they just dont know

[hand2handCombat]

why do ppl who dont kick claim it to be for wooses?
non martial artists i mean.:shrug:

[arnisador]

It's the usual thing--it's way of setting the rules in one's favor. Hence the high school ethos where kicking, biting, and other forms of equalizers that smaller people could use against larger people are ruled 'unfair/unmanly' by those who want the rules to favor the large and strong.

[Deathtrap101]

yea thats about it...

If i ever get into that situation where im in a fight and the guy starts whining about my kicks being cheap and wussy like, ill tell him im not gonna stop doing them and if he wants he can do them too and i wont mind. :D

Not that he's gonna have time to start whining about kicks ;) lol

[Danny]

I'd kick him while he was whining then run away in the unlikely event he was still standing. :D

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by arnisador

It's the usual thing--it's way of setting the rules in one's favor. Hence the high school ethos where kicking, biting, and other forms of equalizers that smaller people could use against larger people are ruled 'unfair/unmanly' by those who want the rules to favor the large and strong.

I think the bully thing is very important to understand. I has someone that wanted me the kick box them. Sure, I kicked him in the legs. I did not know he meant only throw the kicks high enough for him to easily block them.

In High School people also complained about the wrestlers or huggers, they seemed to win most of their combats.

I agree with Arnisador on the setting the rules in one's favor.

Good Luck

Rich

[tshadowchaser]

To add another view on this those that train with their hands dislike the idea of not being able to use them in tournaments or being given less points for a hand tech then a kick.
Hand people fell that one shoul;d be able to block, evade, whatever both hads and feet.

[tonbo]

Ya know, it just don't make sense.

I have had the "kicks are unmanly" debate with people before, and I always resort to the same question: Why?

Ever watch the Muay Thai guys go at it? Vale Tudo? Savate? How about any art that targets a nice kick into the side of the knee?

Hm. Unmanly? Doubtful. Then again, I don't check how my hair looks when I spar, either. I worry more about what is working and what is not, rather than if I am looking or acting "manly" enough. Get me in a real fight, and I will use anything and everything in my arsenal, manly or not, to win. Essentially, if I am dragged into fighting, then it must be important enough to fight for, and "manliness" is not going to be part of the equation.

Unless, of course, I am somehow involved in a gentleman's duel with swords and clearly established rules. :D

Kicks being "unmanly".....sheeesh......puh-leeeeze. People who think like that should get kicked in the head at least once by a well executed roundhouse. That should clear up the debate a bit. :D

Peace--

[hand2handCombat]

in street fights, it is important to take down the opponents as fast as possible. but in MA tournaments, its important to get points, where there are rules which u cant do this or that.

i think ppl are too hung up in getting points than in taking down the opponent. one of my MT friends was in a fight(street) and i was watching(no intention of jumping in), well the fight lasted a pretty long time because he used only kicks and punches. whereas he could have used knees and elbows(whcih werent allowed in tourns). so ppl are too adapted to rules

[Nightingale]

hehe. If I'm in a street fight, I'm sure not gonna punch my opponent in the chest. I'm gonna kick out his knee and get the heck outa there! If someone wants to start something with me, they've given me the right to defend myself with whatever means I deem necessary. Kicking, scratching, clawing, biting, whatever. As long as it means I walk away and make sure he's in no condition to follow me, there's nothing "wussy" about it.

[tmanifold]

This reminds me of a fight I had when I was about 13. My Irish temper had got me in a fight again, but this time with a guy a foot taller than me. Since I wasn't mad after the first time I hit him I just started circling and kicking his knees. he made some comment about kicking like a girl. I got so mad I punched him. I had to jump he was so tall. Well it worked and it got to go down in the books as funny with me jumping and all.


Ah, nostalgia,

Tony

[KennethKu]

Originally posted by nightingale8472

hehe. If I'm in a street fight, I'm sure not gonna punch my opponent in the chest. I'm gonna kick out his knee and get the heck outa there! If someone wants to start something with me, they've given me the right to defend myself with whatever means I deem necessary. Kicking, scratching, clawing, biting, whatever. As long as it means I walk away and make sure he's in no condition to follow me, there's nothing "wussy" about it.

It is called Successful Self-Defence.

[Nightingale]

Exactly.

[Little_Shoto]

Most of my fights prior to my jr. year in high school were full of kicks. I must have been the smallest guy in school. Then God looked at me and said, "Oh, I forgot about you" and stretched me and made me one of the tallest guys during the summer ...that's when I realized that I need to learn how to punch also ...:shrug:

[hand2handCombat]

once, i was fighting this guy where i kicked his thigh hard. then he says "why u gotta kick like a .......(before he finished he got kicked in the mouth). his two front teeth were knock out. nasty sight,blood gushed.:cheers:

[KennethKu]

With all due respect, I find such post disturbing. I don't see what is there to rejoice over injuring people. We have law in this part of the world. One does not go out to inflict injury w/o legal justification.

[J-kid]

Kicking is useful just like grappling and punching.

[Carbon]

For some reason I don't believe hand2handcombat. Kicking him in the thigh?

Yes maybe after alot of kicks it would start bothering him but no real damage can be given to a muscle so large.

Yes you can disagree with this but its true that hitting something with little protection would hurt alot more.

[Deathtrap101]

For some reason I don't believe hand2handcombat. Kicking him in the thigh?

Yea but he never said it did any damage. He did it and didn't state reason why he picked the target wheather there was one or not.

[Nightingale]

getting kicked in the thigh can cause a lot of pain, especially if the muscle is flexed, but it won't really cause a lot of damage. Pain yes. Injury other than a bruise...probably not.

[7starmantis]

kicking the thigh can be very effective. Aside from the pain, and possible damage, it can be very dibilitating during a fight. I can put that leg almost out of commision during a fight by a well executed thigh kick. Also, being so far up the leg, you can really control the whole body with a thigh kick. But I don't believe many systems use this type of kick.


7sm

[hand2handCombat]

i didnt say there was damage. i kicked his thigh becuase i was kicked in the thigh once and it made me slow

[Carbon]

I know you are going to disagree but I've seen a professional Muay Thai fighter on UFC yes UFC kick a rather large man in the thigh numerous times.

The guy didn't know how to block these kicks and wasn't used to it but it sure didn't slow him down. He got kicked probably around 20 times and had a rather large bruise on his thigh.

He did lose the fight because 20 kicks to your lower leg and thigh each doesn't help lol.

[J-kid]

It all depends on the style of the fighter and who is he up agaist diffrent people use diffrent tools and some tools are stronger to diffrent types of fighting.

[Carbon]

That doesn't make sense?

I just stated this guy was a professional and probably can do some damage with his kicks. He was being hit in the thigh and didn't go down, it doesn't really take alot of training to be hit in the face does it?

[Kirk]

Carbon, what kind of kick was it? Straight thrust kick? Straight
snap kick? Roundhouse? What?

[hand2handCombat]

i was told by my MT instructor to never show pain or show that your tired. its to your advantage. i fought my MT instructor once and everytime i threw a kick( right), he would kick the inside of my left. it was so very painful, but i remembered not to show it. it slowed my down but i had to push myself. being kicked in the thigh doesnt cause a major damage that wll prevent you from walking right, but it will make u hurt

[DireWolf]

If you're not trained to take it a good Thai roundkick to the thigh usually drops people. I've even stopped doing it when sparring my friends from other styles because they take maybe two or three then can't move fast enough anymore. I've been to lots of Thai fights and I've seen at least four stopped by a good crunchy thigh kick :)

It doesn't give lasting damage, but most fights don't last that long either. Who cares if he's still feeling it in a week if you've won in four seconds? Some of the thigh kicks I took in Muay Thai I felt for days afterwards...

[Marginal]

Originally posted by Carbon

That doesn't make sense?

I just stated this guy was a professional and probably can do some damage with his kicks. He was being hit in the thigh and didn't go down, it doesn't really take alot of training to be hit in the face does it? The match you're describing sounds a lot like Marco Ruas vs Paul "The Polar Bear" Varlans.

In the match with Ruas, he was greatly outweighed by Varlans, but was able to wear him down with MT leg kicks. Until Paul finally collapsed due to his leg being unable to support him. (Took quite a while though if I remember correctly.)

Mark Coleman also took a pounding on his legs vs Maurice Smith, but that fight lasted ages without Coleman going down. Coleman was so exhausted he could barely move due to the fight's length etc, and his legs were bruised, but he never went down due to the kicks, and Smith looked like he was smuggling watermelons in his thighs... Those had to be powerful kicks.

[Carbon]

Ya I was talking about the first one you stated with the Polar Bear.

I guarentee that Marc Ruas packs a punch in his kicks. I was trying to point out that just because your kicked in the thigh doesn't mean your so phased you can't move your upper torso.

[Marginal]

It shows that, and that a leg kick may not always be enough to put someone down to one knee. If you end up fighting for one reason or another, even if they're not specifically conditioned to block/absorb the blow, there's a possibility that it's not going to do enough to keep 'em from trading blows, grabbing 'ya etc.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by hand2handCombat

why do ppl who dont kick claim it to be for wooses?
non martial artists i mean.:shrug:


Marquis De Queensbury????

[kenposcum]

I couldn't figure out how to use the quote feature, but Carbon said no real damage can be done with a kick to the thigh. Excuse me, but that's nonsense.
Just the sheer amount of power generated from a properly executed Muay Thai round kick can bring ANYONE who is not trained and conditioned to their knees. I once kicked a drunken miscreant in the thigh as he was preparing to attack and he more or less collasped. One kick, fight over.
Now if the individual is trained (by what, taking kicks to the thigh) then a large part of the pain will be mitigated. Still, as someone else said, it will make even a well-conditioned fighter slower.
An area Muay Thai instructor kicked me so hard in the thigh once that I actually threw up. That was when I decided I needed to add the kick to my arsenal. It works, trust me.

[hand2handCombat]

ya darn tootin is works. but nhb fighters are tough ********.

[Qasim]

Originally posted by kenposcum

An area Muay Thai instructor kicked me so hard in the thigh once that I actually threw up. That was when I decided I needed to add the kick to my arsenal. It works, trust me. [/B]

I don't think he kicked you quite that low if you threw up. Maybe the upper thigh area and toward the inside, is what happened.
:erg:

A properly applied low round kick to the thigh can incapacitate your opponent, and it IS NOT exclusive to Muy Thai. You take Kenpo, so you should know that.

[white belt]

A roundhouse kick to the INSIDE of the thigh is more painful. With street shoes, potentialy deadly. The femoral artery can be ruptured with the shoe toe. Look at the fight betwen Dan Severn and Pedro Rizzo. One kick to the INSIDE of Dan's knee was the only contact made in that very short fight. He blew out Severn's knee.

white belt

[KennethKu]

Exactly.

I have for ages preaching about taking out the knees in a real fight. Most attackers pay more attention to plummeting you and not enough attention to guard their lower bodies.