Some very interesting Kaju clips that I thought I'd share. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkY3u-4Oiqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db4Pq7K3JTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33mcQivFCZs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cU7LOa5NdU

Wow,
the first clip was great. The transitition from Kaju hand techniques to the grappling take downs flowed very nicely.

I did'nt realize how kenpo like kajukenbo can appear! The only exsposure I have ever had to any kajukenbo like art was KI Kajukenpo. That appeared to be much stiffer than the Kajukenbo I watched on these clips. Are these clips a fair representation of the art? I was really surprised at the speed, and fluidity of the demos.

The 2nd clip had a technique off of the grab and punch, but it looked alot like Thundering Hammers, as far as the forearm strike and hit to the back of the head.

Here is a little bio on Mr. Garcia:
http://www.kajukenbocafe.com/smf/index.php?topic=131.0

I'm sure Mr. Bishop would be able to provide more insight on this art.

Mike

I did'nt realize how kenpo like kajukenbo can appear! The only exsposure I have ever had to any kajukenbo like art was KI Kajukenpo. That appeared to be much stiffer than the Kajukenbo I watched on these clips. Are these clips a fair representation of the art? I was really surprised at the speed, and fluidity of the demos.

I'm not familiar with "KI Kajukenpo" or it's possible connection to Kajukenbo. Unless it's Algene Cauralia's "Kajukenpo" which has a strong Okinawan influence.
These clips are representative of the "Original Method". The other methods are a little more soft and circular, but with the same blending of jujitsu and judo.
If you see some resemblances to EPAK, of course it's because Emperado and Parker had the same kenpo teacher. The deferences are the directions they took after they left Prof. Chow.

Good stuff! That first video was awesome!

Some of the younger generation.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4459797750213139154&q=kajukenbo&hl=en

Mr.Bishop,

Regarding your son's brawl. One word truly comes to mind,WOW! Now about your response to my earlier post. I was indeed refering to Mr.Caurali's(sp?)Karate Institute Kajukenpo. The head instructor of one of the kenpo studios I attended, and the owner operator of a KI studio in our area. Had a comparative seminar back in the late 80's. I thought it was pretty interesting. I think our rapid strikes were very new to the KI students.

Mr. Bishop,

You made my night. I love when the youn'ins go at it. Thanks for sharing.

Not to complain but I feel that in the latter vids the guy is just to far away from his opponent. Am I wrong?
Sean

Mr.Bishop,

Regarding your son's brawl. One word truly comes to mind,WOW! Now about your response to my earlier post. I was indeed refering to Mr.Caurali's(sp?)Karate Institute Kajukenpo. The head instructor of one of the kenpo studios I attended, and the owner operator of a KI studio in our area. Had a comparative seminar back in the late 80's. I thought it was pretty interesting. I think our rapid strikes were very new to the KI students.

Well, it's not my son. It's Kim Kingi's son, and GM Rick Kingi's grandson from Los Angeles Kajukenbo.
Caraulia went up to brown belt in Kajukenbo then moved to east. He actually won the Robert Trias's first USKA world championship as a brown belt. He later affliated with the USKA and completed his black belt in the Shorei/Shuri Ryu system that Trias taught. So they have a very strong Okinawan and Japanese influence.
I think the only Kajukenbo school in Ohio is Ray Anderson's school in Lorain Co.

Mr.Bishop,

Sorry about the mix up regarding the youngun. Thanks also for the history about Mr.Caraulia's Kajukenpo. Whatever happened to Mr.Caraulia? His system seemed to be pretty big on the south eastern side of Cleveland,Ohio.

Some of the younger generation.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4459797750213139154&q=kajukenbo&hl=en


That was cool! They went at it better, and more convincing than the Kung fu "masters" thread in the CMA section (masters fighting? thread).

Anyone have anynore clips? :)

Anyone have anynore clips? :)

Here are a few more.

http://media.putfile.com/GMDemo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmZbvGrCXxU&search=kajukembo

Great. Thanks Mike!

Great. Thanks Mike!

You're welcome! :)

Here is another:
http://www.xtrememartialart.com/Professor_Nataniel_Ortega.wmv

That "ae kajukenbo" clip was pretty kewl. Although I would have liked to see more of the kenpo guy's action. He looked to move quite well. Was that one seminar? There was alot going on. The grapplers appeared to have their material down too.

My question would be to all the clips. Does anyone know if they're just free styling, or doing actual techniques?

My question would be to all the clips. Does anyone know if they're just free styling, or doing actual techniques?

They're not part of the core cirriculum of the "Original Method", but they are additional variations that Angel Garcia has added to his school & seminar cirriculum.

Thank you sir.

In your opinion, do these clips still resemble Kajukenbo, in terms of movement, and overall appearance?

Thank you sir.

In your opinion, do these clips still resemble Kajukenbo, in terms of movement, and overall appearance?

Very much so. You see the closing with kenpo strikes blended with escrima cutting type strikes, then the takedowns, finished with groundwork with strikes or submission locks.
Weapons defenses usually start with jujitsu to seize the weapon hand, disjointing to disarm, takedown, followed by kenpo/escrima strikes, dance of death.

The clips look very good and very sk to me. I can see many variations of combo's in there...18, 74, 3, and some animal techniques also. Many of Prof.I's no mind moves and flow are very evidently in the same family. I know they are different from orginal method but i have to say, i have seen some footage of GM Villari in seminars from the 90's and these guyus move more like him than many sk guys i know.

Respectfully,
Marlon

Some very interesting Kaju clips that I thought I'd share. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkY3u-4Oiqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db4Pq7K3JTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33mcQivFCZs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cU7LOa5NdU

Kaju-Kids having fun:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YG5A2fOT5zs

interesting clips

Another clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T6TI_3rdpg

Another clip!! Great stuff!!

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=7852329587671172996&q=kajukenbo

Another clip!! Great stuff!!

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=7852329587671172996&q=kajukenbo

Yeah, those are some of GM Angel Garcia's guys from France. Very talented.

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

NIIIIICE! http://martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Another clip from one of the schools in Spain,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_LfWanRXcE

Another clip from one of the schools in Spain,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_LfWanRXcE

That's a really fun clip - you can tell they had a good time making it.

Thanks for sharing.

Matt

Awesome clip! Thanks for posting it!:ultracool

Nice moves!! http://martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Some Kaju-kids

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6036766087546822778&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=838655503549597019

A couple kaju girls sparring:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w-d_CZ742Hk

Doing Palama Set 3 from the John Leoning lineage:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jl32sffOyC8

Some very interesting Kaju clips that I thought I'd share. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkY3u-4Oiqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db4Pq7K3JTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33mcQivFCZs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cU7LOa5NdU

great clips,
are these set technique or 'flow'? i saw many of the techniques i have learned being used very effectively in these clips. Thanks for sharing.

Respectfully,
marlon

great clips,
are these set technique or 'flow'? i saw many of the techniques i have learned being used very effectively in these clips. Thanks for sharing.

Respectfully,
marlon

The first clip appears to be some freestyle repetition that students would do against a "monkey line" of attackers. The combinations are left for the students to create from the technques thay have learned.

The other clips are additional defenses Angel Garcia has added to his cirriculum.

Kajukenbo techniques are based on a premise of "Par, Stun, Put Away". So defensive combinations usually have 3-5 techniques that normally block or catch(par), strike (stun), and then take down or dislocate (put away).
As in this example of "Punch Counter 4": http://youtube.com/watch?v=pJ0eLytCFE4

Once the technique has been learned and tested on, the student is required to create a "adlib" to it.
This could be as simply as 3-4 more finishing strikes like this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ltQ8bE9NQns

Or, it can be quite elaborate, with several strikes or dislocations. And the "adlib" may be differant everytime it's done, even if it's done at the end of the same technique over and over.

The "Put Away" would mean to finish the fight once and for all.
Sort of like this example of "Club Counter 4": http://youtube.com/watch?v=duPqUgPxJJ4

The first clip appears to be some freestyle repetition that students would do against a "monkey line" of attackers. The combinations are left for the students to create from the technques thay have learned.

The other clips are additional defenses Angel Garcia has added to his cirriculum.

Kajukenbo techniques are based on a premise of "Par, Stun, Put Away". So defensive combinations usually have 3-5 techniques that normally block or catch(par), strike (stun), and then take down or dislocate (put away).
As in this example of "Punch Counter 4": http://youtube.com/watch?v=pJ0eLytCFE4

Once the technique has been learned and tested on, the student is required to create a "adlib" to it.
This could be as simply as 3-4 more finishing strikes like this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ltQ8bE9NQns

Or, it can be quite elaborate, with several strikes or dislocations.

The "Put Away" would mean to finish the fight once and for all.
Sort of like this example of "Club Counter 4": http://youtube.com/watch?v=duPqUgPxJJ4


I like the adlib concept. we do not do enough of that...it is either flow or techniques. I think i will begin teaching the concept. Thanks. The first link is the one where i saw many familiar techniques and combinations from the sk system. Thanks again...great stuff

respectfully,
Marlon

John, Thanks for the additional clips as well as the detailed breakdown! :)

Mike

Some Kajukenbo/Wun Hop Kuen Do clips from Germany.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3161H_7DxKg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NUU3i4HFQm4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IOAWM8IiYfU

Some Kajukenbo/Wun Hop Kuen Do clips from Germany.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3161H_7DxKg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NUU3i4HFQm4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IOAWM8IiYfU

Thanks, Prof. Bishop. Am making my way from back to front on this thread. these clips were very helpful.

Some very interesting Kaju clips that I thought I'd share. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkY3u-4Oiqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db4Pq7K3JTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33mcQivFCZs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cU7LOa5NdU

Mike, all good, but the last three featuring Angel Garcia rally sing to me. :ultracoolNot a lot of flash, just 3-4 devasting blows/a takedown. All using mostly gross motor skills. Very street worthy.

Can you tell me any more about Mr. Garcia, or how to see more of him?

The 2nd clip had a technique off of the grab and punch, but it looked alot like Thundering Hammers, as far as the forearm strike and hit to the back of the head.

Here is a little bio on Mr. Garcia:
http://www.kajukenbocafe.com/smf/index.php?topic=131.0

I'm sure Mr. Bishop would be able to provide more insight on this art.

Mike

Oops. Thanks.

Pinan 5 & 8 combined for competition. Ch'uan Fa branch-Ramos Method

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WLNlhK9vbN4

Kajukenbo grappling competition. Competitors start from kneeling position if there's not mats availiable. Red shirts are color belts.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Xh1p0nnA8Y

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KnAJeReZPHA

Kajukenbo competition form;

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MCejoA5Z1EA

Dragons Den Kajukenbo (No. Calif)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_LatRDJnufM

Master Bishop,

Just curious, but, has the grappling always been done that way in your system? I guess I'm just making a mental comparison, in that, it looks like a BJJ flavor to it. Was that way incorporated into the sytem, or has it always been there, like that?

Just curious, but, has the grappling always been done that way in your system? I guess I'm just making a mental comparison, in that, it looks like a BJJ flavor to it. Was that way incorporated into the sytem, or has it always been there, like that?

Well, historically, Brazilian jiu jitsu is judo, with a emphasis on the "newaza", ground techniques. But that's another topic.

Kajukenbo has both Danzan Ryu jujitsu and Kodokan judo in it. I can't speak for the other branches and methods, but I will say that in the "Original Method" 65-75% of the combinations have jujitsu or judo techniques blended into them.
Once an attacker is on the ground, our primarily response is to ground and pound, and get back on our feet quiclky. But we do teach some ground holds, chokes, and locks, and train some in grappling.
I know some people hate the term "anti-grappling", but it describes something we also do quite a bit of, especially with the women. In other words we work on how not to being taken down, and how to escape if you are.

For the most part those in Kajukenbo that do participate in sporting competition, do primarily tournament, kickboxing, or MMA competition. Because grappling competition is now becoming popular, some Kajukenbo people have joined in, and in turn spent more time on their ground grappling.
In Kajukenbo tournaments like Sijo Emperado's annual birthday tournament in Las Vegas, we like to tailor the competition to what we do. So we will have hard contact sparring, grappling, and escrima stick fighting.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1g3mZR1AJmM

Thank you. That's what was sticking out to me. "Our family" deals with the ground thing in a certain way, as you said. BJJ deals with it too, in it's way. To me, they do the same thing, but, have a different "look" to them, being their own separate animals at this point. That's what was sticking me. The clips, as well as all the other stuff I've seen lately, seems to be taking on the "BJJ look and feel", as opposed to what I was used to seeing before. That's why I was just curious as if it was done like that from the beginning, with your guys.

Kajukenbo techniques are based on a premise of "Par, Stun, Put Away". So defensive combinations usually have 3-5 techniques that normally block or catch(par), strike (stun), and then take down or dislocate (put away).
As in this example of "Punch Counter 4": http://youtube.com/watch?v=pJ0eLytCFE4

Have been thinking about this sequence for controlling the conflict for a few days now (par, stun, put away). By chance, my cross training in Kung Fu San Soo complements my SK because KFSS follows this format also. So I was fortunate to 'discover' this concept apart from Kajukenbo, even tho never having had the opportunity to study that art. Very affirming to see the concept embedded in Kaju, which I respect very much as a real street defense art. And seeing Angel Garcia use it...man, oh man. Would love to get some DVDs by this gentleman.

OT: Am still re-watching the various clips/rereading responses here. Lots of meat, so lots to chew over. :ultracool Appreciate those who are working to add more, and keep the thread going. It continues to be useful.

Here's a clip from around 1962 in No. Calif. The instructor in black is GM Charles Gaylord. The instructor in red is Prof. Walter Godin.
The quality isn't the best, since it comes from converted old movie film.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7OsZ0XKtbG4

I liked that. Thanks for posting. Reminds me of my dads old 8mm home movies. I saw some pretty sharp white belts in there, at least it looked liek they were wearing white belts.

Here's 2 more early 60's clips. This one is from Aleju Reyes's beginners class.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XcjefT_9-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYlEcIhSQuU

I thank you so much for posting these links...being from the Reyes lineage these are absolutely priceless.

I thank you so much for posting these links...being from the Reyes lineage these are absolutely priceless.

Welcome to MT Todd! Please feel free to post any clips that you may have as well as jump into the discussions. :)

Mike

Aloha Brother :ultracool

loyalonehk its an honor

Another 1960's vintage clip

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vnB3q8ZCtzs

Those were interesting to see. Thanks for putting them up.

1stJohn1:9

Another 1960's vintage clip

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vnB3q8ZCtzs

Great clip! Thanks!

These vintage clips really help keep me grounded. I think everytime I start to drift toward believing I'm any good, I'll come back and watch these. :uhyeah: Thanks, Prof. Bishop.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gn8rPZAUZZc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YwokQyhzqKo

Thank you for posting the clips. I enjoyed the Diaz's demonstrations of Kajukenbo. Do they have a kenpo background, or is it just the k-e-n of the system shining forth?

1stJohn1:9

Great clips, I really enjoyed watching them.

One from the Disneyland Wide World of Sports Tournament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl2wnodKJyE

One from the Disneyland Wide World of Sports Tournament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl2wnodKJyE

Very impressive. Prof. Bishop, do you know if the four-man demonstration featured free-form responses by the defenders, or if they were prescripted techniques? Thanks.

Very impressive. Prof. Bishop, do you know if the four-man demonstration featured free-form responses by the defenders, or if they were prescripted techniques? Thanks.

Other then the "adlib" strikes at the end of each combination, I'm sure the
rest of the demonstration was choreographed.

Thank you for posting the clips. I enjoyed the Diaz's demonstrations of Kajukenbo. Do they have a kenpo background, or is it just the k-e-n of the system shining forth?

1stJohn1:9

I don't know if they have a kenpo background, but the hand strikes they are doing is pretty typical of the kenpo and escrima hand strikes in Kajukenbo.

Master Bishop,

I know that you are apart of the original Kajukenbo method, and provide clips of such. By that designation I assume that there is a newer form of Kajukenbo. is there footage of that, specifically of techniques that you have shown, so a comparison can be made?

Also, Is the new style endorsed by Grand Master Emperado?

Master Bishop,

I know that you are apart of the original Kajukenbo method, and provide clips of such. By that designation I assume that there is a newer form of Kajukenbo. is there footage of that, specifically of techniques that you have shown, so a comparison can be made?

Also, Is the new style endorsed by Grand Master Emperado?

The "Original" method is just that, the original method of Kajukenbo. It's sometimes referred to as the "Kenpo Karate" branch, or the "Original Hardstyle" method.
The "newer" forms of Kajukenbo are nothing more then the other branches, "Chuan Fa", "Wun Hop Kuen Do", and "Tum Pai". Chuan Fa and Wun Hop Kuen Do were developed in the 60's, and "Tum Pai" was developed in the early 80's.
These 4 "styles" or branches make up the Kajukenbo system, and have been approved by Sijo Emperado.
There are no commercially produced videos of the Tum Pai and Chuan Fa branches. Unique Publications has produced 4 videos on the Wun Hop Kuen Do branch, featuring GM Al Dacascos.
I haven't seen any video clips from "Chuan Fa", or "Tum Pai" anywhere on the web. There are a few "Wun Hop Kuen Do" clips on You Tube, but their all from tournament competition. Not really self defense technique clips, but they give you a idea of the contrast between the original hardstyle forms and the soft forms of WHKD.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3161H_7DxKg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cmNKWKNhM9c

Thank you sir! :asian:

They are night and day. It looks nothing like the Kajukenbo I've seen. It seems just like Kung Fu forms. (strictly)

Thank you sir! :asian:

They are night and day. It looks nothing like the Kajukenbo I've seen. It seems just like Kung Fu forms. (strictly)

More like "CWS" (Contemporary WuShu).

A Clip from Kajukenbo Kosho-Ryu of Puerto Rico. I saw him at S.K.S.K. Gathering every year and it's great he mix the Kajukenbo counters with Kosho movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTXnIz1Cbx4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWgQF1xH9JA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y2Hsothgrc

Ryuguardian (Greg)

Basic Kajukenbo Repetition:

Part 1:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c9axWGXOTV8

Part 2:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hdnCjxg5ZLQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpyR4Y7QGs0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0yBue68Ilyw

Kajukenbo schools in MMA type competition.

Bono's Kajukenbo & JKD (San Jose, Ca.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXOL5fflvzE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebullshido%2Enet%2Fforums%2 Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D60263%26p%3D1572111

Tribull (San Jose, Ca.)
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=18484907

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5keD2-_F9OY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qp0oyZ6q6CI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Y6UgnxNhhE

GM Rick Kingi and GM Carlos Bunda

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Kaju form

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Prof. John Bono

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Some clips of a few of Prof. Bonos students.

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Commercial for North American Kajukenbo (Arizona)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZXXb8HAoPB4

Sigung Jeff Macalooloy's school. He's one of the trainers that assisted Prof. Greg Harper on the "Fight Quest" show. They worked with Doug.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UkUJCnhEsJw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YuFb5q5S09s

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FjfVL0obXmg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wh3EAwaWabY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3OONKIjGhjE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uKbx3nBzng0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yOoZ-87JQX0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ic3CebZiWaE

A Kajukenbo black belt showing a TKD black belt the effectiveness of hand techniques and low kicks :wink1: :


http://youtube.com/watch?v=jHgb1h1I17k

A Kajukenbo black belt showing a TKD black belt the effectiveness of hand techniques and low kicks :wink1: :


http://youtube.com/watch?v=jHgb1h1I17k

Nice clip! :)

Starting them young:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=n-YJkqG5a6w

Maui style bullring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVKFPolpD0A

Prof. Rod Alo, staff kata

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzHMH1k8pU

Starting them young:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=n-YJkqG5a6w

Now that was pretty impressive ... ages? They look awefully young.

Now that was pretty impressive ... ages? They look awefully young.

Little Victor was 7 at the time. He's 8 or 9 now.

Very cool. I would venture to say that is definately above the norm.

Very cool. I would venture to say that is definately above the norm.


Yea, the kid probably had black diapers. His grandfather is a grandmaster, his mother and 5 uncles are black belts. He had a gi on long before a t-ball uniform.

Yea, the kid probably had black diapers. His grandfather is a grandmaster, his mother and 5 uncles are black belts. He had a gi on long before a t-ball uniform.

Well, in any case, impressive that a kid that young would have the skills to keep two people at bay for that long. Very nice.

GM Rick Kingi and GM Carlos Bunda

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Kaju form

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Prof. John Bono

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I love this thread. Thank you for the kaju form! What is it called in kajukenbo...i have learned it from Shihan who has it from Prof.Kimo

Respectfully,
Marlon

The form is Palama Set (Pinan) 1. The Leoning variation being done has a couple additional moves.

The form is Palama Set (Pinan) 1. The Leoning variation being done has a couple additional moves.

Thanks for that mention of my first SiFu.
Thanks also to MJS for the clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E806JK36Pr0

this is called palama set 8 on youtube. It apears to me tha t the skk kata 3 was derived from this kicking form as it has most of the key kicking sequences in it.

Respectfully,
Marlon

Starting them young:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=n-YJkqG5a6w

i wish i knew how to motivate my children to get into kempo like that!! Thanks for the clips. He is an impressive child.

Marlon

What is limpo? Where did it originate? What does it teach? The hand movements are very specific, how do they relate to fighting?

Respectfully,
Marlon

What is limpo? Where did it originate? What does it teach? The hand movements are very specific, how do they relate to fighting?

Respectfully,
Marlon

Limpo is a common kung fu form that is also taught in the "Chuan Fa", and "Wun Hop Kuen Do" branches of Kajukenbo.
I've seen it done a few times, but have never practiced it. I don't know the applications or bunkai for the form.
Perhaps if you ask the question in the "Chinese" sections here, you could get a description of the applications.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E806JK36Pr0

this is called palama set 8 on youtube. It apears to me that the skk kata 3 was derived from this kicking form as it has most of the key kicking sequences in it.

Respectfully,
Marlon


There-in lies the problem. You take movements from a kata that was never meant to have bunkai, and place these movements into a newly created kata. So now you have to create a bunkai for movements that never had bunkai. And were never put into a sequence that would lend itself to bunkai.

There-in lies the problem. You take movements from a kata that was never meant to have bunkai, and place these movements into a newly created kata. So now you have to create a bunkai for movements that never had bunkai. And were never put into a sequence that would lend itself to bunkai.

Well i can see your point. i would like to note that i do not have specificly given bunkai on the kicking sequences and as you said they are good training in and of themselves. As for the rest of the form...like any form someone thought it worthwhile to create and keep...it is up to the users of the form, the students of the system to honour it or disgard it...the worst though is to blindly mimic movements and perpetuate ignorance and ineffective training.
And before i am missunderstood again. i teach 3 kata, i like 3 kata do i fully understand or believe all the movements of 3 kata have deep hidden bunkai...no...is there legitimate bunkai/ applications to be found, learned and practiced...yes.

respectfully,
Marlon

Well Io can see your point. i would like to note that i do not have specificly given bunkai on the kicking sequences and as you said they are good training in and of themselves. As for the rest of the form...like any form someone thought it worthwhile to create and keep...it is up to the users of the form, the students of the system to honour it or disgard it...the worst though is to blindly mimic movements and perpetuate ignorance and ineffective training.
And before i am missunderstood again. i teach 3 kata, i like 3 kata do i fully understand or believe all the movements of 3 kata have deep hidden bunkai...no...is there legitimate bunkai/ applications to be found, learned and practiced...yes.

respectfully,
Marlon

For the most part I agree with you. I feel that most kata is good to develop balance, movement, etc. I just don't feel a need to break it down step by step, and go on a lifelong quest to find the hidden meaning of every technique. With a lot of modern katas, sometimes there is no bunkai, or it's made up by whatever instructor is teaching it at the time.
And with some of the old katas you'll find bunkai that has no application to modern self defense. Things like a technique to defend against a warrior armed with a sword or spear. Or a flying kick made to knock a soldier off his horse.

For the most part I agree with you. I feel that most kata is good to develop balance, movement, etc. I just don't feel a need to break it down step by step, and go on a lifelong quest to find the hidden meaning of every technique. With a lot of modern katas, sometimes there is no bunkai, or it's made up by whatever instructor is teaching it at the time.
And with some of the old katas you'll find bunkai that has no application to modern self defense. Things like a technique to defend against a warrior armed with a sword or spear. Or a flying kick made to knock a soldier off his horse.

agreed!

This is more a teaser than a real video but I think you might like it:

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=H1CW4ExXP74

Form 5
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Form 3
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BullRing
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Sparring at Kingi's Kajukenbo
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Kingi's Kajukenbo Black Belt Exam
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A clip that wasn't shown on Fight Quest. Here we have Doug being put thru the paces with GM Harper and some other Kaju instructors!

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Red Man Training

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EK73dEdCR4

Kajukenbo in Europe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qngO0_G4bM8

Tres Cool
Thanks

Kajukenbo in Europe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qngO0_G4bM8

Great clip!:ultracool