Over kill Kicks

[terryl965]

What would be the most popular kick for S.D. principles, overall between all the styles. I would imagine a leg kick or a good knee. What does every one think?

[Empty Hands]

I agree with leg kick, generally to the outside of the lead leg. Unless they are a martial artist, they generally won't expect it, as most people focus on the hands in a fight. It's also harder to block and defend against, again unless you are trained. It also has the added benefit of hindering your opponent's mobility so you can safely hoof it if the situation is dangerous. Plus, if the situation warrants it, it's not difficult to make this strike crippling.

[qwksilver61]

so long as you don't telegraph,some people are keen to the shoulder drop,use your knee only when you are sure of placement and range,it helps to be limber too.and qwick

[Tez3]

Front snap kick to the knee. Knee cap then goes backwards, big ouch.
A stamp on the foot might not be a kick but works wonders.

[Empty Hands]

Front snap kick to the knee. Knee cap then goes backwards, big ouch.

I would only disagree because the targeting must be precise. A roundhouse kick to the side of the knee is just as disabling, and easier to pull off under pressure. It would be a bit slower than the front kick, though.

[K-man]

Front snap kick to the knee. Knee cap then goes backwards, big ouch.


Good call but only if the knee is locked. If the knee is bent you won't cause much damage. There is no protection against a kick to the side of the knee.

In a real situation forget fancy, take out the leg or groin.

[Drac]

A quick front snap to the shin is my favorite distance weapon, knee strikes for close up...

[seasoned]

A low side kick in a stomping fashion to the opponents knee. It can be done very close to their inside or outside knee joint.

[terryl965]

A good ole fashion foot stromp works well two.

[Deaf Smith]

A toe kick is a good one. It's very simple and you go for the shins. Another is the stomp kick where you go for the instep.

But being a martial artist, I prefer the low side kick for the knee and shin. If practiced alot, you can break a 2x4 with that kick and it does not matter where you hit the other guys leg, you will break it.

Deaf

[Drac]

Another is the stomp kick where you go for the instep.

Yes..Very effective...

[seasoned]

A toe kick is a good one. It's very simple and you go for the shins. Another is the stomp kick where you go for the instep.

But being a martial artist, I prefer the low side kick for the knee and shin. If practiced alot, you can break a 2x4 with that kick and it does not matter where you hit the other guys leg, you will break it.

Deaf

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[searcher]

I like the idea of front kicking the kneecap, but the weapon to target accuracy on a moving target gives a lower probability of hitting home.

The roundhouse to the side of the leg is my choice. Easy to hit the target and it is extremely effective in a SD scenario.

[mook jong man]

I prefer a low heel kick to the shin , followed by a hook kick to the thigh . Its just like walking and can be done in 1 second or less .

[Uchinanchu]

A toe kick is a good one. It's very simple and you go for the shins. Another is the stomp kick where you go for the instep.

But being a martial artist, I prefer the low side kick for the knee and shin. If practiced alot, you can break a 2x4 with that kick and it does not matter where you hit the other guys leg, you will break it.

Deaf
I'm afraid I must disagree with you on that last part. It depends on the type of individual you are kicking. Some (more like a few, thank God) can actually take the hardest kick you can throw, and not only take it, but look back at you with a grin on their face. Not only that, but your leg feels like it just came into contact with a steel pole!
As for the toe kick, it is best used against the softer regions of the body, such as the stomach or upper thigh area (in my experience and humble opinion).
Yoroshiku

[KempoGuy06]

What would be the most popular kick for S.D. principles, overall between all the styles. I would imagine a leg kick or a good knee. What does every one think?
I would agree with a good leg kick to the knee region, or a quick front instep to the groin

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[MJS]

I have to go with the good old front kick. From a slightly bladed stance, it can be delivered with the front or rear leg. Targets would be the groin or shin. Of course, slightly turning the foot could change that front kick to an arch kick and then into a stomp.

Something to keep in mind...the kick, depending on the target, probably won't cause enough damage to be considered a fight ender, but instead, something to cause enough pain and distraction to follow up with other kicks and/or strikes.

Now, my choice of kicks, does not mean that I'm taking anything away from a roundhouse or side kick. Alot is going to depend on the position that you're in prior to executing the kick. IMO, I don't want to telegraph anything or give the other person any clue as to what I am attempting.

[snoack]

I think a lot of this depends on how sharp your technique is, your quickness, location/distance to your optimal target, and what level of training your opponent may or may not have had.

Personally, I can stick a wheel/reverse hook kick on somebody's jaw or temple from a position inside of arm's length, or a good quick reverse side kick that will knock the wind out of them from the same distance. I prefer these because it's easy to create a sense of misdirection with them.

[Deaf Smith]

I'm afraid I must disagree with you on that last part. It depends on the type of individual you are kicking. Some (more like a few, thank God) can actually take the hardest kick you can throw, and not only take it, but look back at you with a grin on their face. Not only that, but your leg feels like it just came into contact with a steel pole!.

Yoroshiku,

I hope I never meet that individual cause I doubt any kick I do will really hurt them!

Deaf

[astrobiologist]

Guess I just fight dirty, because if someone's trying to rob or hurt me I'm going to plant one right in the groin hard and quick. After that, knees to the groin and abdomin, kicks to the knees and thighs, stomps on the ankles and feet... all become easy once they are stunned a little. As for kicking the shin to do damage, maybe when wearing shoes, but, even at that, there are many people who can take a good shin strike or ten. I think the shin will not be a primary low target on my list.

I think we're all pretty much in the same boat as far as the low kicks are concerned. Being able to do a back kick to someone's chest or a jump kick to their head does not make it an optimal approach. When it comes to fighting for my life or for what I know is right, then, for the most part, I'll stick to the ol' "legs strike low, arms strike high" when it comes to taking care of the situation.

[MJS]

Perhaps it would be good to figure out exactly at what point we're executing these kicks. My perspective was more along the lines of a pre-emptive strike. So, going on that, we would normally be in a 'stance' that is non aggressive, hands up, with palms open. We start turning sideways or positioning ourselves like a martial artist would, that is probably going to tip the bad guy off.

Now, if we're talking about a situation where we're already engaged in a fight, then of course our choice of kicks is greater. Of course, I am not fond of doing anything that has a high risk of putting ourselves at a disadvantage.

Regarding damage and what type of kicks someone can take....I don't like to bank on the 1 shot-1 kill way of thinking. Not saying it can't happen, but I think we may be setting ourselves up to fail if we assume our hit will KO the guy. Instead, I like to use a series of strikes and kicks, setting each of them up. Ex: From the pre-emptive position, I fire the low line shin kick, followed by a palm to the face, followed by an elbow, followed by.....

As far as conditioning goes....while I do feel that its good to prepare ourselves for the worst case scenario, I don't assume that everyone that may attack me will be built like Arnold and take the time to condition their body like a pro MMA fighter might. Again, not saying that could never happen, but I doubt that case would be the norm.

[Tez3]

I would only disagree because the targeting must be precise. A roundhouse kick to the side of the knee is just as disabling, and easier to pull off under pressure. It would be a bit slower than the front kick, though.

Oh it works lol! Oops did I say that out loud?

I'm wary of groin kicks as if a man is coming to attack a woman they are usually prepared for that kick, women are always being told to 'kick em where it hurts'.

[Touch Of Death]

Low roundhouse to the calf to take out his base. I would argue it is your most common opportunity
Sean

[Tez3]

Low roundhouse to the calf to take out his base. I would argue it is your most common opportunity
Sean


Won't work if he's a six foot five rugby playing Fijian soldier. I've seen them take baton strikes across the legs and not even flinch. Frankly very little will take them out. Especially when they are fighting drunk.

[Touch Of Death]

Won't work if he's a six foot five rugby playing Fijian soldier. I've seen them take baton strikes across the legs and not even flinch. Frankly very little will take them out. Especially when they are fighting drunk.Swing as there eyes with your finger tips, then do the sweep. They will do it to themselves.
Sean

[HM2PAC]

My preferences:

1. Front snap-kick to the groin.

2. Side-kick to the groin.

3. Inner Knee-Shin Rake-Foot Stomp. Basically hit the inner knee and continue down the shin till you land on the foot. *(I can unfortunately vouch for it's effectiveness.)

[Tez3]

Swing as there eyes with your finger tips, then do the sweep. They will do it to themselves.
Sean

Mmmm, you've not met many Fijians have you lol? Good soldiers, nice Christian lads when sober, drunk. . . . a complete and utter nightmare.


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It will take as many of six of us to take one guy down unless there's a chief available, then they'll do as they are told.
I don't kid myself I can take one, the best I can do is talk 'as an older mother type woman'
They are warriors through and through, they will fight on the battlefield and on the street. If you flicked your fingers at these guys eyes they may blink but they'd have you all the same.

[shihansmurf]

Thrusting side kick, striking surface being the heel.
Target, of course, anywhere you kick the person.
The kick works great against the ankle/shin of the lead leg. Its a wonderful tool for demolishing the knee of that same leg. With an adjustment step it can take the rear leg targets very deceptively. The move can jam the hip, works well as a counter to the groin of a kicker, is a perfect fit for the pelvic shelf or the floating ribs, and will make a person pee blood if you deliver a shot to the kidney. The spine is a great target as is any point on the head, should it become available.

The sidekick can be set up in so many ways and executed even in close that I find it is a workhorse. I'm fond of a lead hand grab to the opponents lead hand and kicking with my lead into the body.

Using the side kick as an stop hit is a great tactic as well.

Big fan of the side kick.

Note that you could also insert the thrusting front kick into almost every place I wrote side kick. I like pushing kicks.
Mark.

[mook jong man]

Mmmm, you've not met many Fijians have you lol? Good soldiers, nice Christian lads when sober, drunk. . . . a complete and utter nightmare.


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It will take as many of six of us to take one guy down unless there's a chief available, then they'll do as they are told.
I don't kid myself I can take one, the best I can do is talk 'as an older mother type woman'
They are warriors through and through, they will fight on the battlefield and on the street. If you flicked your fingers at these guys eyes they may blink but they'd have you all the same.

Your not wrong , and their cousins the Tongans and the Samoans are exactly the same .
One of my students got into a fight with a Tongan and was punching him from one side of the street to the other before the bloke would go down .

[Tez3]

Your not wrong , and their cousins the Tongans and the Samoans are exactly the same .
One of my students got into a fight with a Tongan and was punching him from one side of the street to the other before the bloke would go down .


The Pacific Islands certainly know how to produce warriors! They are hugely brave in combat, with one soldier recently winning the VC in Afghanistan but their attitudes towards women and drink mean fighting is a huge problem in the local clubs and pubs. The best way we've found to end fights is to bring the dog handlers in.
Kicking these guys is like kicking tree trunks, however they are actually very 'fair' fighters, it's one on one, they won't jump you in a group and will only use fists no broken glasses, bottles etc.

[mozzandherb]

I think a turning kick to the outside of the knee might be effective, and of course a good front kick to the groin would be effective

[Tez3]

I think a turning kick to the outside of the knee might be effective, and of course a good front kick to the groin would be effective
If I was stood in front of you yelling and being threatenng the first thing you'd do, probably subconciously is move your legs to protect your groin. I agree groin kicks are very effective if you can make them connect but more often than not if the aggressor is male it's the first part he thinks of guarding so they are difficult to make work. If you are the aggressor you have more chance.

[Touch Of Death]

Mmmm, you've not met many Fijians have you lol? Good soldiers, nice Christian lads when sober, drunk. . . . a complete and utter nightmare.


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It will take as many of six of us to take one guy down unless there's a chief available, then they'll do as they are told.
I don't kid myself I can take one, the best I can do is talk 'as an older mother type woman'
They are warriors through and through, they will fight on the battlefield and on the street. If you flicked your fingers at these guys eyes they may blink but they'd have you all the same.My point is you should kick them once they take the weight off that leg for any variety of reasons. It happens.
Sean

[Tez3]

My point is you should kick them once they take the weight off that leg for any variety of reasons. It happens.
Sean

Like having an extendable baton whacked round his leg so he lifts it and still stands solid? We tried that. Beside kicking them as I said is like kicking tree trunks who laugh at you.