Nike-do (aka running)

[Decker]

Hi all.

Just curious, and hopefully this isn't a stupid question.

I'd like to know if anyone runs regularly, whether as part of MA training or not.

I'm sure it indeed is a good booster for overall fitness, as well as a very reliable "art" for ending/avoiding street confrontations, :lol: but I've noticed, for my place, at least, we've never run, whether as part of a warm-up or as an exercise in itself.

Your thoughts?

Thanks.

[Sukerkin]

When I trained in Lau Gar, we'd spend up to an hour running circuits of the dojo, interspersed with other stretching and strengthing excercises.

Back then, I also used to run three miles a day (two in the morning and one at night) as well as cycle twenty five miles a day (minimum) and swimming/weight training/sparring practice on rotating days.

I've been considering working back into doing some running again of late to try and combat the middle-aged spread that's engulfing me but I suspect I may have to start off with regular walking first and see how the body reacts :D.

[JadecloudAlchemist]

I don't run for health I walk for it. At times I practice certain walking drills
1. Sinking the weight down and taking big long steps 2. Having the feet close and taking very small steps. 3. walking at 45* shuffle.
I try to get as creative as I can with walking and for me walking falls into 2 catagories 1. for health and 2. for martial arts. martial arts walking would be working on foot work in your particular art.
Thats just my thoughts

[Omar B]

My first Sensei had running as a part of regular classes, but then our classes were held at my old prep school so we just had to leave the training room and go down to the football field.

I do run on my own every morning as part of my independent training. I do about 3 and a half to 4 miles (depending on if I wanna tackle a hill that day or not).

[meth18au]

Just curious, and hopefully this isn't a stupid question.

I'd like to know if anyone runs regularly, whether as part of MA training or not.



Not a stupid question at all. I do a fair bit of running both on my own, and at my school. The fighters go for runs every afternoon. Anyone is welcome to run if they feel like it. I also do my own runs in the morning, varies at different times of the year. Between 2-4 times per week. I try mix it up as much as possible. Long distance, mid distance, short distance, HIIT, sprint drills etc etc.

I love it. Good fitness booster, that's for sure!!!

[Cirdan]

We regularly run for warm up. I occationally run outside class but mostly walk evrywhere. I don`t take the bus unless it is an hour or so to walk.

[MJS]

Hi all.

Just curious, and hopefully this isn't a stupid question.

I'd like to know if anyone runs regularly, whether as part of MA training or not.

I'm sure it indeed is a good booster for overall fitness, as well as a very reliable "art" for ending/avoiding street confrontations, :lol: but I've noticed, for my place, at least, we've never run, whether as part of a warm-up or as an exercise in itself.

Your thoughts?

Thanks.

I do run, but I'm not a huge fan of it. I will admit though that it is a good way to get in shape and build up your cardio. Of course, there are other methods that are less impact and still give an awesome cardio workout. Most of the running I do is on a treadmill. I avoid the boring feel to it, I usually try to mix it up a little. Ex: Walk/run for 1 min each. for a certain amount of time. Slow jog/sprint. Set the machine for a certain incline and run.

I usually pick something different each time. Its always a good thing to challenge the body. :)

Mike

[YoungMan]

I run and do other forms of cardio all the time. However, running is not part of my Tae Kwon Do workout; it complements it but is a separate entity.
I have entered several 10 K's and Half Marathons, winning everything from medals to pies!
I've also noticed, I tend to be in better shape than other Master Instructors my age and older.

[Xue Sheng]

I'd like to know if anyone runs regularly, whether as part of MA training or not.


running in moderation is good, over do it, like the guy I use to work with that ran in 2 knee braces due to the 3 operations he has had per knee due to running is bad.

I use to run but a back injury several years ago stopped that, I wish I still could, but I am now using a treadmill and stationary bike

[Decker]

I run mainly to keep myself fit enough to pass that part of physical fitness tests, as well as to ensure I don't suffer that much during military service (it's compulsory in my country).

Aside from that... well, my knees are how they are now thanks to running in improper shoes.
Apparently I have low arches, according to the sports doctor I saw, even though the wet sole test shows I have normal arches, so the poor alignment caused pain and (I think) poor tracking of my kneecap.

It's been almost a year after physiotherapy (prescribed gym training under supervision). Don't hurt anymore, though they still click like mad.

[Nomad]

I have recently started running to complement my MA training. I am doing wind sprints for ~20 minutes 2-3 times a week to increase my cardio fitness and endurance.

In class, we'll do some light running occasionally to warm up, though most of the time it's closer to a fast walk.

I'm not the fastest runner around, and if I haven't outrun whoever's chasing me in the first mile, I'm gonna turn and fight ;) No need (for me) for the marathoner's stamina.

[SageGhost83]

I am currently training in WTF Taekwondo and we start each class with a 1 mile run, and then we do an insane amount of fast-paced line drills. Coincidently, this is where we lose most of our new students :lol:. Back when I trained in shotokan, we did very little running, if any at all. However, we more than made up for it when it was time for kata practice - I still have nightmares about hearing my sensei say "again" in broken english after having worked through the entire heian and tekki sets at full speed with no breaks in between :lfao:.

[still learning]

Hello, Running is one of best ways to stay in shape. A big benifit is the thinking time while running....this builds up a stronger mind.

Those who run daily...knows the body needs this form of medicine!

Running skills...is really a martial art skill? ..cause everyone is told it is better to flee (run) than fight? ...Right?

IF you don't run often...many of us will notice we cannot run far?

If running is not a part of your routine? ....than you are missing something that will help you in the long "RUN".

The last Kona coffee marthon in Kona had a 69 year Japanese lady who finish...how many of us can run that far in one day?

When you hit the fifties and up....running really keeps you going more...!

Aloha ( running is one step at a time....best to run one way..that way you have the make the same trip back....works for us)

[MantisStyle21]

Our school runs everynow and then, not often enough to say its part of our training though.

However that does not stop me myself from running daily, it's a great way to start my morning and get me ready fro school...and no matter what people say...runners high is the most amazing feeling in the world

I love to run in the mountains, I run as fast and as hard as I can just to get runners high...then I get to the peak of the mountain and just stare, its the most amazing thing ever.

[turtle]

I like to include some light running as a warm-up, especially for AM classes or when it's cold outside. Just something to get everyone sweating good. Sometimes we'll do sprinting drills, especially if the class energy is a little low.

Personally, I took up running after I tore my ACL. Sounds crazy but it was the one thing I could do to build up my legs after the surgery. My PT said I needed to strengthen my hamstrings/quads and that it had to be straight ahead movement, so TKD was pretty much out for a while. That was 10 years ago and I love running now. It took about 2 years to really build a good cardio base. Did a few half marathons and 10Ks but mostly I like to run because I enjoy it (yep, runner's high is amazing) and it keeps me in good overall condition.

[IcemanSK]

I run regularly, but not as a part of class.

When I first began my training, my instructor would occassionally take us out running on Saturdays. I never appreciated it then...probably because I didn't have good running shoes & had bad asthma.

Now, I'm properly medicated & have the right shoes for me. I love it, now.

[turtle]

Iceman, have you found that running has helped with your Asthma?

I was the kid who had to sit out of gym class because of asthma. When I first started running, 7 minutes of continuous running was my max and then I had to walk to recover. Now I can easily go 90 minutes of straight running with any type of medication. When I had surgery last year, the anesthesiologist pronounced me "asthma free". Not sure it's all due to running, but my lung capacity has made huge improvements in the last ten years.

[IcemanSK]

Iceman, have you found that running has helped with your Asthma?

I was the kid who had to sit out of gym class because of asthma. When I first started running, 7 minutes of continuous running was my max and then I had to walk to recover. Now I can easily go 90 minutes of straight running with any type of medication. When I had surgery last year, the anesthesiologist pronounced me "asthma free". Not sure it's all due to running, but my lung capacity has made huge improvements in the last ten years.

Running has helped my asthma a great deal. There was a time (20 years ago) when I had 30% lung capacity during a test at my doctor's office. It was during a particularly bad attack. I started running about a year later, & now I'm at about 90% capacity! Moving from Chicago to Los Angeles helped, too. Now I just have to deal with other alergy syptoms. But, yes! it's a lot better:supcool:

[turtle]

There was a time (20 years ago) when I had 30% lung capacity during a test at my doctor's office. It was during a particularly bad attack. I started running about a year later, & now I'm at about 90% capacity!

Wow, that's a terrific improvement! I've always wondered if it was a fluke that I improved - good to know that it's not.

[IcemanSK]

Wow, that's a terrific improvement! I've always wondered if it was a fluke that I improved - good to know that it's not.

Even tho I've had asthma for 36 years, I don't know as much about it as I 'd like. When I was a kid, I was told by my doctor that I might grow out of it by about 18 or so. So, I stopped taking the meds at 19-20. Bad idea! That's when I started seriously following up with the doctor & swimming & running.

Nope, it's not a fluke...you work at it & listen to the doctor & it will improve.

[Em MacIntosh]

As with anything you have to consider your personal physiology. It's a balance between microfractures that increase your bone density and joint erosion from the friction which can lead to arthritis and tendonitis and other nasty thorns. Where to find that ideal balance is different with everyone but you should consider the length of your legs and the leverage required for each step. Swimming, on the other hand, is easy on the joints but if done exclusively without proper moderation you'll lose bone density. It is essential for everyone to be able to run if they need to (and can) and it should be practiced but cautiously. There are many aspects to fitness. I'd say you'd want to up your calcium and proteine intake. I like to warm up with a light run, once I feel warmed up I sprint until I'm winded and go back to a light run to catch my breath. Once I'm exhausted is when I like to train. That works for me but may not work for another. I run every second day in order to give my bones a break to recover.

[redfang]

I run as a compliment to training. I run both for distance and speed (separately). Distance running is great but doesn't do as much for helping with the kind of burst energy you need in a fight or match. For that I do wind sprints or circuit train.

[Decker]

Iceman, you mentioned you were at 30% lung capacity, and later improved to 90%... May I know what that means? What's 100%?

[IcemanSK]

Iceman, you mentioned you were at 30% lung capacity, and later improved to 90%... May I know what that means? What's 100%?

My understanding, is that most people with good lung capacity have the abilty to fill their lungs higher than 80% of capacity. (ie. they use their lungs efficiently). I think (I may be wrong) that elite athletes are the few that have max capacity.

30% was "dangerously low" according to my doctor. He didn't know how I was able to talk normally at that time. (I wasn't even having an asthma attack at the time). He told me that if I wasn't 19 years old & in relatively good shape, he'd put me on oxygen.

I was "self-prescribing" Bronkaid & Primatine (those over the counter "restores breathing in 15 seconds" sprays) & the doctor was mad. The way they work so fast is by speeding up the heart even quicker than Albuterol does. He said, "even at your age, you run a huge risk of dying of a heart attack taking that stuff!" Since then, I take regular meds for it.

[kailat]

I run several times a week, and we incorporate it in our training group. It's a great source of health as well a definate defense mechanism "NIKEJITSU" or Nike-do as you refer to it is by far one of the better self defense tools. If you can run distance your stamina in a fight will be better. just my opinion

[Xue Sheng]

As I sat in a Chinese restaraunt yesterday in Chinatown this came to me

Nike-do could be called Pao Dao (running way or way of running) in Chinese.

Hmmm I think I just came up with a WHOLE new CMA style that I can be GRANDMASTER :mst: of. :EG: :D

[Decker]

You'll have professional runners challenging you to "duels" then, hehe. And you really might be unable to run away from those.

Belt system could be composed of progressively heavier weight belts. You'd really earn your rank in that one, lol.

[Xue Sheng]

You'll have professional runners challenging you to "duels" then, hehe. And you really might be unable to run away from those.

Belt system could be composed of progressively heavier weight belts. You'd really earn your rank in that one, lol.

CMA = no belts

But heavy iron rings hung on the arms might work, particularly for those professional runners that challenge me :D

[punisher73]

When I hear of Nike-Do (or Pao Dao..I like that) I think of running away from a fight or to safety. I think that running is great exercise and will help with your overall general fitness but here are some other things to consider also.

1) Practice sprinting. If you are running from someone it is not going to be at a pace to keep going. You need to improve your anaerobic capacity for running. Try doing 400's and 800's, The 800 (1/2 mile) is one of the hardest races because it is almost a sprint but not quite.

2) Practice running safely and tactically. If you are going to run for safety how are you going to do that? Is it going to be straight line from point A to point B, or are you going to zig-zag and be going over obstacles like fences, trash etc. I think agility drills would be very beneficial as part of your training as well.

As "Still Learning" pointed out, long runs can be GREAT for mental training as well. Not only thinking through things but also the mental fortitude to not quit when it would be so easy to do so.

[7starmarc]

For what it's worth, our black belt class runs as part of the class (intermittently). Also, timed running is part of the fitness part of our testing at black belt and above.