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fist of fury
10-21-2002, 10:28 AM
Interesting article dispelling many of the myths about sport grappling and street fighting.

http://www.cyberkwoon.com/html/article.php?sid=284
7starmantis
10-21-2002, 10:46 AM
Wow, that was a very well thought and well versed article. Very true as well. I think the main point is to use your head. Know when to run like hell, and know when to fight. If you do have to fight, use your head again, check your conditions.
Good article

7sm
tarabos
10-21-2002, 10:52 AM
enjoyable article...thanks...
Kirk
10-21-2002, 11:31 AM
Very interesting!
Kirk
10-21-2002, 11:46 PM
hmm, no comment from the grapplers, huh?
tarabos
10-22-2002, 07:55 AM
don't know if there's much to comment on. the guy makes some pretty valid and sensible points and doesn't seem to offend any major parties. but i guess they could comment on how they agree with him....:)
Bod
10-22-2002, 08:19 AM
And the article was by Marc McYoung. A somewhat respected member of the 'reality camp'.
brianhunter
10-22-2002, 09:27 AM
very good article...too many martial artist forget to train environment and he touched on that very well.
MartialArtist
10-23-2002, 12:57 AM
LOL, how true.
Zujitsuka
10-23-2002, 01:28 PM
Great article! Thanks for sharing this with the forum.

Peace & blessings,
ace
10-23-2002, 01:41 PM
Coment from A Grappler!!!!!!!
tarabos
10-23-2002, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by ace

Coment from A Grappler!!!!!!!

ok, i'm sold...with reasoning like that...who could argue with you?

GARBAGE IT IS!

:rolleyes:
brianhunter
10-23-2002, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by ace

Coment from A Grappler!!!!!!!

Wow good points...it was nice to see you so easily uncover the lies in all of that silly article with your well thought out research!
Man Im heading to a grappling school right now!
ace
10-23-2002, 03:21 PM
Any Time
Any Time
Any Time


It will be eye opeaning:D
fist of fury
10-23-2002, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by ace

Any Time
Any Time
Any Time


It will be eye opeaning:D

Not really that much of an eye opener.
fist of fury
10-23-2002, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by ace

Coment from A Grappler!!!!!!!

So then enlighten us as to why, sure you can give some intelligent counter points to the article besides "It's garbage".
tarabos
10-23-2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by ace

Any Time
Any Time
Any Time


It will be eye opeaning:D

so do you respect anyone's abilities or opinions on this forum?

tell the truth now....
ace
10-23-2002, 03:40 PM
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tarabos
10-23-2002, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by ace

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wow....this is mind-numbing...

anyway...thanks to fist of fury for the article...see you in the next post.
fist of fury
10-23-2002, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by tarabos

wow....this is mind-numbing...

anyway...thanks to fist of fury for the article...see you in the next post.
No problem I was hoping to get some good feed back and intelligent discussion from some grapplers.
ace
10-23-2002, 05:06 PM
:redeme:
Zujitsuka
10-24-2002, 12:51 PM
I have a great deal of respect for Marc "Animal" McYoung. Overall, I like what he has to say. However, most grapplers that I have met have the common sense to know not to go to the ground in the street. Most know how to take you down too - quickly. For instance, don't BJJ guys use Judo throws?

Also, I disagree about what he said somewhere on his website about it not being necessary to be in good shape to defend yourself. I'm not a grappler, but this is heresy as far as grapplers are concerned. They have a motto: "Conditioning is the greatest hold" (Karl Gotch quote).

I feel that superior conditioning is a necessity. You have to be in good shape to withstand the blows landed on you, and have the endurance to run away. If you're out of shape, you can't possibly be doing yourself a favor. You got to be able to "take a lickin and keep on tickin".

I think that most people who like to bash grapplers forget that they know how to perform eye gouges, bit, kick and punch too. Of course these are illegal in competition/sport, but you can get a well-conditioned combat athlete to adapt to a fast-moving self-defense situation a lot quicker than the average Joe who hasn't tried out his techniques on a resisting opponent.

Oh, before I forget, Marc's website is http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com

Peace and blessings,
7starmantis
10-24-2002, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Zujitsuka


Also, I disagree about what he said somewhere on his website about it not being necessary to be in good shape to defend yourself. I'm not a grappler, but this is heresy as far as grapplers are concerned. They have a motto: "Conditioning is the greatest hold" (Karl Gotch quote).

I feel that superior conditioning is a necessity. You have to be in good shape to withstand the blows landed on you, and have the endurance to run away. If you're out of shape, you can't possibly be doing yourself a favor. You got to be able to "take a lickin and keep on tickin".

Peace and blessings,

While I agree that superior conditioning is advantageous, it is not completely neccesary if your talking about "beer belly", not able to run long distances, ect.
My Sigung when asked to show something before a student signs up, will light up a cigarett, open a beer and sit back in his chair and say watch this. Now, while I don't neccessarily agree with that, I have to respect it, as this is the same guy (who has quite a large beer belly if you ask me, but I didn't say that) who does tam tuis on small cups, I've seen him punch his fingers through a stop sign, he trained in wah lum and lightfoot techniques at the Wah Lum Temple in Orlando for several years. So while conditioning is great, it MUST not be neccesary.
Really blows my mind though!!!

7sm
ace
10-24-2002, 01:23 PM
Zujiisuka Rite on.

Coditioning is the best Submisson


I quote the Shamrock Brothers
:roflmao: :roflmao:
:roflmao:
WhiteTiger
12-03-2002, 03:01 PM
I think Marc's point was that grappling/ground fighting surrenders mobility and thereby your ability to react to the unexpected e.g( the buddy you didn't see that has a knife or club or a chair). Let's face it no one but no one can predict all the possible variables that may come into play in a street fight. The guy could be a Navy Seal, he could have a weapon, he could be a junky with an infected needle in his pocket, you just can't know, and if you immediately surrender your mobility by going to the ground you also surrender the option of finding out your in over your head and backing out. In my opinion if you find yourself in a steet fight situation strike first, strike hard, and vacate immediately.