Whats better for kicking TKD or KENPO or Karate. Need to know

[J-kid]

:cool: Hey first off this post is not to see what art is better in general i just wanna know which has stronger kicks. If you have done 2 or 3 of them please post what you think. at this time thinking of joining Kenpo. Is this a wise choice . MORE INFO on these arts and there kicks please add thanks much Your friend Judo-Kid

[Bob Hubbard]

Skim thru the Kenpo forums for info on their kicks...

From my limited research if you are looking for a power kick, look at Muay Thai. Nothing fancy, just power. Swing your leg like a baseball bat is how its been described to me...and they hurt when they land..took one a few weeks ago...ouch.

If youre looking for the 'fancy' kicks, check out Savate. French kickboxing. If youre a pro wrestling fan, some of their stuff has found its way in (in modified form) for use by guys like Stan Lane (savate instructor) and Shawn Michaels.

I'd say TKD is another good source for the 'fancy' kicks.

:asian:

[J-kid]

Please pick one of the three and then tell me why you choose that one out of the three if you will thanks.. There is no Kickboxing training centers close to my house of any kind....:armed: :biggun:

[Damian Mavis]

They all incorporate great kicks, but TKD is HEAVY on the kicking.... alot of TKD schools will train a whole class on just 1 or 2 kicks. I find that kind of boring but in TKD thats the way its done sometimes...kick, kick, kick. As an instructor in TKD that has visited many schools I feel that TKD offers the best for kicking.... but not much for hand techniques, I'm pretty sure Kenpo would be the place to go for hands between the 3 you are looking at but TKD definately for kicks. We train speed kicks, power kicks, sneaky kicks..... every type of kick from every angle. I took karate for a while too and all I can say is... almost every karate school is different, some train like TKD and others do something completely different, like grappling. I'm thinking Kenpo is more standardised?

After saying all that, if your looking outside the 3 arts you mentioned, Muay Thai has the strongest round house type kick I've ever trained or been hit with. When kicking with the shin the difference is like a baseball bat compared to a fist. (shin instead of top of foot/instep) However Muay Thai doesnt have alot of different kicks in their arsenal, instead they have knees, elbows and boxing.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Bob Hubbard]

of the 3, I'd lean towards Kenpo. Its the more 'complete' are -in my opinion-.

That said, take a look at the ciriculum at each school, ask the instructors a lot of questions, and watch a few classes to get a feel for the school. Let them know what -you- want to get out of it, and see if they only want your cash or will help you reach your goals.

Case in point... I want to learn sword...but not kendo. I study at a Modern Arnis school and the head instructor has been helping me reach that goal. Let them know, and maybe they can help.

:asian:

[Bob Hubbard]

quick clarification..when I say 'fancy' kicks I dont mean anything bad by it... think 'complex' or 'advanced'. Crecent kicks, hook kicks, spinning axe kicks, etc.

Regarding TKD - take Damian Mavis' comments on its techniques as a good referal. He's a LOT! more knowedgeable on it than I.

The spending along time on 1 or 2 techniques (be it punching, kicking, etc) is the best way to really work it (IMHO) as it really gets it into your bodys 'memory'.

Good luck!

:asian:

[Carbon]

I know someone in my school who was quite advanced in TKD and was near assistant instructor level.

He is of small build, he is asian and isn't the strongest. I mean he has been in it for awhile and I don't know where he studied but he knows all the forms.

He says that TKD has alot of fancy kicks and he knows all of them, but they lack the ability to generate stopping power. I mean a Muay Thai kick has the power to stop someone dead in their tracks and I would love to take it but no schools are around me unfortunately :(

[KennethKu]

"...He says that TKD has alot of fancy kicks and he knows all of them, but they lack the ability to generate stopping power...."


I would not count on that when you go up against a TKD practitioner :)

I respectfully submit to you that your friend was wrong on that assessment.

[Bob Hubbard]

I spar on a regular basis with a guy whos a Blue in TKD and a Green in Modern Arnis... let me say that his kicks have some power in them. We dont go at it full out, but I've taken some good shots. If they were full power, I woulda taken some damage. (well, alot more than I did)

[Damian Mavis]

The Muay Thai round kick is stronger than the TKD one because of different attacking tools, the shin is simply a better weapon than the top of the foot.

As for the rest of TKD's kicks.... they are as powerful as they get. Go watch any TKD demo and youll usually see the head instructor kicking through 7 to 9 inches of wood..... that is not an easy accomplishment and takes alot of power granted from good technique (not muscle power). However not all schools have the same goals, I know some go for speed as opposed to power, theres actually different styles of TKD that do indeed aim for different things. I trained in a TKD school that worked on both speed and power. Some schools train alot of fast tappy tap kicks with their lead leg that score well but dont do any damage. Other schools do alot of rear leg kicks and put their whole body behind their kicks and try to tear right through their target each and every time but have a harder time scoring on a fast moving target. Ideally you would want to have both speed and power but I guess if you focus on one more than the other you get really good at it.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Kenpo Wolf]

I may be a bit biased but go with the kenpo school, which offers some of the best self defense techniques you can find, and supplement it with tkd kicks which you can learn with books, videos or friends who study tkd. Tkd is a fine art in itself but I don't like how they overemphasize kicking and breaking. This is just my opinion and I don't want to get into a flame war over it

[J-kid]

Kenpo sounds ok but really wanted to do the mui ti but nothing that is kickboxing which is close to me. I might sit in on each class , is kung fu any good at kicks or is there more powerful kicks in kenpo so many questions, . Hope someone can make a detailed thing on there art if it is a kicking one please post here, i wanna read what you have to say about your kicks and how you train . thanks your friend Judo-kid

[Damian Mavis]

Just like to remind you guys that Judo-kid originally asked what art had the strongest kicks.

We arent discussing which art is better.

Sorry guys but an art that spends 99% of its time kicking is going to have the best kicks...its just the way it goes. TKD gets to claim best kicks but guess what else they get? The award for most incomplete martial art! oh ... besides judo of course HA!

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[J-kid]

So there.:duel:

[vincefuess]

I trained in TKD for a few years before I started Kenpo. The kicking skills that I learned in TKD served me very well when blended into the Kenpo concepts. Kenpo keeps the kicks in very practical application- they are very strong, but only applied where they are the most effective.

As a beginning student, a mastery of basics is key to the development of strong skills. The jumping, spinning, high flying kicks I had to learn in TKD gave me a terrific sense of balance and confidence as a BASE from which I employ the simpler, more practical kicks used in Kenpo techniques.

You cannot "over master" any basic skill.

There is no such thing as a magic can of whup-ass... remember you are on a journey, and your destination will continue to change as you pursue it. Hone every skill you learn to the finest edge you can.

[Damian Mavis]

"There is no such thing as a magic can of whup-ass... "

uh, yes in fact there is! and if you send me $9.99 I will mail your can to you within 6 to 8 weeks.

Judo kid, I know judo is good for grappling haha, to me judo and TKD are just very incomplete cosidering they never touch certain ranges and almost exclusively focus on one range.


Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[vincefuess]

You got insomnia too??? It's 3:30 in the dog gone morning! I thought I had this place all to myself.

Yep- I see those ads for the magic cans of whup-ass in EVERY issue of Black Belt Magazine! :rofl:

I sure wish these eyelids would get heavy...

[Carbon]

Ok, Damian Mavis that first post about Judo and TKD made me laugh :P

Yes, I agree that TKD is focus'd all around kicks and yes kicks are neccessary and I don't know any technical names of any TKD since I'm not a practioner but I would like to know where are you going to use all the jumping kicks they have?

Like the infamous kicks Jon Claude van Dame uses and got famous for in his Kickboxer movies :0

And yes I do know its just a movie.

[fissure]

I would like to know where are you going to use all the jumping kicks they have?
There's nothing like 'buying into stereotypes', to help with the spreading of miss- information.

[Nightingale]

I've taken both TKD and Kenpo....

From my experience (with 2 different TKD Schools, and 3 kenpo schools) is that TKD will teach you how to kick. TKD will teach you how to kick well. Kenpo will teach you how to kick just as well, and more importantly, kenpo will teach you WHEN to kick.

As I said, this is IN MY EXPERIENCE. Maybe I just hit TKD schools that weren't doing what they were supposed to.

Judo-Kid.... i'd say that kenpo would work in better with what you already know than TKD would. Ask the instructors if you can try two weeks at each of the schools, and make up your mind, because only you can decide what works for you. For me, Kenpo was the best choice, but for you, that may be different, depending on what you want from a martial art, and the teachers involved.

[Blindside]

Hey Judo-kid

I know you want to train to be a UFC fighter, so why don't you go to a gym that specializes in that?

Yes it will be a drive, but you have two good options north of you in Bellevue. THe AMC pankration guys are great grapplers and Maurice Smith's Kickboxing gym does way more than "just" kickboxing. Plus you will be training against people with the same goals and motivations you have. I suspect you will get more out of training just two days a week in a sport-specific regimen rather than 5 days doing different arts.

Training three different arts to do this is just re-inventing the wheel.

If I had to pick a kicking art I would pick Muay-Thai, if not then TKD, but avoid the ATA schools like the plague (just my opinion.)
By the way I'm a kenpo guy, so its not like I'm tooting my system, most kenpo guys just aren't kickers.

Lamont

[fissure]

Blineside:
I know you want to train to be a UFC fighter, so why don't you go to a gym that specializes in that?
You've been reading my posts to Judo-kid in other threads haven't you!:)
Seriously, this is the same advice I gave, but someone responded that M. Smith's school was just for kickboxing?
I find it hard to beleive that he personally competes in UFC, but doesn't offer a program for it.If this is true he is missing out on a nice financial situation!

[fanged_seamus]

Judo-kid,

Given that you are looking for something to complement UFC training and don't have access to Muay Thai, I'd guess that TKD is the better bet.

I train in kenpo, and while we are taught a wide variety of kicks, most of them are geared to be strikes to the groin or knee for self-defense. We don't drill the kicks as heavily as we do our upper body strikes.

TKD drills kicks intensively, from what I understand. They have a wide range of kicks as well. You're flexibility will definitely be worked to the max, and that will help your speed. Take what you can from that training and incorporate it into your UFC training.

One other thing to consider is which art trains in jamming kicks. I know kenpo teaches many ways to jam kicks. I don't know if TKD does -- maybe someone else on the forum can help with that. I would think jamming skills would really help against those Muay Thai roundhouse kicks....

Good luck with finding your art!

Tad

[Damian Mavis]

Judo Kid: Blindside is right, if you could go train at a place that worked on mma than that would be the place for you to go... but I think you are pretty young and cant drive the hour or whatever it takes to get there right? Maybe take something close by now and when your a little older and able to go out of town you could do that.

Carbon: well if you watch a couple of 3rd or 4th drgree TKD artists competing for the worlds championship you wont actually see them do any jumping or flying kicks. They are going full speed and contact and dont usually risk anything too fancy. However, they are both experts in the same martial art and know exactly how to take advantage of each other if one of them screws up a high jumping kick so it just isnt worth risking when trying to become world champion. Technical kicks for street defence are best left to the experts. The problem with TKD is EVERYONE thinks they are really good and competent, even when they are REALLY bad and slow. This is a generalisation but its true enough. The only people that should ever use a technical jumping kick in a street defence situation should be someone that can kick as fast as a jab punch and hard enough to take your head off. Only a small percent in TKD can do the flashy kicks that well....everyone else should never even consider using them.

By the way.... in TKD terms, Van Damme kicks as slow as molasses. I've never seen him move very fast in his movies when executing his kicks.

Nightingale : I Have to disagree with you, and I know this is just based on your experience so I'm not arguing with you just pointing some thiings out. You cant compare Kenpo's kicking ability to TKD. TKD works hour after hour on kicking, kicking, kicking.... were as Kenpo is more complete by having training in multiple ranges. You take someone with 4 years TKD and someone with 4 years kenpo and the TKD guy is going to have better kicks because it is almost all hes worked on for the past 4 years while the kenpo guy has been working on other things as well. I've also trained with Kenpo guys and they always marvelled at my kicking ability and then would show me all kinds of great stuff that was outside my limitted knowledge as a great kicker because I had only worked on kicks..... this was many many years ago. But I would rather take Kenpo for self defence if given the choice between a traditional TKD school and a Kenpo school.

I can use my own school as an example, I no longer teach TKD the way I was taught. I incorporate everything I've learned from various martial arts that I think is important and I always give credit to that art. What this means is that my students are by far not as good kickers as my colleagues students are in TKD. This also means that when I have a visiting student from a nearby TKD school they look like begginers when I'm showing them how to knee or elbow strike. Time put in = expertise in whatever you use that time training. That visiting student had awesome kicks though!

Fanged seamus: TKD jams by closing the gap between bodies to nullify your opponents kick while he is executing it towards you. If I did that to a Muay Thai guy he would clinch me when I jammed him and he would then knee and elbow me while throwing me around by my neck. Was there another type of jamming you were referring to? Like stopping an opponents kick by pushing their leg at the hip with your foot before they fully execute their kick?

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[fanged_seamus]

Originally posted by Damian Mavis

Fanged seamus: TKD jams by closing the gap between bodies to nullify your opponents kick while he is executing it towards you. If I did that to a Muay Thai guy he would clinch me when I jammed him and he would then knee and elbow me while throwing me around by my neck. Was there another type of jamming you were referring to? Like stopping an opponents kick by pushing their leg at the hip with your foot before they fully execute their kick?

As a rule of thumb, we're taught "linear beats circular." A straight front kick, aimed at the hip, groin, or thigh of a guy doing a Muay Thai roundhouse to unbalance him meets this rule. That's what I meant by "jamming." I imagine you'd have to catch it EARLY, too, since those kicks have tremendous momentum.

Hope that clarifies what I meant.

Tad

[Damian Mavis]

Yes thats exactly what we train in Muay Thai, that kind of "jamming" is part and parcel of the art. It also prevents him from clinching and keeps him off balance.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Carbon]

Kaith hehe this kid is very small and has a large lack of muscle. He is small and it would be hard for him to generate the type of power that you talk about from a grown adult which I am assuming who you were sparring with.

I am just saying what he said, that the fancy kicks that he can do can't generate the type of power he wanted.

Yes you may say that he lacks in technique, but is it true that a 10 year old could have perfect technique but lack the power of an adult? So can you say that technique isn't always what your lacking?

[Bob Hubbard]

heh. I've got a nephew whos 8 who packs a punch....but you have a good point. Theres a reason why alot of these guys are built like brick-outhouses.... theres the mass behind the shot.

Ive noticed the lighter guys move faster, the heavier guys hit harder though. Less gets thru the defences, but less has to.

The age/size is something to consider.

:asian:

[Kenpo Wolf]

Originally posted by nightingale8472

I've taken both TKD and Kenpo....

From my experience (with 2 different TKD Schools, and 3 kenpo schools) is that TKD will teach you how to kick. TKD will teach you how to kick well. Kenpo will teach you how to kick just as well, and more importantly, kenpo will teach you WHEN to kick.



Awesome quote except that I have never seen a kenpoist kick as well as as a well trained tkd guy . I have to put it in my notebook but where do I direct the credit

BTW, Great thread. A lot of good info without too much needless banter. Keep it up

[Master of Blades]

Hapkido for crying out loud! as far as Im aware you learn more kicks and a lot more useful things like Sweeps and so on cuz I dont think your allowed to do them in Tae Kwan Du. But if you dont have a Hapkido place around then Tae Kwan Du. I dont think you'll like it tho cuz it sounds like theres too many restrictions for your kind of style.

[Carbon]

This might be off topic but I always liked the ground sweeps performed in movies.

Like when they kick high and a general spin around go to the ground and sweep their back heel. This always seem'd cool but was too much coreagraphed and it would take alot of timing to pull it off.

So that might be off topic but was cool to think about, I think you see this in Ninja movies alot.

[arnisador]

Originally posted by fissure

There's nothing like 'buying into stereotypes', to help with the spreading of miss- information.

I think it's a fair question. TKD has a lot of jumping kicks; why?

It may be a mistake to assume they're meant for combat use as opposed to building attributes and for demonstrations, but the basic question is fair I think.

[arnisador]

Karate styles are very varied. Some have a fair amount of kicks--I believe Wado-ryu is an example--and others very few, like Isshin-ryu or Uechi-ryu. Can you say what styles of karate are available to you?

Northern kung fu is known for its kicks but in my opinion they're often a bit flowery/fancy. Southern kung fu kicks much less as a rule.

TKD is a kicking art and so is a good place to learn how to kick. I've seen both types of TKD schools--weak fancy kicking from sports-schools and "knock you out of your socks" kicks from traditional schools. I agree that if Hapkido is available--and it often is at TKD schools, so check--it will have good kicks that will definitely be powerful.

Without knowing what type of karate you're talking about, I'd have to say go with the TKD.

[fissure]

Carbon:

He says that TKD has alot of fancy kicks and he knows all of them, but they lack the ability to generate stopping power

I am just saying what he said, that the fancy kicks that he can do can't generate the type of power he wanted

I would like to know where are you going to use all the jumping kicks they have?
He says.I am just saying what he said. ...all the kicks they have.
arnisador, firstly it gets to me when someone forms oppinions based apon second hand info.
As to jumping kicks - There are jumping versions of the basic kicking tech.Most are never used in sparring.The exception is the jumping back kick.However the kick doesn't send the kicker leaping into the air as most would like to believe.Rather the support leg only comes a few inches off the ground, and the momentum created by the jump/rotation is directed
into the opponent.The impact that can be created when this tech. is used correctly has to be experienced to be understood.

[Carbon]

Funny how you quoted what I said, and then in a cowardly manner turn to arnisador for approval of your pet peve?

I'm sorry if you don't like what I say. I'm not forcing you to read it, the reason I asked about what he said was to prove or disprove what he was saying.

Sorry that I wanted to know more information about a style that he used to study.

If you are afraid to be offended maybe you shouldn't experience life.

[Bob Hubbard]

Guys, keep it friendly huh?

Sometimes all we have to go on is 2nd and 3rd hand info...we come to places like this looking for more direct information from those in the know...sometimes its hard to seperate the BS from the true knowledge...esp. when many think they have the knowledge when its in fact BS. I've seen some 'demonstrations' that literally had me in stitches...they were -that- funny.

This isn't directed at anyone, just a general observation, so please no one take offence from it.

Lots of good info in here, so lets keep it flowing.

Thanks. :)

[sweeper]

ok, judo kid if you don't mind telling us, where do you live?

I tohught you said you lived in the kent valley.. if so bellevue/kirland should be 30 minuets or so, and there is at least one (edit: mauy thai) school in federal way wich would be right over the hill from you.

[fissure]

Posted by Arnisador:
I think it's a fair question. TKD has a lot of jumping kicks; why?
The fair question part was in reference to your post Carbon, and my retort to you.Hence my qoute of what you had said and why I had responded in the way I did.
Arnisador was defending you, I reponded.I didn't
turn to arnisador for approval , he asked me about the context of my post.
If you beleive I'm a coward that fine.Maybe one day you will have the oppertuninty to tell me that to my face.

[fissure]

By the way Carbon, the tone of our conversaton was much more enjoyable in the 'Punching' thread.
If you look at the progression of the posts here, I think you will understand the reason I phrased my post to Arnisador the way I did.
I still don't like people making judgements on styles/concepts without having experience in them.It's not that I'm offended, I just feel that if you do this you do yourself a disservice.You close a door without even looking through for yourself.
I don't think I have ever been called a coward before in my life.I guess that the 'beauty' of the internet.:D

Kaith, I've also seen many humorus demos.Some of the best involved 'bendy, glowing sticks'.
But like you,I'm not directing this at anyone in particular.
:)

[Kirk]

Originally posted by fissure

I've also seen many humorus demos.Some of the best involved 'bendy, glowing sticks'.

In what capacity? Like a [musical] forms demo or something?

[fissure]

Yes. It's important ,I think, to remember that most demos. are done to entertain the crowd.Flashy,spectacular movements do this well.athey usually don't represent MA at all.

[Damian Mavis]

Carbon, he didnt really say anything that bad towards you and you turn around with fists flying and call him a coward.....chill out young one, try not to repsond to everything by tearing their heads off. Once you get angry you always respond like 3 times worse than the original perceived insult.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Carbon]

Maybe because I don't have the luxury of no longer producing testoserone in my body like some of the older gentlemen here.

Lol, someday I'll say it to your face, after you just said its the internet and your here threatening a minor. Its funny how you think fighting will solve anything.

If your so disciplined from your MA then you should understand that an insult means nothing as I already have this concept at hand and I may sometimes respond in a aggressive manner but I do not threaten anyone with physical harm.

This is just my opinion on the matter and I'm free to post my opinions thats the general idea I get from this forum.

[Damian Mavis]

????

I'm sorry I didnt understand your last post. Were you talking to me? Because I'm trying to figure out if you just threatened to cause me bodily harm or you are insinuating that I did that to you. Please clear that up for me.

Damian Mavis
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[Cthulhu]

Mod. Note

Please keep the discussion polite and respectful.

Cthulhu

-MT Mod.-

[Damian Mavis]

Ack I see now that he was talking to Fissure I guess, but i don't see were he threatened a minor anywere.

Damian Mavis
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[Carbon]

Um, I'm a minor. Him implying that I wouldn't be calling him a coward if I was face to face with him is pretty much saying that he would attack me.

Or else I would see no other reason why I wouldn't call him a coward to his face unless I was in fear of getting into a confrontation with him.

[Damian Mavis]

Ya I know your a minor....how could I forget. I didn't think of what he said as a threat, more like a point that people are alot meaner on message boards than in real life. I bet your actually a nice kid in person.

Damian Mavis
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[Kenpo Wolf]

DAMN!!! Just as I complimented about this being such a good thread, it all goes to hell. I should have kept my big mouth shut so it would'nt be jinxed

Back on Topic, which is which style between tkd, kenpo or karate has the better kicks. Since the karate style was not specified, I would say that tkd has the most flashy kicks while kenpo has the most realistic ones. I'm not dissing tkd, as I think I said before, because I do love their kicks and wish I can do some of them. But since I'm not built that way, I make do with my kenpo and muay thai which are awesome styles.

[KennethKu]

http://cub.wsu.edu/wsutkd/web/tkddemo.wmv

[Damian Mavis]

That demo movie was all clips of WTF style TKD. Looked pretty nifty though.

Damian Mavis
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[KennethKu]

Yes it is WTF as all college TKD is WTF due to the Olympic representation.

I am sure you are familiar with this clip, as almost all ITF members would. :)

www.comdo.com/images/opening.mpg

[Damian Mavis]

College? Was that a clip of a Korean college team or something?

Damian Mavis
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[KennethKu]

That WTF clip is hosted by Washington State University TKD club.

Those are obviously Korean nationals in the clip. THe clip must have been produced by WTF in Korea.

[Damian Mavis]

I didnt see were the clip was from, I took some ITF TKD in University so was a little confused.

"I am sure you are familiar with this clip, as almost all ITF members would."

No I had never seen that clip but I have trained and hung out with a few of those guys in the video.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[J-kid]

Cool clip ,

[Carbon]

Thank you again Dr.Damian for trying to psycho analyze everyone you meet.

How do you think you can contimplate the vast personality's of everyone on earth if you can't even differenciate the words were and where.

[KennethKu]

Mr Marvis is well known in the ITF . And yes he does know many of the people in the ITF clip.

[fissure]

Carbon
1: I didn't know you where a minor, but I suppose I should have from your posts.
2:If I were going to threaten someone, I would simply do it.I mearly stated that if you were in front of me you wouldn't be calling me names - and you wouldn't.Infer what you will.
3:Is it possible that your "know it all attitude" is the problem?After all you seem to be having a similar problem on 2 threads with both me and Damian.Neither of us seems to like you telling us that what we do , is wrong, bescause of something you read.Try your theories out for yourself - then you will have a real world point of view.
Your trying to tell a carpenter the "right way to buid a house', based on what you read in a book.Meanwile he's been actually building houses for several decades.
4: you are so completley and utterly wrong about MT shin blocking, that disscussing it with you is pointless.
5: did you notice that there were 7 or 8 posts about something completely different, by 3 other people and then you lept right back in on Damian?i.e.
Thank you again Dr.Damian for trying to psycho analyze everyone you meet.

I'm sure that one of the helpful moderators will warn about 'playing nice', right after my post to Carbon as they have after Damian's posts to him.Strange considering Carbon is the only one calling people names.

[arnisador]

Originally posted by fissure

I'm sure that one of the helpful moderators will warn about 'playing nice', right after my post to Carbon as they have after Damian's posts to him.Strange considering Carbon is the only one calling people names.

Warnings to individuals are sent by PM and/or e-mail. Warnings in threads are meant to bring down the general heat level and may be supplemented by private warnings. It's very unlikely that a mod. warning triggered by all participants in a thread but in most cases it is directed at all participants in a thread. We hope that those to whom it does not apply are not offended.

We also encourage our members to ignore--possibly using the Ignore feature, which automates the process--any user they find annoying.

-Arnisador
-MT Admin-

[Carbon]

Lol what names have I called anyone?

Nice job insulting my age thats always shows how narrow minded you are.

I wasn't even talking about ITF?

Also if it doesn't matter what I think and what I say why are you replying to my posts just furthering the arguement?

The sayings true it takes two to argue. So who is more wrong me for initating an arguement or you for arguing with me?

[Damian Mavis]

KennethKu, Carbon is referring to me thinking fissure wasn't threatening him. Therefore I'm a pompous ass for trying to explain what I thought Fissure meant. Thanks for the reply though, do you by chance peruse the ITF message board?

Oh Carbon, I just read your post after I first typed this. Your statement of who's at fault, the initiator of an argument or the one that argues back at him is a good question. Let's equate that to someone who starts a fight in real life, someone walks up and punches another guy in the nose.... now is the guy who fights back to defend himself at fault or is the blame solely placed on the shoulders of the initiator?

And Carbon..... why are you insulting me about my spelling mistakes? You have made tons of mistakes in the past and no one has ever brought it up except back when you first started posting here and you would type everything (full of mistakes) in one huge paragraph that was impossible to read. So uh.... whats the dealio man?

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Bob Hubbard]

Enough. If theres anything left to be said about the technical fragments of this thread, please feel free to start a new thread.

In the mean time, I'm locking this.