your style

[muayThaiPerson]

hey, i was wondering why you chose to train in the style you chose.i mean what about the style you chose attracted you.

[karatekid1975]

You don't have self defense up there. When I started MA, I didn't know anything about martial arts, let alone the differences between each art. I didn't care LOL. But once I studied for a while, I learned so much. I think that TSD is a very effective "stand-up" art. I learned a lot of self defense type stuff as well as the low effective kicks mixed with the fun high fancy flying kicks that TSD is famous for.

After I moved, I didn't pick TKD by choice. It was either this school or a Mcdojang (which Rochester is full of McDojangs). I did want something similar to TSD, though.

[muayThaiPerson]

that falls under the category of why u started martial arts. i wanted to know why you chose the art not why you chose to do an art.

sorry

[cdhall]

Originally posted by muayThaiPerson

that falls under the category of why u started martial arts. i wanted to know why you chose the art not why you chose to do an art.

sorry

muayThaiPerson,

I think you misunderstood karatekid1975 unless I am also confused.
I wanted to start "karate" to learn self-defense.
It was blind luck that I walked into a Kenpo school, it is where my parents took me.

So my motivation was Self Defense. I picked the art at random based on where my parents took me to sign up.

Does that make sense? :confused:
:asian:

[Kenpo Wolf]

I voted on effectiveness because that's what it all comes down to. BTW, what do you mean by racial affiliation or whatever you called it? What does race have to do with the martial arts? Damn, you come up with odd topics.:)

[Kempojujutsu]

I picked effectiveness, but not sure if that is the best answer. The art I choose was because of it's self defense.
Bob:asian:

[D.Cobb]

I chose the system that I do now because of it's effectiveness. I used to trai in American Kenpo but I wanted more. I started training in Ryukyu Kempo so that I could add pressure points to my Kenpo. One night after a grappling class, Senseii put a video of Mr. Moneymaker & Mr. Muncie doing demos on. On this video these guys were doing stuff that I had never seen before but had heard of. I stopped training in AK and took up Ryukyu Kempo full time.
:asian:
--Dave

[Shinzu]

i did not select any of the above. i started karate because it was karate... not any particular style. i think if i would have been first introduced to TKD, then thats what i would be doing. i joined simply because i was interested, but during my journey it has become a part of me.

[muayThaiPerson]

oh, to those who said self defense, then it would best be in the 'effectiveness' category. becuase self defence is why u started martial arts. effectiveness is why you chose that art. sorry bout that.

[ace]

><

[theneuhauser]

To get chicks:eek:

[karatekid1975]

muayThaiPerson wrote:

"that falls under the category of why u started martial arts. i wanted to know why you chose the art not why you chose to do an art."

Oh ok. That's a tough one, because I didn't know anything at all about martial arts (not enough to choose an "art" that is). So, I just was out looking for a good school/instructor not art. The thing that got me about my TSD dojang was the way they treated me when I was popping "dumb" questions at them. They treated me with respect. So, I started TSD the same week :) That's how I chose TSD.

[7starmantis]

It seems that alot of people started their system at random just seekign a good school and instructor. This should show the importance of a respectful and knowledgable instructor and students. It also kinda strikes me as strange, its great that the art form you chose has been such a good match that you have stayed with it. Isn't that kinda weird to you guys? I mean, its awesome that you found it and have enjoyed it, just weird that so many people have been such a good fit for the art they started. I guess that goes to show that MA are for everyone and are for each person to get what thye want out of them.

Pretty Cool if you ask me.

7sm

[Master of Blades]

My dad beat me into dojng it....and is still beating me into doing it. Thats what you get for being taught by your dad :P

[muayThaiPerson]

Oh ok. That's a tough one, because I didn't know anything at all about martial arts (not enough to choose an "art" that is). So, I just was out looking for a good school/instructor not art. The thing that got me about my TSD dojang was the way they treated me when I was popping "dumb" questions at them. They treated me with respect. So, I started TSD the same week That's how I chose TSD.

oic. i see i left out an option. my mistake:( . what is TSD?

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Master of Blades, thats a pretty cool pic

[muayThaiPerson]

Oh ok. That's a tough one, because I didn't know anything at all about martial arts (not enough to choose an "art" that is). So, I just was out looking for a good school/instructor not art. The thing that got me about my TSD dojang was the way they treated me when I was popping "dumb" questions at them. They treated me with respect. So, I started TSD the same week That's how I chose TSD.

oh, my mistake then. what is TSD?

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master of blades, thats a nice pic, is that u or ur dad?

[Marginal]

My major inducement to start MA was probably fitness. I'd started getting really drowsy all the time, so I thought moving around more than not at all'd help. Went with the school's TKD club thinking that doing a MA'd be more interesting than just jogging or something like that since I'd tried exerising on and off without ever really sticking to a routine. (Also had the advantage of being free)

It resonated with me, and I've been with it ever since. (That, and it looks cool on Buffy.)

[Master of Blades]

Lol its my dad. It was class picture day so we all did some cool stances and that was the best pic. I like it. and yes that is what he uses to beat us into submission if we dont do what he wants. Its even worse when he gets out the swords.......they may be blunt but boy do they hurt! God I love my dad :D

[Chiduce]

None of the above!
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!

[Kenpo_student]

Originally posted by muayThaiPerson

oh, my mistake then. what is TSD?




I think it is in reference to Tang Soo Do. I could be wrong though.
:asian:

[karatekid1975]

No, Kenpo. You're right. TSD is short for Tang Soo Do.

[Master of Blades]

Im interested in finding out what Soo Bahk Do is! Anyone know?

[Shinzu]

Originally posted by Master of Blades

Im interested in finding out what Soo Bahk Do is! Anyone know?

Soo Bahk Do was the name chosen for the U.S Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation, it was changed in 1994. some systems still stick by that name, but they're basically the same.

[kenposcum]

When I went shopping for a dojo, all I got were smiles and "you'll be so good, so fast," and I must have had some form of McDojo warning device, because even knowing nothing, I knew in my heart that these schools were pretty crappity.
So I didn't want to go to any of these "2 year black belt" schools. Thankfully, the last school we went to was my current school. In all honesty, the only reason I signed up is because I was scared of the instructor. He just looked mean and raw and hard. (growling) "Yeah, I'll tell you what, it takes a long time to get your black belt here, you're looking at a minimum of six years, and that's training everyday, growl growl growl." So I decided I wanted to be like him...you know, scary.
:asian:

[Master of Blades]

You went shopping for a Dojo.......I didnt realise they sold them in Ikea? :rofl:

[kenposcum]

Semantics...okay,fine smart guy, when I went looking for a dojo to train at.
Jeepers!
:asian:

[Nyoongar]

To become an indestructable half man half god in the mould of Hercules.

[DireWolf]

I'd have to say effectiveness. Wing Chun is not a pretty art! Plus it enables me to train around some fairly serious injuries. Plus I've noticed that fighting at that range i.e. as close as physically possible scares the crap out of my sparring buddies...they're always trying to step back into kicking range, or the fighting measure or whatever. I just stick to them like glue. Psyche out!!

[bob919]

i have trained for a lopng time for effectiveness in many styles and i have read many books on the subject but also recently i have been looking on nive looking kicks eg jumping 360 rounhouse but i don't think i would use that in a fight:asian:

[D.Cobb]

Originally posted by Master of Blades
God I love my dad :D

Well MoB, you have told all of us, I just hope that you have told him.

It's kinda nice when your kids tell you stuff like that.
--Dave:asian:

[Master of Blades]

Yeah...It usually comes out sometime when were on the floor trying to make each other tap. Its times like that that stick in your mind for life :D

:rofl: :shrug: :asian:

[sweeper]

well what would your freind saying "hey lets go to a JKD class fall under" ?

[MartialArtist]

Combat

[shadowdragon]

I like the effectiveness of the art... but some high kicking as well.
But I don't like to compete, I hope to learn about self-defense and such, weapons etc.

[Kiz Bell]

My reason really was "'cause I think swords are cool and I really like playing playing with sharp, pointy objects", so I ticked the "it looks cool" box. On second thoughts "history" of the art played a big part in it too.

I notice you didn't have a box for "I've watched way too many Jet Li movies and think I'm a Kung Fu master". :D

[anthonyc]

I started because of my kids. They won free lessons at a local Kenpo school and, during my visits to watch them, I became hooked on the wisdom that was (and still is) Ed Parker.

[cali_tkdbruin]

Originally posted by muayThaiPerson
hey, i was wondering why you chose to train in the style you chose.i mean what about the style you chose attracted you.

Well, as I mentioned in a previous thread, for me it's a family obsession.
Also, I like that in my Art one primarily uses the strongest part of the human body, the legs... :asian:

[karatekid1975]

Kiz, that is funny .... speaking of Jet Li, I am watching Fist of Legend :D

Anyways, I just started Judo (this time I had enough knowledge about MA to pick one). What attracted me to Judo was the joint locks, ground work, ect. My instructor even explains "why" and "how" things work. Me being a person that wants to know "why" and "how", I thought that was awsome :) It's also kinda "informal" training. We just go in there and have fun, except when we do technique work. Then my instrctor turns into a "drill sargent" LOL

[A.R.K.]

I developed my system due to it's effectiveness against BG's in real world situations.

Take care.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Zhao Dai Wei
I developed my system due to it's effectiveness against BG's in real world situations.

Take care.

What did you develop it from???

Thus far you have yet to answer a single question about who you got your ranks in Pangainoon and "Shuri Te":rolleyes: from.

I'll ask again:

Schultz,

You never did answer my question about who you got your 8th dan from in Pangainoon.
Since it is such a high rank it could only have come from a higher ranked source which would lead us to someone in Okinawa.
I will make it a real simple question so there is no confusion.
Who did you test for 8th dan with?
Since Pangainoon now uses Okinawan Kobudo which system of Okianwan Kobudo do you use?
Also, do you know the name of Pangainoon in Chinese?

You still have yet to supply a list of those names of teachers that teach “Shuri-Te Ryu” down in Okinawa. Who are they?

You mentioned the kata of Pangainoon before.

What are the names of the kata in Pangainoon?

[hamster_kicks]

I picked kenpo because i was always getting pushed around by people and getting made fun of because i couldnt do anything to counter attack, and i come from a sexist family and they are always calling me weak and that i couldnt take on anyone. I aslo started wushu because i saw this video of these tricks and it looked unnatural almost superhuman way cool, also because my friend told me about and then my cuz got into it.

[lucifersdad]

i think most people (myself included) start training and keep training in an art for completely differant reasons,
i started wado ryu karate because i saw a demo and thought it looked good, i kept training because i relised the jump spinning kicks i saw in the demo arnt part of the wado syllabus because i was taught other new and interesting ways to break people! and no style is perfect and has all the answers thats why we all use the 2 magic words "cross training",

dont you agree?

[Disco]

Please forgive my ignorance on the modern state of the Martial Arts. I'm from the dark ages of the early 60's. I was of the assumption that there were only 2 original styles of karate from Okinawa (Shuri-te and Naha-te) and 3 ryu's (Goju, Shorin and Isshin). Where and when did all these other named styles come from. I have never heard of many of them. Did they originate after WWII when the rest of the world received general knowledge of karate or are they offshoots created by the general explosion of the arts during the 70's? I figured if anybody could answer these questions it would be you. Thanks in advance for any information you can forward.:asian:

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by lucifersdad
i think most people (myself included) start training and keep training in an art for completely differant reasons,
i started wado ryu karate because i saw a demo and thought it looked good, i kept training because i relised the jump spinning kicks i saw in the demo arnt part of the wado syllabus because i was taught other new and interesting ways to break people! and no style is perfect and has all the answers thats why we all use the 2 magic words "cross training",

dont you agree?

Actually I do not.
I think all styles are either practiced/taught correctly or have gotten screwed up along the way by some person(s).
I think there are no imperfect styles only imperfect practitioners of that style.
This was posted by myself on the thread below.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=111019#post111019

I trained in other arts not to become ranked in them but to try and understand how to use my art (Karate) against them.
It was interesting as well as helpful.
I recommend exposing yourself to other arts not necessarily to master them but to prepare yourself against them.

“Know yourself and your enemy and in 100 battles you will be victorious”

Most arts have enough techniques to do a good job of defending yourself it’s just some arts don’t always practice the way they were originally done.
Aikido for example has strikes and yet I have only seen one dojo actually practice them.
Karate has grappling type techniques but hardly anybody in the West knew/practiced them up until the mid 1980’s.



Originally posted by Disco
Please forgive my ignorance on the modern state of the Martial Arts. I'm from the dark ages of the early 60's. I was of the assumption that there were only 2 original styles of karate from Okinawa (Shuri-te and Naha-te) and 3 ryu's (Goju, Shorin and Isshin). Where and when did all these other named styles come from. I have never heard of many of them. Did they originate after WWII when the rest of the world received general knowledge of karate or are they offshoots created by the general explosion of the arts during the 70's? I figured if anybody could answer these questions it would be you. Thanks in advance for any information you can forward.:asian:

There are several schools of thought on this subject.

One school thinks that each kata was it’s own style. Choki Motobu and several others were firm believers in this idea and I have to admit I am too.

For example:
Passai, Kusanku, Niseishi etc were all their own styles.

Many years (100+ years) ago a teacher only knew one maybe two kata.

The second school of thought believes there were originally 3 schools.
Naha, Tomari, and Shuri.

I don’t think this is really accurate for several reasons.
It is known that most people only knew one or two kata and Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite actually contain several kata belonging to each group which would mean that people from those areas knew more than one or more like 5~10 kata. This Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite distinction also didn’t come about until about the early 1920’s.
It is my belief that Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite were more than like politaclly motivated names rather than by the actually types of kata practiced there in.
People claim Nahata is more suited to people of a heavier build and Shurite for people of a lighter build.
To me that sounds ridiculous. Does that mean if I am a person of large build I have to go to Naha to learn Karate that will work for me or the opposite if I am a slight build?
Also since “real” techniques works on anyone regardless of size it shouldn’t matter.
The whole Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite controversy reminds of the BBQ rivalries in the US where one state claims to have a more “superior” BBQ than the other.

(Side note: Naha and Shuri are so closed together you can’t tell when you have left one and entered the other. Years ago they were more distinctly separated but they were still no more than a mile or two from each other. Okinawa is only 67 miles long and 7 miles wide.)

People also make the erroneous claim that Uechi & Goju are Nahate karate but in fact they are not. They both came from China. Also of note is the Goju practiced/taught by Miyagi Chojun was not the same as practiced by Kiyoda Juhatsu and Higaonna Kanryo.

I have yet to hear of a style that doesn’t have at least one kata from two or more of the so-called Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite lines.

[Tigertron]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
I developed my system due to it's effectiveness against BG's in real world situations.

Take care.



Originally posted by RyuShiKan
What did you develop it from???

Thus far you have yet to answer a single question about who you got your ranks in Pangainoon and "Shuri Te":rolleyes: from.

I'll ask again:

Schultz,

You never did answer my question about who you got your 8th dan from in Pangainoon.
Since it is such a high rank it could only have come from a higher ranked source which would lead us to someone in Okinawa.
I will make it a real simple question so there is no confusion.
Who did you test for 8th dan with?
Since Pangainoon now uses Okinawan Kobudo which system of Okianwan Kobudo do you use?
Also, do you know the name of Pangainoon in Chinese?

You still have yet to supply a list of those names of teachers that teach “Shuri-Te Ryu” down in Okinawa. Who are they?

You mentioned the kata of Pangainoon before.

What are the names of the kata in Pangainoon?

Check this out. Scroll up and look at the original posts. This is weird. Is Mya Ryu Jitsu and Zhao Dai Wei the same person?

[A.R.K.]

I would have to reinforce a couple of comments from RyuShiKan...

"People claim Nahata is more suited to people of a heavier build and Shurite for people of a lighter build.
To me that sounds ridiculous. Does that mean if I am a person of large build I have to go to Naha to learn Karate that will work for me or the opposite if I am a slight build?"

One of my first Instructors in Shurite was a fellow Deputy here. He is perhaps a couple of inches taller than me and 100 lbs heavier. I'll ballpark him at 6'2 and close to 300 lbs. And it's not tummy :D He is an excellent practitioner of Shuri.


People also make the erroneous claim that Uechi & Goju are Nahate karate but in fact they are not. They both came from China.

I did not know that Goju came from China but I am familar with Uechi and Kanbun did travel to the Central Fukien provinence to recieve training for a period of ten years I believe. In fact Uechi-ryu was not named thus until his death in the 40's as an honor and tribute to him by his son Kanie and senior students.


I have yet to hear of a style that doesn’t have at least one kata from two or more of the so-called Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite lines.

Disco and I have discussed these similarities before and I agree. Slight differences perhaps but many general similarities.

:asian:

[A.R.K.]

Tigertron,


Is Mya Ryu Jitsu and Zhao Dai Wei the same person?

Of course we are :rolleyes: The name was changed quite some time ago with the assistance of Arnistor in admin. And questions were put to rest quite some time ago as well.

Lets try to keep up shall we :rofl: Or did you have some point?

:asian:

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu

I did not know that Goju came from China but I am familar with Uechi and Kanbun did travel to the Central Fukien provinence to recieve training for a period of ten years I believe. In fact Uechi-ryu was not named thus until his death in the 40's as an honor and tribute to him by his son Kanie and senior students.



Higaonna Kanryo traveled to Fukien as well and studied under RuRuko (Chinese man's name) and came home with what is now called, by Miyagi Choju lineage folks as, Goju.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
Tigertron,



Of course we are :rolleyes: The name was changed quite some time ago with the assistance of Arnistor in admin. And questions were put to rest quite some time ago as well.

Lets try to keep up shall we :rofl: Or did you have some point?

:asian:


Togerton is new, only 19 posts, so I don't think he was around at the time of the name change.

[Tigertron]

I was browsing the posts and noticed that the names in RSK's quote is Zhao Dai Wei, but the original post is Mya Ryu Jitsu. That was puzzling to me.

Anyway, do you have an 8th degree in Pangainoon? If so, there is question for you in the Chinese Art section. Someone was looking for info on this Pangainoon.


Originally posted by arnisador
...As to Pangainoon--good luck! I'd start with more Uechi-ryu sites and books. I think the Chinese art is lost and only reconstructed versions through Uechi practitioners is available, but I'm no expert.....

[moromoro]

i study eskrima because of family history, i have now been practising for 17years..... also i study for one reason to become a good fighter not to instruct to others.....

thanks

terry

[theletch1]

Why I started is not why I stayed. I started after watching my kids train and deciding that I was really enjoying what I saw going on in the adult class when the kids wanted to hang around the school after class and play with the rest of the young-uns. I stayed because I was impressed with the effectiveness of the art and I continue to stay because I am still impressed.

You still haven't explained the "racial affiliation" choice.

[moromoro]

what is Pangainoon???????????????????????????????????????? ?????????

[A.R.K.]

moromoro,

Pangainoon is a Chinese system from the Central Fukien providence. It incorporates the Dragon, Tiger and Crane techniques. Pangainoon means 'Half hard/Half soft'. It has many of the linear blocks, strikes and kicks normally associated with many other systems as well as circular [Wa uke] blocking technique. It has three kata [although Ryu believes the number is four]. Sanchin is the bread & butter kata so to speak. Kanbun Uechi often stated "To know Sanchin is to know karate". Sanchin Kata in the old system took ten years to master according to Kanbun.

What is today known as Uechi-ryu Karate Do comes from Pangainoon through Kanbun Uechi circa 1897. This was my first structured exposure to Karate.

:asian:

[moromoro]

thanks
have you serious karate practitioners also practice certain arts of kung fu to go to the roots of the system?????

[A.R.K.]

Yes, many do.

:asian:

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
It has three kata [although Ryu believes the number is four].

No Ryu doesn’t “believe” there is four kata he “knows” it, as would you if your 8th dan in Pangainoon was a legit. You would think that someone with such a high rank would know something so basic about the style they claim to have legit rank in.:rolleyes:

The Pangainoon kata are:

1. Sanchin
2. Seisan
3. Sanseryu
4. Suparinpe

Any one that doesn’t believe this can check several references……..the easiest would be to check Mark Bishop’s Book called Okinawan Karate Teachers, Style, and their Secret Techniques on page 42, last paragraph.

[A.R.K.]

:rolleyes:

My 8th is as legit as whatever you claim to have...

And ALL of my references as well as multiple websites list THREE kata for Pangainoon. Specifically Uechi ryu Karate Do by Matteson. If your book differs...so? Kanbun Uechi brought back three kata and only three and never made reference to any others. Which is one of the reasons Kanie felt the need to create five more. Since Kanbun studied for ten years and then received permission to teach in China he probably would have been aware of another kata. Anyway it's a mute point....Sanchin kata is the heart and soul kata of the system. This point is reinforced into every Pangainoon and Uechi practioner worldwide.

Since I know there are only three kata in Pangainoon based on information provided by Kanbun as well as other resources I did you the courtesy of stating that your opinion differed in a kind way. If you took it any other way...you are in error.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
:rolleyes:

My 8th is as legit as whatever you claim to have...


Yeah right……..:rofl:
We have been down this road before…..or have you forgotten.
How many pages on this BBs did we have to go through before you answered from whom and from which organization you got your 8th dan :rofl: …….oh wait…..you still haven’t answered that one have you………
I find it very odd that you claim rank in an Okinawan style and to date have yet to be graded by anyone/organization in Okinawa and yet you claim a higher rank than most of the people that would be grading you. I would love for you to go to the Pangainoon Honbu in Okinawa and claim an 8th dan in their style and see what they say.


Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
:rolleyes: And ALL of my references as well as multiple websites list THREE kata for Pangainoon. Specifically Uechi ryu Karate Do by Matteson. If your book differs...so? Kanbun Uechi brought back three kata and only three and never made reference to any others. Which is one of the reasons Kanie felt the need to create five more. Since Kanbun studied for ten years and then received permission to teach in China he probably would have been aware of another kata. Anyway it's a mute point....Sanchin kata is the heart and soul kata of the system. This point is reinforced into every Pangainoon and Uechi practioner worldwide.

Since I know there are only three kata in Pangainoon based on information provided by Kanbun as well as other resources I did you the courtesy of stating that your opinion differed in a kind way. If you took it any other way...you are in error.


As stated many times previously.
Uechi Kanbun didn’t have time to learn the 4th kata from his teacher Shi Shu Wa.

[A.R.K.]

Whatever :rolleyes:

Sounds like someone pee'd in your wheaties so your looking to rehash old issues.

I have an 8th Dan in Pangainoon. It was awarded by by Sensei in Pangainoon. It is recognized by my current Sensei and several organizations. It is real and valid to me and my peers. It is real and valid to my associates. It is real and valid to the organizations I wish to associate with. I have the knowledge and skill of this system and have used it in real life on-duty.

If you don't like it...I don't care.

If you don't recognize it...I don't care.

I'm not at all concerned with your opinions in regard to me nor am I impressed with your 'book' education. I don't recall seeking your approval. Nor do I or anyone here have to answer to you. I have posted more about myself here than most.

You have absolutely no firsthand knowledge about me, therefore any negative remarks or slanders you make are without basis in fact. They are only your opinion, and one that cannot be backed up with fact.

Go ahead and try to go the slander route again...and get suspended again. You remember that don't you? You know, where you ran off at the mouth about me being someone else...and I wasn't. You remember...when you publically apologized to me here for your unkind words and mistake.

Or maybe you don't remember :rolleyes:

[Disco]

Welcome sports fan for the rematch - live simulcast on cable.

In the blue corner, representing tradition - RyuuuuShaaaKaahhn
woo, woo, woo. yea, you go man..............

In the Red corner, representing westernazation - MyyyyaaRyyyyuJitssssuuu woo.woo,woo, yea, oh boy!

Now to the center of the ring as we listen to the ref's instructions

"Ok gentlemen, lets have a clean debate. No inuendo's, no nasty name calling, no cursing or vulgarity. Shake hands and at the bell, well you know............

And now a word from our sponser, Dr Nicks rectal reformation clinic............................:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[A.R.K.]

No inuendo's, no nasty name calling, no cursing or vulgarity

Well that pretty much cuts RyuShiKan off at the knees....:D

[A.R.K.]

http://www.geocities.com/iukfindia/uechiryuhistory.htm

The roots of Uechi Ryu were discovered in the late 1800's in Southern China by Kanbun Uechi It was taught to him by Zho-Zi-He in the Fukien Province. It was then known as Pangainoon Kempo. it means half hard/ half soft fist-way There were only 3 kata. Sanchin,Seisan, and Sanseirui .Kata is a combination of moves done by one person to simulate fighting . The Sanchin kata, although the most basic, is the foundation of Uechi Ryu In 1911, on June 26th, Kanei Uechi was born . He broadened the range of Pangainoon Kempo and in 1940.It was renamed Uechi Ryu Karate Do

http://www.alandollar.com/uechi/hist_kanei.htm

Toward this end Kanei and other senior Uechi ryu practitioners created four new kata between 1954 and 1958. These were to be used as steppingstones between the three kata that Kanbun Uechi brought from China.

http://users.adelphia.net/~axxmann/aboutuechi.html

Master Kanbun Uechi, from Okinawa, traveled to China in 1897 to avoid conscription in the invading (Japanese) army. He spent 10 years studying Pangainoon under Sifu Shushiwa. There are 3 basic forms (kata) that Master Uechi brought from China... Sanchin, Seisan and Sanseiryu

http://members.shaw.ca/wwhitefield/history.html

In February of 1910, Kanbun returned to Izumi and took up life as a peasant farmer. On June 26, 1911, Kanei Uechi, Kanbun’s eldest son was born. Due to economic reasons Kanbun left Okinawa in 1924 for Kansai, Japan and began working in a cotton mill. Here he met Ryuyu Tomoyose, who with great determination convinced Kanbun to teach him Pangainoon. In 1926 Kanbun, with the assistance of Ryuyu, opened a school in the cotton mill complex where he taught portions of three katas (Sanchin, Seisan, and Sanseiryu) as well as forearm conditioning (Kotekitae) to a select group of students.

http://www.angelfire.com/oh/MARKUSWOLFUS/Karate.html

The roots of Uechi Ryu were discovered in the late 1800's in Southern China by Kanbun Uechi (May 5th 1877- February 1991). It was taught to him by Zho-Zi-He (Zo-Zee-Hey)in the Fukien Province. It was then known as Pangainoon Kempo (paun-gay-noon)(and it's kempo, not kenpo). Loosly translated it means half hard/ half soft fist-way. There were only 3 kata. Sanchin, Seisan, and Sanseirui. Kata is a combination of moves done by one person to simulate fighting. The Sanchin kata, although the most basic, is the foundation of Uechi Ryu.

http://www.dragonslist.com/articles/styles/?id=57

This style has 3 forms, they are, Sanchin, Seisan and Sanseiryu. It is said that to understand Sanchin you turn to Seisan, to understand Seisan you turn to Sanseiryu and to understand Sanseiryu you turn to Sanchin. The backbone of this style is Sanchin. This style is based on the movements of the Tiger, The Crane and the Dragon. Uechi-Ryu Karate Do is based on this style.

Just a partial list of what is out there. :asian:

[Disco]

Judges score cards. First round was 10 / 9 on points to Mya.

[A.R.K.]

Well, I'm not worried about scoring points. Ryu is entitled to his viewpoint and he can stand by his research. But he needs to realize that everyone else can hold to their own viewpoint and their research may vary. Respecting others opinions and input is a sign of maturity. In my decades of training in Pangainoon, in all of my research, in all of my contacts with Pangainoon/Uechi practitioners only three katas have ever been discussed.

I don't have a problem with Ryu claiming to have a book that mentions a fourth kata. Nor does it effect what I have learned or in anyway take away from my training. But as I've said, three seems to be the number that is common in every source that I have had the opportunity to be exposed to.

If Ryu wishes to once again go the inuendo/slander route based on 3 vs 4....whatever :rolleyes: He has no firsthand knowledge of me, or my training, or my skill or abilities. And to be honest, I have no use for someone that carries on in this manner. There are three fellow posters here that do know me personally and have stood up for me here. And they have my thanks :)

So if someone who doesn't know me, doesn't know my training or credentials whats to run off at the mouth over one supposed kata :rolleyes:

[Marginal]

Pardon my pet peeve, but...

Innuendo means: an indirect or subtle, usually derogatory implication in expression; an insinuation.

RSK has never been subtle about his commentary.

[moromoro]

is mya ryu jutsu a fake or real martail art is it on of those new or old ones??????

[Disco]

Fellow Martial Artists. my post(s) were/are an attempt to try to defuse a reoccurance of a past conflict that created a problem. I am not trying to enflame, only trying to be humorous. In my estimation, both parties have valid opinions and viewpoints. In all honesty, there is no way (that I am aware of), that the information and statements of history etc. can be verified to the full acceptance of all concerned. In truth, I personally don't have the time or the need to research to validate either party. I perfer to accept each persons integrity. For all parties concerned, remember the saying; "You can't judge a book by it's cover". Both gentlemen give me the impression of being serious practicioners of the Martial Arts and very knowledgeable about lineage. Surely there must/should be a way to so call "bury the hatchet".

There are many, many styles in the world today. I will quote a saying, don't remember who said it originally, "There are no bad Martial Arts, just bad Martial Artists".

With Respect for all.......:asian: :asian:

[arnisador]

I've always heard that there were three original kata brought from China: Sanchin, Seisan and Sanseiryu. Four others were made after the founder's death and one was basically the founder's favorite techniques--I don't know to what extent he made it up and to what extent it was completed after his death from his favorites.

I hadn't heard before that there was a fourth form that he didn't learn but that was nonetheless considered part of the system.

The place to ask is here (http://forums.uechi-ryu.com/index.php).

[moromoro]

i will ask it again is mya Ryu jutsu a new or old martial art?????

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by moromoro
i will ask it again is mya Ryu jutsu a new or old martial art?????

It is a new one that is supposed to “sound” Asian….possibly Japanese……I am guessing.
Although it means nothing in Japanese.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
Whatever :rolleyes:

Sounds like someone pee'd in your wheaties so your looking to rehash old issues.

I didn’t bring it up…….but I believe you did.

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
It has three kata [although Ryu believes the number is four


Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
I have an 8th Dan in Pangainoon. It was awarded by by Sensei in Pangainoon.

Will we ever get to know the name of this mystery sensei?



Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
It is recognized by my current Sensei and several organizations. It is real and valid to me and my peers. It is real and valid to my associates. It is real and valid to the organizations I wish to associate with.

And everyone in prison believes they are innocent.
The organizations you mentioned previously are bogus.
Especially the one that you claim is in Kobe, Japan where one of your ilk is supposed to have sent the paper work for your Soke title.


Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
If you don't like it...I don't care. If you don't recognize it...I don't care.

You obviously do since you write paragraph upon paragraph defending yourself.


Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
You have absolutely no firsthand knowledge about me, therefore any negative remarks or slanders you make are without basis in fact.

All we have to go in is what you say in your posts here.
Which to date have been less than candid about your teachers, your training etc.
In fact all I have seen in the place of any real answers to questions asked of you are evasive answers/comments about your personal life…………
I and others can only judge you on what you put forth here…….

It still curious as to how someone can get an 8th dan in an Okinawan system…….which is a pretty high rank…….and never have been tested by the current head master of the system………..

[moromoro]

It is a new one that is supposed to “sound” Asian….possibly Japanese……I am guessing.

so the soke has ranked himself to tenth dan i guess.....

and is he Japanese?

thanks

terry

[RyuShiKan]

Pangainoon as taught by Shu Shi Wa (Uechi Kanbun’s teacher) does have 4 kata. It was also noted that Uechi Kanbun didn’t have time to learn the “4th” kata for some reason.
Uechi ryu might not………I think they have 6.
Sanseiru, sanchin, sesan, kanchin, kanshiwa, kanshu (also known as dai ni seisan)


As for “book” learning……..I have nothing against learning things from books, some pretty smart people have learned from books. Actually I trust book learnin’ more than Internet learnin’
Since Mark Bishop spent 10 years interviewing, researching and compiling information for his book while actually living and training in Okinawa from some of the most respected Karate men I see no reason why he should just pull the bit of information out of thin air.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by moromoro
so the soke has ranked himself to tenth dan i guess.....

No I think some of his friends gave him that rank.......but who knows......


Originally posted by moromoro
and is he Japanese?


Not that I have noticed. If he is he has a very poor command of his own language.

[moromoro]

HAHAHAHA:rofl: :D

[Master of Blades]

MRJ and RSK,


To be honest I doubt either of you is gonna get what you want here. You've done this ALL before and its not needed. I'm not a mod or anything but I would suggest leaving it here before we really do have another session of MRJ VS RSK (Very funny Disco :lol: ) cuz it really aint worth the hassle :asian:


If on the off chance you dont listen to me then at least make it a good fight *Gets popcorn* :rolleyes:

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Master of Blades
MRJ and RSK,


To be honest I doubt either of you is gonna get what you want here. You've done this ALL before and its not needed. I'm not a mod or anything but I would suggest leaving it here before we really do have another session of MRJ VS RSK (Very funny Disco :lol: ) cuz it really aint worth the hassle :asian:


If on the off chance you dont listen to me then at least make it a good fight *Gets popcorn* :rolleyes:


You're right, Shultz (aka Mya Ryu Jitu) isn’t worth the hassle.

There will sadly always be people in the MA world that lay claim to rank they never earned, from places that don’t exist or are extremely dubious.
And there is nothing I nor anyone else can do about it.
Bogus is as bogus claims I guess.:rolleyes:

On a more positive note it is good that we have people like Mark Bishop, Pat McCarthy, Mike Clarke etc…..that have lived and trained extensively in Japan/Okinawa and have researched/written about what they have discovered.

[DAC..florida]

Not like what I have to say is going to change anyones mind on how they feel about MRJ, But here it is anyway.


I have training in TKD since I was 7 years old, Im not saying this to toot my own horn but I have been to a couple dojo's and trained with different instructors and I can honestly say that I have learned more useful techniques with MRJ than in TKD, I love both styles and Im here to tell you that MRJ knows his stuff and knows how to teach it!
There are many students of MRJ that have different backgrounds and come to our Dojo to become a more well rounded MA's. None of these students or any other student of MRJ have had any complaints and its not because they dont know any better, because many of them have previouse training in other style's.
Our dojo caters to the law enforcement and security personel, we also have many military people and again no complaints, maybe its just me but I think it is really aragent for someone who has never met a person or trained with them to talk smack, I would never disrespect anyone or talk smack about them unless I not only knew that it was true but also had evidence to prove it!


:asian: :asian: :asian: :asian: :asian: :asian: :asian: :asian: :asian:



Thats just my opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
None of these students or any other student of MRJ have had any complaints and its not because they dont know any better, because many of them have previouse training in other style's. Our dojo caters to the law enforcement and security personel, we also have many military people and again no complaints,

Gee I am surrounded by several thousand military personnel all day that study some of the most ridiculous arts ever to come down the Pike…….and they don’t complain either.
Ignorance is bliss I guess……



Originally posted by DAC..florida
maybe its just me but I think it is really aragent for someone who has never met a person or trained with them to talk smack, I would never disrespect anyone or talk smack about them unless I not only knew that it was true but also had evidence to prove it!



I can’t recall ever commenting on his technical skills (which I could careless about ) on this board or any other………I do recall commenting on Mya Ryu Jitu’s use of the Japanese Language which he has no skill in, I do recall commenting on Mya Ryu Jitu’s claims to rank and his refusing to answer where and from whom he got such rank, I do recall commenting on Mya Ryu Jitu’s claim that he studied a style he claimed was alive and well in Okainwa but doesn’t exist.
Mya Ryu Jitu has shown nothing but deception when questioned about where he got his rank and from whom.
If I were to claim an 8th dan in Kyokushin you can bet your sweet bippy there would be people asking me from whom and from which Kyokushin group (there are several now) I got it from.
What makes Mya Ryu Jitu beyond reproach?
If he were to say he got ranked from Kinjo Takashi or Itokazu Seiko (present heads of Pangainoon) in Okinawa I would say great, but since Pangainoon has such a small following outside of Okinawa I am suspicious of anyone claiming EXTREMELY HIGH rank in that art.
This coupled with his less than candid answers make people suspicious of his credentials and therefore make some of his comments lack credibility.

Let’s say I claimed to be a brain surgeon.
You ask me a question about it….I give you page after page of everything but an answer to your question. You ask me where I went to school, again I give you page after page of everything but an answer to your question. Doesn’t lend much confidence as to my knowledge about the subject does it?

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
Gee I am surrounded by several thousand military personnel all day that study some of the most ridiculous arts ever to come down the Pike…….and they don’t complain either.
Ignorance is bliss I guess……





I can’t recall ever commenting on his technical skills (which I could careless about ) on this board or any other………I do recall commenting on Mya Ryu Jitu’s use of the Japanese Language which he has no skill in, I do recall commenting on Mya Ryu Jitu’s claims to rank and his refusing to answer where and from whom he got such rank, I do recall commenting on Mya Ryu Jitu’s claim that he studied a style he claimed was alive and well in Okainwa but doesn’t exist.
Mya Ryu Jitu has shown nothing but deception when questioned about where he got his rank and from whom.
If I were to claim an 8th dan in Kyokushin you can bet your sweet bippy there would be people asking me from whom and from which Kyokushin group (there are several now) I got it from.
What makes Mya Ryu Jitu beyond reproach?
If he were to say he got ranked from Kinjo Takashi or Itokazu Seiko (present heads of Pangainoon) in Okinawa I would say great, but since Pangainoon has such a small following outside of Okinawa I am suspicious of anyone claiming EXTREMELY HIGH rank in that art.
This coupled with his less than candid answers make people suspicious of his credentials and therefore make some of his comments lack credibility.

Let’s say I claimed to be a brain surgeon.
You ask me a question about it….I give you page after page of everything but an answer to your question. You ask me where I went to school, again I give you page after page of everything but an answer to your question. Doesn’t lend much confidence as to my knowledge about the subject does it?




Points taken but maybe like myself he feels he owes no-one proof and also would not like to put his instructors names on a web site filled with people he does not know.:asian:


:goop:

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
and also would not like to put his instructors names on a web site filled with people he does not know.:asian:


:goop:

Which only draws more suspicion.

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
Which only draws more suspicion.




I disagree with you here, I feel that before giving the names of your sesai's you must first ask thier permission and if they wish not to be mentioned in cyber space than you should respect that. :asian:






:goop:

[moromoro]

Points taken but maybe like myself he feels he owes no-one proof and also would not like to put his instructors names on a web site filled with people he does not know

hmmm i wonder why he doesnt want to maybe its a secret order of karate or it could be written on their makimono

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by moromoro
hmmm i wonder why he doesnt want to maybe its a secret order of karate or it could be written on their makimono



Grow up!

[Master of Blades]

Oh come on guys, leave it already! Neither of you are getting anywhere with this cept asking the same old damn questions! :shrug:

[arnisador]

What is the fourth kata of Pangainoon? Do the Okinawan Pangainoon systems teach it?

[A.R.K.]

RyuShiKan,

I think you are an angry man, and I truly feel sorry for you. And I mean that sincerly.

A couple of months ago you thought you were cock-of-the-walk and you let your mouth overload your butt. and what did it buy you? Another suspension. Without provication and without evidence you accused my falsely of something which I had no knowledge of. And it cost you. You even had to humble yourself and publically apologize to me.

And how did I respond to you. Did I kick you while you were down? Did I launch into some tirade against you? Did I dwell on the fact of how you've treated me since day one? No, I humbly accepted your apology, stated I was sorry to see you gone and even mentioned corrospondence via email. I even went so far as to state publically that I have learned from you i.e. the word Soke. Which you know I've learned was incorrect on my part. NOT arrogant...merely wrong in what I thought it meant. You KNOW I extended my hand to you.

When Moromora asked about Pangainoon I stated three kata but gave credit to you for a fourth because I remember you stating this months ago. You took this as a SLAP????? give me a break! I gave you credit for an alternative opinion. There was NOTHING derogatory intended...PERIOD. If you took it this way it is on you. I can't control the tone in which you read content. If I wanted to slam you...I've had opportunity and let it pass.

You wanna ride me about credentials, go ahead. It means something to me and my peers regardless of what it means to you. I've offered nothing but kindness when you were down and out. Go ahead and slander me about something you have no firsthand knowledge of if you must. I've explained more about myself here than most any other poster, if its not enough then so be it. I have no secrets but I also don't have to report everything to you or anyone here in cyberspace.

My wall candy is not who I am. My wall candy is at the bottom of my closet. I rarely wear my belt but when I do it is with hard earned pride. Along with the technical skill I also have teaching skill AND practical application in real life situations. To ME that is the real test.

I'm done with this topic.

Moromoro,

Mya Ryu Jitsu has been around for over a decade. It is a small fish in a big ocean but it is something I have put myself into. It is not Japanese nor am I. Ryu and Jitsu are of course to give honor to my foundational training. Mya is Arabic for water, either calm tranquil water or pounding crashing water. It reflects my training and beliefs.

Have a nice day gentlemen. I'm off to other subjects.

:asian:

[Aegis]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
Mya Ryu Jitsu has been around for over a decade. It is a small fish in a big ocean but it is something I have put myself into. It is not Japanese nor am I. Ryu and Jitsu are of course to give honor to my foundational training. Mya is Arabic for water, either calm tranquil water or pounding crashing water. It reflects my training and beliefs.

So essentially the name is just gibberish?

[Disco]

Mr. MyaRyuJitsu.

Hope I was not a party to the problem. My humor or attempt at it was only meant to bring peace. I feel you have conducted yourself with knowledge and humility. You have stated when your were wrong and when you were right you did not berate in your verbage. Mr. Ryushikan is a very strong willed person and not affraid to speak his mind (reading his posts). I commend him for being of strong principles. I may be way off base here, but I'd be willing to bet that if you gentlemen met and exchanged training styles, you would find you both have a lot in common and more than likely be impressed with each other. Dare I say, become friends. I strive to find the good in people. I wish you both good fortune in your travels within the Martial Arts World.

[A.R.K.]

So essentially the name is just gibberish?

:rolleyes:

No, I have stated it's meaning.

So essentially your just trying to cause strife with idiotic comments?

:rolleyes:

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
:rolleyes:

No, I have stated it's meaning.

So essentially your just trying to cause strife with idiotic comments?

:rolleyes:

What happened to "Other Topics" :rolleyes:

Come on, dont start a big ole' thing on this again.....PULEASE :D

[A.R.K.]

Moromoro,

No, I have never promoted myself :rolleyes: I have gone the route that others before me have taken in formulating a new system. I have sought out peer review of high ranking individuals in various systems. In my case these individuals were Grandmaster James Ray, Grandmaster Yuri Kostrov, Grandmaster Bernde Hoele, Grandmaster Daniel Hayen, Grandmaster Seyed Moghadasi and Grandmaster Mohammed Tienarro. Over a lengthy period they gave me additions, subtractions, opinions and guidance and finally their blessing. They ranked me amoung them. It has been a humbling honor.

Disco,

Thank you for your comments. I know you weren't trying to start anything. As for RyuShiKan, I offered him my hand when he was down. How he choses to respond is entirely up to him.

:asian:

[A.R.K.]

Joseph,

If you don't like it there are plenty of other threads :D

Don't make me give you a 'boot to the groin!' :rofl:

See ya in the chatroom.

David

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
Joseph,

If you don't like it there are plenty of other threads :D

Don't make me give you a 'boot to the groiin! :rofl:

See ya in the chatroom.

David

David,

I'm just like the next guy, I LOVE a good fight, But when I've seen it before I just get a little something called Deja Vu :p

See ya in the chatroom.

Joseph :lol:

[A.R.K.]

I just get a little something called Deja Vu

Didn't you already say that :boing2:

On the house :drinkbeer [non-alcoholic] ;)

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by moromoro
hmmm i wonder why he doesnt want to maybe its a secret order of karate or it could be written on their makimono


An email sent to me by Mya Ryu Jitsu on 4/02/2003

Robert,

If you have the opportunity, would you be able to email me some japanese characters? Specifically looking for the character[s] for water i.e rushing/crashing/fast flowing, something of this nature. Also 'style' such as in ryu [i]Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu

Mya Ryu Jitsu has been around for over a decade. It is a small fish in a big ocean but it is something I have put myself into. It is not Japanese nor am I. Ryu and Jitsu are of course to give honor to my foundational training. Mya is Arabic for water, either calm tranquil water or pounding crashing water. It reflects my training and beliefs.
[/QUOTE]


Ryu could mean any number of things.....jitsu means day or in some cases actually.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
I disagree with you here, I feel that before giving the names of your sesai's you must first ask thier permission and if they wish not to be mentioned in cyber space than you should respect that. :asian:
:goop:

What's the big secret?


Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
Moromoro,

No, I have never promoted myself :rolleyes: I have gone the route that others before me have taken in formulating a new system. I have sought out peer review of high ranking individuals in various systems. In my case these individuals were Grandmaster James Ray, Grandmaster Yuri Kostrov, Grandmaster Bernde Hoele, Grandmaster Daniel Hayen, Grandmaster Seyed Moghadasi and Grandmaster Mohammed Tienarro. Over a lengthy period they gave me additions, subtractions, opinions and guidance and finally their blessing. They ranked me amoung them. It has been a humbling honor.


Maybe I should get a bunch of my MA friends together and we can all recognize each other as “Grandmasters”:rolleyes:

Regarding Mya Ryu Jirsu’s claim to an 8th dan……………the burden of truth has always been on him to prove it.

[A.R.K.]

Believe as you wish :rolleyes:

And you never replied....

O'well we found some on our own :)

P.S. for Disco, I think you have your answer now. :cool:

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
Believe as you wish :rolleyes:

And you never replied....

Help you make your art sound more legit………I think not.

[A.R.K.]

What's the big secret?

It's not a secret at all. Many here know the names of the men who granted me such an honor. Who accepted me into their honored ranks. They were not my friends , they were my betters and still are. Many people know them....just not you.

I don't like your disrespectful attitude. I don't like your holier-than-thou attitutude. I don't like your narrow minded attitutude. I think you are an angry man trying to stir up strife where none exists. I think you are a man who enjoys spreading unsubstantiated allegations in order to make himself look superior. I think you harbour anger in a very unhealthy way and it will be your undoing. What would you care who has what rank? You wouldn't recognized their names anyway. It doesn't effect you in any way, shape or form. If those whom I associate are satisfied as to my experience why would it matter to you? If my students are satisfied as to my credentials and teaching experience, why should you care? You carry on such about things that you cannot prove or disprove that don't effect you in the first place. That is...well it's just sad.

All you have is hate and anger and no facts to back up any allegations. You refuse courtesy and an offered hand. Your loss.

[A.R.K.]

Help you make your art sound more legit………I think not.

No, help a fellow martial artist research an area. The credibility is already their by men with more years and training than either of us. Your loss.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
It's not a secret at all. Many here know the names of the men who granted me such an honor. Who accepted me into their honored ranks. They were not my friends , they were my betters and still are. Many people know them....just not you.

I don't like your disrespectful attitude. I don't like your holier-than-thou attitutude. I don't like your narrow minded attitutude. I think you are an angry man trying to stir up strife where none exists. I think you are a man who enjoys spreading unsubstantiated allegations in order to make himself look superior. I think you harbour anger in a very unhealthy way and it will be your undoing. What would you care who has what rank? You wouldn't recognized their names anyway. It doesn't effect you in any way, shape or form. If those whom I associate are satisfied as to my experience why would it matter to you? If my students are satisfied as to my credentials and teaching experience, why should you care? You carry on such about things that you cannot prove or disprove that don't effect you in the first place. That is...well it's just sad.

All you have is hate and anger and no facts to back up any allegations. You refuse courtesy and an offered hand. Your loss.


YAWN........same song and dance. Try to profile me as someone who is angry or has an axe to grind.
People that make claims to high rank and then refuse to say from whom and where the received such rank draw suspicion to themselves by doing.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
No, help a fellow martial artist research an area. The credibility is already their by men with more years and training than either of us. Your loss.

Something I will no doubt regret for the rest of my life.:rolleyes:

[KennethKu]

Mr. RyuShiKan,

For what it's worth, you have my respect and appreciation for your contribution to this forum. Bravo! Keep up the good work! We need real man with guts and integrity, such as you, Sir. Too many people just do not have the guts NOR the knowledge, to bust a fake. You are a good man. :asian:

Kenneth Ku

[A.R.K.]

Too many people just do not have the guts NOR the knowledge, to bust a fake.

Probably becasue they don't have any proof or evidence. Just not liking an individual doesn't constitute proof. Making unsubstantiated allegations over and over and over doesn't constitutute proof. Just an obsession :shrug: O'well, you all worry about it. It doesn't change anything. Just takes up space.

Ryu,

According to the mods, if you have proof then post it. If you don't take it to email instead of beating a dead horse. Otherwise you'll get suspended again and cry that I 'set you up' :rolleyes:

[Aegis]

Originally posted by Mya Ryu Jitsu
:rolleyes:

No, I have stated it's meaning.

So essentially your just trying to cause strife with idiotic comments?

:rolleyes:

I'd like to show you the meaning of the word "Gibberish":



gib·ber·ish
n.
1. Unintelligible or nonsensical talk or writing.

2. Highly technical or esoteric language.

3. Unnecessarily pretentious or vague language.


I think most here would agree that randomly placing 3 words together, 1 of which is from an entirely different language, would be considered to be nonsensical. So, my comment is not idiotic at all, I'm just trying to work out why you would choose a nonsensical name for your art.

[A.R.K.]

I thought about Pangainoon Jitsu.....

[A.R.K.]

I spoke with my assistants and we just like Mya Ryu Jitsu, so we'll stick with that. It has some special meaning to us. I appreciate your input in the chat room though :) I like bridging two different languages. It is reflective of our roots and is meant to lend honor to them. Take care :asian:

[chufeng]

MRJ,

I don't really care what you call your art...but this still boils down to NOT knowing how to use the foreign language(s) you are using in naming your system.

A martial system becomes a Ryu after several generations of teachers...it has to withstand the test of time...

Your art is a decade-plus old; how many generations of teachers have you produced?

I completely understand RSK's concern regarding rank, etc.

I also understand that you have developed your own system (which is your right)...you've named it...and now it is a matter of time to see if it holds up...

Don't you think you could end this bickering by simply answering the question: Who promoted you to eighth dan in Pangainoon?

If you don't intend on answering that question, then don't bother responding at all...I don't need to read another page of "I don't have to prove or justify, etc."
...and didn't you answer this once before? If so, why be secretive about it now?

I'll be quiet, now.

:asian:
chufeng

[A.R.K.]

Chufeng,

I appreciate your input :) But we've really grown to like the name and I think we are going to stick with it. We spent some time looking at several. I tossed it around with my assistants as well as those I look to for advice. They really liked the name as well, particuarly those Arabic Grandmasters with which I have been priveleged to become associated with. They understand our intend with the name. It is their input that was the deciding factor. If some don't care for it, well it's difficult to please everyone.

Take care :asian:

[arnisador]

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