Door-to-door rape prevention programs

[Kacey]

Once a year, young women ring my doorbell and try to give me literature for a rape prevention program. Every time they do it, I point out that a young woman, alone, ringing the doorbells of strangers, is not a good example to set when discussing rape prevention. Sometimes they thank me; this evening, the young woman who rang my doorbell got angry, claimed she was with a large group (none of them visible from my door), and then turned her back on me. Is it just me - or is this a bad way to advertise a rape prevention program? Has anyone else had a similar experience?

[KenpoTex]

Never had a rape prevention activist(?) knock on my door but I do agree with you that it is a poor advertising strategy (as well as poor tactics). Good on you for trying to educate them.

I had a girl, who looked to be about 15, knock on my door once trying to sell newspaper subscriptions. I asked her if she thought it was wise to be knocking on doors in a large apartment complex by herself. After talking with her for a minute or two it seemed like she understood the possible problems.

[arnisador]

I've had the same thoughts as Kacey. Wrong message.

[terryl965]

Very wrong message

[shesulsa]

I understand the zeal, but the delivery .... I'd want to peruse the pamphlet right then and there to find the undoubtedly included advice to avoid approaching strange homes alone, point it out and give her a lesson on the lawn.

[chinto]

never had that happen to me.. but my god that is a stupid thing to do!!
tactically and strategically stupid and I hope you go to their headquarters and tell them so!!

[Brian R. VanCise]

Not to bright.

[morph4me]

One would think that if your giving out literature on rape prevention you'd do one of the most basic rape prevention techniques and not be alone when you do it :idunno:

[Jai]

agreed with everyone else. Not a good way to promote rape prevention. We have a county program that does something kinda like that, but I have never seen then in groups of less then four.

[Tez3]

Good grief! she's not done one of those womens "self defence" courses that has left her feeling invincable has she? I've seen them, they teach women fairly good techniques but instill in them they can take anyone on with them so are now safe to go anywhere!

[CoryKS]

I opened this thread thinking the subject was "programs on how to prevent door-to-door rape". It's going to be a long day.

IMO, this is a bad idea. There was a local woman who disappeared a few years ago while canvassing for some political party. If it were me and I absolutely had to go door-to-door (for whatever reason), I would roll the literature into a rubber band and leave it at the door like the "too cheap for direct mail" guys do.

[Skip Cooper]

Good grief! she's not done one of those womens "self defence" courses that has left her feeling invincable has she? I've seen them, they teach women fairly good techniques but instill in them they can take anyone on with them so are now safe to go anywhere!

That was my first thought as I read this also...

[Kacey]

And yet, as I said, this is the 3rd or 4th year in a row this has happened... and only once has the young woman had a companion - and that was another young woman.

[chinto]

And yet, as I said, this is the 3rd or 4th year in a row this has happened... and only once has the young woman had a companion - and that was another young woman.


THE MIND BOGGLES!!! :duh::pinky1: I would see if I could get the basic message to their HQ people... but the mind just boggles!

[Jade Tigress]

Stupid is as stupid does. That's a really stupid thing to do. And to think, a whole organization based on prevention is advocating this method. It's frightening really.

[Empty Hands]

That's a really stupid thing to do.

It's not THAT stupid. Less than 20% of rapes are committed by strangers. Many thousands of men and women go door to door all over the country for a variety of reasons, and how many are dragged in and assaulted? It must not be that common, I couldn't even find a story about it.

The number one rape prevention strategy, going by the numbers, should be to be careful around your family and to watch who you make friends with!

[DavidCC]

Maybe you read the pamphlet wrong. Maybe it's a rape PROMOTION program.

[Empty Hands]

Maybe you read the pamphlet wrong. Maybe it's a rape PROMOTION program.

http://jj.am/gallery/d/45092-1/40LB_Rape_box.jpg

[JBrainard]

*picture*

That's terrible. Funny as hell, but terrible. :D

[DavidCC]

http://jj.am/gallery/d/45092-1/40LB_Rape_box.jpg

the world's most evil midget lives in there.

[Jade Tigress]

It's not THAT stupid. Less than 20% of rapes are committed by strangers. Many thousands of men and women go door to door all over the country for a variety of reasons, and how many are dragged in and assaulted? It must not be that common, I couldn't even find a story about it.

The number one rape prevention strategy, going by the numbers, should be to be careful around your family and to watch who you make friends with!

True that.

However, I still think it's a stupid thing for a lone woman to be knocking on stranger's doors. Door to door isn't that common anymore. Not like it used to be anyway. Granted, the odds of that happening may be low, but if you're going to be advocating prevention, you need to demonstrate it a little better. All it takes it one wrong door. Simple solution? Go in groups.

[arnisador]

Statistically, it's probably not that unsafe..esp. at someone's house, making them know they'll be easy to trace.

It sends the wrong message...that you might act the same way in other circumstances that are less safe.

[Deaf Smith]

"No one ever raped a .38". Wise saying there.

Deaf

[shesulsa]

Statistically, it's probably not that unsafe..esp. at someone's house, making them know they'll be easy to trace.

It sends the wrong message...that you might act the same way in other circumstances that are less safe.
There's a guy from Lake Oswego, Oregon in prison from whose home they dug up the remains of two neighborhood girls he lured from the school bus stop.

If you buzz at the parlor door, the spider may entice you in.

[tellner]

Ssssoooo, what exactly were they selling?
Was it a MM/IMPACT clone?
A martial arts school's WSD teaser?
Products?
Unhelpful tips?
Inquiring minds want to know!

[Sukerkin]

There's a guy from Lake Oswego, Oregon in prison from whose home they dug up the remains of two neighborhood girls he lured from the school bus stop.

If you buzz at the parlor door, the spider may entice you in.

I'm ashamed to say that that is one of those events which bring out my Viking genes.

I'm assuming that the felon (I won't call him a man) in question had very strong, incontrovertible, evidence of guilt against him?

If so (and my Viking resisting Liberal genes require this to be a given), why is this predatory criminal still alive?

[tellner]

I'm ashamed to say that that is one of those events which bring out my Viking genes.
There's an old Viking term whose spelling I'm about to mangle horribly as I've only heard it spoken "Vode Freke Werewolf" - Angry Hungry Werewolf. Looks like a man but isn't, preys on humans. And you can tell by looking at the eyes. The traditional Nordic cure involved fire and steel and dispersing the ashes that they never more might mingle.


I'm assuming that the felon (I won't call him a man) in question had very strong, incontrovertible, evidence of guilt against him?

If so (and my Viking resisting Liberal genes require this to be a given), why is this predatory criminal still alive?

The author may be thinking of the Ward Weaver case in Oregon City. Books have been written (http://www.amazon.com/Missing-Oregon-Shocking-Abduction-Murder/dp/0882822683) about it. I won't recount the whole story. Others (http://crime.about.com/od/current/p/weaver.htm) have done it better (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Weaver_III). The Portland Tribune (http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/search_results.php?keywords=ward+weaver) did yeoman service on the case.

As they said about the murderer in the Donner Party "He was guilty as sin, and his sins were mortal." There was all kinds of evidence once the police started looking. But really, he was just carrying on a family tradition. His father was also a murdering rapist and seems to have trained his boy up right for it. If I were Ward Weaver III's son I would seriously consider castration or total celibacy because a vasectomy might not be enough.

[shesulsa]

I'm assuming that the felon (I won't call him a man) in question had very strong, incontrovertible, evidence of guilt against him?
Welllll .... He confessed to his son about taking and killing the girls. And they dug up his freshly-poured cement walkway next to his home to find the remains of one girl. The other was in a bag in the shed. His name is Ward Weaver III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Weaver_III).


If so (and my Viking resisting Liberal genes require this to be a given), why is this predatory criminal still alive?
Umm ... not sure. I think his threats to commit suicide and some other evidence pointed to his mental instability so he'll be protected in the hospital for the criminally insane, if memory serves.

[tellner]

If so (and my Viking resisting Liberal genes require this to be a given), why is this predatory criminal still alive?

Not any of my doing. "Up a long ladder, and down a short rope" was my preference. Or "Dig a ditch over there, pour in a sack of lime and stand in front of it. Someone will be by presently to put one in the back of your head."


He bargained life in prison without parole for evidence about this and other crimes. According to some he had been holding the prospect of a terrible grisly trial over the heads of the families of the deceased.

[Sukerkin]

Thanks for the extra details, Todd and Georgia :tup:. It seems actually somehow worse that this was not only pre-meditated but was part of a 'tradition' - I shake my head in wonder at how awful we humans can be sometimes.