Interesting Video Clip (http://media.putfile.com/stoppit_000156)

Interesting. What's the purpose of the spoken parts? Just to focus your intent (and maybe use something in english rather than yelling "shout"?) :)

Interesting Video Clip (http://media.putfile.com/stoppit_000156)

Oh stoppit. :)

A new dance Stopit, what a craze.
Terry

Interesting concept. I like the idea of contiunally trying to withdraw even as one is attacking. This is a very good strategy from a legal point of view. Witnesses certainly are going to hear a certain message.

He has clearly added some concepts from the RMCAT and F.A.S.T. First of all he is using a modification of ready stance for streets that is less aggressive than a typical fighting stance yet leaves the hands and body in a better position to defend then just standing straight on.

Secondly he is using open hands strikes to the face, due to the significant risk of injury to the hands when striking with fists to the face.

Thirdly the word stopit would have to two functions.The first as noted above is put your actions as being more defensive for witness. The other reason is that people under stress hold their breath and verbalizing or even growling or screaming prevents you from holding your breath.

I can see the legality of continually telling the person to stop as you pummel them. That way witnesses can testify that you were continually asking the person to stop.

Vic
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Giving a command and reinforcing it with pain is a common technique, I believe--LEOs use it too.

Thirdly the word stopit would have to two functions.The first as noted above is put your actions as being more defensive for witness. The other reason is that people under stress hold their breath and verbalizing or even growling or screaming prevents you from holding your breath.

Great... if I am ever attacked I can scream like a little girl... afterwords I can claim it was really only so I wouldnt hold my breath!

:D

Interesting Video Clip (http://media.putfile.com/stoppit_000156)Learn anything?

Interesting concept. I like the idea of contiunally trying to withdraw even as one is attacking. This is a very good strategy from a legal point of view. Witnesses certainly are going to hear a certain message.

yeah, i'll have to agree with you. Beat the crap out of the guy, act as if your fighting for you survival by saying "stop it", even though you may possess knowledge and experience far greater than his. HaHa, don't be surprised if you see some guy hitting some bystander and shouting "stop it"!

It truly is an interesting video clip. The self protection actions were ok by me, except for real quickly towards the end the attacker grabs him near his neck, or on his shoulders near his neck or something. I can't tell if its a choke or what. His response was to remove his attackers hands with his own hands. Against a big, strong, powerful grip that might be hard to achieve.

I say "attack with your armpit", by shooting your arm directly across the front of your body, above the attackers arms. Get the attackers hands and fingers clinched between your body and arm. Then sink and spin.

That black belt female looked pretty sharp. I was a little hung up on the instructor having both hands down on one tech, but thats to be expected.
Sean

I was a little hung up on the instructor having both hands down on one tech,

Just as an FYI thats Hayes, just in case you were unaware.

That black belt female looked pretty sharp.

Whenever I have seen Stephen Hayes and Rumiko doing stuff on video, I always thought she looked better than him. But it could be the fact that often he is talking/demonstrating, and shes just doing techniques.

What the ...??? I am truly at a loss for words.


Mrs. Hayes does appear to be the sharpest one of the bunch.

Hayes has been working with this concept for a while. I went to a seminar back in '92 or '93 which combined his go-dai techniques with phrases like "Stop!"

Whenever I have seen Stephen Hayes and Rumiko doing stuff on video, I always thought she looked better than him. But it could be the fact that often he is talking/demonstrating, and shes just doing techniques.

I have trained with them on a few occasions and I can say from experience that Rumiko is considerably better than Stephen, her movement is more natural.

Markk Bush
www.bujinmag.com

Learn anything?


Of course :boing1:

I have trained a lot with both Steve and Rumiko. I would much rather have Steve backing me up in bar fight so to speak. Rumiko has good technique but Steve has both the power and technique and I have seen him use it.

I have trained a lot with both Steve and Rumiko. I would much rather have Steve backing me up in bar fight so to speak. Rumiko has good technique but Steve has both the power and technique and I have seen him use it.

Apparently you have never been hit good by Rumiko. lol, Either way, good luck with that.

Markk Bush

It truly is an interesting video clip. The self protection actions were ok by me, except for real quickly towards the end the attacker grabs him near his neck, or on his shoulders near his neck or something. I can't tell if its a choke or what. His response was to remove his attackers hands with his own hands. Against a big, strong, powerful grip that might be hard to achieve.

Krav Maga uses this same concept. Combined with a simultaneous knee strike, this move is very effective.

Mike

Apparently you have never been hit good by Rumiko. lol, Either way, good luck with that.

Markk Bush

Sure have. I am not saying she is a wimp. I just prefer power and technique,not just technique. By the way did you ever train at the "the barn" in Germantown. Your name sounds familiar.

Sure have. I am not saying she is a wimp. I just prefer power and technique,not just technique. By the way did you ever train at the "the barn" in Germantown. Your name sounds familiar.

Nope never made it to the Barn in my SKH days, I was going to go for that training session before they tore it down but I was on the other side of the country.

Markk Bush

Just thought I might add, for those who do not know, that this is white belt technique and concept. "Earth" level stuff. So obviously it is intended to be basic.

But it's good basics, in terms of self defense. Establishing boundaries, using loud verbal commands, and assuming a non-threatening posture...etc, all good.

A lot of martial arts and artists neglect this, or only pay lip service to it. Trainers like Peyton Quinn, Tony Blauer, Geoff Thompson, and to a lesser extent, Hayes, have done a lot of good by making this type of training more common. I just wish the intensity level of clips like this was a little more 'alive'...

I think whoever uploaded this to putfile thought it more silly than beneficial. Which is too bad, as Hayes has some good material.

This reminds me of when people put clips of Soke on the web and people try and critique his movement saying its not real. If they only knew...


:ninja:

Soke's movements aren't real, they're just an illusion.

This reminds me of when people put clips of Soke on the web and people try and critique his movement saying its not real. If they only knew...


:ninja:

Yeah, Steve and Soke are very similar. For instance, they both have grey hair!

Spooky, no?

Yeah, Steve and Soke are very similar. For instance, they both have grey hair!

Spooky, no?Yeah and you both have the same first name... illusions, illusions....

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Yeah and you both have the same first name... illusions, illusions....

:ninja:


Yeah! That means I'm as good as Soke. stephen(me) = Stephen(K.H.) = Soke by the transitive property of taijutsu!

Good Point!

Yeah! That means I'm as good as Soke. stephen(me) = Stephen(K.H.) = Soke by the transitive property of taijutsu!

Good Point!ummm....:idunno:

:ninja:

I have trained a lot with both Steve and Rumiko. I would much rather have Steve backing me up in bar fight so to speak. Rumiko has good technique but Steve has both the power and technique and I have seen him use it.
From what I've seen of Steven K. Hayes when he demonstrates his fighting ability, me too. his ground work is phenominal. he can (as I imagine many shihan can) adapt the techniques he learned to work in any position. Do Gaeshi on the ground when pressed against a wall....awesome.

I have trained with them on a few occasions and I can say from experience that Rumiko is considerably better than Stephen, her movement is more natural
I'm no expert (not by a long shot) but Rumiko seems to have beautiful movement. very very fluid like it should be. of course, I've never seen her in person but whether in person or on dvd, my eyes work the same.

I love this clip! I had the privledge back in 95 or 96 right, after I started training, of stopping by SKH's Dojo in Dayton and participating in a class. Rumiko was teaching and Stephen was popping in and out of the office area during the session and offering tid-bits as he saw them passing through. As a lowly white belt the situation was lost on me, but I did get the opportunity to practice a take-down on both of them. Watching Rumiko move reminds me of a big cat moving through the forest, smooth as silk, but dangerous. At the time they were also using "stop!" during the training.

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