Joint locks

[fringe_dweller]

For those of you who study an art which includes joint locks how do you practice them in real time? I have just recently started sparring with one of our higher level belts before class in order to identify weaknesses in my technique and learn what I need to work more on (apart from everything). I'm worried about applying joint locks in this scenario as I don't want to do any damage by taking the technique too far before I realise it.
Do you recommend just practicing them in a static situation and only work on strikes and kicks during sparring? Any help is much appreciated.

Respectfully

[Kirk]

We do the hubud drill, and try to apply arm/wrist locks, etc. It's
not a real time thing, but it's a pretty good drill for real time.

[jfarnsworth]

Start out going slow, then increase the speed of the attack/defense. No one is in class to harm each other. As long as there's mutual respect between the practitioners speed up the pace as you go along. I would not recommend going fast and hard at the beginning that will do no one any good. Your chance of injury then goes up. Pick out a specific sequence of moves you would like to to that way there's no surprise to either party. Hope this helps.

[bdparsons]

There are certain parameters that need to be in place for real-time (read: fast!) joint manipulation practice:

1. Complete trust in your training partner and his/her abilities including; their ability to fall/move with any given technique, their knowledge of any given technique and the effect it will have on their joints, their willingness to be honest about your execution of a given technique (nothing is worse than a training partner who falls just for the sake of falling... if a technique is not being done properly speak up!)

2. Confidence in your own knowledge of the techniques. Granted this will only come with repeated practice at slower speeds, ramping up to faster and faster execution speeds.

3. Be committed in your technique execution. Nothing will set you and your training partner up for injuries more than half-hearted execution of your technique.

Respects,
Bill Parsons

[Kempojujutsu]

If you are teaching beginners this is the last thing you want them to try on each other. They should be learning how to properly apply the lock. When doing a joint lock for real (street Situation) I am trying to break, rip or tear, the joint, tendon, legament. The more experience you have, the faster or closer to real time you can go. I can actually feel my attacker's joint when applying a lock. Can tell how far I can go, this comes with experience, and is aquired from doing drills like Kirk mentioned.
Bob :asian:

[fringe_dweller]

Originally posted by Kirk

We do the hubud drill, and try to apply arm/wrist locks, etc. It's
not a real time thing, but it's a pretty good drill for real time.

Hubud? Don't recognise the terminology but I'll ask my Instructor about it.

Kempojujutsu, I'm looking to practice this myself, not teach others. I'm only 6th Kup who's looking for an effective way to practice these techniques.

Probably helpful to mention I train in Hapkido

Respectfully

[Angus]

Hubud is a sensitivity/flow drill from the Filipino Arts, usually done with sticks/escrimas.

[7starmantis]

We mostly use sticky hands to train in strikes, kicks, and joint locks/manipulations. Like most, it starts very very slow, then you can speed up as your skill increases.
Best advice yet: Start Very Slow!! Learn the technique, then speed up a bit.


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[Mon Mon]

When applying a Joint lock tell the person to tap when its too much then go ahead and do it and wait till they tap out.

[Abbax8]

To practice joint locks in real time, first get a good partner and both be on the same page. Second, you set the lock in real time, but don't apply it. Example- for an elbow lock like waki gatame, I will grasp the wrist or forearm, pull the arm in front of me at full speed and place my other hand on the elbow to be locked at full speed. But I DO NOT bend the joint past normal range of motion at full speed. There is no need. If I have properly locked the arm AND off balanced my uke, I can take my time in applying the lock. This is real training that will transfer to the streets directly.

Peace
Dennis

[Lawman9]

Originally posted by Mon Mon
When applying a Joint lock tell the person to tap when its too much then go ahead and do it and wait till they tap out.

That's a good one. We also work in slow motion at first to completely learn each lock. We work on taking the lock from no pain up to the highest pain without breaking. That is the type of control you need in a fight so that is how we work on it. My teacher wouldn't allow me to tap out....lol...learned alot from it though.

[Zujitsuka]

I wouldn't suggest practicing joint manipulations on small joints at combat speed. I am particularly talking about locks to the wrists and fingers. A high speed (small circle) kote gaeshi or sankajo very well may hyperextend a joint and put someone out of commission. Also, stay away from neck manipulations for obvious reasons.

If you're going to practice applying locks in real time, stick to the locks to the elbow and shoulder - like those used in Judo's randori practice.

Peace & blessings,