Am I missing something

[KempoGuy06]

Ok so a few months ago I told the story about my aunt damning me for practicing martial arts. Well the other day I was out at one of the malls here in town wearing one of my shirts from my dojo. This family(man and women and 3 kids, looked to be about 11, 8 and 5) comes up to me and is asking me about my shirt and wear i practice. The man held a BB in TKD from a dojo in his home town in Florida and was very interested in putting his kids in the MA's and was considering taking it up again. Well I was telling him about the dojo (where it is and what we study) and was talking about my instructors when this women in her late 40's early 50's comes up to me and says and I quote "Ive been listening to you this whole time and I want you to know that you are going straight to hell for glorifying violence." I was stunned and she walked off before I could respond (thank the lord cause I was a little hungover and might have said something I regret :D)

Now to the point: AM I MISSING SOMETHING??? Do I have a giant sign following me around that says I'll anyone and everyone or something? Was there a memo or meeting that I missed?

What is wrong with people?

Input please!!!

B

[Deaf Smith]

KempoGuy06,

Ignorance knows know bounds with people (no not you, them.) They have no clue of the benifits of the martial arts. No clue of what it takes to master one self. No clue that the more you unstand violence, the more you don't want it if it can be avoilded.

They know nothing of which they speak. "glorifying violence' they say? These same people want the police to protect them, yet the police use violence daily to 'protect' them. These same people want law breakers in jail, but I assure you, jail.. prison.. is violence to the extreem (I say this having visited a man in prison, a real state penititary and man it ain't a nice place.)

Don't sweat it Kempo. I only wish your school was were I'm at. I'd love to train at Kempo to add to what I know.

Deaf

[MJS]

Ok so a few months ago I told the story about my aunt damning me for practicing martial arts. Well the other day I was out at one of the malls here in town wearing one of my shirts from my dojo. This family(man and women and 3 kids, looked to be about 11, 8 and 5) comes up to me and is asking me about my shirt and wear i practice. The man held a BB in TKD from a dojo in his home town in Florida and was very interested in putting his kids in the MA's and was considering taking it up again. Well I was telling him about the dojo (where it is and what we study) and was talking about my instructors when this women in her late 40's early 50's comes up to me and says and I quote "Ive been listening to you this whole time and I want you to know that you are going straight to hell for glorifying violence." I was stunned and she walked off before I could respond (thank the lord cause I was a little hungover and might have said something I regret :D)

Now to the point: AM I MISSING SOMETHING??? Do I have a giant sign following me around that says I'll anyone and everyone or something? Was there a memo or meeting that I missed?

What is wrong with people?

Input please!!!

B

No, you're not missing anything...they are. This is just another fine example that the majority of people out there have no clue about the arts. They are just like some people who shall remain nameless, but we all know who they are ;) that like to base the effectiveness of an art off of a youtube clip. Physically impossible! I'd be willing to bet that this woman has a misguided understanding, and she's probably one of those people who frowns upon anything outside of her perfect little box. I'd guess that she would frown upon certain types of music, the way certain people dress, certain shows on tv, etc.

This is the #1 reason why I like to keep my training to myself. There are certain people I hate talking to because once they know that you train, the stupid questions flow like a river.

Sadly, people like the one you mention are so set in their ways, no matter what you say, they won't buy it. Best to just ignore people like that, as hard as it may be. If this woman is so easily offended, she should live in some cave in the mountains, totally isolated from the real world. Fact of the matter is, is that the things she frowns upon are real life everyday things, that as much as we may not want to, we have to deal with them.

Dont let people like that get you down. Keep training, if someone is really interested, them tell them about the arts, but just brush people like her off, as there is no changing them, and you'll probably get more worked up trying to. :)

Mike

[terryl965]

KG people will be people we cannot change one views about the MA, if they do not want to listen. Keep training and have fun and forget about those types.

[MA-Caver]

What everyone else has already said, it's ignorance and self righteousness that get people acting stupid. Definitely ignore it or go the easy way... say uh-huh definitely right m'am would you all please pray for me?

Worry about what YOU know and feel. Because in the end it's YOU that's gotta make YOU happy with what YOU are doing.
I'm not talking being egocentric here but self-love, self esteem and self awareness that makes you a better person and a better ma-ist and a better instructor.

[jlhummel]

The thing that many people who are not part of a MA dont understand is that the aura that u present to the rest of the world can keep u out ot a confrontation more easily than actually fighting someone will. I have talked my way out of more fights than I have ever gotten into.

[shesulsa]

Glorifying violence.

You know, violence comes in many flavors. There is violent speech - which this woman delivered to you in terms of spiritual violence. There are violent actions which don't involved the hands, feet nor traditional weapon of any kind.

Anonymous judgement is an "ism" tantamount to racism, ageism, sexism ....

The Bible should not be a weapon against anything nor anyone. This woman's actions remind me of a hymn I used to hate to sing because of it's inference. It goes something like this:

"Onward Christian Soldiers, marching as to war;
With the cross of Jesus going on before!
Christ the royal master leads against the foe;
Forward into battle, see his banners flow!"

My advice?

Forgive her for she knoweth not what she sayeth. :asian:

[snoack]

Not meaning to turn this into a religoius discussion, but:

2 of my instructors are devout Christians. My school is in the gynasium of a Christian elementary school. I am a practing Believer.

The apostle Paul wrote that the body is a temple. The practice of MA balances and solidifies this temple.

I guess this self-righteous, holier-then-thou woman has never read the book that her seeming faith is supported by, or if she has she has never read the OT.

Ignore people like that. They have no clue what they're talking about, nor do they want to because it would shatter their pre-concieved notion of the world.

[Giorgio]

That said, this sort of thing seems to happen a lot more in the states. I've trained in the UK and Italy and I've only encountered two reactions: complete apathy or child-eyed enthusiasm (You do MA? Will you show me some?!)I think that's a great attitude to take, and a lot of them have been introduced to MA by tagging along with me to my training. I think it's less religion and more simply xenophobia that made that woman attack you like that.

And make no mistake, it was an attack. She clearly wanted to hurt you by intruding on your conversation and telling you you're going to burn in hell. She is a bitter, angry woman who wants to make people unhappy with her bigotry. If there is one thing that martial arts are about, it's respect, both for yourself and your training partners and opponents. Of course we can't expect this idea to filter into her little, little brain for a long time.

Hehe help me out, guys, it's so hard to show people like that woman human respect sometimes...

[morph4me]

Since it's already been established that you're going to hell, by people who are obviously better informed about these things than all of us heathens, I'd say just relax and be comfortable in the knowledge that when you get there, you'll be in good company with all of the rest of us who glorify violence :banghead:

[Brian R. VanCise]

Amazing. Simply amazing. Ignorance simply knows no bounds at times. What is funny is that I teach several priests martial science and not one of them has an issue with it. (go figure) http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif

[IcemanSK]

If you were indeed "promoting violence" as you were accused, I'd say you may perhaps be setting yourself up for these insults, unknowingly. Were you bragging about your prowess or your instructor's abilities? Were you talking about "gory details" techniques? (Discussing a wrist lock is normal to us, but some folks can't imagine that). I'm not saying that if you did say that you deserved the insults, by any means. The gal should have kept her unsolicited opinions to herself.

When I started theological studies at a fairly conservative Christian college & was already a BB. There were times in both college & seminary when I had to "defend myself" for training to defend myself. But I usually had the luxury of spending time with folks long enough to have them see my character, & that helped change their opinions. But being young & excited about what I'd learned in class the night before, sometimes my excited explanations would get odd looks & comments. The world of MA is foreign to most people, but for some people of faith, they can only see the violence in it.

I would try to get bothered by the person who gives an unsolicited opinion on your training or wants to ascribe your motives or your seat on the bus to hell. These are the same folks that would find fault with your eye color. Their issues are not about you.

I hope that helps.

[MA-Caver]

Since it's already been established that you're going to hell, by people who are obviously better informed about these things than all of us heathens, I'd say just relax and be comfortable in the knowledge that when you get there, you'll be in good company with all of the rest of us who glorify violence :banghead:

It'd be one great Meet N Greet! :D :D :-partyon:


Actually, the comment "straight to Hell" is not something a liberal would say. That's a conservative remark.
Right. "Damned to hell!!" is the liberal saying!

[KELLYG]

I think her opinion is not relaveant in any way.

Judge not lest you be jugded.. I've read this some where?? Sould she not be practicing what she wants to preach.

[MBuzzy]

Wow, I suppose I'm REALLY in trouble....2 martial arts and in the military.

[Rich Parsons]

Ok so a few months ago I told the story about my aunt damning me for practicing martial arts. Well the other day I was out at one of the malls here in town wearing one of my shirts from my dojo. This family(man and women and 3 kids, looked to be about 11, 8 and 5) comes up to me and is asking me about my shirt and wear i practice. The man held a BB in TKD from a dojo in his home town in Florida and was very interested in putting his kids in the MA's and was considering taking it up again. Well I was telling him about the dojo (where it is and what we study) and was talking about my instructors when this women in her late 40's early 50's comes up to me and says and I quote "Ive been listening to you this whole time and I want you to know that you are going straight to hell for glorifying violence." I was stunned and she walked off before I could respond (thank the lord cause I was a little hungover and might have said something I regret :D)

Now to the point: AM I MISSING SOMETHING??? Do I have a giant sign following me around that says I'll anyone and everyone or something? Was there a memo or meeting that I missed?

What is wrong with people?

Input please!!!

B


Yes you are missing something. Their point of view. Sometimes though it is just too hard to see their point of view. I try but it is difficult. Seeing their point of view does nto amke them right and you wrong, it just lets you review your point of view as well.


Since it's already been established that you're going to hell, by people who are obviously better informed about these things than all of us heathens, I'd say just relax and be comfortable in the knowledge that when you get there, you'll be in good company with all of the rest of us who glorify violence :banghead:


I have a grandmother who will not speak to me and told me I could not be a part of her religion and could not believe in anything, becuase I knew too much about science and those small little things people cannot see that really do not exist, like neutrons, and protons and electrons. (* i.e. She was really surprised when I asked her about Neutrino's and Quark's, she had no idea what they were and it pushed it over the edge into a screaming condeming scene *) This being told to me when I was 11 going on 12, and I onlyhad junior high science and did some reading on my own. She told me there was no hope for me. I would be one of those unbeliever's who would never make it to heaven.



Glorifying violence.

You know, violence comes in many flavors. There is violent speech - which this woman delivered to you in terms of spiritual violence. There are violent actions which don't involved the hands, feet nor traditional weapon of any kind.

Anonymous judgement is an "ism" tantamount to racism, ageism, sexism ....

The Bible should not be a weapon against anything nor anyone. This woman's actions remind me of a hymn I used to hate to sing because of it's inference. It goes something like this:

"Onward Christian Soldiers, marching as to war;
With the cross of Jesus going on before!
Christ the royal master leads against the foe;
Forward into battle, see his banners flow!"

My advice?

Forgive her for she knoweth not what she sayeth. :asian:

To SheSulsa'a point, I tell stories about my "ex" and about my "grandmother" and others, not because I still carry anger or violence in my heartfor them, but because I do not. For me to carry that anger or violence or hatred, means I have to dedicate too much of my time to them and their issues and lives, when I just wish them the best want to move on with my life with the understanding that we do not agree and that should be enough.

[Xue Sheng]

Ok so a few months ago I told the story about my aunt damning me for practicing martial arts. Well the other day I was out at one of the malls here in town wearing one of my shirts from my dojo. This family(man and women and 3 kids, looked to be about 11, 8 and 5) comes up to me and is asking me about my shirt and wear i practice. The man held a BB in TKD from a dojo in his home town in Florida and was very interested in putting his kids in the MA's and was considering taking it up again. Well I was telling him about the dojo (where it is and what we study) and was talking about my instructors when this women in her late 40's early 50's comes up to me and says and I quote "Ive been listening to you this whole time and I want you to know that you are going straight to hell for glorifying violence." I was stunned and she walked off before I could respond (thank the lord cause I was a little hungover and might have said something I regret :D)

Now to the point: AM I MISSING SOMETHING??? Do I have a giant sign following me around that says I'll anyone and everyone or something? Was there a memo or meeting that I missed?

What is wrong with people?

Input please!!!

B

Actually I think the whole thing is pretty damn funny.

Consider the source don't let it get to you and move on.

Do you like the martial art you train?

If you do who cares what anyone thinks

Are you out randomly hurting people to prove how tough and skilled you are?

Doubtful or you would not be posting here so basically this walk by yakking that was perpetrated on you is meaningless. She is clueless and is happy to remain so. If you actually did respond to her in the end she would have felt she proved her point and she does not want to know the reality of it and you would have been more frustrated than you already are.

Let it go and go train and forget it.

[Langenschwert]

when this women in her late 40's early 50's comes up to me and says and I quote "Ive been listening to you this whole time and I want you to know that you are going straight to hell for glorifying violence."

These are the same nutters that rant about Harry Potter, D&D, Metal, Gays and Pagans. Yea verily, I solemnly proclaim them to be asshats of the highest order. Pay them no heed and get thee to thy training hall, since they prolly won't follow you there. ;)

Best regards,

-Mark

[Steel Tiger]

It seems to me that the problem isn't this lone crazy person's views on martial arts and hell, but the suggestion that your conversation with someone else is any of her business.

I mean, where do people get the idea that other peoples business has anything to do with them? All too often these days we are seeing this same scenario (with slightly different details) repeated everywhere. At what point did my business become your business and vice versa?

[Paul B]

Oh wow.

If you honestly believe someone is going to spend an eternity "paying" for what they have done in eighty or so years here one earth, do you really think there's a need to add your own 2 cents to it?

You handled it a lot better than I would have. Self-righteous people like that push all my buttons at the same time. Just one of those things.

[Kacey]

I had a student whose pastor spent a significant amount of time telling him that he shouldn't learn self-defense, because "Jesus said to turn the other cheek" - so he decided to do some research on it. It is, generally, taken for granted that this means that one should turn away from violence - but he found this alternate explanation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_the_other_cheek) as well:


A figurative interpretation relies on historical and other factors.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_the_other_cheek#cite_note-wink-0) At the time of Jesus, striking someone deemed to be of a lower class with the back of the hand was used to assert authority and dominance. If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma. The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed. The other alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, they argue[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], by turning the other cheek the persecuted was in effect demanding equality.

Now, Wikipedia is only so reliable - but he found this explanation in multiple places. It did not, originally, mean lie there and take it, as in "the meek shall inherit the earth" - it meant stand up for yourself as an equal to the person who struck you. But then, many people who rely on the Bible as the sole source of their morality often recite verbatim what their religious leader told them, and tend to focus only on those parts of the Bible that support that view. After all, 2000 years and multiple translations couldn't possibly have changed how people view the world, could it? :idunno:

As far as this particular woman goes... people who are sufficiently self-righteous to make such a statement, and in such a fashion, are unreachable. Blow it off; she's an idiot who lets others do her thinking for her.

[ktaylor75]

Okay, I am fairly new to Kenpo (only been training for 8 months), but of what I have learned so far in the style I practice, it is mostly a self-defense type martial art. Before a person makes a judgment about something, one should be careful to understand what it is they are judging. I am reminded of an old saying I heard years ago about what it means to "assume" something...I'm sure most of you know where that is headed. But anyway, as to martial arts glorifying violence, I can surely think of many other things in this world that do more for glorifying violence than learning self-defense.

How about gangs? How about the fact that my children have to wear a school uniform to middle school because of gang violence carried out by 11 year olds in our community? Glorifying violence? Definitely!
How about video games such as "Grand Theft Auto" or "Bully"? Again, glorifying violence.
But Kenpo? No, not glorifying violence...rather, helping people learn to defend themselves against those that do glorify violence. Having been a victim of sexual assault twice in my life...I have a huge problem with people like that woman, who had no business butting into your conversation in the first place, who are blatantly ignorant to that which they know nothing about.Well, that was my 2-cents worth, hope I did not offend anybody.

[Empty Hands]

It did not, originally, mean lie there and take it, as in "the meek shall inherit the earth" - it meant stand up for yourself as an equal to the person who struck you.

I kind of doubt it. In Matthew, the sentence immediately preceding this one is "Do not resist an evil person." In Luke, the next sentence is "If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic." Given the context, it would be quite a stretch to interpret turning the other cheek as "demand equality."

[chinto]

Ok so a few months ago I told the story about my aunt damning me for practicing martial arts. Well the other day I was out at one of the malls here in town wearing one of my shirts from my dojo. This family(man and women and 3 kids, looked to be about 11, 8 and 5) comes up to me and is asking me about my shirt and wear i practice. The man held a BB in TKD from a dojo in his home town in Florida and was very interested in putting his kids in the MA's and was considering taking it up again. Well I was telling him about the dojo (where it is and what we study) and was talking about my instructors when this women in her late 40's early 50's comes up to me and says and I quote "Ive been listening to you this whole time and I want you to know that you are going straight to hell for glorifying violence." I was stunned and she walked off before I could respond (thank the lord cause I was a little hungover and might have said something I regret :D)

Now to the point: AM I MISSING SOMETHING??? Do I have a giant sign following me around that says I'll anyone and everyone or something? Was there a memo or meeting that I missed?

What is wrong with people?

Input please!!!

B

OK what you got was the ignorance of people who have no clue what real martial arts is about. At best they think of the bad old "kungfu theater movies" when they think of martial arts of any kind.
You might start as far as your aunt is concerned pointing out that martial arts has very little if any thing to do with religion, and that there were in the past martial orders of monks such as the Knights of Malta ( yes they actually still exist as an order of Knight hood and all) and others such as Knights of the Bath and others who are very much Christians and some are even ordained priests as well as monks. ( depending on the order)
but as far as the persons who accosted you for "glorifying violence" you might point out next time that you " are your brothers keeper, and as such have a duty to help defend the defenseless! " and that the knights of old who defended Christianity were trained in combat as well, and that does not mean that some how you glorify it, but rather that you are more likely to hate it, but be ready to defend against it from those who would injure and kill the innocent and defenseless!

many think that some how any martial art has some kind of eastern religion involved with it some how. not sure why but many do. ( especially the fundamentalists who have never looked into it but assumed so from movies from the the late 1960's and 1970's out of Hong Kong.) { they some how think that you are perhaps budest or Shintoist from the fact that you study martial arts.}

[IcemanSK]

As I read the OP again, I have an even stronger reaction to the fact that this woman came up to you out of the blue. She doesn't know you. She's not a relative, your boss or anyone else that has any bearing over your life. She's just a gal with an unsolicited opinion on your life. She's basically a stranger saying, "I don't like your shirt." The fact that you know (or suspect) that her reasons for it are her religious ideas are secondary to the way she approached you with her unwelcomed opinion. It really shouldn't be taken with any more weight that a teenage boy walking up to & saying, "I don't like your shirt." The fact that she had some allegedly religious agenda doesn't add to the weight of her wprds. Although I appreciate that it does add to the damage done by her words.

[morph4me]

I think that the next time someone tells you you're going to hell should be a big smile and an enthusiastic " Great, see you there"

[Tames D]

If I told you once, I told you twice. Lose the dreadlocks and beard. That scares little old ladies http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif.

[Tez3]

I wonder what she would have said to the likes of Kimbo Slice?

[Touch Of Death]

Ok so a few months ago I told the story about my aunt damning me for practicing martial arts. Well the other day I was out at one of the malls here in town wearing one of my shirts from my dojo. This family(man and women and 3 kids, looked to be about 11, 8 and 5) comes up to me and is asking me about my shirt and wear i practice. The man held a BB in TKD from a dojo in his home town in Florida and was very interested in putting his kids in the MA's and was considering taking it up again. Well I was telling him about the dojo (where it is and what we study) and was talking about my instructors when this women in her late 40's early 50's comes up to me and says and I quote "Ive been listening to you this whole time and I want you to know that you are going straight to hell for glorifying violence." I was stunned and she walked off before I could respond (thank the lord cause I was a little hungover and might have said something I regret :D)

Now to the point: AM I MISSING SOMETHING??? Do I have a giant sign following me around that says I'll anyone and everyone or something? Was there a memo or meeting that I missed?

What is wrong with people?

Input please!!!

BAsk her whom she voted for or is going to vote for. She is just as bad. Point it out.
Sean

[CoryKS]

I wonder what she would have said to the likes of Kimbo Slice?

Not a thing. Somebody around here had a quote in their sig to the effect that more people protest fur than leather because it's easier to harass old women than bikers. http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Tez3]

I always have a sharp witty answer for people like this....the trouble is I don't think of it until hours afterwards!
That's the only thought I'd have about people like this, they really aren't worth worrying about.

[tellner]

Now that everyone's had a good rant about the stupidity of the Flock I'd like to offer a radical alternative.

Most people think martial arts are a little strange.

What they aren't familiar with they aren't comfortable with.

When they're uncomfortable and in unfamiliar territory they react defensively. This usually means setting a little script in motion that makes them the heroes of their internal dramas. And that means casting whatever is interrupting their normal dream state as the villain. Whatever it is gets pushed further outside the circle until it's a grotesque caricature that can be safely lumped together with Everything Bad. It doesn't have to be rational as long as it sounds good to them and lets them get back to the comforting comfortable place they usually live.

We are not rational animals. We are rationalizing animals.

In this case you happened to run into someone whose comfort zone doesn't include martial arts. It means enough to you and your self image that it hurt when you were on the receiving end of their emotional self defense. The important thing is to realize what it is - a reaction that is ultimately based on fear, attachment and a desire for security - and not mistake it for a conscious rejection of you as you really are.

The discussion here has largely, but not entirely been an exercise in the same thing from the other side. The "sheeple", the "pansies", whatever insulting term people want to use are pushed outside our circle into the realm of grotesque demonic caricatures of real people. That way we defend our own beliefs about ourself and make ourselves the heroes. We can go back to feeling safe and happy about ourselves.

Same disease, same symptoms. It's like the man with the disfiguring disease said on first looking in the mirror "But on me it looks good" :)

It's also possible that the person has good personal reasons for feeling that way. Maybe there was a traumatic incident or two at the hands of someone who did martial arts. Maybe there was a crime that branded an aversion to all violence good or band onto the psyche. Who knows? Do any of the dismissers care, or is it just to much trouble to try and see what's going on?

A lot of time it is too much trouble to do anything about it. There are only so many hours in the day. But if a person wanted to make a change the first thing to do is break that script. Martial arts is a weird thing with foreign sounding rituals and bizarre costumes where people do insane things like spending hours hitting each other.

The key to making it less alien is to find some point of similarity with something the other person is comfortable with and can relate to on a human level. Maybe it's at the level of sports. Maybe it's the idea of having a social group with a shared interest. Maybe it's fitness. Maybe there's some common interest that you and the other person share that can be used for an "It's just like that" moment. Sometimes it goes so far as "If you show me yours I'll show you mine" with something they enjoy.

Once you've made the human connection and found or created something in common it's possible to bring a part or two into the realm of the known and safe. Then it can be seen on its own merits. Until then the only way the person has to relate to it is as something Bad. And anything Bad is everything Bad.

The woman who came up and put in her two cents was incredibly rude, no doubt about it. And that rudeness may just be the way she operates. It's probably not worth the time and energy to do the work. But if a person wanted to change the attitude that's how he or she could go about it.

[Tez3]

In Yorkshire where I live people pride themselves on telling the truth, what they actually mean is they feel free to express opinions about whatever they want and if it's personal and hurtful well thats tough! Living in a village near a small town means everyone feels free to tell you what they think whether they know you or not! They simply don't understand that you really don't want their opinion especially on things they know nothing about!

[Nolerama]

Did I wander into the Study by mistake? I could've sworn I was looking for a thread about why people are judgmental to martial artists...

On the original note, I think everyone likes the fact that I'm into the MAs. The only negative response might be from my softball team. I've found out that my swing is off after boxing and wrestling the night before.

[Xue Sheng]

Republicans:mad:…. Grumble grumble… democrats:disgust:.. grumble grumble:argue:…. EVIL EMPIRE….GRRRRR:angry:…..ice melting:tantrum:…or not melting:duh:….WELL I NEVER!!!!:soapbox: Oops sorry this isn’t the study is it and I am :-offtopic :D

To get back on track as Nolerama has done.

I have been thinking about this and I cannot remember anyone ever getting upset that I was a martial artist, and I have been at this a long time.

But then I do rather enjoy striking fear in the hearts of my fellow man so maybe I just didn’t notice :EG: :D

[Balrog]

Well I was telling him about the dojo (where it is and what we study) and was talking about my instructors when this women in her late 40's early 50's comes up to me and says and I quote "Ive been listening to you this whole time and I want you to know that you are going straight to hell for glorifying violence."

Hmmm.....T-shirt opportunity here, methinks.

GLORIFYING VIOLENCE AND GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL
AT _________ MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL!


:boing1:

[Tez3]

What most people say to me is the perennial favourite 'you don't look like a blackbelt' lol or 'all that fancy stuff doesn't work you know'. However I have been taken to task for reading my horoscope by the local bush baptists here. It seems if you read horoscopes you will go off to hell.
I've heard of the anti martial arts thing before where the argument is that Jesus said turn the other cheek but as I understand it he only said do it once, if they hit the second cheek you could belt them back! I do get very flippant with people who try to impose their opinion on you or who decide they know what your opinion is and blast you for it. People who know they are right think it's their duty to inform you of the error of your ways. Best thing is to walk away.

[SageGhost83]

People who know they are right think it's their duty to inform you of the error of your ways.

Ugh! I know the type, not my cup of tea, either. They can believe what they want to believe, when they start physically trying to do something, then that is when they cross the line.

[Xue Sheng]

People who know they are right think it's their duty to inform you of the error of your ways. Best thing is to walk away.

Is this the same as "those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves" :)

[Tez3]

Hmmm.....T-shirt opportunity here, methinks.

GLORIFYING VIOLENCE AND GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL
AT _________ MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL!


:boing1:

I want one!!

[FearlessFreep]

Is this the same as "those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves" :)

Or "those who think they know it all really annoy those of us who do"

[Tez3]

Is this the same as "those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves" :)

Yes that's them, in a minute there's a programme on the BBC I'm going to watch it's about Mary Whitehouse, a campaigner for decency etc. She managed to see 'dirty sex' and other digusting things in just about every TV programme that was on. Sometimes the rest of us never realised there was something rude about a song, programme,book etc until she pointed it out to us!! Of course she could watch these things without being influenced but the rest of us couldn't. We had to be protected. Among the programmes she campaigned against were Tom and Jerry and Doctor Who.
Actually I wonder if the OPs old dear was an American cousin of Mary Whitehouse!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Whitehouse

[Empty Hands]

Yes that's them, in a minute there's a programme on the BBC I'm going to watch it's about Mary Whitehouse, a campaigner for decency etc.

Ah yes, even this parochial American knew about Mary Whitehouse, thanks to her immortalization in the lyrics of Pink Floyd's "Pigs."

"Hey you, Whitehouse
Ha, ha, charade you are
You house proud town mouse
Ha, ha, charade you are
You're trying to keep our feelings off the street
You're nearly a real treat
All tight lips and cold feet
And do you feel abused?
You got to stem the evil tide
And keep it all on the inside
Mary you're nearly a treat
Mary you're nearly a treat
But you're really a cry"

[Xue Sheng]

Yes that's them, in a minute there's a programme on the BBC I'm going to watch it's about Mary Whitehouse, a campaigner for decency etc. She managed to see 'dirty sex' and other digusting things in just about every TV programme that was on. Sometimes the rest of us never realised there was something rude about a song, programme,book etc until she pointed it out to us!! Of course she could watch these things without being influenced but the rest of us couldn't. We had to be protected. Among the programmes she campaigned against were Tom and Jerry and Doctor Who.
Actually I wonder if the OPs old dear was an American cousin of Mary Whitehouse!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Whitehouse

One of my kids watches a show called Oswald and it is the most calming, innocent, kid friendly show I have ever seen but I am betting if this person of whom you speak ever saw it they would be appalled by some of the words that if taken out of context could be seen as obscene. I get a kick out of these people, but then this is stuff of another post


Or "those who think they know it all really annoy those of us who do"

or

Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.
-- Plato,

oh no... sorry that is different :D

I just had to fit that in somehow "my political statement for the day", sorry

[howard]

ok... who came in here and deleted posts?

Shouldn't you at least own up to that? Especially when you delete posts that weren't inflammatory, and were within all of your rules?

Pretty poor IMO.

[theletch1]

No one "deleted" anything. There were two pages of posts that were off the original topic and in danger of derailing the thread. They have been moved here (http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63811) should you care to continue that particular debate.