Ladies you are cooking in the kitchen when a violent incident occures (dosen't matter if its an intruder or a family member or a drunk friend you are under attack)
What are your options , your offenseve weapons , your ways of stoping this attack.
What do you do ,use, Not use ?

Shadow

It depends on the amount of offense needed. If it's someone I don't know, I'll go straight for the butcher knives. If it's a drunk friend or something, a metal spatula will probably do the trick. Or a wooden spoon; Dag, those things hurt! Heh.

Oos - :asian:
Quinn

Come on ladies lets hear your thoughts the guys are staying away from this one so far dont let them control all the posts

Shadow:asian:

Pre Kenpo I would of answered this by utilizing most likely knives .. Now I am at the stage where I would use my skills.. along with a weapon that wouldn't be in turn used on myself ..if the attacker got it away from me.. such as a knife..
So dependent on what I was doing in the kitchen.. where I was standing.. by the sink. .hot water sprayed in the face.. by the stove cooking.. "toss the pan of whatever at the attacker*.. Flying a dinner plate frisbee style at their throat.. goodness the list goes on.. any kind of aerosol spray is a good weapon.. rolling pins.. forks.. etc etc.. if the guy attacks me near the stove.. and I get ahold of his hand or whatever. .down to the hot burner he goes.. Garbage disposal would make mincemeat outta his hand.. Ok. .I'm getting really gory here.. but I think you get the idea :)

Tess

Originally posted by tshadowchaser

Come on ladies lets hear your thoughts the guys are staying away from this one so far dont let them control all the posts

Shadow:asian:


Does this mean you WANT men to stay away? Can do, if that's
what you want.:asian:

No kirk I dont want the guys to stay out of it but I wanted to give the ladies a few days to respond. It is a womens self defence thread and I had hoped more would reply.

Tess has the right idea as far as I'm concerned. What ever is available and at hand. A hot frying pan works quite well (dont ask it was mistaken idenity and surprise)

If we dont get a lot more of the girls responding by the 6th i'd like the guys to start with ideas Heck we get in the kitchen once in a while;)
Shadow:asian:

Originally posted by KenpoTess

Pre Kenpo I would of answered this by utilizing most likely knives .. Now I am at the stage where I would use my skills.. along with a weapon that wouldn't be in turn used on myself ..if the attacker got it away from me.. such as a knife..
So dependent on what I was doing in the kitchen.. where I was standing.. by the sink. .hot water sprayed in the face.. by the stove cooking.. "toss the pan of whatever at the attacker*.. Flying a dinner plate frisbee style at their throat.. goodness the list goes on.. any kind of aerosol spray is a good weapon.. rolling pins.. forks.. etc etc.. if the guy attacks me near the stove.. and I get ahold of his hand or whatever. .down to the hot burner he goes.. Garbage disposal would make mincemeat outta his hand.. Ok. .I'm getting really gory here.. but I think you get the idea :)

Tess
Which explains exactly why I stay out of the kitchen!:eek:

I agree with Kempo Tess. Actually, I'd try to stay away from the knives because it could too easily be used on me. I would try to use my Aikido skills. However since I'm stil pitiful at Aikido, I probably would use hot water or anything on hand that could damage but not really be lethal if I couldn't reach the guy or if I thought I wouldn't be able to do a technique.

Robyn :asian:

OK gentelmen your turn what do you do

When I worked in a kitchen, and I had a window for the customers to watch me, it also allowed me to watch the customers. Sometimes the teenagers would get excited and physical.

On one such case, I ran out of the kitchen with the chopping knife in hand. I was yelling at people to stop fighting pointing the knife as I talked. The knife had their attention and they calmed right down.

Using what is in your hand, or at hand is the best. If you have flour or sugar available, use it to throw in their eyes.

When I moved from being the Restaurant manager to the Park Manager, I was filling the coin changers. I was carrying four bags of $500 quarters, Two bags on each shoulder. I was approached from behind and had a young man stick something in my back and say 'Stick em up and drop the bags.' I did so. Unfortunately for the jokester, two of the bags dropped on his ankle, and it broke. While screaming in pain, he was asking my 'why? did I drop the bags on his ankle?'

Using your environment, is the key to survival. Being aware of your environment is the key to being able to use your environment.

Just my thoughts

Rich

Originally posted by Rich Parsons

Using what is in your hand, or at hand is the best. If you have flour or sugar available, use it to throw in their eyes.

I agree--just throw something at them! Distract them! It doesn't have to be something that'll hurt them--slow them down and distract them and buy yourself some time. Of course, if it is something that'll hurt them, so much the better.

In most parts of the U.S., just dialing 911 will get police sent to your home, even if you don't give the address. They'll detect it automatically and send someone to check. I would make grabbing the phone, punching 9-1-1, and throwing it at them (if there isn't time to talk), a priority. Then help will be on the way. Announce it loudly too--"I'VE JUST DIALED 911! THE POLICE ARE ON THEIR WAY!" Consider also calling down a hallway, "Mike! Tommy! Someone's in the house! Help!" if you think the assailant is not fully committed to the attack.


Using your environment, is the key to survival. Being aware of your environment is the key to being able to use your environment.

Excellent advice. You can't emphasize being aware of one's environment strongly enough.

Originally posted by KenpoTess

Pre Kenpo I would of answered this by utilizing most likely knives .. Now I am at the stage where I would use my skills.. along with a weapon that wouldn't be in turn used on myself ..if the attacker got it away from me.. such as a knife..
So dependent on what I was doing in the kitchen.. where I was standing.. by the sink. .hot water sprayed in the face.. by the stove cooking.. "toss the pan of whatever at the attacker*.. Flying a dinner plate frisbee style at their throat.. goodness the list goes on.. any kind of aerosol spray is a good weapon.. rolling pins.. forks.. etc etc.. if the guy attacks me near the stove.. and I get ahold of his hand or whatever. .down to the hot burner he goes.. Garbage disposal would make mincemeat outta his hand.. Ok. .I'm getting really gory here.. but I think you get the idea :)

Tess

Wow!!! I can't even think of where to start with this one now, I think Tess did an excellent job. Before hand I was thinking knife, but what she said made so much sense. You defanetly changed my mind on what to use. I really liked the frisbee thing I don't think I would have thought of that. I must say excellent advice and tips.

Originally posted by tshadowchaser

OK gentelmen your turn what do you do
Hide behind Tess!

Originally posted by FUZZYJ692000



Wow!!! I can't even think of where to start with this one now, I think Tess did an excellent job. Before hand I was thinking knife, but what she said made so much sense. You defanetly changed my mind on what to use. I really liked the frisbee thing I don't think I would have thought of that. I must say excellent advice and tips.


Thanks Jani :)

I think one should go through their home periodically making sure they are really familiar with potential weapons, not just in the kitchen. How many movies have we seen where the woman is attacked in her bedroom or bath while taking a shower/bath.
Attackers usually plan on 'cornering' their victim where they are most vulnerable. It may sound peculiar but when I'm alone in the house and taking a shower.. not only are all my doors locked at all times.. but I lock the bathroom door.. and if someone did get in.. Hot scalding water sprayed. (provided you have a shower attachment) Even bathroom spray (kept in with the shampoo in the tub for that purpose) would temporarily blind someone. the list again goes on.
I'm not going to rely only on my MA Skills if attacked in my home or hotel .. arm yourself with something to your advantage..
Purses (even though I don't carry one.. most females do) keep a can of pepper spray or equivalent where it's easily accessible. you can make your own using Cayenne.. or hot sauce in a squirt gun. . Vinegar in a squirt gun is nasty as is Lemon juice.. use your imagination to your advantage :)

Never assume you are not at risk.. too many women are injured and worse just because they allow themselves to be vulnerable.

Hey all...

Forget the knife... and give me my CAST IRON FRYING PAN.. anyday of the week!!!!:D

The other day my friends came over and wanted to go out and do something. I said I'd ask my wife because she had said earlier that she might have plans.

Imagine 3 martial artists with years of training under their belts slowly walking towards the kitchen with 2 of them behind me pushing me and trying to sorta hide behind me at the same time as I ask my wife if it's ok if I go out with my friends.

I don't care what art you practice. My wife will take you out if you cheese her off.

I relate verrrrrryyy much to the Iron frying pan hot off the stove. It's an experence you only want to have once. It's even worse when she tells you to clean the kitchen afterwards.

Shadow:D

I do believe that the C.I frying pan was the best weapon ever invented...;)

Tonight while watching the new Law & Order where they have live cases they follow through the court system I noticed something.

This woman had been raped and during her testimony she said she was hit so hard but this guy that she was seeing stars. Then she went on to say that she had been in martial arts a long time and never been hit so hard.

That struck me as kinda odd. I'd really like to know her martial arts background but I suspect i'd just be disappointed.

I wouldn't touch a knife... if a knife isn't already in the equation, I'm not going to add one. an attacker may not notice a knife if I don't draw his attention to it, and I'd rather have no weapon than one I'm not sure of how to use... I have had enough knife training to know that I am deadly accurate with a throwing knife from the other side of the room. however, if an attacker is already a few feet from me, I wouldn't have the time or space to throw, and I am not trained in close quarters knife combat. I'd rather use my hands and my head than a weapon I'm not sure of.

Anyone think to use the salt or pepper shakers. Can you get enough out of one to be effective . or maybe just use them as a short hand weapon

salt, yes. aim for the eyes. salt flows out of a shaker very easily pepper grains are larger, so probably not as effective unless you could remove the plug from the bottom of the shaker first.

Or even better, grab the crushed red pepper and let loose in the eyes!

Hey,

That's a good idea.. next time I swing my C.I frying pan.. i'll make sure to have the food fly into the face of the attacker as well.. im sure some salty eggs or greasy burgers will help my cause...
ROFL.. (yes I know im a smart-ass):rofl:

Yes the hot grease works wonders for wakeing someone up:D

It's bad enough to get hit with that dar hot pan and have to explain the burn to someone else:rofl:

A cup of hot coffee to the face is a good start. Whenever I have used it blinds long enough to get a few extra shots in which is all is needed really. But also if you look at it it gets the person the time they may need to get away.

Again, as I stated earlier. That woman who was a lifelong martial artist gave up after one punch to the face and got raped. "I have been doing martial arts for 20 years. I have my black belt. I have never been hit like that." What does that say about her state of being prepared? There is a mental aspect to the martial arts that you cannot learn off video or 2 times a week at the local strip mall McDojo.

If you are not mentally prepared to throw hot grease at your attacker's face you won't. If you're ready to defend yourself then you will.

Originally posted by GouRonin


If you are not mentally prepared to throw hot grease at your attacker's face you won't. If you're ready to defend yourself then you will.

Well stated Gou and I couldn't agree with you more. It is one thing to know your techniques and show your stuff in the dojo, but one must also be prepared outside the dojo and aware of their surroundings. :asian:

Well... I.C. Frying HOT pan is a excting idea, but becareful when you use it.
Once, when I was using I.C. Frying pan cooking teaks, I forgot (these things happen sometime when you are in hurry) to use oven mitts for the handl; gosh, it was hurt. OUCH!!! So, before you touch the hot pan for whatever the reason, be aware, I am not making up here. :-)

BTW, Tess, thank you for your wonderful ideas, which really opened my eyes.

If you are in the kitchen, and you have reason to believe that your attacker means to do you (and possibly other family members) very serious harm, not picking up a knife (assuming that you have even a basic familiarity with that weapon) seems pretty odd to me. Anyone who is afraid that the bad guy is going to take it away has probably never been involved in sparring sessions in which one person has a training knife and the other is unarmed. The person without the knife invariably is at a much bigger disadvantage than they would be otherwise. Disarming the knife user (without getting cut) is inevitably difficult, and if a _real_ knife would be even harder to get away from a determined individual. If you try to grab something and your attempts result in sudden pain and lots of bleeding, it does not exactly encourage further attempts. In fact, one might well decide to run away.

In addition, while I have heard the "never use a weapon because they are easy to take away to use against you," I have seen little evidence that this is a major danger in a real fight. I suspect that those who say such things are unusually afraid of a particular weapon, or weapons in general, and want to rationalize not having to use one. I fail to see how, all other things being equal, an unarmed person has an advatage in a fight. If they did, cops wouldn't be issued billy clubs or similar weapons.

Also, you're in a _kitchen_. If they attacker wants a knife, they are not exactly in short supply in that part of the house. He has easier ways of getting one than trying to take it out of the had of someone who may be trying to slice them up!

I should mention that I believe that if using a weapon is called for, whatever is best should be used. It could be hot grease or boiing water, flour, a heavy cutting board, oven cleaner, ice or oil dropped on the floor in your attacker's path, or any number of other things, _including_ a knife.

Felix

Ok Let's revive this :)

My wife, while 7 months pregnant, was assailed in our house about 8 years ago. The assailant tried too come in through the open kitchen window. The first thing she did was to get our (then) two little boys in the back bedroom and came out to face him. She went right past the knives to the window unarmed to slug it out. (Bronx girl) and he was unable to get in. There's obviously a good deal more to the story, but maybe for another time.

Good for her! I'll keep my search bots looking for the rest of that story.

I actually had to stop an intruder from coming in the window once. Only it was the Bedroom and in addition to being unarmed I was unclothed! In hindsight, it was a really defensible position. My attacker had to worry about climbing, and I just had to get him pushed back out with as much damage and force as possible. Three quick shots to clear and then I was pulling the window shut.

The next morning I started bracing that window shut with a metal bar, determined exactly where I'd set it aside when the window was opened, and trained a few times on grabbing it up during a rush to the window.

I've heard keeping hairspray handy can be good. I'm a bit of an opportunist, myself. I'll grab what I see that can be of good use- frying pan, decoration, seasoning of some sort, anything to strike or poke at sensitive areas (if can use fast, and not turned against me before I have a chance).

I have to agree with most of the responses. I think my first reaction however would be to turn to my own martial arts training. But there is always a face smash with the wooden cutting board. And if that doesn't work I can call on my killer cat. On the other hand, an attacker would have to be a real fool to try to break into a house full of martial artists all of who are certified balck belts.

In the kitchen there's always the hot fry pan including contents, teakettle, frozen items, flour and sugar salt and pepper are always out on the counter, cleaning spray, detergents. Pan lids can help shield a little against a knife or blunt weapon attack. Radio is right there, toaster, plenty of furniture in the next room over to blockade with, etcetera.

The knives are right there on the counter, so I figure I'm grabbing one cuz intruder might as well, since they're in the open.

Priority one is the safety plan - the kids have to be secured.

My wife, while 7 months pregnant, was assailed in our house about 8 years ago. The assailant tried too come in through the open kitchen window. The first thing she did was to get our (then) two little boys in the back bedroom and came out to face him. She went right past the knives to the window unarmed to slug it out. (Bronx girl) and he was unable to get in. There's obviously a good deal more to the story, but maybe for another time.Wow Gemini that's quite a story. I want to hear the rest...no time like the present...what else happened? Please tell her whatta woman!:)

Wow Gemini that's quite a story. I want to hear the rest...no time like the present...what else happened? Please tell her whatta woman!:)

He had cut the phone lines, so there was no calling for help. After the failed attempt at the window, he managed to come in through the back patio door on the lower level and she met him again on the steps coming up. The neighbor had seen him and called the police. They followed him in through the back and took it from there.
He's still in prison. Parole got denied just 2 weeks ago. What a shame.
She's pretty tough, but she was just protecting her babies. Nothing any other woman here wouldn't have done under the same circumstances. I was (and still am) amazed at how she responded.

Wow, Gemini! Clearly the guy had horrific intent. Right on Bronx girl!

A ginsu knife.

I've heard keeping hairspray handy can be good.

Especially if you have a lighter to apply to it :ultracool !!!!!!

But seriously, I'll use anything I can get to. The surroundings determine my response.

-Flamebearer

He had cut the phone lines, so there was no calling for help. After the failed attempt at the window, he managed to come in through the back patio door on the lower level and she met him again on the steps coming up. The neighbor had seen him and called the police. They followed him in through the back and took it from there.
He's still in prison. Parole got denied just 2 weeks ago. What a shame.
She's pretty tough, but she was just protecting her babies. Nothing any other woman here wouldn't have done under the same circumstances. I was (and still am) amazed at how she responded.WOW thanks for sharing! What a woman! :jedi1: I'm glad his parole got denied...

Flamebearer I never would have thought of using a lighter with hairspray...I see where you get your user name! :ultracool

I got the following story when I got home the other day.

While it was luckily nothing (a very confused bird made a very wrong turn into our balcony window), my wife (who trains at my school) heard the loud sudden thump against the glass while she was cooking.

She immediately grabbed the very hot serving ladle that was in the miso soup, and the rather menacing food-prep knife, and THEN went to see what happened. Being armed first is a nice thing, and I'm happy to know that her first responses were solid (even happier both she and the bird are ok).

Also, while it wasn't the kitchen, this recent story did go to show how advanced planning can be a good thing:

While we were both out walking the dog a couple of nights ago, somebody very unaware of what they were doing came around a corner by crashing through some bushes towards us. Because of the noise, by the time he could see us (and he was surprised just by that), my wife had dropped back into a defensive position and had out some pepper spray we keep on the leash, I had her forward corner "covered" by position, and had drawn my knife into my forward hand. Boy, I'll say he probably won't go through that corner the same way again. ;-)

I got the following story when I got home the other day.

While it was luckily nothing (a very confused bird made a very wrong turn into our balcony window), my wife (who trains at my school) heard the loud sudden thump against the glass while she was cooking.

She immediately grabbed the very hot serving ladle that was in the miso soup, and the rather menacing food-prep knife, and THEN went to see what happened. Being armed first is a nice thing, and I'm happy to know that her first responses were solid (even happier both she and the bird are ok).

Also, while it wasn't the kitchen, this recent story did go to show how advanced planning can be a good thing:

While we were both out walking the dog a couple of nights ago, somebody very unaware of what they were doing came around a corner by crashing through some bushes towards us. Because of the noise, by the time he could see us (and he was surprised just by that), my wife had dropped back into a defensive position and had out some pepper spray we keep on the leash, I had her forward corner "covered" by position, and had drawn my knife into my forward hand. Boy, I'll say he probably won't go through that corner the same way again. ;-)Thanks for sharing your stories Peter! I would have loved to have seen that guy's face! Also, wow, I guess you don't sneak up on each other at home huh? :uhyeah: