Drunken Martial Arts

[Zepp]

Has anyone out there ever studied drunken boxing or drunken kung-fu? Anyone care to comment on whether these are legitimate martial arts? Can anyone tell me the differences between different drunken styles?

Know of any teachers of these styles in California (especially southern CA)?

Got any good stories of TUI (training under the influence)? :)

[GaryM]

I don't know anything about the drunken styles beyond what I saw in a Jackie Chan movie. I won't teach or work out with other's when I've been drinking nor will I go shooting for the obvious reasons. I did have a rather spectacular explosion when I hit the chandeler in my kitchen doing long three about two inches from the bottom of a bottle of Cuervo.

[MountainSage]

In my TKD school one guy takes Kung Fu at college and does some drunken style. I've sparred with him and find this style to be effective in the sense that you are drawn towards your opponent where he can strike out quickly with a hand technique or a low leg technique. It also confusing because of the constant body level changes. For a person of smaller stature I think this is an execellent addition.

Mountain Sage

[Master of Blades]

lol I didnt realise there was actually a Drunken Style! Wow :rolleyes:

[Jas0n]

My understanding is your movements make it seem as your drunk but your not actually drunk...Sorrect me if i am wrong?

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Jas0n
My understanding is your movements make it seem as your drunk but your not actually drunk...Sorrect me if i am wrong?

So bit like 5 Animals only Drunk?

[MartialArtist]

Yeah, you don't fight drunk if I remember. You act like it for deception.

If you're drunk, you won't remember anything or that you even got into a fight, and most fights involving drunkards are sluggish and they just throw their fists in some weird figure 8 type thing or go back and forth <-->

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
Yeah, you don't fight drunk if I remember. You act like it for deception.

If you're drunk, you won't remember anything or that you even got into a fight, and most fights involving drunkards are sluggish and they just throw their fists in some weird figure 8 type thing or go back and forth <-->

Okay, thanks for the info :asian:

[theneuhauser]

actually, being drunk was supposed to be the preferred state for applying the technique. dulls the senses and all.

[MartialArtist]

Have anyone seen a fight between two drunks? Most end up with both guys going to the ground, out cold or both just lay there on the ground after doing the figure 8 "punches" or the side sway motion "punches". That might have to do with Royce's high numbers of 80% of the fights or something like that go to the ground w/ both people.

[TLH3rdDan]

yes there are drunken styles... yes they are effective mainly due to there deceptive nature... they are very demanding as far as physical training... alot of break falls... wah lum pai has a drunken set in it... ive only seen it done once... it was really interesting... and no drinking is involved in the training as far as i know... i dont see how you could be drunk and still have the timing and corrodination to pull the techniques off... and no its nothing like 5 animal

[diggum]

many of the styles and arts have one or more "drunken" sets. There's no standard "Drunken Boxing" style that you can go learn. Most of the Chinese variations tend to center their concept around an old Chinese legend about a group of Immortals who are all drunk and take a little boat ride. The forms tend to base the movements off of the personality of each immortal. This ends up giving a good arsenal of techniques - some brute strength moves, some small joint manipulation, fighting from odd levels or balances, etc.

It's fun as hell to watch, and Jackie's movies using it as the theme are some of his best - he's having fun and it's a very humor-laden topic. I've got some training videos that have a Shaolin monk running through the form empty-hand, with a staff, and finally with a sword. Very deceptive and dangerous. Many of the moves are feints that are simply used to get in close and tie up the opponent.

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by TLH3rdDan
... and no its nothing like 5 animal

Lol just like you to go out of your way and make me feel stupid :rolleyes: Guess it gets me back for the "The Loser has....." thing huh :shrug:

[Zepp]

diggum,
Actually, I have heard of a self-contained art called drunken boxing (or Zai Quan, I think). It's hard to find any concrete information on the internet on it or any other drunken style, which is why I posted here in the hopes that someone had some.

I did however find that story you mentioned about the Eight Immortals. I'll see if I can find it again and post the link.

[TLH3rdDan]

Lol just like you to go out of your way and make me feel stupid Guess it gets me back for the "The Loser has....." thing huh :rofl: pay back is a b***h huh lol

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by TLH3rdDan
:rofl: pay back is a b***h huh lol

Now that you mention it.........Just remember, what goes around comes around........AGAIN!!!! MWUAHAHAHAHA :rofl:

[TLH3rdDan]

hey thats cool i dont mind a little ribbing... just remember ill be coming right back at ya lol

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by TLH3rdDan
hey thats cool i dont mind a little ribbing... just remember ill be coming right back at ya lol


I'll keep that in mind.........just remember that its ALL good :rofl:

[SRyuFighter]

Drunken kung fu was designed for monks who were wanting to act as if they were drunk when leaving a bar so they wouldn't get hassled by the military. They would act as if they were drunk and pretend it was all random when they were beating the crap out of the officer. Quite an ingenous idea.

[Zepp]

Ok, I was wrong. I guess there isn't actually a self-contained drunken style (not that I can find anyways). Maybe I was drunk when I last looked it up.

But I did find a few good sites on the subject with information on the legends about the Eight Immortals. Here's the one I liked best: http://www.usadojo.com/aboutdrunkardboxing.htm

[7starmantis]

Yes there is a "Drunken Style" It is as self contained as most CMA are, yet it has become an addition to training for advanced persons. My sifu knows some drunken sets and forms, they are effective, but are very intricite and physically demanding.

It was originally practiced while drinking, but the idea was to drink the right amount and stop, not to become drunk like most movies show. Now it is not practiced while drinking, at least no one I know does it that way.

One thing about it, it is very awesome to watch!!! :)

7sm

PS: There may be more info with the guys in the CMA section as well.

[Zepp]

Coolness.

7starmantis,
Would you happen to know of, or be able to find out about, instructors who would teach Drunken Style to a martial artist without CMA experience? Especially any in Southern California.

It's one of those things on my list. :)

[arnisador]

I think it's correct that drunken style is not typically taught as a self-contained style but rather as a component of another style.

[7starmantis]

Originally posted by Zepp
Coolness.

7starmantis,
Would you happen to know of, or be able to find out about, instructors who would teach Drunken Style to a martial artist without CMA experience? Especially any in Southern California.

It's one of those things on my list. :)

I don't know of anyone who would teach any drunken sets to anyone other than one of their far advanced students. When you get into CMA, one "system" usually is integrated with others. For example, in my 7 star mantis, we learn some wah lum forms as beginers to learn movements, then we start our 7 star forms in the intermediate class. Several of our "Kung Fu Uncles" come and teach forms from time to time, alot of Hung Gar, tai chi, wah lum, etc. Its hard to break these down to a system since they are just sets from each system. We aren't learning Hung Gar, but we learned the hung gar punching set. Thats the way they veiw the drunken sets we get to learn, they are an addition for advanced students.
So, no, sorry I don't know anyone who would teach a "drunken style" in and of itself. I would be a little leary of someone who did. You really need a strong base to start on advanced techniques.

hope this helped....
7sm

[Master of Blades]

I guess its all about finding the right teacher and not someone who gets drunk and pretends to do Kung Fu while you pay him :rolleyes:

[Skarbromantis]

"Drunken kung fu was designed for monks who were wanting to act as if they were drunk when leaving a bar so they wouldn't get hassled by the military. They would act as if they were drunk and pretend it was all random when they were beating the crap out of the officer. Quite an ingenous idea."


Thats ther most funny story I have heard, I hope you dont really belive it.


" many of the styles and arts have one or more "drunken" sets. There's no standard "Drunken Boxing" style that you can go learn."

Thats correct,

"Most of the Chinese variations tend to center their concept around an old Chinese legend about a group of Immortals who are all drunk and take a little boat ride. The forms tend to base the movements off of the personality of each immortal. This ends up giving a good arsenal of techniques - some brute strength moves, some small joint manipulation, fighting from odd levels or balances, etc "

The only version that uses that story in the forms is the Drunken Boxing of the 8 Immortals, in other systems of drunken boxing the story has nothing to do with the moves, but still credit Li the drunken Immortal, with creating the style, after killing a man, Li became a Buddhist Monk, to avoid trial, but never lost his drinking habit, after the monks caught him and threw him out of the grounds, but before he left, he beat over 30 monks, and created the style, so legand says.

I have learned 1 Drunken weapon form, and it is very hard and demanding, its a PM double edged sword form.

"So, no, sorry I don't know anyone who would teach a "drunken style" in and of itself. I would be a little leary of someone who did. You really need a strong base to start on advanced techniques."

So true 7*, I would feel the same.

Skard1



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[SRyuFighter]

No I don't believe it. I made it up. But there is Drunken Kung Fu. It was my attempt at humor. Sorry if I confused anyone.

[Skarbromantis]

Originally posted by SRyuFighter
No I don't believe it. I made it up. But there is Drunken Kung Fu. It was my attempt at humor. Sorry if I confused anyone.

No, like I said, I laughed so hard, thanks for the joke, I thought maybe someone told you that, funny stuff!

Skard1

[SRyuFighter]

Glad to be of service.

[Ninway J]

http://www.joybotsin.com/

I guess here is a drunken style, in and of itself, in Oakland California. What do you guys think?

[7starmantis]

Looks cool, I think however that the skill level you would have to attain to actually use drunken moves to really defend yourself would have to be extremely high. I think I would never use it to defend myself because I don't know that I will ever reach that level of skill.

7sm

[Black Bear]

On a semi-related note, senshido (Richard Dimitri's RBSD system) advocates sparring and doing simulation after drinking a few, in order to replicate what things might be like if you defend yourself in a club or bar.

Crazy to me, yet makes sense in a way.

[drunken mistress]

Judging by my extensive film collection there are drunken forms of most of the animal forms in Kung Fu - Drunken Mantis, Drunken Monkey etc. The style seems to be a few staggering feints followed by the real hit. It´s not dissimilar to the technique of one black belt I know who, being a shortish lady fighting big blokes, does a few punches to the face all of which are blocked then puts in a fast spinning reverse kick much to her opponent´s surprise. The drunken style looks great fun. I only wish classes were more readily available worldwide!

[Ninway J]

I remember watching a small martial arts tournament in Hilo, Hawaii back in 1997. There was this one match with a Monkey Kung Fu practitioner against a Kempo practitioner.

The Monkey dude used a drunken form against the Kempo dude. Guess who won by getting the most strikes in? You guessed it...the Monkey dude using a drunken style.

It was very, very interesting and fun to watch. I could kind-of sense the surprise and frustration the Kempo guy was enduring. It seemed he really didn't expect a lot of the strikes coming towards him. The Monkey guy was very good on the defensive when strikes came in towards him as well.

drunken mistress, I assume you train in a drunken style?

[drunken mistress]

I wish I was! I have only ever had one Kung Fu lesson from a visiting student. Unfortunately there are no lessons anywhere near me. I do Karate as the next best thing. There is a large Northern Chinese community where I live in Spain. My son (7) is pestering the only Chinese boy in his school (6) to teach him the secrets of Kung Fu but alas, Lo Yen, after demonstrating one or two moves will give no more!
I am very much an admirer of the style though!

[Ninway J]

For all of you interested in Drunken Kung Fu, the Lau Family Eight Immortals Drunken Kung Fu website has just put up some video clips. Enjoy! :asian:

http://www.joybotsin.com/

[WLMantisKid]

There are those who practice a drunken boxing kung fu thats an entire style... one such teacher of it is Troy Dunbar. But if you start out learning the STYLE of drunken boxing, you're more than likely going to learn basic kung fu before you even dabble in the drunken ways.

I spoke to my Sifu (wah lum pai) about learning drunken forms and how far along I might be expected to learn it and he mentioned ranges in the years as he doesn't even know it yet. But I do know that the bodily control to look out of control while remaining in control is great. I can't wait untill I get a chance to learn such things.

[Ninway J]

There are those who practice a drunken boxing kung fu thats an entire style... one such teacher of it is Troy Dunbar.

You mean Troy Dunwood, right?

[WLMantisKid]

Er... yeah sorry. I remember his name from a passing glance.

[TonyM.]

The drunken boxing I have seen is an advanced style that is usually taught before no style. It does not resemble what is portrayed in the movie at all. Also most sifus' do not advocate drinking to get the feeling of the style.

[8253]

drink a fifth of wild turkey and find out
:drinkbeer