ever really hurt someone

[terryl965]

I was wondering if any of you great people ever really had to hurt someone to the point of putting them in a hospital and what was the circumstances behind it?

I know when I was doinf alot of sparring tournament I broke a few bones, but not to the extent of some \body spending the week in a hospital room.

[searcher]

The worst I have ever done to anybody is a broken arm and a few concussions, but nothing to the point of a hospital stay. We have had other things like broken ribs, noses and one hand, that I can recall. Even with having knocked other fighters out in knockdown nobody ever went to the hospital and had to stay.

You know, even with the super-intense training we have never had anybody end up in the hospital.

[bushidomartialarts]

i hurt someone's feelings once....

[zDom]

In class or in a self defense situation?

[Martial Tucker]

Just once, and it was before I began studying martial arts. I was in my early 20's, and a bouncer in a somewhat rowdy bar. I was actually by far the nicest bouncer in the place, and had a reputation as a peacemaker.....until a jerk came in one night and smacked one of our waitresses and knocked her over a table. It didn't help matters that she was also my roommate's girlfriend. I went after him like a rocket. I don't remember what I did to him (this was almost 30 years ago), but he was in the hospital for 3 days. The chief resident called the bar owner and asked what the hell we did to the guy.

Looking back, I'm not sure if it would have been better or worse if I had been a MA student at the time. On one hand, I might have had more restraint, but on the other hand, I also might have killed the guy right on the spot.
I'll do just about anything to avoid a fight, but if I see you strike a woman, all bets are off.

I'll also say that was the only time I've ever hurt someone and felt absolutely no remorse.

[Steel Tiger]

While working as security for a university bar I have twice broken someone's wrist with qinna. All in the heat of the moment and I didn't even realise to after the fact.

[wade]

Yes..........................:)

[Dave Leverich]

Yes.

[kingkong89]

yes but never to the extent of hospital care, i try to be nice to people i don't look for trouble.and like ''bushidomartialarts'' posted someones feelings being hurt can sometimes hurt worse then physical pain

[tellner]

Accidentally or on purpose?

[wade]

Same response, different day...........................:)

[kosho]

Sorry to say yes. a student whated to feel a teq. done on him so he got a vest protector and punched in. I just reacted to his movement. and the next thing he was in the air about 3 feet over the ground and I did a open palm strike to the pad. He hit the ground and his skin color change to yellow and he was in a ton of pain. after about 5 min. we took him to the E. R. the Dr on that night did x rays and a cat scan. his liver was shocked and about 55 of the surface was brused he said. wanted to know what blunt object hit him. we told him what happened. he really did not believe us. the pain was so intense the DR gave him morphine and we where there for about 6 hrs. he was told he could go home and rest. he was out of work for a few days. the dr. said any harder and his liver could have went into failer...
the pad was about 2 in think..
kosho

[Yeti]

i hurt someone's feelings once....
BASTARD!! How could you?!!! LOL...

Nope. I've broken ribs and had them broken, but nothing to that extent. And I've never hurt anyone's feelings...

[Seeking Zen]

I have successfully bruised an ego....

[BrandiJo]

I have successfully bruised an ego....

egos need to take a beating ever now and then lol.


Me nah iv never hurt anyone except maybe my brother.. but he doesnt count and it never put him in the hospital.

[Xue Sheng]

Yes

[LawDog]

Yes, when attempt's to do serious bodily harm existed and all other reasonable options had been exhausted.

[DavidCC]

I thought I had injured a training partner's neck the other day... grappling, attempting an arm triangle. he squirmed, I tightened, it turned into a nasty neck-crank. He "verbally tapped with extreme volume". He was ok in a few minutes but I felt pretty bad the rest of the night.

[Sukerkin]

I've recounted in brief in other threads the circumstances of the one instance of me putting MA training into practice. I don't know the true extent of the injuries I inflicted but I know what they sounded like and I'd rather not have to do it again.

Oddly, the worst sounding was probably the lesser harm - it was closer to my ears as I had hold of the chaps arm at the time. The greater injury is the one I feel really guilty about as I essentially destroyed the fellows knee joint from the side :yeuk:.

I've always been pretty much anti-violence all my adult life but having been involved in such an event quite early on in my MA training made me realise just how easy it is to make a mess of someone if you know what you're doing. That in turn made me realise that it puts the responsibility on you to make sure you never have to do it ... if you can catch such convoluted logic :D.

[kidswarrior]

I put s.o. in the hospital long ago when the only MA I knew was boxing, and felt so bad that I looked him up a couple years later and apologized (even though he started it by taking a 'knock out' swing at me). Just as Sukerkin, have recounted this before so 'nuff said here. But now armed with much more MA knowledge and skill, I do count it a responsibility to try to use care not to put myself in situations where using the MA's might be necessary.

[Rich Parsons]

I was wondering if any of you great people ever really had to hurt someone to the point of putting them in a hospital and what was the circumstances behind it?

I know when I was doinf alot of sparring tournament I broke a few bones, but not to the extent of some \body spending the week in a hospital room.


Yes and the police reports and the questioning all night long are something I have not done in a long time and do not look forward to doing in the future if I can avoid it.

I will say this most were just an over night stay. A couple were a little longer as they were unconscious or just coming around when the ambulance took them away. Getting dropped on the asphalt or having one's head meet a wall or car does that.

I will admit I spent a few hours getting tests or xrays done myself. Other times when I should have gone, I did not, or went to the doctors a few days later.

In training I have separated someone's shoulder. I have had a rib "pop" out and back in no break, just the loud popping sound I felt the motion and saw a blinding white light and lost all my air. I guess miss blocking a spin heel kick by an inch will do that. I have broken fingers (* happens with sticks all the time *) and I used to carry a frog just for that because of the accidents that can occur.

[IcemanSK]

Yes

[TraditionalTKD]

Fortunately nothing more than bloody noses and bruised egos. Have stunned a few people with well timed high roundhouse and axe kicks. I save my power for the sandbag.

[Shaderon]

Thankfully no, and I hope I'll never have to either. I had a long hard temper when I was a teenager though, my boyfriends brother tried to interfere in an argument we were having and went to push me, I don't know how it happened but the tussle ended up with my hand round his throat and his feet off the floor. It scared me and I've always walked away since.

[avm247]

Nope. Never.

[Rich Parsons]

Thankfully no, and I hope I'll never have to either.

This is the way I wish it was myself. I can wish for it to be this way for more people. So I think of you and the others like you as the lucky ones. :)

[blackxpress]

As far as MA is concerned, not seriously. The closest I've come was one night during sparring practice. I was sparring with my Sensei and threw a spinning backfist. He missed the block and it caught him right in front of his ear. It was only about half power, I was wearing gloves and he was wearing a padded sparring helmet and it still nearly knocked him out. His knees buckled just a little and he threw up his hands and turned his back to me. Took him a couple of minutes to recover. He said he saw stars. Made a believer out of me. I can only imagine what one of those strikes would do if it was full power without padding. I felt pretty bad because I didn't mean to hit him that hard.

[Kwiter]

Does crippling them with sarcasm count? ;-)

Worst I've ever done was break a nose and had a hand busted against my Cro Magnon Skull ;-)

Skennen Peace.

[Skip Cooper]

Never put anyone in the hospital for days, but been in many scrapes during my years. Ironically, I was involved in more fights before I began training in MA. Fortunately, I have yet to use my training in a real life situation.

[Tames D]

Yes, when attempt's to do serious bodily harm existed and all other reasonable options had been exhausted.
Ditto. And more than once unfortunatley.

[Brian R. VanCise]

Yes, when attempt's to do serious bodily harm existed and all other reasonable options had been exhausted.

The same and it was work related everytime.

[Em MacIntosh]

I've had all the nice guy beaten out of me. I have no patience anymore. You want my shoes? Here. You want my hat? Here. My jacket? My watch? My chain? Here. You ever, EVER put your hands on me and you lose your eyes, nuts and/or your life. Material objects are just that, stuff. It's just money. The concept of them not understanding they've won though, that's when things get sticky. I'm giving them my stuff peacefully but it's not enough and they wanna touch me? Ooooh, buddy! BIG mistake. Anyone I've sent to the hospital usually got hurt by their surroundings, i.e. pavement. One guy attacked me in a phone booth. I ended up "trading him spots" and slamming him all around the booth until he quit moving. I've kicked (repeatedly) plenty of car doors closed on people's legs when they try to get out after me. One guy pulled a knife on me and I chucked a brick and hit him in the forehead (lucky shot, *klink*). I wish I was better at martial arts and not hurting people. I feel they all deserved it though, and I never sent anyone there on purpose. I ALWAYS stick around and call them an ambulance if they need it (the police appreciate me staying around and making a statement too). My problem is where I live. I've learned not to wear jewellery or nice jackets or to walk with my girlfreind or without a group in the wrong areas. I must stress though, even if you feel you can handle someone, give them your wallet (or jacket). For me it's a concept of being "touched". That's my "nice guy" line. If you can defend yourself without sending someone to the hospital (morgue for you tenth-degree black dragon kung fu grand-masters) or better yet, without even hurting them, you're a much better martial artist than me. I still regret when I have to hurt someone, even though my life was in danger. The sad part is people who provoke it.

[green meanie]

I was wondering if any of you great people ever really had to hurt someone to the point of putting them in a hospital and what was the circumstances behind it?

Yes. Several times. But it's something I haven't done in a very long time.

[MA-Caver]

I wish I was better at martial arts and not hurting people. I feel they all deserved it though, and I never sent anyone there on purpose. I ALWAYS stick around and call them an ambulance if they need it (the police appreciate me staying around and making a statement too). Just from that tells me that you're a martialist. Being a martialist doesn't mean you HAVE to hurt people. Sometimes you do because you have to. A contradictory statement if ever there was one...
It will always, always be your intent when you hurt someone. The why you are hurting them. The fact that you stick around to call an ambulance shows compassion (not remorse... if you say "aww gee fella I'm sorry" ... then you're remorseful, which (IMO) you should never be when someone attacks you. The fact also that you're willing to stick around and give the police a statement shows the acceptance of responsibility for your actions which shows a mature Martial Artist.


I still regret when I have to hurt someone, even though my life was in danger. The sad part is people who provoke it. Yes, it's okay to regret having to hurt them but you seem to understand that they brought it upon themselves by trying to hurt you. But never let them know that. :D :asian:

I've hurt people yes, but only once may have someone been sent to the hospitial... I don't know. I somehow ended up in the "bad sector" of Washington D.C. (N.E. Fla Ave.) in the night at around 2:30 am and was trying to (walk) to a safe haven... a college campus. I was accosted by someone and in effect use an slashing axe hand against his windpipe (lucky shot really) and he went down... I kept walking. It was one of those situations/places where you don't stick around. I wasn't sorry for the guy, but I've grown up since then. :asian:

[10,000 Hit Combo]

This one time I was running away from a group of guys. As they chased me their group thinned out. One of the little guys was gaining on me but his buddies were about fifty feet behind him. He got close enough and I stopped, planted my foot and straight-armed him in the cheek. He hit the ground hard and didn't move. I kept running. They didn't follow me. I often wonder...