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A while ago I posted that this was one of my favorite pressure points to strike because it has the potential to cause blindness, this was disputed I now have a video to back up my claims so here it is
**note this has been edited I could not figure out how to put the video on here so that you can see it.**
Epson
10-11-2005, 10:54 AM
Hate to say this, but could those guy have found their nitch for making money, on people.
shesulsa
10-11-2005, 11:01 AM
Hmm.
Just curious ... could you give a brief summation of your escalation of force leading to a strike to TW23?
The Kai
10-11-2005, 11:05 AM
Great Post
Love the Clip, I think it about time we brought the whole idea of mysterious pressure point strikes intoi the lime light
Any other clips that you can't post?
arnisador
10-11-2005, 11:31 AM
If you can't see the video, it's because the technique worked--you're blind!
I assume that you mean a temporary blindness, ppko? Can you put the video on a web page and post the link?
searcher
10-11-2005, 12:07 PM
Sorry for being late to the discussion, but what claim was made for this pressure point?
The Kai
10-11-2005, 12:34 PM
iT HAS MADE US ALL BLIND
Flying Crane
10-11-2005, 12:41 PM
A while ago I posted that this was one of my favorite pressure points to strike because it has the potential to cause blindness, this was disputed I now have a video to back up my claims so here it is
**note this has been edited I could not figure out how to put the video on here so that you can see it.**
How is watching a video going to convince me that the hapless assistant has gone blind? I mean, even the actor who portrayed the great master Po in Kung Fu was not really blind. He was just an actor!!
arnisador
10-11-2005, 01:03 PM
Al Pacino was medically blinded for his role in Scent of a Woman, then had the procedure reversed.
Or to put it another way...it'll take a study in the NEJM to convince me that a person is blinded by a pressure point hit. Stunned and the eyes closed, sure. Blinded only, though? I can't see it (no pun intended!).
Bob Hubbard
10-11-2005, 01:15 PM
A while ago I posted that this was one of my favorite pressure points to strike because it has the potential to cause blindness, this was disputed I now have a video to back up my claims so here it is
**note this has been edited I could not figure out how to put the video on here so that you can see it.**
Supporting Members can post videos.
Martial Tucker
10-11-2005, 01:19 PM
Or to put it another way...it'll take a study in the NEJM to convince me that a person is blinded by a pressure point hit. Stunned and the eyes closed, sure. Blinded only, though? I can't see it (no pun intended!). The Bubishi (Bible of Karate) lists 36 vital striking points. TH2 (hand) and TH17 (jawbone) are included, but no mention anywhere in the book about TW23, or
any vital point which might result in blindness if properly struck.
Since TW23 is less than 1" from the eyeball itself, a hard strike in this area could certainly cause sufficient trauma to the eye itself or the orbital bone which surrounds the eye to cause loss of eyesight. This leads to another question: since TW23 is so close to the eyeball anyway, if you wish to cause blindness in an opponent, why not just attack the eyeball directly?
I only know of one technique (other than an eye gouge) which has been reputed to cause blindness, but when I was 13 my parents told me not to try it.....:rolleyes:
Flying Crane
10-11-2005, 01:37 PM
I only know of one technique (other than an eye gouge) which has been reputed to cause blindness, but when I was 13 my parents told me not to try it.....:rolleyes:
Medical studies have disproven this technique as well.
Xequat
10-11-2005, 01:53 PM
ppko, you're killin' me! Send me the link via regular email and I'll try to post it for you. That's hilarious...you must have hit me pretty good in TW23 because I can't see the video either. It sucks that that was the first post because you can't erase the whole thread.
Since TW23 is less than 1" from the eyeball itself, a hard strike in this area could certainly cause sufficient trauma to the eye itself or the orbital bone which surrounds the eye to cause loss of eyesight.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I understand it. I've heard what ppko's saying and that was the reasoning for it. It's probably just like striking a pp around the knee will release the knee better than striking the knee directly. Attacking an eyeball can be resisted, especially if it's only a strike, but constant pressure acn damage an eyeball. ppko is big on strikes, though, so a blinding strike would suit his style more that a pushing technique. Depends on the situation, I guess.
The Kai
10-11-2005, 01:56 PM
Medical studies have disproven this technique as well.
As well as independent research
If you can't see the video, it's because the technique worked--you're blind!
I assume that you mean a temporary blindness, ppko? Can you put the video on a web page and post the link?No actually this was on Fox sports network and the guy had to go through emergency surgery to save his sight. It is a basketball game the player didn't like the call and hit the ref. I actually have a friend working on putting this clip on a website right now as I am a computer idiot.
The Bubishi (Bible of Karate) lists 36 vital striking points. TH2 (hand) and TH17 (jawbone) are included, but no mention anywhere in the book about TW23, or
any vital point which might result in blindness if properly struck.
Since TW23 is less than 1" from the eyeball itself, a hard strike in this area could certainly cause sufficient trauma to the eye itself or the orbital bone which surrounds the eye to cause loss of eyesight. This leads to another question: since TW23 is so close to the eyeball anyway, if you wish to cause blindness in an opponent, why not just attack the eyeball directly?
I only know of one technique (other than an eye gouge) which has been reputed to cause blindness, but when I was 13 my parents told me not to try it.....:rolleyes:LOL, yes you are right orbital bone is one of the weakest in the skull as it connect on both sides annd it is also a hollow bone. YOu bring up a good point on attacking the eyeball, I will do it but it has to present itself and this also looks better to people could look just like an accident.
[QUOTE=Xequat]ppko, you're killin' me! Send me the link via regular email and I'll try to post it for you. That's hilarious...you must have hit me pretty good in TW23 because I can't see the video either. It sucks that that was the first post because you can't erase the whole thread.
[QUOTE]done hopefully you can post it. To everyone I am sorry I couldnt post the video hopefully this will be resolved soon.
Brother John
10-12-2005, 11:15 AM
No actually this was on Fox sports network and the guy had to go through emergency surgery to save his sight. It is a basketball game the player didn't like the call and hit the ref. I actually have a friend working on putting this clip on a website right now as I am a computer idiot.
Hey Bro.
I've seen that clip. Now.....while I'm a believer in TCM and the use of pressure points (I am), I know the clip you are talking about. The ref's optic nerve was pinched by a swelling in the muscles behind & around the eye.
Not that what you are saying (accessing the Trip.Warm. 23) won't cause a persons eyes to go whacko.... that I really don't know!
But in that clip it was much more "mechanical failure" than anything else.
Your Brother
John
arnisador
10-12-2005, 11:34 AM
Ah, this sounds like a reasonable explanation! I was wondering if it was that or a burst blood vessel somewhere.
DavidCC
10-12-2005, 12:40 PM
optic nerve was pinched by a swelling in the muscles behind & around the eye.
I suppose it is possible that a strike to TW23 could cause this...
Brother John
10-12-2005, 01:04 PM
I suppose it is possible that a strike to TW23 could cause this...
I really don't know.
But I do know that massive blunt-force trauma to the eye socket will (like when the ref's head careened off the floor like a basketball)
or
when the eye becomes dislodged and there's a torsion (sp?) to the eye muscles.
Your Brother
John
Xequat
10-12-2005, 02:30 PM
Figures. As soon as I offer to post it, I kill my computer. Give me a day or two to fix it, but I did get the file OK. You might try resubscribing to MT because I found out the hard way too a few weeks ago that mine had run out. I talked to Bob and he said that there's suppposed to be an automatic message sent to you when your subscription runs out, but that he had to get it fixed.
mj-hi-yah
10-12-2005, 02:34 PM
As well as independent researchOMG it works I'm going blind! :supcool:
The Kai
10-12-2005, 03:29 PM
So..you have a athletic, strong individual slamming a guys head onto a hardwood floor? That ppko or no touch?
Hey Bro.
I've seen that clip. Now.....while I'm a believer in TCM and the use of pressure points (I am), I know the clip you are talking about. The ref's optic nerve was pinched by a swelling in the muscles behind & around the eye.
Not that what you are saying (accessing the Trip.Warm. 23) won't cause a persons eyes to go whacko.... that I really don't know!
But in that clip it was much more "mechanical failure" than anything else.
Your Brother
JohnDidn't know that is what happened just what the clip said, if anyone seen the "Real World" Austin in the first show a guy got his orbital bone broke and the Dr. said that he had a good chance of going blind if you watch closely it is right TW23 at the right angle and direction. (What I am refering i not light touch but pretty hard hitting)
arnisador
10-13-2005, 12:36 AM
Yes, breaking bones is a whole different thing. No one doubts that a strike can blind a person, I think.
Yes, breaking bones is a whole different thing. No one doubts that a strike can blind a person, I think.Yeah the reason that I am posting this is because people did not believe me 5-6 months ago when I posted that a strike to TW 23 has the possibility to do that.
The Kai
10-13-2005, 07:56 AM
If you hit someone hard enough to break a orbital bone does'nt strike as pressure point striking
Martial Tucker
10-13-2005, 10:24 AM
If you hit someone hard enough to break a orbital bone does'nt strike as pressure point striking
Yeah, I agree...If you strike hard enough to break the bone that surrounds the eye, causing trauma to the eye, it's hard to say the pressure point had much to do with it. Now, if you could show me a pressure point where, if struck, blindness would ensue without apparent physical damage to the eye or area immediately around it, I would be more accepting.
Almost like if I claim that a strike to the philtrum will cause death, and then punch someone in the mouth, and they fall and hit their head on the sidewalk and die, and I say "See....I told you the philtrum was a lethal strike point".
If you hit someone hard enough to break a orbital bone does'nt strike as pressure point strikingI agree with you on this but in order to have your best results ie best chance of getting the break you must go the right angle and direction, and that happens to be at tw23 and the correct angle happens to be the corrrect one for the point. good point you brought up though.
Brother John
10-14-2005, 12:12 AM
OK...
I'm of the opinion that when a Kyusho is activated that the end result Can be explained through physiological functions. Such as the Vegal (sp?) response causing a great many of the knockouts from having struck certain points...etc.
SO....this particular hit to TW-23, what would the Physiological Mechanism be that could explain the (temporary?) blindness?
Just wondering.
Your Brother
John
Xequat
10-14-2005, 01:08 PM
Valid file extensions: avi doc gif jpe jpeg jpg mov mpg pdf png psd txt wmv zip
This file is an mpeg and I got an invalid file type error, so it wouldn't let me post it. I'll try to download a file converted from cnet or something and change it to one the valid file types and see what happens. I never really knew there was a difference between an mpeg and an mpg, but I guess there is.
arnisador
10-14-2005, 02:14 PM
I think you can just rename it to *.mpg, can't you?
searcher
10-14-2005, 04:27 PM
OK...
I'm of the opinion that when a Kyusho is activated that the end result Can be explained through physiological functions. Such as the Vegal (sp?) response causing a great many of the knockouts from having struck certain points...etc.
SO....this particular hit to TW-23, what would the Physiological Mechanism be that could explain the (temporary?) blindness?
Just wondering.
Your Brother
John
John, basically what you are having here is a blunt-force trama to a tract(the optic nerve). It would be similar to any heavy blow that went to the head whether or not it is to a specified pressure point or not. Since tracts are basically extensions of the brain it could send an overload of electrically shock to the brain that would in turn tell the brain that there is a major ammount of damage to the eye. This could potentially cause the brain to shut down the use of the eye to allow for repair and not continue damage through use. The other option is that it could be causing the head to "bounce" so hard that there is a slight swelling of the brain. This could also cause the temporary loss of vision. These things happen all of the time where someone gets hit in the head and they have some short term vision loss. It does not have to be a direct shot to TW-23. The body has somee pretty funny ways of shutting down areas of the body to limit the damage to a specific area that may or may not have received a direct hit. I am not by any means an expert, so take what I say with that knowledge in mind. The key word in my statement is "could" because there is no guarentee that what I stated is what is happening to cause the blindness.
This is all just my opinion.
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