attitude has not changed. HE doesn't interview all that well either. Next time, perhaps Dana should pick a champion that can represent the prestige of UFC properly. I give props where they are due, the man can MOVE but his attitude and post fight actions show him to be very immature. And of COURSE he gets the hot chick...

[jarrod]

Next time, perhaps Dana should pick a champion that can represent the prestige of UFC properly.

i think he already has.

jf

[AceHBK]

And of COURSE he gets the hot chick...

Sable isn't hot anymore. She was back in her WWF days when she was posing for Playboy though.