police abuse

[hand2handCombat]

i live in Los Angeles, CA and i seen police brutality on a handcuffed 16 year old, his head was slammed into the trunk then he punched in the face. the guy who recorded it is in jail now. who knows what the cops done before the guy statrted rolling the tape.

as a MAist, what would you have done if this was you?

[Kirk]

Originally posted by hand2handCombat

i live in Los Angeles, CA and i seen police brutality on a handcuffed 16 year old, his head was slammed into the trunk then he punched in the face. the guy who recorded it is in jail now. who knows what the cops done before the guy statrted rolling the tape.

as a MAist, what would you have done if this was you?

I hate to say it, but I would've taken the beating, regardless of
my skill level. Ya never know if there's a camera there or not. And
if you go to court with a bunch of bruised, broken cops in casts
there to testify against you, it's NOT a good sight!

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[hand2handCombat]

Kirk,

the joke made me laugh my a$$ off, boy was that funny

[Kirk]

heheheh .. thanks ... 1 down, 750 to go. *sweat*

[Nightingale]

I'm giving all parties involved in this the benefit of the doubt. We have no idea what happened before the tape started rolling.

[hand2handCombat]

We have no idea what happened before the tape started rolling.

ok, lets say something happend before it did, they should have taken action then. not take it when he's handcuffed. its not fair.

besides, what could have he done that was so bad, that he got a beating. its racial, because it happened to another black guy.

[Yari]

Originally posted by nightingale8472

I'm giving all parties involved in this the benefit of the doubt. We have no idea what happened before the tape started rolling.

I live in Denmark, so I've only heard it mentioned on the news. I havn't seen the video.

But I have to agree with nightingale8472. No one knows execpt the invovled parties what has happend before hand; 5 min. or a day before.

There are a lot of 'what if's' in this.

Now I just want to state that I dont agree on beating up on people.

/Yari

[LanceWildcat1]

hand2handCombat:
i live in Los Angeles, CA and i seen police brutality on a handcuffed 16 year old, his head was slammed into the trunk then he punched in the face. the guy who recorded it is in jail now. who knows what the cops done before the guy statrted rolling the tape.
as a MAist, what would you have done if this was you?



The first thing that I'll do is to wait until the whole story comes out, before jumping to conclusions. I heard that the kid kicked one of the cops pretty hard in the groin, but don't know for sure. If he did, the mistake the police made was doing what they did in broad daylight, instead of a dark garage! I, by no means, am condoning what the cops did, however! They are supposed to keep their cool in all sorts of situations, and this was one of those situations. However, given the history of the L.A. Police Department, I think that what they did was unprovoked. But, I will wait until the whole story comes out, if it ever does, before making a judgement. On the surface, it looks like a classic case of police brutality, in all its ugliness! :mad:

[Nightingale]

on the surface, it looks like police brutality. however...
what if, after being cuffed, the guy tried to run? that would explain the slamming on the hood of the patrol car... and of course, the police's actions could have been totally, completely without cause.

I'm giving BOTH parties the benefit of the doubt until I know the whole story.

[tshadowchaser]

I will not say anything onthat incident but I will say that I had an officer take about 14 punches at my face because I refused to let him search me without telling me what he was looking for. Yes there where whitnesses. No, it was not a LA cop but one from Orangre, county (anaheim, Garden Grove area)
NO he never touched me but he got so frustrated he did pull his weapon. AND NO I did not strike back I only fended off his attack with as little damage to him as possible.
If they dont like you your a dust to them. and they look at anyone not a cop as a criminal. At least in Southern Calif.

[tshadowchaser]

Now that I have made my statement about SO. Calif. police, let me say that I have instructed police and law enforcement personal in other states. Not all officers are abusive,and mean. It's like any other profession, there are good, bad, and indifferent officers.
Without knowing all of the actions taken by each party in an incident it is verry hard to tell what really happened and what lead up to events that are only partily captured on film.

Shadow:asian:

[arnisador]

I haven't seen more than a brief clip from the video of the arrest. The whole story is always more complicated. One has to be patient.

[hand2handCombat]

your probably right, based on a small clip like this. but its very hard to give the benefit of the doubt when it happend to another guy who happned to be black. but i understand your perspective on this.

[GouRonin]

Originally posted by hand2handCombat
i live in Los Angeles, CA and i seen police brutality on a handcuffed 16 year old, his head was slammed into the trunk then he punched in the face. the guy who recorded it is in jail now. who knows what the cops done before the guy statrted rolling the tape.
as a MAist, what would you have done if this was you?

Not much you can do. Police do an art called, "Lotsa guys fu" which invloved them all piling on top of you. However when a guy is cuffed and custody a few shots to the head just can't be justified. But we'll have to see. If he gets covicted of a crime then he does. Police are held to a higher standard due to their job. It's part of the responsibility we entrust them with when we give them the badge and gun.

As for the guy who shot the tape being arrested. Well he had a warrant out for his arrest. Of course the police didn't bother executing this warrent before when he was taping prostitutes for them to prosecute because then it was profitable for them. However when the tape shows up on the evening news and everyone sees it then I suppose that you shouldn't have an excuse for not serving the warrant now would you?

[Eraser]

Kirk...

You must have watched the movie Dogma a few times to remember that quote.. LOL:rofl:

[Yari]

Originally posted by Eraser

Kirk...

You must have watched the movie Dogma a few times to remember that quote.. LOL:rofl:


I saw the movie, and loved it, but can't remember the quote your reffering to.

/Yari

[Seig]

Originally posted by hand2handCombat

i live in Los Angeles, CA and i seen police brutality on a handcuffed 16 year old, his head was slammed into the trunk then he punched in the face. the guy who recorded it is in jail now. who knows what the cops done before the guy statrted rolling the tape.

as a MAist, what would you have done if this was you?
Very simply, I would not have put myself in that situation.

[Kirk]

Originally posted by Yari




I saw the movie, and loved it, but can't remember the quote your reffering to.

/Yari

The quote was only the plattopuss part. The rest was all mine
baby! ;)

It's at the VERY beginning, before you ever see a character.

[Damian Mavis]

Ok lets say they just arrested Manson, or Hitler or whatever the frick.... once they are handcuffed they are NOT supposed to be beaten regardless of their crimes. The slamming on the hood is no big deal as far as I'm concerned but punching the guy in the face while his hands are cuffed behind his back is waaaaaay past the line and that officer acted criminally, regardless of his reasons.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[FUZZYJ692000]

How ironic I should find this thread today when last night a friend that has become my adopted brother almost called to let us know that he was beated by an Athens, GA cop the night before.

While at a party he had gone outside w/a friend and the door locked behinded them. From outside he tried to get his roommates attention inside by yelling for him. Since Athens is a college town there are always parties and cops on the weekend. A cop came up behind him and put him in a choke hold and pulled him around to the back side of the building where he then started hitting and beating him with his club and a clipboard, that way he would not leave hand marks on him!!!! The cop then arrested him for drunkeness. Now I've gone out w/this friend when he has been totally wasted and never has he ever become violent in any way, just loud, and wanting to have a good time.

I can't even express how upset I am at the fact that this happened. My friend ironicly is going to college to become a lawyer, and the most trouble he's ever been in with the law is having a speeding ticket. Yes, he has taken legal action and has filed against the cop. I must say that before this I would say that I would be just upset in the way that the cop acted on the video mentioned, but now I am really enraged that someone can take their powers and abuse there powers like that. Sure sometimes it is nessessary but when it hits that close to your family and home you see it in a different light.:angry:

[LanceWildcat1]

Just one comment here. It is interesting to me that the only one's that seem to get filmed are when a black person is being the subject of police brutality. You never see any film of the white guy's that get the hell beat out of them. Makes me wonder if the press is only interested when it's a black person getting the beating. Why don't they get as interested when the victim is white. I abhor the idea of a group of policemen that can't control one suspect without bloodshed or punching the suspect AFTER they have control over the suspect. I also abhor the idea that it is only the poor 'minorities' that get publicity over cases of police brutality. It isn't like a white man never got a beating during an arrest. I know that for a fact, because I was one of those white men that got a beating. In my case, I was drunk and stupid. I paid my dues(2 weeks in jail) to society for my 'crime'. I accept that what I did was stupid, but did not deserve the response from the officer's that I got. I was friends with the sheriff at the time, and asked him afterward just how prevelant this action was by the police. He wouldn't give me an answer. I didn't really expect one-only asked to see if he would be honest and tell me that he did or didn't condone what had been done.:eek: :eek: :mad:

[Siegfried]

You people do know that the guy who got his head slammed into the hood of the patrol car and his face punched resisted arrest. And while doing so cut the police officer's face with his long girlish nails and pulled on the officers balls with all his might. I think the police officer acted with a lot of restraint, considering how much pain he must have been in.

[tshadowchaser]

Haveing delt with the police in So. Calif. I'll say that the head slam is a favorite technique. Its kind of their way of saying HELLO
On a personal note When someone is cuffed and obviously under control by numerios officers unless the prisoner is biteing or kicking or maybe grabbing your groin he is UNDER control and any action taken by police that results in injury to the prisoner after he is cuffed and under control is assult and battery if not attempted murder (depending on the serverity of the beating)

Am I saying that some prisoners dont deserve to get the s*** kicked out of them NO i'm not I was just stating a view on brutality.
Shadow
:asian:

[GouRonin]

Originally posted by Siegfried
You people do know that the guy who got his head slammed into the hood of the patrol car and his face punched resisted arrest. And while doing so cut the police officer's face with his long girlish nails and pulled on the officers balls with all his might. I think the police officer acted with a lot of restraint, considering how much pain he must have been in.

You do know that not everyone arrested by the police is guilty of a crime.

You do know that once a subject is subdued that any further physical force is assault.

How about you go back and think about this one.

[Kirk]

Yes, let's all cry out for the abomination of the treatment of
criminals! Dammit, because the victims just don't matter! What
matters is how those that commit crimes terrorizing innocent
people get treated! Let's all stand up and cheer that in today's
court of law it is illegal for the victim or the victim's family to
testify about how the crime has effected them. And let's all ignore
the fact that when criminals were treated like criminals, chain
gangs existed and prison was just a little bit ROUGH on people
that crime wasn't as rampant then as it is today. :mad:


Originally posted by LanceWildcat1

It is interesting to me that the only one's that seem to get filmed are when a black person is being the subject of police brutality. You never see any film of the white guy's that get the hell beat out of them. Makes me wonder if the press is only interested when it's a black person getting the beating. Why don't they get as interested when the victim is white.

Maybe it's a matter of numbers in L.A. county? L.A. county has
a reputation for being racist. The L.A. riots didn't happen because
ONE black man got beaten down, it's because so many have, and
yet again, the court system let down an entire community (or so
felt the citizens of that community), and let them go. Need I
remind you of Mark Furhman? Testified in court under oath that
he wasn't racist ... then a tape was presented by him of not
only saying the N-word a billion times, but also saying the
most hateful, elitist things. So how many videos have come from
there, showing a black person being assaulted? Let's play the
odds here ... if the accusations are correct, that there are a lot
of racists among the L.A. County Sheriff's department, then you
would have to concede that a number of black men or women
are getting beat down. Let's say 100 a month. That being the
case, since they're racist, then possibly only 1 white person per month would be beat down. What are the odds that you'd come up with video of a black man getting beat down, instead of a white man? Easy math to me:soapbox:

(Edited at request of user. -Arnisador)

[GouRonin]

Originally posted by Kirk
Yes, let's all cry out for the abomination of the treatment of
criminals! Dammit, because the victims just don't matter! What
matters is how those that commit crimes terrorizing innocent
people get treated! Let's all stand up and cheer that in today's
court of law it is illegal for the victim or the victim's family to
testify about how the crime has effected them. And let's all ignore
the fact that when criminals were treated like criminals, chain
gangs existed and prison was just a little bit ROUGH on people
that crime wasn't as rampant then as it is today.

Sure. So anyone who gets arrested should be beat on. Why? Well heck, they're getting arrested! What other reason would you need? Heck, don't bother letting them get a trial either because that wouldn't matter. I say we just have roving gangs of thugs that beat people they think are doing illegal things.

Sounds good to me. That is until I suppose it's you they assume have done something wrong.

[fist of fury]

Originally posted by GouRonin



Sure. So anyone who gets arrested should be beat on. Why? Well heck, they're getting arrested! What other reason would you need? Heck, don't bother letting them get a trial either because that wouldn't matter. I say we just have roving gangs of thugs that beat people they think are doing illegal things.

Sounds good to me. That is until I suppose it's you they assume have done something wrong.

Kirk isn't condoning police brutality, he's address the problem we have brought on by the politcally correct bunch. Criminals have more rights than victims they should get a fair trial, but if they are found guilty than they are scum that should be punished. Most criminals aren't worried about jail they'll get out soon enough for good behavior any way. Assuming they serve any jail time at all and don't just get a slap on the wrist. Most scumbag criminals aren't afraid of jail anymore it's more of a vacation for them. Of course I maybe somewhat biased sice some piece of $!@@@ broke into my house. For thier personal health and safety they better hope I never find out who it was whether they're 14 or 40 I still beat the crap out of them.

:soapbox: :angry: :sniper:

[Kirk]

Resisting arrest IS a crime. Assaulting a police officer IS a crime.
Sometimes it's just flat out obvious.

[GouRonin]

Fist, I have no problem with criminals that have been convicted of a crime dealing with harsher and more realistic punishments.

Kirk, sure resisting arrest is a crime. A minor one. One a person is arrested though that's it. Just because a guy assaults a cop doesn't give the cop any more of a right to beat him when he's already under arrest and subdued than I have to beat a guy once I have been assaulted. In fact the cop has less in the way of rights because he's held to a higher standard because we gave him a badge and a gun to enforce the law, not dish out what he thinks is appropriate. That part of the law ISN'T his job.

If a guy wants to resist arrest then by all means he's aware of what is coming to him. Once he's downed and cuffed it doesn't allow for a circle boot. Once that starts then you'll have people resisting arrest because they know what will be coming next.

[Kirk]

Originally posted by GouRonin

If a guy wants to resist arrest then by all means he's aware of what is coming to him. Once he's downed and cuffed it doesn't allow for a circle boot. Once that starts then you'll have people resisting arrest because they know what will be coming next.

Good point .. but I'm tired of mamby pambies (heheh .. I love that
word) worrying more about criminal's rights the their poor wittle
heads than the victims. You're right, they're not the jury, and
they shouldn't be. But don't look to me for sympathy, if a
murderer happens to get beaten by a cop.

[Siegfried]

Originally posted by GouRonin



You do know that not everyone arrested by the police is guilty of a crime.

You do know that once a subject is subdued that any further physical force is assault.

How about you go back and think about this one.

Hey, GouRonin, why don't you have somebody pull on your balls and see how you react. You're probably going to want to kick some a$$. The officer is still human and reacted violently when put in that situation, as would most of us with balls. Sometimes there are people that are arrested that are not guilty of a crime. But when you get arrested, resist arrest and/or assault a policer officer, that is your crime. How about you go back and think about this one.

[GouRonin]

Originally posted by Kirk
Good point .. but I'm tired of mamby pambies (heheh .. I love that word) worrying more about criminal's rights the their poor wittle heads than the victims. You're right, they're not the jury, and they shouldn't be. But don't look to me for sympathy, if a
murderer happens to get beaten by a cop.

I have to admit that "Mamby Pamby" is a great phrase. Heh heh heh...

The point is, the guy isn't a murderer until he's been convicted. That sounds bad and in some cases people know the guy/gal is guilty. Should a cop come into a person's home and lump up a battered woman who killed her husband because he abused her daily for years and she saw no other way of getting out?

She killed him. She admits it. People maybe even saw it. The guy probably deserved something, maybe even he deserved to be killed. That's a whole other issue. But I'd freak out if I saw the police break the door down and lump her up because she was a murderer.

The law says we should let 10 guilty men go free before we punish one innocent man. I have to admit that I'm a little tired of the 10 guys getting off more than not but if we're going to do this we have to be equal across the board.

The police are responsible to us the people. We give them that responsibility. The entire US of A was founded on this concept of freedom and the people having certain rights. The police are held to a higher standard because we GIVE them those powers to do what they do. To abuse those powers and have us do nothing about it makes us nothing more than sheep.

Personally I think it's great that there are the two sides fighting about this. They keep each other in check and watchdog each other.

[GouRonin]

Originally posted by Siegfried
Hey, GouRonin, why don't you have somebody pull on your balls and see how you react. You're probably going to want to kick some a$$. The officer is still human and reacted violently when put in that situation, as would most of us with balls. Sometimes there are people that are arrested that are not guilty of a crime. But when you get arrested, resist arrest and/or assault a policer officer, that is your crime. How about you go back and think about this one.

I don't care if he stabbed him in the nutz with a q-tip. Once the guy is under arrest and cuffed and down it doesn't give the cop the right to beat on him. Sure he's human. I wouldn't react to favourable either. Doesn't matter. It's illegal to do. He can ***** and moan about it but he's still under the same legal system that the rest of us face. It's called assault. He'll have to deal with the same consequences. If you can't understand that well then it really isn't my fault.

Resisting arrest is a crime. A minor one. Assulting a police officer is a crime. Not so minor. However these things occur BEFORE the arrest. Also getting arrested is not a crime. I have no clue what gave you that idea. There are certain rules on conduct regarding arrest. I can lip off to my heart's content if I want. The police cannot punch me in the face to shut me up. If they do, it's assault. Are you understanding this more now?

Sure I can see the cop being mad. I don't blame him. What I blame him for is lack of restraint. He broke the law because he couldn't show some restraint and he'll deal with the consequences. It isn't the cop's place to deal out punishment. The kid broke the law and resisted arrest and assaulted an officer. That will be added to his charges to face in court. The cop however can face his own charges in court because he %$#@ed up and it's his own fault. It's a little easier to tell the judge, "Well it may look like I'm slamming him on the hood of the car your honour, but really we just had to move him there and he came down kinda hard." than it is to convince the judge that you just "...had to punch him in the face because he resisted arrest 10 minutes earlier."

[tshadowchaser]

Im not up on how long an officer in the LA county police force has to work the jail befor going on the streets but when I left so. calif. in Orange, county (aniheim,etc) the officer had to spend 6 years working the jails befor he went into the streets. After 6 years in that place they look at everyone as a criminal.
Some( not all) police are just plain mean. Some are decent people just doing a job and trying to stay alive.
I've been assulted twice by police. Once when I was just out of high school and a little drunk. The officers didn't really like smart mouthed college kids so the used there flashlights on me for a while. the other time has been mentioned already. BUT I am still friends with many officers and train with some of them on occasion.
The inviroment that they work in (in the large cities) is not the same as that of the ones in a less populated area. Many of these guys put their life on the line every day they put on the uniform. Given any job events and circumstances add up over a period of time till some people blow up, the hope is that the blow up is a singular occurence and noty a habit.
Are the courts to forgiveing on the criminal i think so but then again I addmit that if someone broke into my home I'd most likely get arrested when they came to take him to the hospital.
ok off my :soapbox:
Shadow:asian:

[GouRonin]

Cops are people. People are good and bad and come in all sorts of ranges. I say take each one individually as a person not as a whole and hope for the best.

[Kirk]

Originally posted by GouRonin

Personally I think it's great that there are the two sides fighting about this. They keep each other in check and watchdog each other.

No argument there.

[dearnis.com]

Someone, I believe Edward Abbey, once wrote that brutal work tends to produce brutal people. Police use of force will always be an issue because officers are routinely placed in impossible situations, expected to make split second judgements, second-guessed by millions if a camera is in the right place, and, to make things interesting, take a wild guess at the amount of training the average officer receives inunarmed or less-lethal combatives.
The mere fact of someone being in handcuffs does NOT mean that they are under control. The Inglewood case is really pretty simple; IF the offender grabbed the officer's groin the reaction was; in my view, correct. If not, well, there you have it.
Officers are human, and have limits. There are bad officers; there are officers who make decisions than few of us can fathom (ie the New York case currently in the courts again).
FBI stats indicate that over 90% of arrests are made without any force beyond officer presence (no, I dont have a better number than that); also note that 90% of cases where force is used involves white male offenders (also FBI stat; no I dont have the link handy).

[Kirk]

Originally posted by dearnis.com

Someone, I believe Edward Abbey, once wrote that brutal work tends to produce brutal people.

I don't buy that. Before felons had cable tv, playboy
subscriptions, workout rooms, steak dinners, and had to work,
make furniture, license plates, work on chain gangs, etc, there
was a lot less repeat crimes.

Start caning violent juvenile offenders .. see how many return for
another ass whoopin'.

I hung around bad kids when I was little. A lot of them got
arrested for petty theft, vandalism and the like. These were
friends of mine .. they'd say "hey we're all going to go do such
and such illegal activity", and I never went. Why? Because if
my old man caught wind of it, he'd beat my ass three shades of
red. I wasn't afraid of hurting his feelings, disapointing him,
or hurting him in anyway whatsoever .. I was afraid of an
ass whoopin', plain and simple. I had friends that were with me
on the "well you guys go, have fun" bandwagon, for the very
same reason. And contrary to namby pamby belief, I'm not more
prone to fighting, never was. I didn't grow up to hate my father.
I love and respect him more than you'll ever know, and I'm
GRATEFUL for everytime my dad tanned my hiney as a kid.
Because I damned sure wouldn't be sitting here at my desk in
a civil service job with great bennies, a loving wife, and the most
adorable baby girl in the northern continent (I'm biased). I'd be
sitting in jail, a member of some gang, with prison tattoos,
missing some teeth, and soliciting conjugal visits via the internet
as I sip my iced tea, and flip through my playboy mag.

:soapbox:

[arnisador]

Originally posted by Kirk

Yes, let's all cry out for the abomination of the treatment of
criminals!

That isn't the issue here. It's the treatment of the accused. The police arrest suspects. The courts decide of they're criminals. In other words, at the arrest stage it's too early to beat on them.

[arnisador]

Originally posted by GouRonin

I say we just have roving gangs of thugs that beat people they think are doing illegal things.

I saw that movie (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0113492).

[Rob_Broad]

In Canada the Criminal Code states an officer may arrest by any force neccessary, which actually means the least amount of force to get the person subdued. Unfortunately there are people who resist arrest, and they can be dangerous to the arresting officer, bystanders and themselves. I am not advocating police brutality but if I had to punch a suspect and knock him out for my safety there would be no second thought. One of the duties of a police officer that people rarely think of is to go home at the end of their shift.

Police officers in Ontario get 13 hours of unarmed combat training at the Police Academy and must take a 4 hgour refresher course every other year. We do hold them to a higher standard but we must rmeinder they are people just like the rest of us first and foremost. I say bring back the Tazer and light them up like a Christmas Tree and we will have fewer cases of police abuse.

[DWright]

I have had the experience of testifying at excessive force cases, and have watched this incident with great interest.

I have watched this tape repeatedly, and watched the officer accused. I would like to hear his side of the story.

Watch the clip very closely. This officer is standing straight up, then doubles over rapidly, then slams this guy to the car. The suspects hands are handcuffed behind him at the officers groin level. Judge I think we may have a defense.

I can hear it now. "members of the grand jury. I slammed mr. so and so the the car to force him to let go of my groin, when he didn't, I punched him. I could not pull away because........"

This is only speculation. However I have sat on many cases that were first tried in the media, that had a reasonable explanation. I have also seen cops out of line.

Don't overlook what you can't see. Watch the tape again keep your eyes on the officers bodylanguage. Gentlemen, do you move like that when someone nails you in the groin?

Just my point of view. I wasn't there so I don't know the whole story.

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by hand2handCombat

i live in Los Angeles, CA and i seen police brutality on a handcuffed 16 year old, his head was slammed into the trunk then he punched in the face. the guy who recorded it is in jail now. who knows what the cops done before the guy statrted rolling the tape.

as a MAist, what would you have done if this was you?

H2HC,

Did you see the whole event from start to finish? In Person???

I one of my previous jobs that was required more physical interaction then my current profession. I called the cops to deal with someone, I had a 'feeling' about. This punk was high on so many things it was hard to believe he was alive. Well when the cop showed up he tried to run. No biggie,
but straigh inot a locked door. The door one round one. He then tried to hide. Cop walked right up to him. He then calmly walked outside with the officer. Where he then proceeded to attack the cop. He bit him once in the thigh, just missed the testical, bit the officer in the kidney region, and he also bit him on the neck/shoulder. This is not to mention the scrathes and hits the officer was taking. This all happened before I could get outside and lend a hand. After a couple of minutes, (* seemed like a life time *), I was able to hold the guy for a couple seconds for teh officer to ask for assistance. When the other squad cars came in, a beating took place. I rolled up into a ball and did not move. Did the cops do anything to me until the first officer could identify me? No, I was not a threat. Finally after standing on the punks head while in the parking lot, they were able to get cuffs on him. Note: He had bit the other three cops, etc., ..., . One just said enough is enough. Once they had the cuffs on him, they tried to get him into a car. A faught back again including kicking him. He kicked an officer in the face, the officer instinctively let go of him, as did the others based on his cue. The punk fell to the ground, his head hit the door jam of the car on the way down. NOte: He was calming for this but still not out. He finally agreed to get into the car if they would stop standing on him.

Now is you had seen the 'wrong' 30 second video tape of this one could assume that a bunch of cops were beating a hand cuffed man.

Sorry for the :soapbox:

Rich

[RCastillo]

Originally posted by Seig


Very simply, I would not have put myself in that situation.

Add to that, carry on you, and read your ACLU Cop Busters card. Stay silent, and comply. Always be smarter than the next guy!:asian:

[samuraijack]

this is a very complicated issue. I myself as a martial arts instructor teach non aggressive attitudes to my students on the other hand i as a police officer myself, i do understand that alot of times there's a long history between the criminal and the officer and the public may not understand what went on behind the scenes. but to awnser the question what would i do? i would never recommend anyone interfering in a arrest situation, regardless of your skill level, your not a super hero sent out to right the wrongs of our society, and you could end up in serious legal trouble that is concidering that you don't get shot during this whole thing. if the officers are indeed doing something wrong and someone has it on tape then that is a differant story, but the police have a hard enough job trying to stay alive and come home to our families without citizens taking it upon themselves to enforce any wrong or presumed wrong situations

[arnisador]

Seems sensible samuraijack. It's easy to forget that the police collectively have dealt with these situations many times, gained much experience by trial-and-error, and codified that in standard procedures they follow which are likley to be the wisest course of action, considering all exigencies and also legal issues. A civilian bystander wouldn't know what these were.