Hi, i was just wondering. I'd like to ask a question and would like replies without bias involved, do not simpley say judo is most effective because you study judo. Maybe people who do/have studied various arts could comment upon this subject.

But which Martial Art, if any, is most effective when you are out in the street? And which least effective? Are they all very close? Or does one prepare you for attack and prepare you for how to deal with the attack more than all of the others?

Comments are all appreciated... Thanks :asian:

I think this has been covered in depth a number of times. The is NO most effective art, what maters is how hard you train and what you come from training being able to do.




Despair Bear

Originally posted by Despairbear
I think this has been covered in depth a number of times. The is NO most effective art, what maters is how hard you train and what you come from training being able to do.




Despair Bear

Agreed.
Some arts are about training you to defend your life tomorrow (like Krav Maga), and some are about building you up to fight 20 guys in row (Karate). They all get you there in the end.

Although I suppose the few martial arts that focus on archery may not be too effective on the street.

The best statement I've read about which arts is the best was from a Chinese wrestling master. I will paraphrase; the most effective arts include punching, kicking, joint locks, and grappling. The master didn't differentiate between upright and ground grappling. Draw your own conclusions.

Mountain Sage
:asian:

Most effective: What I do
Least Effective: What everyone else does

;-)

Originally posted by vin2k0
Hi, i was just wondering. I'd like to ask a question and would like replies without bias involved, do not simpley say judo is most effective because you study judo. Maybe people who do/have studied various arts could comment upon this subject.

But which Martial Art, if any, is most effective when you are out in the street? And which least effective? Are they all very close? Or does one prepare you for attack and prepare you for how to deal with the attack more than all of the others?

Comments are all appreciated... Thanks :asian:

The most effective is what works for you when you need it.

There is no single art that is "most effective" or "best" (or any other subjective term) for everyone.

Silat may be the "most effective" art for me. But it may be the "least effective" for you.

Every person has unique attributes and, therefore, the terms "best", "worst", "most effective", "least effective" etc. will refer to different things for each individual.

Mike

The most effective is that in which you will consistantly train in....that in which will work best for you. It is your heart that determines victory over aggression, the discipline is merely the tool the body uses.

:asian:

Systema is the best martial art!!:2xbird:
(and im not just saying that becasue i take it, or am i?)

i dont think you'll ever realy be able to answer that question.
only two things can happen, people say "the best art is the one that works best for you" or a hundred people saying "no my art is the best" either way you aint getting an answer.

but seriously Systema is the best :D :asian:

For me Tae Kwon Do, I think it is the most effective for me because of my instructor. It is not typical TKD, we incorporate ground fighting, Hapkido, Hwa Wrang Do, Boxing and even some full contact training.

Although I have only had to "use" my training once, it was very effective.

Originally posted by pesilat
The most effective is what works for you when you need it.

There is no single art that is "most effective" or "best" (or any other subjective term) for everyone.

...


Every person has unique attributes and, therefore, the terms "best", "worst", "most effective", "least effective" etc. will refer to different things for each individual.

Mike

I agree totaly.

/Yari

Most effective would be a comprehensive training program integrating all the various aspects one might have to deal with in self defense. With special emphasis on awareness.

But when it comes right down to it, I think heart is what most carries the day and wins the fight. I know of a case where an off duty LAPD or LASO officer was shot through the heart and actually managed to win and survive the fight(though to be technical she did die/flat line a couple of times). She went back on full duty at something like six months after the incident. Heart is what kept her alive and helped her make it through the fight. It is your fighting spirit more so than the technique that one uses.

Least effective would probably be the often reccomend(by various media/ so called police) appeasement of predators.

Thanks for the comments guys. And to the guy that tried to slag me off for asking this question after training for 9 years, all i have to say is i was interested in different peoples opinions and perceptions. Why not post your reply on here if you are referring to this thread?

Originally posted by vin2k0
Thanks for the comments guys. And to the guy that tried to slag me off for asking this question after training for 9 years, all i have to say is i was interested in different peoples opinions and perceptions. Why not post your reply on here if you are referring to this thread?

Who tried to slag you off? I don't see any post in this thread that doesn't give an honest opinion to your question. Though there were a couple of flippant remarks made, they were "emoticonned" and left no question as to their intended good naturedness.

What did I miss?

Mike

In my opinion.... one should examine a few things about themselves....in other words...am I tall....are my legs long or short... are my arms long or short...am I heavy set or thinly built... do I have time to train, lots or little..... how flexable am I (which through exercises can be improved)... and how old am I (older students mid 30's & up don't usually move like the younger ones mid 30's and down, although they think they do sometimes).....these and a few other factors determine the most effective art "for you." The key to any art is to stick with it once you find one that is comfortable for you and you can make it work...the higher you go in your art, the higher the level of technique....art jumping is fun but some do not take the time to "really" learn the finer points of the art. All arts have these techniques at the higher levels... A 1st degree here, a 1st degree there, proves that you understand the basics of a few arts...not a thorough understanding of each..you probabley have not even touched the "most effective" part of these arts.
After having studied one art, for a few years (in the late 70's we did not have much choice)....I soon found that it was not for me and switched to Kenpo...it fit me genetically better (age, height, weight, etc...)
EG: I am not much of a kicker (shorter legs, not very tall, low flexability) so TKD, or TSD is out for me, although my kicks are powerful just not very high.

Everyday I learn how much I don't know about my art....therefore everyday is step closer to making it the "most effective" for me.

P.S. this is a general opinion...not pointed at anyone or art individualy
Good question....
BTW...are questioning your art?

Originally posted by vin2k0
Thanks for the comments guys. And to the guy that tried to slag me off for asking this question after training for 9 years, all i have to say is i was interested in different peoples opinions and perceptions. Why not post your reply on here if you are referring to this thread?

That would be me you are reffering to. I just assume that for someone who has practiced Karate for 9 years, he/she would know the only true answer to this question already. Have you heard of the expression that you can tell how much someone knows about a subject by the questions the person ask? ;)

The only honest answer I can come up with is whatever works for you, whatever you feel comfortable with I dont think there is one perfect style. :asian:

A quote I got from Dr. Maung Gyi of Bando: "No one nation or people has a monopoly on the sun; no one art or system has a monopoly on the truth."

Mike

Originally posted by pesilat
A quote I got from Dr. Maung Gyi of Bando: "No one nation or people has a monopoly on the sun; no one art or system has a monopoly on the truth."

Mike




Yeh!
thats what I meant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Couldnt of said it better myself and if you read my previous post, I did'nt!


:duel:



:toilclaw:

The most effective martial applied to an aggressor to date has to be the atomic bomb. Of course, different scaled conflicts require different scaled methods.

You ask a seemingly simple question (kinda like asking "Is there a God") that has a multitude of correct answers.

Self defense as defined by law states that reasonable force is used to prevent an attack. If a guy says "Hey- I'm gonna kick your ass" and you call in a coalition airstrike and leave a forty foot crater where he stood, that may seem unreasonable (though to me, it seems desirable). Attacks vary in their severity. In Kenpo, we tend to take the line that our very lives are in danger and train to that outcome, with the logic being if we are prepared for the worst, anything less shall be handled effectively. In the end, it is all up to the individual. The grappling arts teach you to control your opponent, and crank up the heat as necessary. Most striking arts teach you to wail your opponent into submission.

It's whatever fits your world view. Just being capable in any art you pursue is likely enough to help you through most of life's situations. Only those in law enforcement and the armed services need be concerned with "kill or be killed" for the most part. Most of just need to deal with the occasional drunk moron, purse snatcher, or robber. Even those incidents are isolated.

Originally posted by Johnathan Napalm
That would be me you are reffering to. I just assume that for someone who has practiced Karate for 9 years, he/she would know the only true answer to this question already. Have you heard of the expression that you can tell how much someone knows about a subject by the questions the person ask? ;)

yes, and you are correct, i know very little on this subject. May well be considerable more than a new-comer, but everyone who studies karate still has a lot to learn. Including both of us.

The best martial art is what you like best, what fits you best, what you are willing to train hours for, go through blood, sweat, and tears over. MA requires great dedication, years of training, and patience.

If you're just looking for quick combat lessons, a MMA is probably the best. MMA students can usually defend themselves better than TMA students if you only study a short period of time, and aren't willing to put that much time into it. MMA still requires dedication, and lots of training, but strictly for self-defense purposes in a year or so, MMA is the easy way to go.

Also, be wary of some schools. Schools that go mainstream, or teach Bullshido isn't going to get you anywhere. You don't want that, search for a good school that teaches combat.

I would like to support a comment made by Wmarden,

I know of a case where an off duty LAPD or LASO officer was shot through the heart and actually managed to win and survive the fight(though to be technical she did die/flat line a couple of times). She went back on full duty at something like six months after the incident. Heart is what kept her alive and helped her make it through the fight. It is your fighting spirit more so than the technique that one uses.

He is absolutely correct. She was LAPD, in uniform but heading home off duty. She was not wearing body armor under her uniform. Her POV was bumped from the rear by a Bronco with four males inside, an attempted smash & grab senerio. Fortunately this happened almost in front of her own residence. As she exited her vehicle the four males did also, they did not know she was LAPD when they bumped her. They paniced and ran back to the Bronco...except for one who pulled a .357 magnum revolver and shot her once throught the heart at perhaps 10-15 feet. She unholstered her issued 9mm Beretta and fired three times and scored three hits COM killing her attacker. Her roomate was home and witnessed the events, again fortunately, she was also LAPD [dispatcher] and immediately phoned for emergency response. The officer survived emergency surgery and in time returned to full duty. She had the will not only to survive...but win! Good for her and a valuable lesson for us all.

:asian:

Good question, and as it has been said already, there are many equally good answers.

I would suppose that any martial art that one has trained in properly can be applied to the street and enable one to survive a fight. The real question for me is whether knowledge of the art teaches one to find peaceful means of ending or getting out of the fight. Obviously, there are some situations that require one to fight (defending family, friends, etc.), but there are some where the line is more blurry. Does your style teach you to know what is an appropriate response to the situation in question?

If someone's hammering away at you in an alley, then yeah, sure, you need to fight back. If it's a drunk that's bumped into you and is so smashed he can't even stand up, then the situation is different. What I'm trying to say is that there are two sides to the question you have asked. 1) Is the martial art you learn effective, and 2) Will what you have learned be NECESSARY on the streets? Some styles teach you some amazing techniques that are utterly useless or completely inappropriate on the streets. Others teach you techniques that are more useful and appropriate.

And to all these issues, the answer remains the same: it depends on the person who trains, not just the style he or she trains IN. If the skills you learn in the MAs are going to make you a better fighter, you better bloody well be willing to develop YOURSELF to become a better fighter. It's a matter of will as well as a matter of technique and practice.

My two cents. Hope they present a half-decent perspective, and thanks for the question!

C'mon people! I'm new to this board, but does everyone have to be so PC about what art is best? I study a few different martial arts and love them all, but I definitely have a preference that I think is more street applicable or what I believe is going to be more beneficial in a combat situation, Jujutsu!

HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Originally posted by silencethehero
C'mon people! I'm new to this board, but does everyone have to be so PC about what art is best? I study a few different martial arts and love them all, but I definitely have a preference that I think is more street applicable or what I believe is going to be more beneficial in a combat situation, Jujutsu!

HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Of course. We each have a preference. Mine is Silat. And, generally, I'd say it's the most effective art for me. But I don't consider it "PC" to point out that there are different horses for different courses. I think it's just realistic :)

Mike

Does gun fu qualify as a martial art?:D

Originally posted by Rommel
Does gun fu qualify as a martial art?:D

Personally, I think so. I think firearms are just a weapon like any other. And weapons are and have always been a part of the martial arts to one extent or another.

Mike

Originally posted by silencethehero
C'mon people! I'm new to this board, but does everyone have to be so PC about what art is best? I study a few different martial arts and love them all, but I definitely have a preference that I think is more street applicable or what I believe is going to be more beneficial in a combat situation, Jujutsu!

HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

No, we're just trying to be friendly about it, because as soon as you start saying "X style rocks" everybody starts a flame war, which is not what this place is about.

And as a question, are you referring to Japanese or Brazillian JJ? Just curious, some variants of the style may be viewed as more effective than others by different people.

Either way, there are many different paths to follow in life. Who are we to say that our way is better or worse than any other way unless we have walked them all?

Originally posted by Cliarlaoch
No, we're just trying to be friendly about it, because as soon as you start saying "X style rocks" everybody starts a flame war, which is not what this place is about.

And as a question, are you referring to Japanese or Brazillian JJ? Just curious, some variants of the style may be viewed as more effective than others by different people.

Either way, there are many different paths to follow in life. Who are we to say that our way is better or worse than any other way unless we have walked them all?

Flame war? No problem.

I am referring to Japanese, because THAT is Jujutsu. I don't feel BJJ is nearly as effective in a combat situation.

If by "paths," you are referring to martial arts, then you are right. But a lot of people choose to live a pretty ****ed up existence and perpetuate violence and harm. I will judge those people to protect myself and the people I care for.

I am SILENCE: THE HERO.

Originally posted by silencethehero
C'mon people! I'm new to this board, but does everyone have to be so PC about what art is best? I study a few different martial arts and love them all, but I definitely have a preference that I think is more street applicable or what I believe is going to be more beneficial in a combat situation, Jujutsu!

HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

My favourite form of self defense?

The 150 yard dash!

Failing that, Ryukyu Kempo.

--Dave

:asian:

Originally posted by silencethehero


I am SILENCE: THE HERO.


Hi, I am Dave. I don't think you could be a hero, because all the heroes I know are dead.:D
Either way, I am pleased to have made your aquaintance!

--Dave

:asian:

Originally posted by D.Cobb
My favourite form of self defense?

The 150 yard dash!

Failing that, Ryukyu Kempo.

--Dave

:asian:

Great response and by far the most intelligent!;)

Originally posted by D.Cobb
Hi, I am Dave. I don't think you could be a hero, because all the heroes I know are dead.:D
Either way, I am pleased to have made your aquaintance!

--Dave

:asian:

There are heroes in all of us. It is nice to meet you as well.:)

[QUOTE]My favourite form of self defense?

The 150 yard dash![QUOTE]

Applicable only if you are alone and are not trying to protect your loved ones and friends or in a situation where you are trapped or injured and can't run.

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My favourite form of self defense?

The 150 yard dash



Applicable only if you are alone and are not trying to protect your loved ones and friends or in a situation where you are trapped or injured and can't run.

Originally posted by Rommel
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Applicable only if you are alone and are not trying to protect your loved ones and friends or in a situation where you are trapped or injured and can't run.

Are you saying that we're not supposed to leave the people we care about to fend for themselves in a confrontational situation?

It depends if they are grandmasters of the martial arts or special forces.:D

Originally posted by Rommel
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Applicable only if you are alone and are not trying to protect your loved ones and friends or in a situation where you are trapped or injured and can't run.

I dont know.......My Dad told me that I was always complaining about not having enough indenpendance or freedom so he said that if we ever got attacked on the street he was gonna leave me and run for his life giving me my new found independance :D I will do nothing less for my kids when I'm older :asian:

Originally posted by Master of Blades
I dont know.......My Dad told me that I was always complaining about not having enough indenpendance or freedom so he said that if we ever got attacked on the street he was gonna leave me and run for his life giving me my new found independance :D I will do nothing less for my kids when I'm older :asian:

It all depends on if I like my children or not.

Originally posted by silencethehero
It all depends on if I like my children or not.


Yeah I guess....If thats the case then I think I'm just gonna make sure I dont like them and laugh at them for wanting Independance until I WANT them to have it :D