Hidden Moves in Short 2's Cup & Saucer?

[AmericanKenpoChris]

I recall someone talking about hidden moves in a cup and saucer per short form 2 for a wrist grab. Can anyone illustrate this or other moves from the cup and saucer?

Thank you,
Chris

[marlon]

do your cup and saucer move slowly and you should be able to see the grab and pull motion there. From that point work with a partner and other things should become clearer.

Respectfully,
Marlon

[KENPOJOE]

I recall someone talking about hidden moves in a cup and saucer per short form 2 for a wrist grab. Can anyone illustrate this or other moves from the cup and saucer?

Thank you,
Chris
Hi folks!
Dear Chris,
from a natural stance, have your opponent execute a front left hand direct wrist grab to your right wrist,then close your hand into a fist as you turn your hand clockwise and execute a back knuckle strike to the inside of your opponent's wrist [which should be palm up in both instances] as you draw your right hand to chamber position [palm up]
then,from the same stance,have your opponent execute a front right hand direct wrist grab to left wrist. Then, close your left hand into a fist as you bend your left elbow as your left hand turns clockwise so that it is palm down and your knuckles are facing 3 o'clock with your hand in a horizontal position [palm down] {simulating the action of "checking your watch"} as your left hand moves to your right hip accross your body.
now, combine the 2 previous actions to acheive the "hidden fist" position on your right side.
next add the action of drawing to a left cat as you do the above mentioned actions.
If you look closely, these actions are also taught somewhat in the wrist release hand isolation of long form 3 after destructive twins.
I hope that I was of some service,
KENPOJOE

[AmericanKenpoChris]

Thank you Kenpo Joe for the insight regarding short form two. I have been working my forms a lot lately and had a senior moment regarding that idea. Thanks again.

Chris

[jaybacca72]

just look at the beginning move in desperate falcons.
later
jay arnold
CANADA

[simon]

its just like performing a kote gaeshi, outer wrist lock.

[Flying Crane]

What part of the form are you guys referring to as "cup and saucer"? That's just not how it was taught to me so I am confused by the term. thx.

[Dionysianexile]

What part of the form are you guys referring to as "cup and saucer"? That's just not how it was taught to me so I am confused by the term. thx.

Yeah, they've lost me on the term also...

[HKphooey]

When you bring one fist from the opposite side to other chambered fist. Vertical fist over horizontal, looks like a cup and saucer.

[Flying Crane]

When you bring one fist from the opposite side to other chambered fist. Vertical fist over horizontal, looks like a cup and saucer.

Ah, so is this in preparation for the second series of movements, a right punch and left outward block to the left? Would the cup and saucer be the chambering movement just before this next series?

[HKphooey]

Ah, so is this in preparation for the second series of movements, a right punch and left outward block to the left? Would the cup and saucer be the chambering movement just before this next series?

It can be. I have heard a few variations on the applications. See Kenpojoe's above - I like that one too.

[Flying Crane]

It can be. I have heard a few variations on the applications. See Kenpojoe's above - I like that one too.

Thanks, now I can go back and re-read the thread and understand what is going on.

Like the other thread going on right now, I guess we can learn something and improve our practice on Internet Discussion Forums... :asian:

[Flying Crane]

Got it. Yeah, I can certainly see wrist releases in that movement. Good points. thanks for bringing up a minor detail that I am sure I have neglected.