Top Five Moves according to MartialTalk

[JDenz]

All right go to town boys and girls. Your top 5 techniques or the ones you would use in a real fight.

[LeeKrol]

This is an easy one.
If I were in a real fight there's only five moves to use:

1) Eye gouge
2) Bite
3) Tap kick (for scoring points)
4) Kick to the knee (I hear that is the end-all be-all)
5) Horse stance punches

Is there anything else?






LOL

[JDenz]

forgot Seiunchin Kata worked for Ralph Maccio in Karate Kid 3. lol

[karatekid1975]

For a street fight, I'd use "dirty fighting":

1) Side kick to the knee
2) palm strikes
3) back fist/or punch (which ever is quicker)
4) eye gouges
5) knees, elbows.

Not in any order. I'd use what works for each situation. Ok, that was six, but I had to put the knee and elbow techniques in there :p

For sparring, I would say:

Hook kick
Round house
side kick
fakes
Reverse punch

[tarabos]

my top five:

1. Run
2. find closest object, attempt to smash over assailant's head.
3. find second closest object, proceed with smashy-smashy.
4. finger in the eye or "BAM! the old fork in the eye!"
5. use girlfriend as a human shield...jk...well placed shin to the groin or knee.

[Elfan]

Originally posted by tarabos
5. use girlfriend as a human shield...jk...well placed shin to the groin or knee.


I remember one kenpo teacher who, when asked what he would do if he was walking with his wife and were attacked with someone with a knife replied that he would push his wife into the attacker.

[Kiz Bell]

I remember one kenpo teacher who, when asked what he would do if he was walking with his wife and were attacked with someone with a knife replied that he would push his wife into the attacker.

Was he serious? I had a teacher who once, in all seriousness too, told us that if we were out walking with our girlfriend and were attacked, to throw her at the attackers. Suddeney realising that I was there, and the only female in class, he turned to me and said "oh, in your case, you could throw your boyfriend at them". So much for chivalry! lol

[muayThaiPerson]

id use:

1. push kick
2. punch
3. roundhouse
4. clinch with knee
5. a judo throw

[jfarnsworth]

my moves would consist of whatever the natural weapons will strike the most effective for the situation at hand. Being serious my five weapons would be

1. Roundhouse shin kick to the thigh.
2. knee(s)
3. punches
4. elbows
5. palm heels

[TkdWarrior]

u only need ligthing speed kick to head n woila u get a guy KO :D ;)
-TkdWarrior-

[Baoquan]

1) Groin Strike - hand, knee, foot...whatever connects
2) Knees
3) Elbows after hand-grabby (after two years of bouncing, what i learned was, after the INEVITABLE over hand right [which u slip], most lads raise their hands in front of their face, and try to grab your hands. If it happens, go with it; control thier hands, pull them to one side, and let ur elbows fly....and then some knees....but dont try it with a WingChun practitioner, because s/he will hand u your ass)
4) Rear choke - its fun, its easy, it works like a charm....
5) And even tho i dent really consider myself much of a kicker, u cant forget the snappy front kick to establish distance, and relocate diaphragm.

[Nyoongar]

talk
Clean right hand to the jaw
headbutt
elbows
Rear choke

[J-kid]

1.(left Jab)-(left Jab) then Right cross All to the jaw. Then Mt round house.
2 clinch there head and then knee to the face.
3 Then a throw, And drop them head first to ground.
4 Once down get into monted postion and punch and punch, Then they stick there arm up to stop my punchs , Then i armbar.
5 I choke until i am happy.

[Rich Parsons]

1) My Brain for Awareness and Avoidance

2) My Voice to calm him/her down, or for deception

3) Positioning to avoid being trapped if multiple opponents.

4) My eyes - to let them see how serious I am and that I intend to seriously maim and or kill them

5) Relax and let the adrenaline flow into my body



After this it is the target of opportunity the will dictate the action.

Note: Number 4; I have a plan, Kick and break knee, Grab And twist Kneck, etc., ..., .

Train well

Rich
:)

[Elfan]

Originally posted by Kiz Bell
Was he serious? I had a teacher who once, in all seriousness too, told us that if we were out walking with our girlfriend and were attacked, to throw her at the attackers. Suddeney realising that I was there, and the only female in class, he turned to me and said "oh, in your case, you could throw your boyfriend at them". So much for chivalry! lol

O ya. If he gets stabbed they are both screwed up if she gets cut he can still beat the crap out of the guy and take his wife to the hospital. Makes sense, but I'm not sure its something I would be willing to do.

[Yari]

Originally posted by Rich Parsons
1) My Brain for Awareness and Avoidance

2) My Voice to calm him/her down, or for deception

3) Positioning to avoid being trapped if multiple opponents.

4) My eyes - to let them see how serious I am and that I intend to seriously maim and or kill them

5) Relax and let the adrenaline flow into my body



After this it is the target of opportunity the will dictate the action.

Note: Number 4; I have a plan, Kick and break knee, Grab And twist Kneck, etc., ..., .

Train well

Rich
:)


I like these...

/Yari

[Shinzu]

groin strike (hand or foot technique)

elbow strike

palm heel strike

knee kicks

eye gouge

any techiques that requires minimal effort and does the most damage is on my list :)

[white belt]

Eyes...Throat...Groin...Knees...Nose. Any simple technique, with violent torque or thrust, to these five areas. Carotids and Kidneys with a Knifehand or shoetip roundhouse, respectively, are good for finality, if no other choice.

whitebelt

P.S.
Table salt packets are good for the pocket if expecting trouble. A little toss to the eyes and then pick your targets.

[JDenz]

1 jab
2 mt kick to outer thigh
3 clinch
4 knees from clinch
5 big throw

[Rob Wilson]

It all depends on the situation, right? If the enemy has a knife, I am going to run for it. If I am cornered, I am going to find an equalizer- fast. This means anything.
If he has buddies, then I am definitely getting out of there as fast as I can or finding something to even those odds. So I guess it adds up to using my brain and my nerves first. After that, I don't believe it can be broken down into five techniques. You must flow with whatever presents itself, without passively allowing the situation to get away from your control. You must suspend all your compassion for your fellow man and possibly kill to save your life.It is very difficult. This is only one arnisador's opinion- thanks for listening.

Rob Wilson

[SMAC]

Coming from a tkd background i have to be a bit more practical than you guys
1.spinning hook kick
2.jump spinning hook kick
3.jumping back kick
4.axe kick
5.jump spinning roundhouse(whirlwind style) kick

[white belt]

Practical? In comparison to what? Am I being victimized by dry British humor?

white belt

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by white belt
Practical? In comparison to what? Am I being victimized by dry British humor?

white belt


Hey, it may be British Humour but it sure as hell aint dry! :p

[JDenz]

SMAc has never fought outside in buffalo right about now I can see.

[ace]

#1. Armlock from any position(includeing a head stand)
#2. Heel Hook inside & out
#3. Triangel Choke with the Legs or Arms
#4. Keylocks
#5. Rear Naked Choke
:asian:

[white belt]

I am a TKD man and of Scottish ancestry, but, I must agree JDenz. Those kicks are finishers for me. In icy weather I would finish myself off! Maybe I am just guilty of placing my limitations on others? Maybe I need to get back to my ancestral roots by practicing my kicks wearing a kilt. Could help the speed and flexibility! With regards to London, I think they call it a "chapped bum" if kilt kicking outside in winter. I would drink warm beer too, in that case.

Best to all,
white belt

[JDenz]

good luck on ice

[ace]

For stand up i use basic Kickboxing
Jab Cross Hook Upercut
Low & High Kicks

But Submisson is my Fav.

[SMAC]

I'd just put my skating boots on, those blades would help sharpen up my kicks.

[JDenz]

lol

[ace]

But to use the in in The Winter would not be to wise
Smac.

Also U Leave your self opean for the Big Fall

[Jill666]

I've rarely had to restrain or takedown a patient (12 years psych/detox) being able to defuse the situation most of the time.

But on the street I like

my right cross (it's killer)
stomp (or blade of foot- position depending) to side of knee
elbows to ribs or kidneys
thumbs in eyes (note how nicely the fingertips hold the jaw)
ridgehand or snakestrike to throat

I'm only 120 lbs. so anyone on the street close enough to receive this stuff needs to go away quickly:apv:

[ace]

Sounds pretty wrothless:D
:asian:

[JDenz]

I think he means ruthless

[KennethKu]

:D LMAO foot in the mouth , buddy! Happens to me all the time. lol

BTW, I was puzzling at Jill666 's mentioning of a killer right cross but then a bodyweight of 120lb. Then I read that Jill666 is Kenpo 1st DAN. oh Ok. I am shutting up and sitting down now. lol

[ace]

So So So sorry:(

Jdenz is rite

Ruthless not worthless

I realy do like the Name:D

[Jill666]

Thanks- and I appreciate the clarification since I wouldn't have known how to take ace's comment:lol:

Now I can chill.:drinkbeer

[ace]

it was a late night post
The Name is Wicked Sweet
:cheers:

Take care pease
:asian:

[JDenz]

Me and Primo are the bad spellers and typo guys but at least we stick up for each other.

[MartialArtist]

Moves that are simple

Jab
Hook
Cross
Low Kick
Side Kick
Choke
Double Leg
Front Kick to the Balls

[rmcrobertson]

I've always found that these five work great for me:

1. Avoid bars that don't have any windows.
2. Drive away from crazy, screaming, threatening people.
3. Run/walk away from trouble.
4. When somebody sticks a .22 to your head, offer them your wallet.
5. Talk your way out of it.

All are street-tested. What if you must do something overtly physical?
1. If possible, make it clear that you're bigger.
2. If your friends/acquaintances are screaming at each other, step between them so they can't see each other.
3. Think of something funny to say.
4. When somebody threatens you, burst out laughing.
5. Call the cops.

Again, all street-tested. I realize that these ten aren't always posssible/practicable, but one of the things I always wonder about in these discussions is just how the heck it is that folks manage to find so many fights to get into.

[ace]

If U give them your wallet They now
know were U live & may feel u were an easy
Target.

Your suggestions are not bad
But in N.Y. U be in trouble:eek:

[JDenz]

Ya just give them the cash

[rmcrobertson]

I had somebody stick a .22 to my head, because I was stupid and walked into obvious trouble. I offered them my wallet, which was smart---well, actually, more necessary than smart. It's not a great idea to do anything else, with a gun at your head, unless you're damn sure they're going to pull the trigger...as it happens, I then talked the three guys into giving me my wallet back. Since then, I've avoided being that sort of stupid.

[KennethKu]

A 22 will just bounce off you skull. :D What kind of thugs would want to be caught dead with such a sissy pistol? lol

[JDenz]

Have you ever seen the kind of Damage that a bullet bouncing of a skull does to a person not very pretty.

[rmcrobertson]

"A .22 will just bounce off?"

Oh really. You might want to tell that to the 16-year old kid I "met," about 1979---and I write, "met," because the .22 revolver he stuck to the side of his own head left bullet fragments in a path about two inches wide from one side of his skull to the other--they ricochet around inside, you see--left him brain dead. After I bagged him in the ER for about an hour, the transplant team came and got him. For harvesting.

Nor was he the only guy I've ever seen dead from a .22. It's quite true that sometimes a glancing shot will bounce off--I 've also heard of a woman who was shot five times, up close with a .38 in the face and lived--but if I recollect, Bobby Kennedy was killed with a .22.

M-16s fire a .223 round, if memory serves. They're rather higher velocity, sure, but they tumble.

Guns scare the crap out of me. They should scare you, too.

[KennethKu]

.223 is a night and day's different from .22 .

Of course 22 can kill, but only at extremely close range. No cops nor military will touch a 22. It is worthless.

I take firearms seriously but I am not scared of them. There is training against armed assailants. Not fool proof but will give you a fighting chance rather than being slaughtered like sheep. If you drill sufficiently, your proficiency and confidence will increase proportionally. The danger is always there and best if avoidable.

[rmcrobertson]

Mr. Ku:

Uh...first off, I specifically noted that the firearm was being used up close. Damn close, with the muzzle against the side of my head. More theoretically speaking, any empty-hand gun (or knife) technique/response I've ever heard of relies on getting in close...real close, the closer the better. Which means that the muzzle's going to be close, so you'd better be darn sure you're controlling it. Or running like hell, and putting the horizon between you and the weapon...

Second off, I already noted that a .223 round is quite different. But nevertheless, you may want to depend upon the chance that a .22 will, "just bounce off," at a distance...but an interesting news story from NYC, some twenty years ago, involved a woman who was driving on the Long island Expressway, and was killed by a .22 round. It had been fired about a quarter-mile or so away by some kids who shot at the water; it skipped acrowss the Sound, went in through her open vent window, hit her in the side of the head--travelling so slowly that it wouldn't have gone through the wwindow glass if the vent had been shut--and killed her dead. Kennedy, too, was not killed at absolutely point-blank range.

The odds are very good that that cheapie .22 round will penetrate, and will bounce about inside your grey matter box. This, I submit, is to be avoided where possible. It is much wiser to give an armed opponent what they demand, if this is at all possible--which I suspect you'd agree with.

Sorry, but guns pointed at me do indeed scare me. I've had it happen twice--once the .22, and once a moron with a new scope on his rifle who was, "just testing the scope," when I walked by his house. I hear when they actually fire at you, it's even scarier, and I've certainly seen more than two people with little holes in their body and/or head. Ahura-mazda knows they were scared, if still alive--and while I am extremely far from being Joe Combat, I do tell my students that they too should be afraid of guns and knives--or at the very least damn respectful. Otherwise--well, have you seen the clip from the Internationals of about ten years ago (they show it on "Max X," a lot) of those two idiots who did the sword-and-cucumber-on the-throat demo?

Anyway, thanks for your comments. I hope I'm not being rude; it's just that I feel very stongly about this, and I think it's worth discussing.

[KennethKu]

I feel more intimated by someone wielding a long sharp machete.

Most American adult males have enough body mass to survive a 22 shot to the body. Kennedy was a skinny monkey.

In any case, I am only stating the ballistic properties of the 22. IT is totally an ineffective weapon with unreliable stopping power.

Not stating it is not dangerous. People do die from 22 shots. Heck, people died from BB shots too. I can guarantee you that even a BB can shoot right thru your eyes and scramble your brain.

I wasn't trying to suggest people being cavalier with a 22. (My original post was mean to be a joke. I really think that the thug would get his ass laughed off by his compatriots for carrying a 22 . lol . It was probably all he could afford then. ) On the contrary, you are absolutely correct that no one should be playing Russian roulette with their lives nor be cavalier with their luck when faced with a weapon be it a knife or a gun, any gun. Only the wise ones survive long term and you are one, Sir.

[Cthulhu]

I'm not trying to add to the debate at all, but would say that this should be considered:

The .22 caliber round comes in different varieties: .22, .22 LR, .22 Magnum, all with varying degrees of penetrative power.

Cthulhu

[JDenz]

a bullet bouncing in your body does as much damage as if that bullet would hae penatrated.

[sweeper]

it also depends on what part of the skull it hits.

top 5 moves would be:

jab
front kick
front thrust
side kick
hook/elbow (depending on range)

[CHAOS]

The top five moves are the ones that God taught you before you got to Earth.

1. Sight- Look at your environment
2. Hearing- Listen for other actors or to your opponent's breathing and anything he may be saying to you or someone else.
3. Smell- Beleive it or not you can smell gun-oil, blood, and your nose can and will pick up on human hormone changes.
4. Touch- Your sense of touch will dictate which attacks and defenses to use.
5. Taste- Your body will give you a system analysis by using your taste buds. Taste iron, your blood sugar is dropping; taste bile or blood, you may be injured internally, or just a busted lip. And your taste buds are direcly linked to your sense of smell. You can detect the opponents physical and psycological state through the release of pheromones and hormones if you are tuned to it.

Everything else is relative to your given situation.

[CHAOS]

Just an added piece of information,(from a law enforcement standpoint), The .22 short has, and is, the chosen firearm for nearly all professional hitmen. It is quiet, easy to conceal, and is about 99% lethal at at range of about 15 yards and closer, if a head shot is made. NEVER underestimate the destructive power of a firearm. And like you stated, an air rifle can and will kill you at the right range. But, complete submission is not the answer to an armed robbery either. If you can reach it, you can own it. Better to be injured fighting, than killed submitting.

[BLACK LION]

I was passing by and thought I may add.

A .22 is plenty lethal. It tells you how much so every time you look at beef. They still kill cows with them to this day.
There really is no debating the .22 becuase it works well in what its intended for.

As far as fear of the firearm or teaching people to respect them or be afraid of them is very debateable. The firearm itself is a snap on tool that is of no danger to anyone without a driving force behind it intent on using it. That is what one needs to focus on. The brain telling that body to point and shoot the firearm. Every one should respect firearms, not out of fear or ignorance but out of knowledge and understanding of their operation-function-capabilities or incapabilites. Purposely being ignorant to firearms out of fear or just plain dislike is a recipe for danger if ever faced with that threat. whats martial is whats war like and guns are apart of war these days so it behooves everyone to know and understand. Gain respect from the experience not from the ingnorance

[suicide]

Superman punch

[Josh Oakley]

O ya. If he gets stabbed they are both screwed up if she gets cut he can still beat the crap out of the guy and take his wife to the hospital. Makes sense, but I'm not sure its something I would be willing to do.

I'd still be screwed because my wife would stab me in my sleep when she got out of the hospital!