Martial arts: Way of the Warrior

[MinnieMin]

It's on TV Discovery channel now. Please turn it on.

[Elfan]

How was it?

[karatekid1975]

I thought it was interesting. I liked the bit about Goju Ryu. Interesting style. I didn't know anything about it. Just the little bit that they showed, I learned a lot. I like to try it some day :)

[Kirk]

It's on again in a couple hours. Right now, Martial Arts Kung Fu
Fighter is on, and then Martial Arts: The Way Of The Samurai is
on after that, then a replay of said show after that.

[MinnieMin]

Originally posted by karatekid1975
I thought it was interesting. I liked the bit about Goju Ryu. Interesting style. I didn't know anything about it. Just the little bit that they showed, I learned a lot. I like to try it some day :)

Me too, Goju Ryu was my favorite art among these others. I liked the other arts too; very interesting.

Kirk, see you at the seminar. :)

Min

[Cthulhu]

That would have been a really good show if it were not for the inclusion of that Combat Ki crap. They've aired that show several times in the past, and I watch it up until the Juko-Kai poop. Then I get pissed and turn the TV off.

Cthulhu

[MinnieMin]

Originally posted by Cthulhu
That would have been a really good show if it were not for the inclusion of that Combat Ki crap. They've aired that show several times in the past, and I watch it up until the Juko-Kai poop. Then I get pissed and turn the TV off.

Cthulhu
Funny, I just talked about it with my friend, Lisa, how stupid that crap (Combat Ki) was when we drove to San Antonio for HUK's seminar this morning. I understand you totally.

Min

[Disco]

I saw that on TV also and I would less than honest if I said I wasen't skeptical. What are your viewpoints on it? My first question is why would I want or need to subject my body to that level of punishment, if in fact there was no trickery involved. It is just really hard for me to accept there position. I've been hit many times in training and competition and there's no way I could transfix my mental state as they claim and still function with speed and retaliation techiques. I'm perplexed............

[Jas0n]

Originally posted by Disco
I saw that on TV also and I would less than honest if I said I wasen't skeptical. What are your viewpoints on it? My first question is why would I want or need to subject my body to that level of punishment, if in fact there was no trickery involved. It is just really hard for me to accept there position. I've been hit many times in training and competition and there's no way I could transfix my mental state as they claim and still function with speed and retaliation techiques. I'm perplexed............ I dont really understand it myself...Is it for real the show called it a martial art?

[sweeper]

well that's what I'm unsure of.. they didn't realy show sparring from the art, I mean everytime they prepare to take a hit they go into stance and "chi up" as they said.. that's not very practical of fighting in my opinion..

[MinnieMin]

Originally posted by sweeper
well that's what I'm unsure of.. they didn't realy show sparring from the art, I mean everytime they prepare to take a hit they go into stance and "chi up" as they said.. that's not very practical of fighting in my opinion..

In real fight, they have no time to prepare the stance and take time to chi up before they receive the hit.

[Mike Clarke]

I'm down under in Australia so I can't tune in to your t.v.

However, if you're talking about the old B.B.C. [England] television series, The Way of the Warrior that was made back in the early 1980s then I agree they are great. I've had them all on video since they were first shown back in 1983.

The goju-ryu programme covers Higaonna Morio sensei at his dojo in Naha, Okinawa's capital city. On the strength of that show I travelled to Okinawa from my home in England and found that dojo to start my training in Goju-ryu. I had already been training in another style of karate for ten years, but was happy to start over from the begining.

I learnt how to hit a makiwara on the one seen in the programme and trained with all those students seen in the dojo. I have many good memories of that time even though the training was really hard. Twenty years later, I'm still training in goju-ryu and still loving it.

Mike.

[sweeper]

I'm not sure if it's the same one, this program I think was like a top 10 martial arts in the world type thing. or maybe I'm thinking of something else

[TKDman]

Goju Ryu looked awesome.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Mike Clarke
I'm down under in Australia so I can't tune in to your t.v.

However, if you're talking about the old B.B.C. [England] television series, The Way of the Warrior that was made back in the early 1980s then I agree they are great. I've had them all on video since they were first shown back in 1983.


I too have the whole series and think they are really well documented.
I actually knew Hung Yi Syan from the TaiChi show. I met him at a MA demonstration in Taipei and ate dinner at his home on several occasions. We also talked about Chinese and Okinawan MA and how they were very similar.
He was a very nice man.
I did find it rather odd that the narrator said Mr. Hung didn’t speak Mandarin….since he does use a little bit of Mandarin on the documentary and I spoke to him in Mandarin while at his home.

[Cthulhu]

I have a book of the same title that was published as sort of an accompaniment to the TV show. Very nicely done book. Unfortunately, I've never had the chance to see the show.

Cthulhu

[Mike Clarke]

Ryu Shin Kan,

I have some old footage taken when a delegation from Okinawa [Uechi-ryu mostly?] made a visit to Taiwan. I think it was in the 1960's [could be a little later?]. Sifu Hung is one of the Chinese martial artist demonstrating for the Okinawan visitors.
He looks quite young at the time and a fair bit lighter, but still a real handfull.

Cthulhu,

Yes I have the book too. I love the pencil drawings in it. The photos taken at the two goju-ryu dojo bring back many memories for me.

Mike.

[Kirk]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
I too have the whole series and think they are really well documented.
I actually knew Hung Yi Syan from the TaiChi show. I met him at a MA demonstration in Taipei and ate dinner at his home on several occasions. We also talked about Chinese and Okinawan MA and how they were very similar.
He was a very nice man.
I did find it rather odd that the narrator said Mr. Hung didn’t speak Mandarin….since he does use a little bit of Mandarin on the documentary and I spoke to him in Mandarin while at his home.

Did you see the other one? The Way of the Samurai?

Boy, the had an American, who's been in Japan 10 or 20 years,
studying with this 8th Dan. The American was beating the snot
out of his students, and running them through the gauntlet in
their training. It was quite humbling!!! Then he goes to his
Sensei's school for HIS training, which was super wild to watch.
6 foot something American, 5 foot something MUCH shorter
Japanese man knocking the ever loving snot out of him!

I'm assuming its the fear of lawsuits in this country that have
toned down American training so severly.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Kirk
Did you see the other one? The Way of the Samurai?

Boy, the had an American, who's been in Japan 10 or 20 years,
studying with this 8th Dan. The American was beating the snot
out of his students, and running them through the gauntlet in
their training. It was quite humbling!!! Then he goes to his
Sensei's school for HIS training, which was super wild to watch.
6 foot something American, 5 foot something MUCH shorter
Japanese man knocking the ever loving snot out of him!

I'm assuming its the fear of lawsuits in this country that have
toned down American training so severly.


No, I haven’t seen that one.
What was this American guy studying anyway?

As much as I ***** about Japanese being total gutless wonders I have to give it to their mind set about entering a dojo.
Basically when you enter a dojo here you just expect to get the crap kicked out of you…all the time…..everytime.
A Judojo is a great example.
Two of my students are Japanese Secret Service Agents.
Through their introduction they and I used to work out with the Japanese Riot Squad……..instead of Judo is more like “The Whoop Ass Hour”. That group often did things that aren’t allowed in most Judojo. Because of their job as Riot Cops I think they like to go at it a bit rougher.
I think It was a blast!

If we did some of that in the US I bet we would have been sued.

[chufeng]

instead of Judo is more like “The Whoop Ass Hour”. That group often did things that aren’t allowed in most Judojo. It was a blast!
If we did some of that in the US I bet we would have been sued.

That sucks...and that, in part, is why I don't go out looking for "everyone" to learn YiLi...we like to bump heads.

:asian:
chufeng

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by chufeng
That sucks...and that, in part, is why I don't go out looking for "everyone" to learn YiLi...we like to bump heads.

:asian:
chufeng


Yeah, I know what you mean.
My dojo is not exactly "over flowing".;)

[Rich Parsons]

In our Club, we have as many or more Black Belts then Students.

The Ratio is 5 to 4 right now. This allows for the BB to train with each other and for the students to get good one on one training.

We can get rough and we can get tough and not worry. The one that stay are their for a reason. We are not teaching to make the rent and or feed ourselves. We do it for the love of the art.


Train well everyone :)

:asian:

[Kirk]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
What was this American guy studying anyway?


They said the specific name, and for the life of me, I can't
remember now :(

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Kirk
They said the specific name, and for the life of me, I can't
remember now :(


Was it Karate........judo.........jujutsu......kendo?

[Kirk]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
Was it Karate........judo.........jujutsu......kendo?

Karate

[Kirk]

Future Showtimes (at the time of this writing 02-28-2003)

On Air (ET):

Mar 24 2003
7:00 PM

Mar 25 2003
2:00 AM

Martial Arts: Kung Fu Fighter



Explore the mythic past and mysterious preseny
of "traditional" Asian martial arts. Follow the
strict regimen of students training in the ancient
art of Kung Fu. Travel to Japan to experience
Karate, Ninjitsu and Tai Chi Ch'uan.



:asian:

[bujinclergy]

Originally posted by sweeper well that's what I'm unsure of.. they didn't realy show sparring from the art, I mean everytime they prepare to take a hit they go into stance and "chi up" as they said.. that's not very practical of fighting in my opinion..

The "Combat Ki" of Juko-kai is just one aspect of subtraining in their art. Chubu Shorin Ryu which is a lineage down from Seidokan is the Kata of the Karate Division they do. The Jujutsu they have been doing has been around since the late 60's. These people are not new to the martial arts. There will be a National Clinic in Louisiana in May sponsored by the Jujutsu guys who have been with Sacharnoski Sensei for around 30 years. People should show up and pass judgement rather than get "pissed off" at a TV show.

I'd put money on it no-one from these boards will show up....

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Cthulhu
That would have been a really good show if it were not for the inclusion of that Combat Ki crap. They've aired that show several times in the past, and I watch it up until the Juko-Kai poop. Then I get pissed and turn the TV off.

Cthulhu


One of the “nut-knockers” in Juko-kai has connections to The Discovery Channel and several other shows.

I and several other MA people wrote The Discovery Channel explaining what a CLASS A fake Rod Sacharnoski is and even supplied several independent organizations (Attorney General for the state Sacharnoski lives in for one) they could write to that would corroborate the facts we had given them.

The Discovery Channel’s reply was that they didn’t really try to verify the claims of the people on their show.

My respect level for The Discovery Channel went waaaaaaaaaay down after that.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by bujinclergy
The "Combat Ki" of Juko-kai is just one aspect of subtraining in their art. Chubu Shorin Ryu which is a lineage down from Seidokan is the Kata of the Karate Division they do. The Jujutsu they have been doing has been around since the late 60's. These people are not new to the martial arts. There will be a National Clinic in Louisiana in May sponsored by the Jujutsu guys who have been with Sacharnoski Sensei for around 30 years. People should show up and pass judgement rather than get "pissed off" at a TV show.

I'd put money on it no-one from these boards will show up....


Uh………. I and several others exposed Sacharnoski, Head of Juko-kai, bogus claims to his connection with several MA organizations (Motobu Ryu & Hontai Yoshin Ryu to be exact).

According to folks at the Seidokan HQ in Okinawa Sacharnoski’s connection to Seidokan is dubious at best. Mr. Toma, head of Seidokan, is also a very good friend of my teacher.

In fact Don Cunningham found a dan certificate that Sacharnoski was trying to pass of as a real Seidokan Certificate.
I look at it and instead of it saying Seidokan = True Way House it , it said Seidokan= Sex Way House. (different kanji but they have the same sound....Sei) Sacharnoski had made a bogus certificate and screwed up the kanji.
Sacharnoski was questioned about this and said there was a different meaning for “his” version.
Just to make sure I had several Japanese MA look at it and after they quite laughing they asked if it was a joke.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by bujinclergy
I'd put money on it no-one from these boards will show up....

Thanks, but no thanks.
I have no intention of wasting time/money on airfare to fly half way around the world to find out what I already know after making inquiries about Sacharnoski in Japan and Okinawa.

[yilisifu]

Ditto. On the other hand, any of them is certainly welcome to come HERE and I'll show them why they're wrong.

[Chizikunbo]

Was taika oyata in this series?