View Full Version : Why Dos Everyone Mouth Off On Sport Martial Arts
J-kid
10-15-2002, 03:58 AM
I have noticed over my Martial art experience that alot of people mouth off at the sport aspect of Martial arts. DID anyone ever think there maybe a reason behind this. Its because the ones with sport are offen the most effective , I mean true there are some rules but all the same you can train for inside and outside the ring. You never see Kung fu guys going at it in compitition because uhh maybe kung fu isnt what it could be? The sport aspect Is a way for people to work on there skill without killing someone. SPORT MARTIAL ARTS IS PROBLE MORE DEADLY IN ALOT OF CASES THEN NON - SPORT MARTIAL ARTS> thats just my 2 cents.
J-kid
10-15-2002, 03:59 AM
my mistake was not intended to affend anyone just using a example./:D
Phil Elmore
10-15-2002, 06:22 AM
There are no Kung Fu competitions? (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Kung+Fu+competition)
The "sport" aspect of martial arts is looked down on because "sport" generally teaches one habits (such as point fighting) that don't help with actual self-defense.
That said, there are things that sport systems and combat systems can learn from each other. Coach Scott Sonnon spoke on the matter in a videotape I watched not long ago (http://www.philelmore.com/martial/flowfighting.htm); he pointed out that sport systems offer combat systems trial against an uncooperative partner, which is very important to improving one's efficacy as a fighter.
fist of fury
10-15-2002, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by Judo-kid
Its because the ones with sport are offen the most effective . SPORT MARTIAL ARTS IS PROBLE MORE DEADLY IN ALOT OF CASES THEN NON - SPORT MARTIAL ARTS> thats just my 2 cents.
Because of statements like that.
You never see Kung fu guys going at it in compitition because uhh
maybe kung fu isnt what it could be?
Training for sport is different than training for the street.
The sport aspect Is a way for people to work on there skill without killing someone
Funny i work on my skill daily and never kill anyone. I have no doubt that I can use my basics in the street.
GouRonin
10-15-2002, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by fist of fury
Funny i work on my skill daily and never kill anyone.
There are people I would like to kill on a daily basis but luckily I have a support network of friends, family, and co-workers that stop me.
:rolleyes:
Oy vey, this old subject again! And this time, posted by our favorite
little boy, Judo Kid. And it's always the same question ...
"hey! Why do you guys not study the stuff I study, when the
stuff you study sucks so bad?":rolleyes: "I mean why aren't
you aware of how awesome I am! VALIDATE ME! VALIDATE
ME! VALIDATE ME!:( " . Basically the formula is: Tell others how
superior your art is or how inferior their art is 2) Give the ever
popular disclaimer "I don't mean to insult/hurt feelings/flame
anyone. When lets be honest ... YES YOU DO. You can't come in
and insult people and then say "not intended to affend anyone ".
Cause that makes you not only rude, it makes you a
liar. But hey, Judo Kid, I don't wanna "affend" you.
Well to answer the question, yet again, no one is "mouthing off"
about sport ma, mma, pankration, ufc fighting, word of the month
for it. You study your art, I study mine. We have our own
reasons for doing so.
GouRonin
10-15-2002, 09:22 AM
Kenpo sux.
AH ha ha ha ha ha!
Just kidding. I don't want to affend you.
:rolleyes:
7starmantis
10-15-2002, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Kirk
Oy vey, this old subject again! And this time, posted by our favorite
little boy, Judo Kid. And it's always the same question ...
"hey! Why do you guys not study the stuff I study, when the
stuff you study sucks so bad?":rolleyes: "I mean why aren't
you aware of how awesome I am! VALIDATE ME! VALIDATE
ME! VALIDATE ME!:( " . Basically the formula is: Tell others how
superior your art is or how inferior their art is 2) Give the ever
popular disclaimer "I don't mean to insult/hurt feelings/flame
anyone. When lets be honest ... YES YOU DO. You can't come in
and insult people and then say "not intended to affend anyone ".
Cause that makes you not only rude, it makes you a
liar. But hey, Judo Kid, I don't wanna "affend" you.
Well to answer the question, yet again, no one is "mouthing off"
about sport ma, mma, pankration, ufc fighting, word of the month
for it. You study your art, I study mine. We have our own
reasons for doing so.
I think I actually agree with you here Kirk!! Don't let that go to your head though!!:D
7sm
J-kid
10-15-2002, 11:29 AM
Heh like always. I always seem to piss off people that have narrow views (looks at himself as well) and as always i get some crap. Ok here is the thing i am not stating that any art sucked like i noted i just needed some art to pick on and was just messing around with the kung fu statment. Now when i mean sport i kind of ment like boxing ufc things with full contact. People always say they wont work in fights? why is this because people dont bite the other person. I am sure when it comes down to it people who general fight to take full contact will do better then people who do not. Hey and kirk call me a boy look at a mirrow/ LOL:D
7starmantis
10-15-2002, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Judo-kid
Heh like always. I always seem to piss off people that have narrow views (looks at himself as well) and as always i get some crap. Ok here is the thing i am not stating that any art sucked like i noted i just needed some art to pick on and was just messing around with the kung fu statment. Now when i mean sport i kind of ment like boxing ufc things with full contact. People always say they wont work in fights? why is this because people dont bite the other person. I am sure when it comes down to it people who general fight to take full contact will do better then people who do not. Hey and kirk call me a boy look at a mirrow/ LOL:D
I could write pages of validating statements on how Kung Fu does train hard, and how this art doesn't suck, and that art is good, but thats not what this is all about is it? I don't think I've actually heard anyone saying UFC sucks or anything close to that. Maybe this should have gone in the MMA section we now have?
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Kenpo_student
10-15-2002, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Judo-kid
. SPORT MARTIAL ARTS IS PROBLEY MORE DEADLY IN ALOT OF CASES THEN NON - SPORT MARTIAL ARTS
Ever heard of Taekwon do? :rofl:
In the old day's a Martial Artist
could claim ther style to be as deadly
as war it self.
When event's like the UFC came out it
called there bluff.
UFC & other events created a proving ground
for Martial Arts.
As we saw most could not ( stand ) up to the test.
Now all dojo's have rules.
We can't just kick the crap out of our
traing partnes just to make sure our techniques work.
So no matter what style U do there will always be ruels.
In the streets there are no ruels.
While this is a fact.
The Martial Artist who is use to conflict
will be best pre parid.
If u only train with a a person in a set
patern.
U will not be prepared for an anorthadox attack.
7starmantis
10-15-2002, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by ace
In the old day's a Martial Artist
could claim ther style to be as deadly
as war it self.
When event's like the UFC came out it
called there bluff.
UFC & other events created a proving ground
for Martial Arts.
As we saw most could not ( stand ) up to the test.
Now all dojo's have rules.
We can't just kick the crap out of our
traing partnes just to make sure our techniques work.
So no matter what style U do there will always be ruels.
In the streets there are no ruels.
While this is a fact.
The Martial Artist who is use to conflict
will be best pre parid.
If u only train with a a person in a set
patern.
U will not be prepared for an anorthadox attack.
And UFC has no rules at all right ?
But the Dojo has moer! ( FACT )
7starmantis
10-15-2002, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by ace
In the old day's a Martial Artist
could claim ther style to be as deadly
as war it self.
When event's like the UFC came out it
called there bluff.
UFC & other events created a proving ground
for Martial Arts.
As we saw most could not ( stand ) up to the test.
Now all dojo's have rules.
We can't just kick the crap out of our
traing partnes just to make sure our techniques work.
So no matter what style U do there will always be ruels.
In the streets there are no ruels.
While this is a fact.
The Martial Artist who is use to conflict
will be best pre parid.
If u only train with a a person in a set
patern.
U will not be prepared for an anorthadox attack.
But the Dojo has moer! ( FACT )
Thats true, but you saying with rules you cannot truly learn to fight, but your training miracle that allows you to learn to fight also uses rules.
In my school with my system when we spar, there are actually very few rules, just don't break anything and your pretty good. A friend of mine got kicked in the stomach, resulting in spewing his cookies, then the next match kicked in the "boys" also resulting in said spewing. He was wishing for some rules after that!!
7sm
is All events have rules.
If U want to beable to fight
U have to be well rounded ( Fact )
I have done some Stick fighting, Ju Jitsu , Submisson Grappling
Wrestling & MMA.
All are diferent all have rules.
Damian Mavis
10-15-2002, 02:01 PM
"Ever heard of Taekwon do?"
If one more ignorant Kenpo fool opens his mouth... do you guys sit around and bash other arts all day or do you actually train?! Because every Kenpo student I hear talking says the same lines and I'm thinking that instead of teaching you guys how to fight they just spew forth propaganda to make themselves look/feel better about themselves.
Damian Mavis
Honour TKD
Phil Elmore
10-15-2002, 02:08 PM
Tae Kwon Do has something of a bad reputation (not just among Kempo practitioners) because there is so much of it. An art that popular is bound to have among its ranks many poor examples -- a number proportionate to the art's representation in society.
I have a coworker who trained for several years in TKD, and I underestimated him as a result. Like any art, it all depends on how good your teacher is. On the few opportunities I've had to spar with my coworker, he's proven himself to be extremely skilled -- and the "brand" of TKD he studied is fairly well-rounded.
Kenpo_student
10-15-2002, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Damian Mavis
"Ever heard of Taekwon do?"
If one more ignorant Kenpo fool opens his mouth... do you guys sit around and bash other arts all day or do you actually train?! Because every Kenpo student I hear talking says the same lines and I'm thinking that instead of teaching you guys how to fight they just spew forth propaganda to make themselves look/feel better about themselves.
Damian Mavis
Honour TKD
Take it easy buddy. In my experiences with TKD guys they don't spar correctly (they head hunt instead of attacking the opponents entire body). They are frequently offbalance because of said high kicking. And when you get inside on them they have no abilities with their hands. If this doesn't sound like you then my apologies but from what I have seen that would make you the exception and not the rule.
fist of fury
10-15-2002, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by ace
In the old day's a Martial Artist
could claim ther style to be as deadly
as war it self.
When event's like the UFC came out it
called there bluff. As we saw most could not ( stand ) up to the test.
You're right thier point sparring served no purpose in the ring.
UFC & other events created a proving ground
for Martial Arts.
BUt it still doesn't make mma any better
Now all dojo's have rules.
We can't just kick the crap out of our
traing partnes just to make sure our techniques work.
so does any real M.A school you don't have to go to an mma school for that.
So no matter what style U do there will always be ruels.
In the streets there are no ruels.
While this is a fact.
The Martial Artist who is use to conflict
will be best pre parid.
again this falls back on your instructor and school. People like you give real mma'ers a bad rep.
If u only train with a a person in a set
patern.
U will not be prepared for an anorthadox attack.
kind of like bad boxers who use a predictable rythym.
Damian Mavis
10-15-2002, 02:15 PM
No, my whole point was that Kenpo guys talk smack about TKD the most. Everybody else is smart/polite enough to not say much on this forum but Kenpo guys seem to have no respect for anything.
I've kicked the crap out of every kenpo/karate guy I've gone against, do I judge and assume all Kenpo is bad everywere or do I make the intellectual leap that maybe my opponents just plain sucked?
Damian Mavis
Honour TKD
ace - In the 'old days' traditional martial arts were used for actual fighting.
Everybody else -
I've often been doing ground work and though, "hmm, I could squeeze his knackers or bite his neck".
This means one thing and one thing only. If you are training sport fighting for the street, you will have to limit the moves you use, and you will probably be losing at the sport.
My brother was sparring semi contact, in a 'street art', when his partner layed into him way too heavy. My brother hit a bit harder and broke his partners rib.
This means something too. Training in street effective arts is more dangerous, the harder you train. Rules might keep you safer, and keep you training more often. You are left with the difficult choice if pulling your punches or hurting your sparring partner.
This is one of the greatest difficulties in training, and takes great thought and effort to get around.
Finally -
So, sport fighters beat non-sport fighters in the ring. What a surprise!
And nobody knows who wins outside the ring. Not surprising either.
In the end it doesn't matter. We all choose our own path for the better or for the worse. But the more you p*ss off people by ranting about your own art, the less information you will have when it comes to making an informed decision about the way you train. So ask neutral questions, instead of making claims about how great you are. Only i your IQ allows you to, that is.
Originally posted by ace
If U want to beable to fight
U have to be well rounded ( Fact )
Funny .. the only fact brought up by MMA'ers
is something said by Royce Gracie. Just because
he said it, doesn't make it fact. I also find it
interesting how MMAers incessantly and obsessively
bring up their little "fact" about how 90 something
percent of fights go to the ground. So sayeth
Royce, so sayeth the flock! The funny thing is,
he ALSO said that going to the ground is death
if multiple attackers are involved ... yet why is it
that MMA'ers must constantly be reminded of this
"fact" ???? Is it that they can only remember one
factoid at a time???? :confused:
Being well rounded doesn't only mean train in
numerous arts. It also means being smart, and
having the ability to learn, plot, plan, strategize.
Yet MMAers won't bring this up will they? If they
have so far in this forum, the spelling was so bad,
I wouldn't have been able to read it.
fist of fury
10-15-2002, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by ace
is All events have rules.
If U want to beable to fight
U have to be well rounded ( Fact )
I have done some Stick fighting, Ju Jitsu , Submisson Grappling
Wrestling & MMA.
All are diferent all have rules.
Yes you have to be a well rounded fighter but you should have a good foundation with a base art. Someone with a good solid base art as a foundation who goes out later to improve his skill will be much more dangerous than someone who trains half @ssed in several arts.
7starmantis
10-15-2002, 02:19 PM
Yes, I would think to become well rounded you would want to obsorb as much information from "elder" MAIst than yourself. That is not going to happen pissing them off saying their art is not valid. Acceptance is the key to becoming "well rounded" in my book.
7sm
fist of fury
10-15-2002, 02:23 PM
They should modify the rings for these events:
Concrete floors
10 sec floor limit if your there more than that you get jumped by additonal attackers.
sprinkle the floor with gravel and broken glass
And make the ring smaller
tarabos
10-15-2002, 02:24 PM
I think a better question is why do all these stupid, repetitive threads get so much attention?
Why does everyone mouth off on sport martial arts? the simple answer is:
THEY DON'T
and it should have been left at that instead of everyone going off and attacking each other on the internet of all places.
and to all the TKD people. you've got a right to get pissed every once and a while. people need to stop trying to make themselves seem big by bashing an art that they probably don't know all that much about. just mind your own business.
and Judo Kid/Judo_kid/Judo-Kid, whatever the hell you want to call yourself, grow up...before you get banned for about the fifth time now.
Kenpo_student
10-15-2002, 02:26 PM
I am sure there is good tkd out there and I am sure there are tkd practiotioner that are better martial artists than myself. I give tkd a hard time because of the reasons I stated above and the fact that for every tkd guy like yourself that trains hard and takes his art seriously there is a Mcdojo on the corner giving a tkd black belt to a 5 year old. I have yet to meet a black belt in any other art besides tkd who hasn't earned it with blood and sweat( though I am sure they exist). So my argument doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that we kenpoist's have been programmed to despise tkd. It is my feeling that the Koreans have compromised the integrity of martial arts by putting belts up for sale. :soapbox:
Sorry if I offended you.:asian:
Damian Mavis
10-15-2002, 02:26 PM
Tarabos, That's one fierce looking kitty!
Kenpostudent, basically I would just like to see it stop getting brought up by Kenpo guys, let the kungfu guys get their shots in too! Seriously though, I know all about the McDojo's and agree but ya I would just like to see someone other than a Kenpo person criticise TKD for awhile heh.
Damian Mavis
Honour TKD
In the old Days were was ther actual fighting
Other then War.
Now i train to fight it's what i do.
Sport Fighting is good.
I respect all Martial Arts.
7starmantis
10-15-2002, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by ace
In the old Days were was ther actual fighting
Other then War.
Now i train to fight it's what i do.
Sport Fighting is good.
I respect all Martial Arts.
You don't believe that "in the old days" people were perfect and no one ever got mugged or jumped, or anything like that do you? There were the same threats as today, just different.
Its like you chant this montra of MMA in order to save you from hearing what everyone else is saying. We are not attacking MMA or your blessed UFC, just saying this argument is moot nad old at that.
7sm
tarabos
10-15-2002, 02:41 PM
I'm a kenpo guy myself, and i can say honestly that there's getting to be just as many Kenpo "mcdojos" as there are TKD ones.
Just the way it is. just as there are some boxing gyms that aren't so hot. who's fault is it? who cares?
Damian: my kitty used to look normal, then he saw there was another "this style sucks/i hate mcdojos/i'm the best" threads and he got all fired up.
7starmantis
10-15-2002, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by tarabos
I'm a kenpo guy myself, and i can say honestly that there's getting to be just as many Kenpo "mcdojos" as there are TKD ones.
Just the way it is. just as there are some boxing gyms that aren't so hot. who's fault is it? who cares?
Damian: my kitty used to look normal, then he saw there was another "this style sucks/i hate mcdojos/i'm the best" threads and he got all fired up.
HEY, I recognize that kitty!!
ROAR, I hate flamewars, ROAR
tarabos
10-15-2002, 02:59 PM
then that shall be the kitty's name...FLAMEY...the flamewar hating kitty...
7starmantis
10-15-2002, 03:56 PM
LOL, sweet! He looks like Cliff Yablonski's kitty, thats where I got that. :D
Ever seen that site? Cliff's Site (http://www.somethingawful.com/cliff/ihateyou/)
Its horribly funny. Not for the light hearted though.
7sm
And i Like Pride better than the UFC.:D
In the old Day's Before the UFC.
A Martial Arts instucter could
This & That & no 1 questioned it.
Secret
Hidden
Instrctional
Techniques
I saw this alot.
They could prmote there art as the deadlyist
Art this side of the Globe.
Now a day's people are much wiser.
They want truth.
They want what works.
Or they Want Cardio Kick Boxing.
Cross Traing is the way to go.
This is my belife
I stand By it.
And just cause a Martial Artist
Does Sport Fighting does not mean
He/She canot throw on
the jeans , sneakers & a Tshirt.
Then get down & dirty
Street fighting leads to trouble. ( Fact )
7starmantis
10-15-2002, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by ace
And i Like Pride better than the UFC.:D
In the old Day's Before the UFC.
A Martial Arts instucter could
This & That & no 1 questioned it.
Secret
Hidden
Instrctional
Techniques
I saw this alot.
You saw this in the "old days" ? You are 20 something years old, what old days? I don't think there was ever a time where I didn't question everything.
7sm
fist of fury
10-15-2002, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by ace
[B]
In the old Day's Before the UFC.
A Martial Arts instucter could
This & That & no 1 questioned it.
Secret
Hidden
Instrctional
Techniques
I saw this alot.
They could prmote there art as the deadlyist
Art this side of the Globe.
I hate to burst your bubble it still happens, except now they use the UFC for that purpose. Now it's MT,MMA,BJJ that are deadlist arts this side of the globe.
Now a day's people are much wiser.
They want truth.
They want what works.
not they aren't there still just as many money making mcdojo's as there were before.
Cross Traing is the way to go.
this is nothing new. Why do you think there are so many MA styles? crosstraining and experimentation
And just cause a Martial Artist
Does Sport Fighting does not mean
He/She canot throw on
the jeans , sneakers & a Tshirt.
Then get down & dirty
And just because someone doesn't cross train doesn't mean he/she cannot fight.
tarabos
10-15-2002, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by 7starmantis
LOL, sweet! He looks like Cliff Yablonski's kitty, thats where I got that. :D
Ever seen that site? Cliff's Site (http://www.somethingawful.com/cliff/ihateyou/)
Its horribly funny. Not for the light hearted though.
7sm
man...that is funny...
am i wrong or do i recognize that face from the sherdog forums...?
EDIT: i looked at that site a little more whole-heartedly and now tears are running from my eyes from laughing so hard. I'm just scared that a picture of me will pop up on one of those pages...
GouRonin
10-15-2002, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by Kenpo_student
It is my feeling that the Koreans have compromised the integrity of martial arts by putting belts up for sale.
Kinda like American Kenpo has started to do?
Oops...was that my "out-loud" voice?
:rolleyes:
Gawd we're all a wrangy bunch this week ain't we?
:shrug:
tarabos
10-15-2002, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by GouRonin
Kinda like American Kenpo has started to do?
Oops...was that my "out-loud" voice?
:rolleyes:
started? where have you been? maybe you were just being nice...:D
Angus
10-15-2002, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Kenpo_student
It is my feeling that the Koreans have compromised the integrity of martial arts by putting belts up for sale.
Nails...on...chalkboard...:mad:
Don't you think it's a WEE bit general to say the KOREANS are at fault for this?
Rich Parsons
10-15-2002, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by GouRonin
There are people I would like to kill on a daily basis but luckily I have a support network of friends, family, and co-workers that stop me.
:rolleyes:
Gou,
I am here for you, for I know some day I will need your help also.
Mina-san, (* Translated as Respect to all *)
I beleive that people train for one of three reasons at first. They then stay in Martial Arts for a lifetime one reason only. The three reasns why people join a martial art:
1) Self Defense, they were beat up or scared by someone and now want to learn how to defend themselves.
2) Exercise - The join for the exercise or for the Sport aspect of the art.
3) TO learn how to fight. Insert reason why here.
They Stay because they love the art. Now for Boxers who get in the ring every day it is because of the fight. For those who are into the sport stay for the fitness and exercies and love of executing their art. And finally for those that started for Self defene stay to learn more to defend themselves, ot to help others learn to defend themselves.
Now, you can join for mulitlple of these reasons and exhibit traits from all categories.
Remember all arts have bozo's and some great figters have never trained a day in an official atmosphere, just on the street. It is the person not the art or the technique.
Just MY Opinion - I could be wrong but I think . . . :D
Rich
J-kid
10-15-2002, 09:38 PM
I think Tarabos your making kenpo people look bad . Its one thing to disagree but to insult me without much of a reason. I hate to say this but your giving me a bad inpression of kenpo.
Any how i think we are getting off subject . What i was saying was the experience you gain from doing the contact sports aspect would inprove your fighting chances alot. Wouldnt you think so?
Originally posted by Judo-kid
I think Tarabos your making kenpo people look bad . Its one thing to disagree but to insult me without much of a reason. I hate to say this but your giving me a bad inpression of kenpo.
I would never assume to speak for the entire kenpo community,
but as a kenpoist ... SO?
Originally posted by Judo-kid
What i was saying was the experience you gain from doing the contact sports aspect would inprove your fighting chances alot.
No you weren't. Go back and read the subject that YOU
posted.
GouRonin
10-15-2002, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by tarabos
started? where have you been? maybe you were just being nice...:D
Ha ha ha! Oh man, Tarabos, you almost made me pee myself laughing. Thanx!
:D
GouRonin
10-15-2002, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by Rich Parsons
Mina-san, (* Translated as Respect to all *)
I beleive that people train for one of three reasons at first. They then stay in Martial Arts for a lifetime one reason only. The three reasns why people join a martial art:
1) Self Defense, they were beat up or scared by someone and now want to learn how to defend themselves.
2) Exercise - The join for the exercise or for the Sport aspect of the art.
3) TO learn how to fight. Insert reason why here.
They Stay because they love the art. Now for Boxers who get in the ring every day it is because of the fight. For those who are into the sport stay for the fitness and exercies and love of executing their art. And finally for those that started for Self defene stay to learn more to defend themselves, ot to help others learn to defend themselves.
Now, you can join for mulitlple of these reasons and exhibit traits from all categories.
Remember all arts have bozo's and some great figters have never trained a day in an official atmosphere, just on the street. It is the person not the art or the technique.
Just MY Opinion - I could be wrong
As usual Rich, much of what you say is very wise.
:asian:
Nightingale
10-16-2002, 01:56 AM
I know there are some really good TKD folks out there. however, the majority in my area couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. When I moved here, I went to every single martial arts studio within 20 miles looking for somewhere to train. I evaluated them by this criteria:
will what they're teaching me help me in defending myself?
do their students of the same rank look like they could challenge me?
do they NOT have seven year old black belts running around?
Not a single TKD school in a 20 mile radius passed the test. Most failed only one or two questions, but some failed all three. I was told that their techniques were "too deadly" and therefore could only be practiced in the air, never ever on another human. It was difficult to find out if their students could challenge me, because their students only do stuff in the air... it looks cool, but does it work? and most of em had people who got black belts in less than a year, most of whom were under the age of ten.
I don't have a problem with TKD. I have a problem with the people that take an art that works and make it into a joke.
tarabos
10-16-2002, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Judo-kid
I think Tarabos your making kenpo people look bad . Its one thing to disagree but to insult me without much of a reason. I hate to say this but your giving me a bad inpression of kenpo.
Any how i think we are getting off subject . What i was saying was the experience you gain from doing the contact sports aspect would inprove your fighting chances alot. Wouldnt you think so?
i don't think you had much respect for kenpo or any other art besides the ones you take part in before i said anything. and kirk pretty much summed up the feelings of kenpo people. most of them don't even bother with crap like this, and they're better than me for it.
maybe you'd like to continue this conversation in a few months so you can have some time to get a better grasp of the english language...
J-kid
10-16-2002, 09:51 AM
Wow nice low blow Tarabos you proble learn that in your kenpo class tonight whats next your mama jokes? Hey Tarabos you seem younger then me. So what my english grammer isnt the best. DEAL WITH IT>your not the first Kenpo guy who has talked crap to me so i have learned to except that you guys must do that instead of fighting. I guess not everyone is a jerk in kenpo i would like to think thats inpossible. Prove me wrong:mad:
Idaten
10-16-2002, 09:54 AM
All this squabbling about styles is pointless. It has been said that to achieve true mastery of the Martial Arts, you must have "no-stlye" You are only a Martial Artist. Not a "Kenpo man" Not a "Kung Fu Man" etc. You must have a deep respect for all of the styles.
Personally though, I tend to look down on things like UFC. Not because of the skill involved or anything of the sort. Those people are fighting machines, make no mistake. However, I study Japan and its roots. The tradition, the discipline, the very roots of the culture that fostered the Martial Arts of today. I believe that many stlyes and people are losing the tradition. Some people don't even wear Gi's any longer. I believe that to truly understand the Arts. We must get back to its roots.
J-kid
10-16-2002, 10:00 AM
I am willing to call a truce if trarbos wants to?:eek:
Originally posted by Judo-kid
Wow nice low blow Tarabos you proble learn that in your kenpo class tonight whats next your mama jokes? Hey Tarabos you seem younger then me. So what my english grammer isnt the best. DEAL WITH IT>your not the first Kenpo guy who has talked crap to me so i have learned to except that you guys must do that instead of fighting. I guess not everyone is a jerk in kenpo i would like to think thats inpossible. Prove me wrong:mad:
Are you trying to just want to come on here and talk about how
other styles suck, with no one saying anything back? You do it
A LOT J.K. Now you're trying the old "you're giving your style a
bad name" routine. Well not only do you give teens a bad name,
you're just jumping on the bandwagon of YOUR style. You give
MMA a bad name, and you give your Judo coach a bad name. I
believe that the crap you're spouting off about was told to you
by your Judo coach. He must have very little respect for other
people, and for other arts. Or he'd have shut your mouth by now.
You're the one who initiated this post (Initiated means started).
And you go on and on and on all the freakin time about how
great of a fighter you are, how the UFC is sooooooo close to real
fighting, and how other styles with traditions are just soooooooo
terrible. YOU GIVE MMA A BAD NAME. You Judo Boy, make MMA
look like crap to me. I'd just as soon never study martial arts
again, if my choice was limited to the various typical MMA styles,
because if I had to work out with people like you ... who I am
assuming are all over in MMA circles (I bet they're filled with
nothing but people like you and your attitude and intellingence
level) ... I would just be sick sick sick, every day.
tarabos
10-16-2002, 10:28 AM
man...look at all this nonsense. this is why these types of threads should just be locked immediatley. nothing productive is going to come out of this, just people arguing and others trying to mediate. the only thing good that came out of it was 7starmantis telling me about that hilarious site.
see you all in the next thread.
Idaten
10-16-2002, 10:56 AM
I agree, all that's being accomplished is alienating eachother's styles
I'm not alienating styles, I have an open mind, and a general
interest in M.A. I was just trying to make a point. Judo-Kid is
the one bringing up this subject, and then when someone
disagrees with him, he tries a childish routine of telling someone
"you represent everyone in your art". When he was the one
initially being abrasive. You can't judge an art by one guy's
attitude, that's just ... ... dumb! There's no other word to
describe it.
I do feel that a lot of MMAers come in here looking to stir things
up. There's been quite a few posts before Judo Kid, and I'm sure
there'll be a lot more after (including more from Judo Kid I'm sure).
But if I bump into someone that is training for UFC, or just in
multiple styles for street defense, then I'd offer to buy him a cup
of coffee. I'm not going to tell preassume that he's going to start
talking trash, just because of the number of MMAers that like to
do it online.
Idaten
10-16-2002, 11:08 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm with you. Judo Kid was being an *******.
And as I said with before, I have respect for UFC practioners. Did you read my other posts?
Idaten, I wasn't attacking anything you had to say, I was just
trying to clarify the perspective I was bringing to the table.
Many respects! :asian:
Kirk
But if I bump into someone that is training for UFC, or just in
multiple styles for street defense, then I'd offer to buy him a cup
of coffee.
Bod thinks: Hmm, I could do with a cup of coffee...
Hey Kirk, did I ever mention that I'm training for UFC?
Originally posted by Bod
Bod thinks: Hmm, I could do with a cup of coffee...
Hey Kirk, did I ever mention that I'm training for UFC?
ROFL!!! That'd be one expensive cup of coffee!!!!!!!!!
:confused:
Ooo, wait! I did pre-qualify it .. ya gotta bump into me
:D
:cheers:
7starmantis
10-16-2002, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by tarabos
man...look at all this nonsense. this is why these types of threads should just be locked immediatley. nothing productive is going to come out of this, just people arguing and others trying to mediate. the only thing good that came out of it was 7starmantis telling me about that hilarious site.
see you all in the next thread.
I'm starting to agree with tarabos here, it seems all these threads are doing is starting "flame wars" about which style is better than that style. I'm not saying I haven't gotten drug in myself, but we really need to watch out for it, because it really gives a bad image of Martial Artists in general and us on this board.
:rofl: That site is pretty damn funny isn't it!!!
7sm
J-kid
10-16-2002, 09:19 PM
Hey kirk screw you dude i dont care if i get kicked off this website no one talks about me that way. GO to hell dude / Talking about *******s. Your one to speak you sent me a letter in my in box telling me if i am ever in texas you will kick my ass. Well come up to Washington and stop by kent see what happens i dare you , Ill take my metal base ball bat and mix it up with your face , This isnt a joke and i am not laughing. You wanna go lets do it.:soapbox: :soapbox: :samurai: :2pistols: :2xbird: :EG:
J-kid
10-16-2002, 09:30 PM
Hey kirk i doubt you know anyone i train with. I know for a fact you dont know me. Last off i am putting a bad name for teenagers well bite me , Because your a real jerk for someone that should act more mature. I have seen you in other threads talk **** to people. How the hell did you become adminstraighter your a real moron. As for what i think of you. Your a punk and lets face it your proble gonna be a idoit for the rest of your natural life.
Incase i get banned a final message
Thanks for the good run i have injoyed many forms on diffrent topics, Cheers and happy runnings to all of you ,Beside kirk and tarabas or what ever/.
Originally posted by Judo-kid
Hey kirk screw you dude i dont care if i get kicked off this website no one talks about me that way. GO to hell dude / Talking about *******s. Your one to speak you sent me a letter in my in box telling me if i am ever in texas you will kick my ass. Well come up to Washington and stop by kent see what happens i dare you , Ill take my metal base ball bat and mix it up with your face , This isnt a joke and i am not laughing. You wanna go lets do it.
Bit of a lie there, but thanks for the laugh!
:rofl:
Originally posted by Judo-kid
Hey kirk i doubt you know anyone i train with. I know for a fact you dont know me. Last off i am putting a bad name for teenagers well bite me , Because your a real jerk for someone that should act more mature. I have seen you in other threads talk **** to people. How the hell did you become adminstraighter your a real moron. As for what i think of you. Your a punk and lets face it your proble gonna be a idoit for the rest of your natural life.
Incase i get banned a final message
Thanks for the good run i have injoyed many forms on diffrent topics, Cheers and happy runnings to all of you ,Beside kirk and tarabas or what ever/.
You won't get banned, relax, take a pill. I treat others how they
treat me. You're just mad cause you got back what you've been
dishing out. I may in fact be an idiot .. but I can SPELL idiot, and
administrator. Punks go looking for a fight ... like you did with
this thread. I merely didn't stand down and go "you're right
Judo Boy, the UFC is the ULTIMATE, and MMAers are the only ones
that know how to fight. If you didn't want the confrontation here,
you shouldn't have talked about how supreme your fighting is,
and how traditional ones aren't.
J-kid
10-16-2002, 09:51 PM
I never said any where that traditnional martial arts sucked. Infact i have stated believe it or not that Martial arts is better then not having any, Are you shocked Kirk maybe if you would read my posts and you would see that i am just wounding why i get a load of crap for doing sports judo as one of my martial arts and that could add into why i made this post , Not to dog on anyone else but to ask why that is . Its true i m not the best when it comes to grammer. Then again i am really great in science and socil studys , I take honors in those 2 areas.
This is to add into why i said kenpo guys this and that blah blah blah. Because from my expereince i have heard more **** talking from kenpo guys then anyone else/ That is my experience dos that mean that every kenpo guy is a jerk No. Dos that mean i hate Kenpo in genral no. It just means i have had many bad experiences with them . For example i called a kenpo place and the first thing the guy starts to do is dog TKD and stuff, I dont take TKD but still this also sets a bad example you shouldnt have to dog another martial art to promote your own. True some times i do go a little over board but, I try to stay within reason 98% of the time.
J-kid
10-16-2002, 09:53 PM
Remeber a wal back when i posted BOWING = BRAIN WASH . Then you sent me a letter saying somthing like bring it . I have it in my folder but everytime i post it one of your admins takes it off. :shrug:
Originally posted by Judo-kid
I never said any where that traditnional martial arts sucked. Infact i have stated believe it or not that Martial arts is better then not having any, Are you shocked Kirk maybe if you would read my posts and you would see that i am just wounding why i get a load of crap for doing sports judo as one of my martial arts and that could add into why i made this post , Not to dog on anyone else but to ask why that is .
No, the word "suck" wasn't used by you, you're right. But what
you HAVE done is say things like:
1) Bowing is brain washing
2) If they don't fight in a ring, they're full of it
3) What's better, Judo or Jujitsu?
4) You never see Kung fu guys going at it in competition because uhh maybe kung fu isnt what it could be?
ALL are written to bring conflict!!! So no, you might not have
actually typed the word "suck" but you've gone everywhere
you possibly could around the word. You are constantly insulting
other styles brotherman, and you like confrontation. So I brought
it to the table.
Originally posted by Judo-kid
This is to add into why i said kenpo guys this and that blah blah blah. Because from my expereince i have heard more **** talking from kenpo guys then anyone else
Okay, so you've heard it from kenpo, and that gives you the right
to say anything you want about kenpo????? The thing is, I've
heard more *** *talking from MMAers and grapplers, but when I
point that out, you get all defensive. I guess I should've used the
cliche "I don't want to offend anyone".
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Judo-kid
For example i called a kenpo place and the first thing the guy starts to do is dog TKD and stuff
Sorry, I don't want to offend you, but I don't believe that line for
one second. Do you just jump on any band wagon that rolls by?
How come you suddenly make this claim, now that Damian spoke
up about how much HE hears it??? (Damian .. I don't deny your
claim, sorry to bring you into this). You've never made mention of
it before!
Originally posted by Judo-kid
I dont take TKD but still this also sets a bad example you shouldnt have to dog another martial art to promote your own.
Well that's exactly what you have been doing. And if you want
to push this issue, maybe I'll go ahead and actually go through all
your posts, and paste them in here. You do it a LOT. So do quite
a few other MMAers. There's another bandwagon for ya. If you
keep this up, you could fall into the wrong crowd, and end up in
a bad place man. Do yourself a favor, and start thinking for
yourself RIGHT NOW.
Originally posted by Judo-kid
True some times i do go a little over board but, I try to stay within reason 98% of the time.
Well then your math is bad too. Answer me this .. am I the ONLY
one you've gotten into it with on this board? You're
confrontational and you DO dog on other styles. IMO you started
this. If you want it to end, lets make an agreement to NEVER
EVER reply to one another's posts EVER again. if that's the case,
then don't come back slingin' trash, just say okay. I won't say
another word to you again, and you can freely call my and other
arts garbage all you want.
As for your claiming that I said "I'll kick your ass" ... nope .. didn't
say it. I replied to your challenge saying you're the one claiming
that you can kick ANY non mma'ers ass ... so next time you're in
Texas, look me up, and we'll find out. There's a big difference,
and yes .. still .. if you want some .. BRING IT. And I'll even give
you this little tid bit of info ...I'm not saying that I CAN kick your
ass! I don't know .. but you're SO insulting, and SO challenging,
and SO confrontational, that I won't walk away from finding out.
I'll even give ya this .. if YOU kick My ass ... I'll buy dinner afterwards.
Bob Hubbard
10-17-2002, 01:03 AM
Ok..... This -mess- was just brought to my attention....
A few things:
1- The diapers are on the way for a few folks in here....You know who you are.
2- Please go back and re-read the forum rules. Theres too many violations in here to mention, so I'm going to be nice and just post a warning. Next time, we're gonna drop the hammer.
3- There is an old saying "If you cant say something nice, dont say anything at all." I suggest a few folks think on that one.
4- Kirk as Admin - I'll make this -VERY- simple....look to the left...no, your other left....look by the user name...we recently added in a modification that shows what level a member is at. You will note that out of all those in this thread, I'm the only one with Administrator by their handle/name.
5- Attitudes in general. With all the "this art sucks" and "TKDs a joke" and "That arts FOS" etc etc etc. Enough! already.
6- If you can't communicate in a mature manner, I suggest trying a different forum.
7- See #2.
I'm going to be -very- blunt.... you all know better. Kirk, Judo, take it private or drop it. I don't care -who- fired first. Next one firing a shot gets the axe, period.
As I said...I'm being nice right now..... by all definitions, I should be suspending/banning a few people.
To the folks who tried to have a serious conversation or keep things sane, thank you. Its apreciated.
Bob Hubbard
10-17-2002, 01:04 AM
This thread is now locked.
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