The Arts i plan on mastering / What is Mastering really mean?

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by Kiz Bell
In addition to points raised by Yiliquin1 above, learning a weapons art can aid one in timing, distance, co-ordination and fitness as well.

A point I neglected to address. In Yiliquan, we study broadsword, straight sword, spear and staff (although we do have a number of other weapons we study, these are the only "official" ones that are required). They provide fitness development, timing increases, awareness of your relation to things around you in space is heightened, coordination is bettered, joint locking is more skilled, and throwing techniques (of your opponent, not the weapon) are enhanced.

Well said, Kiz.


Becoming a champion in a sport like UFC, where contenders typically have trained in a number of arts, would be aided by studying a wide variety of arts.

If for no other reason than to know what the competition may bring against you...


Interest in fighting comps like UFC and the more general martial arts do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Very well said.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[fissure]

AGAIN my intent with reguard to my original post was to make the connection with Judo-kid that he may already be practicing a Martial Art for reasons other than to be a UFC fighter.
The use of the art Escima was as follows - he is practicing said art. He has said before that his sole interest was to become a UFC fighter. Escrima ( at least in its weapon aspect) doesn't apply to his stated goal. Therefore, I proposed the idea that there was the possibility that he has already moved beyond his "fighting only" interest. Period. End of Statement.
As I said to begin with, I have no experience with weapon arts. If he had taken up fencing my point would have been the same.

MartialArtist, see my responce to the same question many posts ago.

I can see that trying to "prod" Jk into the above stated line of thought, is a much less popular than simply telling him he knows nothing becauce he is a kid.

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by fissure
AGAIN my intent with reguard to my original post was to make the connection with Judo-kid that he may already be practicing a Martial Art for reasons other than to be a UFC fighter.

Fine.


The use of the art Escima was as follows - he is practicing said art. He has said before that his sole interest was to become a UFC fighter. Escrima ( at least in its weapon aspect) doesn't apply to his stated goal. Therefore, I proposed the idea that there was the possibility that he has already moved beyond his "fighting only" interest. Period. End of Statement.

Not really the end of statement. Perhaps the end of yours. Making a statement as you did above would be similar to saying that Tae Kwon Do (at least in it's kicking aspect) doesn't apply to real self defense as it is advertised to do in every TKD school around. That statement is inflammatory and flawed in its premise.


As I said to begin with, I have no experience with weapon arts.

And it is this that flaws the premise of your argument against Judo-kids FMA training.


If he had taken up fencing my point would have been the same.

And if the premise of your argument was solid, then substituting any weapons art would be fine.


I can see that trying to "prod" Jk into the above stated line of thought, is a much less popular than simply telling him he knows nothing becauce he is a kid.

Nice jab. Prodding him into a response seems to have only one goal in mind - to ram his inconsistencies down his throat. Perhaps rather than being so vindictive in our responses to a young and motivated, though misinformed, aspirant, we should endeavor to coach, train and mentor rather than bait, ridicule and prod...?

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[fissure]

Kiz Bell

I far as I can tell from his posts, Judo-Kid wants both, to be a great, well rounded Martial Artist AND a UFC champion
If this is so, I have been missunderstanding his posts for many, many months and my last few posts have been for naught.

And , yes, I was refering to his future UFC carrer in my originall post. Since I have repeated myself over and over again, why not one more?
From one of my posts (possibly on this very page)

I agree that I should have used UFC instead of "real life",

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by fissure
If this is so, I have been missunderstanding his posts for many, many months and my last few posts have been for naught.

I would agree that many of Judo-kid's posts have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding not to mention the posting style of a poorly educated troll. He needs work on representing himself on the internet (and, in all possibility, in reality as well). That is something that time and experience will allow him to do better in the future.

I suspect Kiz is simply trying to give Judo-kid the benefit of the doubt. If you had been backed into a corner about an issue that you had defended religiously, and in the end were shown that perhaps, just perhaps, you had secretly harbored not the feeling and opinion you had made public, but were actually closer to the opposing viewpoint than you ever thought possible, would you openly declare such a thing to have happened, or keep it to yourself?

I would thank the person for showing me the error in my argument. I doubt most folks would be so concerned about their own consistency to want to do that. Most would hide the fact, evade the answer, and try to keep such a thing quiet.

You may well be on the money, but I don't think Judo-kid would be forthcoming with such an epiphany...

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[fissure]

Yiliquan1, dude I'm having a hard time figuring out were I was doing as you sujest.

Prodding him into a response seems to have only one goal in mind - to ram his inconsistencies down his throat. Perhaps rather than being so vindictive in our responses to a young and motivated, though misinformed, aspirant, we should endeavor to coach, train and mentor rather than bait, ridicule and prod...?
When was I vindictive? When did I ridicule him?
You've been on this board a long time, I'm sure you've read many of JK posts. The way I have taken his post has been that he thought MAist who "delved" into there chosen arts were looking for more than was really there. I recall someting about "you guys shooting fireballs......". On the face of things , MAs are about kicking, punching, throwing, locking, choking, ect. But many people find more than this after a time, as I'm sure you know. I am saying that maybe he might have already be experiencing some of this.


Not really the end of statement. Perhaps the end of yours. Making a statement as you did above would be similar to saying that Tae Kwon Do (at least in it's kicking aspect) doesn't apply to real self defense as it is advertised to do in every TKD school around. That statement is inflammatory and flawed in its premise.

If you said that TKD kicks were not applicable within a specific fighting event - Freestyle wrestling as apposed to UFC, I would agree wholeheartedly.

[fissure]

Yiliquan1, I wrote my previous post before you last posted. Things are happening too fast!
Was you last post directed at me? The tone would suggest not ( way less accusing than the last!).

[Matt Stone]

Fissure -

No, not at all... If I intend something to be aimed at a specific person, I am more than comfortable with setting my sights on center of mass and squeezing off a round...

My comments were generalized (hence the "we" in them, as opposed to "you"). I am just as guilty of trying to goad Judo-kid and others into a response I want... I work for attorneys for a living, what can I say? :D

I think that Judo-kid could be redeemed if we approach him properly and get him the "intervention" he needs to open his eyes to the world around him.

Now if I could just get him to either email me or show up to our training one Saturday... ;)

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[fissure]

Sorry, I thought that

You may well be on the money, but I don't think Judo-kid would be forthcoming with such an epiphany...
was directed at someone inparticular.



I think that Judo-kid could be redeemed if we approach him properly and get him the "intervention" he needs to open his eyes to the world around him.

Indeed. My - "you may be a MAist already, even if you don't want to be" theory, was intended as such. I mistakenly thought it was a good angle to approach him from, instead of the "when I was your age......" one.

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by fissure
Sorry, I thought that "You may well be on the money, but I don't think Judo-kid would be forthcoming with such an epiphany..." was directed at someone in particular.

I think someone else made a similar point... I would review the thread if I had time.

Bottom line, and I say this because when I was someone else long, long ago, it is how I probably would have reacted... When I was younger, I was much worse at admitting my faults and failings than I am now... I credit my wife with teaching how to deal with that. Her, and years of facing the worst parts of myself and getting tired of making excuses for them.


Indeed. My - "you may be a MAist already, even if you don't want to be" theory, was intended as such. I mistakenly thought it was a good angle to approach him from, instead of the "when I was your age......" one.

I don't think either tack is working... I think Judo-kid simply needs a one-on-one, up close and personal, hands-on come to Jesus meeting... When he throws his half hearted "sparring" technique and sees no response, then throws a full hearted technique and gets stomped, he will learn. When he tries to go to the ground with someone that has no interest in going there and isn't about to "allow" it, he will realize that there is more to purposefully placing yourself into a vulnerable position than many grapplers who believe groundfighting is the end all method believe...

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[fissure]

I think Judo-kid simply needs a one-on-one, up close and personal, hands-on come to Jesus meeting.
:rofl: :rofl:

[arnisador]

Originally posted by bart
Balintawak is not stick-only.

I've heard different opinions on this, but never that it has espada y daga. People usually say either that it's all stick or that it's mostly stick but you can translate it to empty hand (which in fact Ted Buot demonstrated on me once). My arnis instructor studies under Mr. Buot and informs me that Balintawak is stick-only; other Balintawak lineages may interpret it differently, but the original club at least was very much a stick-fencing affair.

This might be better discussed in FMA-General!

[arnisador]

Everyone, please, stop arguing about whether or not you're arguing and address the topic of the thread.

-Arnisador
-MT Admin-

[J-kid]

I dont know what to do Laugh Cry Or be mad. lol:D :wah: :mad:

Where to start.....


Alot of time you dont have a choice when you are being taken to ground as you will find out if any of you chose to do any grappling.

Also I am trying to become a well rounded fighter and that means i need weapons training as well.

We all have are diffrent reason for training in martial arts.

For me its like this.

Its fun.
Its hard work yet pays off.
I like to be the tuffist guy on the block (we all do):cool:
It brings in the money and the ladies (i think)
also i love UFC and Mixed Martial arts all together.

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by Judo-kid
I dont know what to do Laugh Cry Or be mad. lol:D :wah: :mad:

Where to start.....


Alot of time you dont have a choice when you are being taken to ground as you will find out if any of you chose to do any grappling.

Also I am trying to become a well rounded fighter and that means i need weapons training as well.

We all have are diffrent reason for training in martial arts.

For me its like this.

Its fun.
Its hard work yet pays off.
I like to be the tuffist guy on the block (we all do):cool:
It brings in the money and the ladies (i think)
also i love UFC and Mixed Martial arts all together.
I could understand every one of them except the 4th one.

There is never a lot of money in MA or championship fighting unless you are a legend and still, it doesn't have the job security of other jobs and can end at any moment. The money also doesn't come from fighting but from sponsers.

And fighting gets you ladies who just got out of their boy-band state. The "rebel, wild-man state". After that, women go for security as in money than a wild, adventureman.

The third one. Everyone has gone through that stage. But it doesn't matter if you're the toughest guy on the block or not. What are you going to do, challenge everyone?

Toughness is not a matter of what you think you are and what you think you can do. The toughest people I've met are the ones that don't talk. Either a cold stare or a smile...

[bart]

Hey There,


arnisador wrote...but never that it has espada y daga

You're right. I was thinking of a post I read by Rocky in the eskrima digest, but that's the only time I've heard about Balintawak and espada y daga and it was concerning only his style of Balintawak. But my memory may be off. He posted on another topic, I'll ask him there.



arnisador wrote...usually say either that it's all stick or that it's mostly stick but you can translate it to empty hand

Basically what I meant to say was that empty hand is included in their curriculum and that they are proud of it. GM Bacon was supposed to be pretty tough with his hands. By being a stick-only system, I think they mean to say that they don't actively practice sword techniques or think of their stick as a substitute for a sword. I appreciate that part of the Balintawak philosophy myself.

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by Judo-kid
Alot of time you dont have a choice when you are being taken to ground as you will find out if any of you chose to do any grappling.

Just one thing to say... UFC 1 or 2? That Smith guy gets an attempted tackle by the RBWI guy from Texas... Smith then proceeds to elbowing the dog snot out of the RBWI guy's head... I think I counted 13 elbows to the head before he went down (although he was out of it by elbow #3 - tough or stupid? you decide...), then another 3 when they fell together... Smith didn't have, if I remember correctly, any grappling training at that point, just TKD and MT...

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[J-kid]

sorry trying to think back to what fight that was.

Is that the one where the guy is pinned down and he starts elbowing the guy in the face.

Cause that is all that comes to mind.

[Matt Stone]

Yep. The RBWI guy tries to tackle the TKD/MT guy, but fails. The TKD/MT guy begins elbowing the RBWI guy repeatedly, and the RBWI guy is too stupid or dazed to think about doing something other than hang on the TKD/MT guy's waist as a hip-high punching dummy.

They fall (because the RBWI guy went dead weight due to repeated pounding, not because of technique), and got 3 more elbows for his trouble...

[J-kid]

I do rember this fight, but i rember a better one its where royce gracie wins the championship (lol sorry couldnt help my self)

But seriously the guy looked like he was going for a plan wrestling pin.

I dont think his training for submission or conbative grappling.

[KennethKu]

Originally posted by Yiliquan1 .... Smith then proceeds to elbowing the dog snot out of the RBWI guy's head.... Smith didn't have, if I remember correctly, any grappling training at that point, just TKD and MT...


In close range, MT elbows rule.

[J-kid]

They werent standing the guy had his legs wraped around one arm and the other arm traped . Then he started raining elbows.

[bart]

arnisador,


I was thinking of a post I read by Rocky in the eskrima digest, but that's the only time I've heard about Balintawak and espada y daga and it was concerning only his style of Balintawak. But my memory may be off. He posted on another topic, I'll ask him there.

Rocky's Balintawak is aligned with yours through Mr. Buot. Rocky doesn't teach espada y daga in the Balintawak. The error was indeed on my part.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=75989#post75989

[arnisador]

Originally posted by bart
Rocky's Balintawak is aligned with yours through Mr. Buot. Rocky doesn't teach espada y daga in the Balintawak. The error was indeed on my part.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=75989#post75989

As mentioned in that other thread there are various versions of it now and things may be different in different versions!

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by Yiliquan1
Just one thing to say... UFC 1 or 2? That Smith guy gets an attempted tackle by the RBWI guy from Texas... Smith then proceeds to elbowing the dog snot out of the RBWI guy's head... I think I counted 13 elbows to the head before he went down (although he was out of it by elbow #3 - tough or stupid? you decide...), then another 3 when they fell together... Smith didn't have, if I remember correctly, any grappling training at that point, just TKD and MT...

Gambarimasu.
:asian:
http://www.hwarangdo.com/videoclips.htm - takedown set

Very similiar to the grappling taught in TKD

[MartialArtist]

The clips make it look like a mixture of escrima, hapkido, capioera, TKD, catch-as-can wrestling, Mongolian combat wrestling, judo, some wing chun, and boxing.

There is a lot of dancing, the demonstration, and the sport style of the Korean martial art viewed, but you can at least get an idea of what the combat one looks like. Sort of.

Oh yeah, reminder, the first two clips are exaggerations made by an American station, like the US. "Chi helped him stop bleeding" is just a twisted definition of the word.

[MartialArtist]

I think we should all wish judo-kid luck on his goals of being in the UFC while also learning some side items that can help him in real life. We should promote him. Not saying, oh, escrima will not let you be able to focus all your time and energy on UFC ring fighting.

Back on subject, if I really wanted to master one art even though it's pretty much impossible, it would have to be taijiquan. Not the New Age yoga stuff for people with arthritis or the people who eat only soy, but I think the principles (which will be hypothetically mastered) can apply in everyday life, not just fighting.

[bart]

Hey,

I'm still waiting to hear back about your eskrimador. Anything yet?

[J-kid]

I see him on Thursday , What all do you want me to ask him again.

[Bob Hubbard]

I think what his lineage is would probably answer most folks questions. That and the name of the particular styles.

Did I miss anything guys? :asian:

[bart]

Judo-kid,


What all do YOU want me to ask him again

First of all, if YOU're going to study Eskrima from this guy, YOU should know the name of what YOU're studying, the lineage (who taught who for how long, etc), and where the style came from. So YOU should want to know these things not just because I'm calling a fact check, but because it is part of mastery.

Here are the questions:

1. What styles does your Eskrimador do?
2. How long in years (or months) has he trained in each style?
3. Who did your Eskrimador learn each style from?
4. Who is "the GM of Escrima" that your Eskrimador's teacher learned from?

I assume you'll be posting the answers to these questions Thursday night then? I look forward to seeing them.

[J-kid]

Not a problem.

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by Judo-kid
I see him on Thursday , What all do you want me to ask him again.

How about "when are you coming down to Puyallup?"

:D:D:D:D:D

In all seriousness, finding out what an instructor's background is like is a big issue, IMHO. It is all too easy to find folks claiming all sorts of interesting titles, training and qualifications, but highly disappointing to learn the secrets behind those claims.

For instance, it is very common for military personnel to have martial arts backgrounds. It is equally common for those military personnel with martial arts backgrounds to possess some sort of instructor status in their arts. It is even more common for those same instructor level folks to teach at the gyms on military bases. Some of these same instructors then go about claiming they were the "chief instructor" for some military base. The sad truth is that most martial arts classes on military bases are very small, with an average of between 5 and 15 students (some classes have more, usually kids classes, and some have less, usually adult classes). These instructors who claim they were the "chief instructor" for such and such base were in fact nothing of the sort...

Background info is always a good thing.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[J-kid]

Ill go in a month or so, Let me finish up somethings i am working on first.

[Matt Stone]

You have my email address... If you have lost it, here it is again:

wolfden68@hotmail.com

Open invite for anyone to come down and train with us. If you are coming to see what Yiliquan is all about, then expect to train like we train. If you want to compare and contrast, let me know so we can make arrangements for a time that won't keep the Yili students from learning Yili (not that we want to keep them from seeing other things, just that we want to get our training in, too...).

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[J-kid]

Lol just a few seconds ago i sent you a message check you inbox on martial talk

[Mike Clarke]

Hey Judo-kid,

Why do I get this feeling that you will never turn up to train with Yiliquan ?
No, I had thought you were serious about 'learning' something 'real'. Now It's begining to look like you're an average teenager after all, all mouth and no trousers.

And here I was thinking you would prove me wrong, but I guess my ability to see a persons 'real face' is as keen as it ever was.

There is still a chance to prove me wrong though, but I'm guessing you never will?

Mike.

[Matt Stone]

In Judo-kid's defense, the PM he sent me asked me to send him a message in a month's time. I assume he wants me to remind him about training...

Ultimately, though I can somewhat appreciate where that request came from, I am not going to do so. If Judo-kid wants to train with us, then he will remember to get in touch with us. Not vice versa.

I have been hounding the head of a jojutsu dojo for the past several months about training in his dojo up north. Finally set a date last night to go up, watch class, and essentially be "interviewed" for acceptance into training.

I'm not saying that Judo-kid has to jump through those kinds of hoops, but it isn't my place to be soliciting his attendance at our training... If he wants to come check us out, he will. If he forgets, then that is on him and shows how interested he was in the first place.

Whatever.

I am looking forward to seeing SMR Jo training up close and personal next week. Until then, I have a Pavel Tsatsouline seminar this weekend, as well as training with some of my seniors from out of town. That should keep me busy for a while...

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[Mike Clarke]

Nice of you to defend the lad, which tells me he's making an even bigger mistake by not making the effort to get to training with you. I'm of the opinion though that he should be making all the effort to learn and not 'expecting the teacher to wait' until it's convenient.

As for SMR Jodo. I have some very good friends who have been training in this for many years, and have been lucky enough to recieve some instruction from them from time to time.
If you don't have a copy already, you might like to get hold of a book called ; Jodo, the way of the stick. By Pascal Krieger sensei.
[isbn 2-9503214-0-2] He's one of the senior teachers in SMR Jodo and lives in Switzerland I believe.
The book not only deals with technique but the philosophy behind the training too. It's one of the best books on my shelf and I refer to it quit often for inspiration.

I hope your visit goes well, and as for jumping through hoops to get instruction, It's a pitty there isn't more of it about. I don't like this consumer driven approach to Martial Arts. Like the SMR people, I like to pick my students carefully.

Regards,
Mike.

[J-kid]

WHAT IS JODO THE WAY OF THE STICK?
I have no idea what that is.

[Marginal]

An art where you learn how to hit people with sticks.

[Matt Stone]

Shinto Muso-ryu Jojutsu/Jodo is the only original method of short staff fighting from old Japan. The style was created by Muso Gonnosuke (hence "Muso-ryu") after fighting, and being defeated by, Musashi Miyamoto.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

[arnisador]

Jodo is the art of the four foot long stick, used in either a sword-like or a staff-like manner.

A few threads (use Search for more):
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1816
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1482

[bart]

I see him on Thursday , What all do you want me to ask him again.

Just a reminder. Got any answers yet?

[J-kid]

And i didnt have a ride to go there and didnt know.
Ill have to try again next weds/Thur

[MartialArtist]

So you only learn escrima ONCE A WEEK?

[J-kid]

Yeah But after a wal and home training conbined you get good, Just learning some here and there at the moment, Alot of other training going on besides escrima, Grappling is my main and then striking then weapons. I train in order I train mostly for grappling then for striking then Weapons last.

[Bob Hubbard]

Well, he might get to be better than our current self-appointed GM in Modern Arnis anyway :D

Nothing wrong with 1x a week for a secondary art to get some basics in.

JK, you'll never be able to go toe to toe with a real stick fighter with just 1x a week, however I don't see anything wrong if you are supplimenting your primary training with the stick work. Alot of the concepts do lend themselves to open hand work, especially the siniwalis.

:asian:

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by Judo-kid
Yeah But after a wal and home training conbined you get good, Just learning some here and there at the moment, Alot of other training going on besides escrima, Grappling is my main and then striking then weapons. I train in order I train mostly for grappling then for striking then Weapons last.

Judo-kid et al,

Since I occasionally go to the ground, but do not train those techniques, if I was to practice some take downs about once a week for about 45 mins. I would get pretty good and I could take you on the ground? Against an untrained fighter, I might be able to work the move. Against another part time person I might be able to get it also. Against a ground Pounder like ACE or others then if I pulled off something it would be more an issue of Luck. Being able to capitalize on their mistake the instant they make it.

So, since I do rolls every week, I guess this means I can master Judo or Aikido also? I understand your personal drive, and I say go for it. Study and learn everything. Make your dream come true. Just apply your knowledge and understanding of one art to the others you are studying. Look at the big picture.

Personally, as Kaith has said once a week would not help you against a stick fighter. Yet, doing locks only once a week would not help you against someone who does Judo sevens days a week.

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Rich Parsons


Personally, as Kaith has said once a week would not help you against a stick fighter. Yet, doing locks only once a week would not help you against someone who does Judo sevens days a week.

I have to completly agree, I've been doing Kali for about 4 years and I still have trouble against my friend whos been doing it 5 times a week for 2 years :asian:

[J-kid]

Well for now the idea behind training once a week is, I get good enough with stick fighting that if i ever needed to use a sick to fight. I would have a advantige over someone with no stick fighting training. When i said arts a i plan on mastering i mean threw my whole life.

[Bob Hubbard]

"I would have a advantige over someone with no stick fighting training. "

Thats the key right there. Theres also nothing wrong with getting a broad exposure early on, working on 2 now, and later on once you've gotten some level of proficiency at those, expanding out and filling in the gaps you see.

I watched Rich and Ace go at it back in December.... was -very- interesting to see, especially when the stick started to go to pieces. :)

Both of em took me to my current limits when I spared with em.... next time Rich...try n work up a sweat, huh? :D

:asian:

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by Kaith Rustaz
"I would have a advantige over someone with no stick fighting training. "

Thats the key right there. Theres also nothing wrong with getting a broad exposure early on, working on 2 now, and later on once you've gotten some level of proficiency at those, expanding out and filling in the gaps you see.

I watched Rich and Ace go at it back in December.... was -very- interesting to see, especially when the stick started to go to pieces. :)

Both of em took me to my current limits when I spared with em.... next time Rich...try n work up a sweat, huh? :D

:asian:

Judo-Kid,

Your comments are worthy for your whole life to try and master multiple styles.

Kaith,

I will try to break a sweat next time. :D Maybe I will sweat more of the sticks become sabres????


Train Well

[arnisador]

No Sabres in Buffalo--they're bankrupt!

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by arnisador
No Sabres in Buffalo--they're bankrupt!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Arnisador,

I love hockey, any sport that has two blades a stick and allows fighting with only a 2 minute minor and a 10 minute major, has to be GREAT! :D

Just My Thoughts on that subject! ;)

[SRyuFighter]

Good luck Judo Kid. However I have to agree with the point that the UFC and mastery are two very different things.

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Rich Parsons
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Arnisador,

I love hockey, any sport that has two blades a stick and allows fighting with only a 2 minute minor and a 10 minute major, has to be GREAT! :D

Just My Thoughts on that subject! ;)

And theres me playing Basketball!!! :rolleyes:

[SRyuFighter]

lol

[bart]

All right Judo-kid, any answers to those questions now that the Eskrima training day has come and gone again?

[Master of Blades]

Oh god, here we go again..........:shrug:

[jfarnsworth]

Originally posted by Master of Blades
Oh god, here we go again..........:shrug:

I actually stopped reading about 8 or 10 pages ago or so.

[cali_tkdbruin]

Originally posted by jfarnsworth
I actually stopped reading about 8 or 10 pages ago or so.
Right, enough is enough already... :shrug:

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by jfarnsworth
I actually stopped reading about 8 or 10 pages ago or so.

Well theres another thing we have in common :asian:

[bart]

Hey,

This thread was originally about mastery. One of the components of mastery is following up on things. One of the the most important parts of honest discussion is being honest about your facts and truthful about your sources. I asked a question that checked the credibility of one Judo-kid's sources. He still hasn't delivered. He was supposed to give an answer on Thursday last week. He gave an excuse why he couldn't. He said he would do it this week. Well here we are with no answers yet.



Originally posted by cali_tkdbruin Right, enough is enough already...

Originally posted by Master of Blades Oh god, here we go again..........

Originally posted by jfarnsworth I actually stopped reading about 8 or 10 pages ago or so.

By excusing Judo-kid of the responsibility of backing up what he says, you do him a disservice. When I asked what style of Eskrima he was studying, he didn't know. When I asked him who his teacher's teacher was, he didn't know a fundamental fact about his lineage. Actually, he didn't even bother with a cogent response until I said I didn't believe him. How's he supposed to master anything, if he doesn't even know that those things are important?

All I'm doing is making somebody put their money where their mouth is. One of the problems today in the martial arts is that hooligans and fakes can pass off bs credentials and people buy it mainly because they don't ask questions like the ones I did. It brings down the MA's as a whole and causes people to pay money to charlatans to learn watered down mcdojo styles, making these types of deceptions profitable. It causes people to pay for someone to instill in them a false sense of security and a false sense of history.

I know you're tired of this thread. I am too. But the value of following up on this principle is more important than weariness over this discussion.

So Judo-kid, got any answers yet?

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by bart
Hey,

This thread was originally about mastery. One of the components of mastery is following up on things. One of the the most important parts of honest discussion is being honest about your facts and truthful about your sources. I asked a question that checked the credibility of one Judo-kid's sources. He still hasn't delivered. He was supposed to give an answer on Thursday last week. He gave an excuse why he couldn't. He said he would do it this week. Well here we are with no answers yet.






By excusing Judo-kid of the responsibility of backing up what he says, you do him a disservice. When I asked what style of Eskrima he was studying, he didn't know. When I asked him who his teacher's teacher was, he didn't know a fundamental fact about his lineage. Actually, he didn't even bother with a cogent response until I said I didn't believe him. How's he supposed to master anything, if he doesn't even know that those things are important?

All I'm doing is making somebody put their money where their mouth is. One of the problems today in the martial arts is that hooligans and fakes can pass off bs credentials and people buy it mainly because they don't ask questions like the ones I did. It brings down the MA's as a whole and causes people to pay money to charlatans to learn watered down mcdojo styles, making these types of deceptions profitable. It causes people to pay for someone to instill in them a false sense of security and a false sense of history.

I know you're tired of this thread. I am too. But the value of following up on this principle is more important than weariness over this discussion.

So Judo-kid, got any answers yet?

I understand all that.......But did we really have to waste 21 pages repeating ourselves when all it would take was one answer! :confused:

[J-kid]

I keep forgetting to ask, I have been really busy and had tournments on my mind lately.

[Johnathan Napalm]

Ever used this thing called telephone? :)

[J-kid]

I dont have his Number

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Judo-kid
I dont have his Number

Someone please get him a number so we can get this over and done with! :shrug:

[jfarnsworth]

Originally posted by Master of Blades
Well theres another thing we have in common :asian:

You said it not me.:shrug:

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by jfarnsworth
You said it not me.:shrug:

I did didnt I.......:shrug:

[MartialArtist]

this whole thread = :rolleyes:

judo-kid isn't answering anything, so it's impossible for the thread to continue unless someone changes the topic.

[Rob_Broad]

This thread has gotten to the point where it sucks IQ points from everyone who reads it. So what if Judo-Kid hasn't responded to what everyone wants. He doesn't have to answer to anyone, he comes to this forum on his own free will, regardless of what everyone says. I have taken a few shots at him but I will say he is persistant, he keeps coming back again and again.

So lets just let thsi issue die.

[Bob Hubbard]

Actually guys, I agree with Rob...to a point.

The 3 points I see is:

1- He (JK) doesn't have to answer to anyone

2- Its not that important to him to find out.

3- This threads basically dead.


To that end, I'm locking it.

:asian: