Mandarin Chinese Martial Arts Titles

[Matt Stone]

The discussion of titles came up in another thread, so here is what I know of the proper use and application of Chinese titles:

In Pinyin, they go like this -

Shifu = teacher
Shimu = teacher's wife
Shizhang = teacher's husband
Shixiong = elder male student of same teacher
Shijie = elder female student of same teacher
Shidi = younger male student/classmate of same teacher
Shimei = younger female student/classmate of same teacher

If I study under Shifu, I am Shidi to my seniors (who are Shixiong and Shijie to me) and Shixiong to my juniors (who are Shidi and Shimei to me).

If I train with/under one of my Shixiong/Shijie, then they remain Shixiong/Shijie to me, but are Shifu to their own students.

The problem I am running into, and one I need to research, is what my Shixiong's/Shijie's students, with and under whom I also train, are supposed to call me... :confused:

I'll post as soon as I get it figured out.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[chufeng]

Furhgedabouditt.....

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by chufeng
Furhgedabouditt.....

Purely academic and rhetorical inquiry. It will not change in the least how I have folks refer to me... Little Fatty is just fine. I just have to figure out how to say it in Mandarin!

Little Fatty
Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[Jill666]

Shimei sounds very pretty. I like it.

Better than what my classamtes usually call me. :boing2:

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by Jill666
Shimei sounds very pretty. I like it.

Better than what my classamtes usually call me. :boing2:

I hope I don't sound weird by saying this, but there is something about both Japanese and Chinese when it is spoken by a woman with a beautiful voice... Neither language sounds special when spoken by a man, but when a woman speaks them, they take on a special sound.

The Beijing dialect of Mandarin adds interesting variations to "regular" Mandarin, too.

[MinnieMin]

Originally posted by Yiliquan1
The discussion of titles came up in another thread, so here is what I know of the proper use and application of Chinese titles:

In Pinyin, they go like this -

Shifu = teacher
Shimu = teacher's wife
Shizhang = teacher's husband
Shixiong = elder male student of same teacher
Shijie = elder female student of same teacher
Shidi = younger male student/classmate of same teacher
Shimei = younger female student/classmate of same teacher

If I study under Shifu, I am Shidi to my seniors (who are Shixiong and Shijie to me) and Shixiong to my juniors (who are Shidi and Shimei to me).

If I train with/under one of my Shixiong/Shijie, then they remain Shixiong/Shijie to me, but are Shifu to their own students.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:
Your Shixiong's students should call you shi shu and your shijie's students should call you shijiu. I"m just guessing.
I have heard people using Sifu instead of Shifu. oh gosh,it hurts my ears.

[arnisador]

Originally posted by MinnieMin
I have heard people using Sifu instead of Shifu. oh gosh,it hurts my ears.

Does it mean something else, or just nothing at all?

[MinnieMin]

Originally posted by arnisador
Does it mean something else, or just nothing at all?

It's same meaning but with a wrong pronunciation, (wrong Pin Yin) and the sound is just not quite pleasing to me. (there is nothing wrong about it, just me :) )
Jackie Chan calls Sifu and Jet Li calls Shifu - that's how I pronounce the word.

Min :asian:

[Matt Stone]

Min -

Is there any way you could provide me with the characters? I am big on at least making an effort at really knowing what I'm talking about, especially in regards to languages I'm not fluent in.

If I know what characters I am looking for, I can research them on www.zhongwen.com and be able to read them in their correct form, rather than just Pinyin.

Thanks for the info!

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[MinnieMin]

I will try.

[MinnieMin]

Here you go. Please see attached GIF file.

[Matt Stone]

Okay, so shishu is what my shixiong's students call me, and shijie's students call me shijiu.

So what do their students call a female senior with the same teacher as their teacher?

I'm getting a headache... :rolleyes:

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[MinnieMin]

Originally posted by Yiliquan1
Okay, so shishu is what my shixiong's students call me, and shijie's students call me shijiu.

So what do their students call a female senior with the same teacher as their teacher?

I'm getting a headache... :rolleyes:

Gambarimasu.
:asian:


Let me guess, male senior should call Shi Yie, (yie, grandfather) if it's female senior, I guess it should be Shi Nai (nai, grandmother) but I had never heard such call. LOL

:boing2:

Min

[MinnieMin]

Originally posted by Yiliquan1

I'm getting a headache... :rolleyes:

Gambarimasu.
:asian:


Sorry, got you headache, but that's how Chinese people call their relatives. :D
The titles that we heard often are the lists you had at your first post, and plus Shi shu. That'll do.

Min :asian: