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Dan G

07-26-2005, 05:17 PM

Guess you all will have to start taking TaiChi. http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif...or Olympic Taekwondo.

Knife arts seem to slip through the definitions OK as well.

Sound like they could end up insisting all schools are authorised by a central body. Had it in the UK for a while with the Martial Arts Comission in the 80's, didn't work as it tends to get either hijacked by more mainstream arts or administered by the clueless, and is generally needlessly bureaucratic in any event.

I reckon this is a bit like the UK kitchen knife ban - quick soundbite and will disapear when commonsense kicks in.

Dan

MA-Caver

07-26-2005, 05:23 PM

So sad...
Hmm what if this trend moves south? :xtrmshock

Brian R. VanCise

07-26-2005, 05:42 PM

Let's hope that this does not come to pass and therefore
hurt our fellow martial artists in Canada! I have met many
a good canadian martial artist through the years and it
would be sad for them to have legislation like this passed!

Brian R. VanCise

FearlessFreep

07-26-2005, 05:45 PM

...or Olympic Taekwondo.

In this section, “prize fight” means an encounter or fight with fists
or hands between two persons who have met for that purpose by previous
arrangement made by or for them, but a boxing contest between amateur
sportsmen, where the contestants wear boxing gloves of not less than one
hundred and forty grams each in mass, or any boxing contest held with the
permission or under the authority of an athletic board or commission or
similar body established by or under the authority of the legislature of a
province for the control of sport within the province, shall be deemed not
to be a prize fight.
Yeah, Tae Kwon Do with no gloves would be allowed...

Dan G

07-26-2005, 05:50 PM

...or Olympic Taekwondo.

Yeah, Tae Kwon Do with no gloves would be allowed...
I was also thinking that the Olympic status would give it exemption as it would be under the authority of some form of official athletic board anyway - not sure how it is all organised though.

Dan

kenpo0324

07-26-2005, 05:51 PM

still learning

07-26-2005, 08:12 PM

Hello, Um? Out law martial art's in Canada! Are they that dumb? Everyone knows martial art is about building good charcter thru art's of fighting. To build ones confidence, so as not to get in a fight.

If it does pass, How are they going to stop the underground learning. Like in Okinawa?

Yes! there are those who use it for the wrong reasons. Mostly a small minority.

Hope this is not true and does not pass a ban on the martial arts......Aloha

MA-Caver

07-26-2005, 09:26 PM

I live in Ontario Canada and I have started a petition to stop this..
I plan to get as many signutres as I can, Then I will be mailing them to my Mp
at the house of commons by August 15th,2005
I sure hope this doesen't pass, If We don't stand up to this what will be next..
It will hurt the Martial arts community in Canada..(Imo)
Petitoning is a great idea... if the Canadian government will recognize it then you can probably get alot more sigs from your American (also European and Asian) MA brothers/sisters as well... whatever we can do to help ... let us know.

lonekimono10

07-26-2005, 09:36 PM

Wow!!! frist it was the money thing,, and now the martial arts???next thing you know i won't be able to visit Rob broad
(i hope i spelled his name right):idunno:

Sapper6

07-26-2005, 10:14 PM

i remember a while back i got into an argument with a guy at work about whether or not MMA/UFC style commercialized fighting events were good for the arts as a whole. he claimed they were, and i said hell no. i beleive these kind of things misrepresent the fighting arts.

after reading this crap about what is happening in canada, i'd like to think it just reinforces my stance on the matter. :supcool:

hardheadjarhead

07-27-2005, 12:03 AM

So sad...
Hmm what if this trend moves south? :xtrmshock

Probably not. We don't seem to follow to many Canadian trends.

Which I personally think is a bad thing at times...but I certainly don't want to see MA outlawed here. I seriously doubt it will be in either country.

Regards,

Steve

goshawk

07-27-2005, 12:21 AM

That is...the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. ::disgusted:: I mean, I can certainly believe someone would be stupid and misguided enough to think it'd be a good idea; too many stupid people in the world seem to congregate in government. Still. That's. Gah.

I'm going to look into this through some more official channels. If it turns out there's a real threat in this, I'm pretty sure I can alert at least three, maybe four fair-sized Victoria dojos, maybe get people involved. ::sigh:: Freaking politics. Martial arts politics are stupid enough on their ow, nevermind adding legislative politics to the mix.

MJS

07-27-2005, 07:31 AM

::sigh:: Freaking politics. Martial arts politics are stupid enough on their ow, nevermind adding legislative politics to the mix.

Yup, you hit the nail on the head with that comment! Unfortunately, its the words of the uneducated that often ruin the arts for the others. People who have no clue about the arts, the ones that have probably never set foot inside of a dojo, are the ones that are making the decision of whats good and whats bad. IMHO, they need to focus on what they do best..politics, and stay out of the MA area. How can someone give an educated decision on something if they don't understand it??

As for the MMA events, there are more rules in place now than there were 12 yrs ago when the UFC first started. Jim McCain was one of the people that was strongly against the MMA events, and actually succeeded in getting it taken off PPV. However, its back and strong as ever. Again, changes to the rules are what caused it to return.

As for the negativity...its the illegal events, the ones where there are untrained and uneducated people, both refs and competitors, that bring a dark cloud over the MA world.

Mike

chinto01

07-27-2005, 08:07 AM

If this were to pass would that mean they would shut down dojos in Canada or would they just have to stop the contact sparring end of it?

TigerWoman

07-27-2005, 11:07 AM

Well, for Olympic TKD, weren't they changing the rules for allowing hands now with gloves? I don't think they are considering those big hunking gloves, just minimal hand protection. So, Canada wouldn't be participating in that, I suppose under this law if passed.

All tournaments? They think those medals and trophies are prizes? Or when the prize is for money?

This law just shows that martial arts need more publicity/communication to the public to show what they are really about, so laws by unknowing people don't get passed. TW

Andrew Green

07-27-2005, 11:29 AM

This is not a new law trying to get passed, this is an very old law that someone suddenly bans a lot of things being done.

And I'm quite sure I have seen this come up before. I wouldn't worry about it too much, Canada is not going to ban martial arts. We just have some old laws like every other country with a history.

Currently, Section 83 actually reads as follows:

[Engaging in prize fight]

83. (1) Every one who (a) engages as a principal in a prize fight, (b)
advises, encourages or promotes a prize fight, or© is present at a prize
fight as an aid, second, surgeon, umpire, backer or reporter, is guilty of
an offence punishable on summary conviction.

[Definition of “prize fight” ]

(2) In this section, “prize fight” means an encounter or fight with fists
or hands between two persons who have met for that purpose by previous
arrangement made by or for them, but a boxing contest between amateur
sportsmen, where the contestants wear boxing gloves of not less than one
hundred and forty grams each in mass, or any boxing contest held with the
permission or under the authority of an athletic board or commission or
similar body established by or under the authority of the legislature of a
province for the control of sport within the province, shall be deemed not
to be a prize fight.

searcher

07-27-2005, 01:19 PM

I would not be worried about it becoming a big thing, until they kick down your door and start arresting people. Somebody needs to find who the "new" pusher of this old law is. I would lay a wager that they have been wronged by a MA'ist and are looking for revenge. If its not that then they are trying to get a name for themselves. IMHO.

Andrew Green

07-27-2005, 01:21 PM

I would wager its someone who supports martial arts trying to get publicity.

Cause all this seems to be is a big publicity stunt.

Kenpojujitsu3

07-27-2005, 01:46 PM

Banning Martial Arts, there's a thought. Maybe we should do that across the globe, it would end most of the senseless murders. Wait a minute, that's guns nevermind.

searcher

07-27-2005, 02:57 PM

Maybe we should do that across the globe, it would end most of the senseless murders. Wait a minute, that's guns nevermind.
Guns don't kill people. Peopl kill people.

kenpochad

07-27-2005, 03:25 PM

Guns don't kill people. Peopl kill people.Thats right .

arnisador

07-27-2005, 03:31 PM

It'll never happen.

hwarang

07-27-2005, 04:40 PM

that sucks really bad

CuongNhuka

07-27-2005, 06:04 PM

it may or it may not we can not know untill after all is saide and done. i'm sure that the british rolayty was saying the same thing about the colonies in 1774. you know 'ohh they'll never revolt they love us to much, well guess what, you were wrong. we should be prepared and if canada outlaws our art then i think we should be prepared for it happening else were, like new york and califorian states, after all they already decided that nunchakus are a weapon that no one should have. and the was because of a two minute figth sence in a bruce lee movie. and if does happen, just to piss off the canadian goverment, i'm going to move to canada and teach martial arts and disguese it as dance!!!!!! or maybe i'll take the simple solution and protest out side the house of parlament. you know get a few thousand martial rts doing forms out side of the house of paralment can be a very sacry prospect to those chicken Edited to conform to MT's Profanity filter ****** brained s.o.b.s and a bunch of other words i shouldn't say.say does anyone know if i can protest this load of politlcal bull **** even though i live in the u.s.a. and am not a canading resident.

sweet Brighit bless your blade, and awaken canadas goverment

john

Andrew Green

07-27-2005, 06:44 PM

Once again, this is a OLD LAW, written before anything but boxing and wreslting was getting practiced, so the language of it is based on that fact.

Nothing to get worked up about, just someone trying to get publicity by twisting the facts to get a reaction.

Ignore it and carry on, martial arts are not getting banned.

Kembudo-Kai Kempoka

07-27-2005, 07:26 PM

Guns don't kill people. Peopl kill people.
People with guns kill people.

Butt seriously, ...silly Canadians. Blue laws are in every country that has written law more than a year old. Unless there has been a rash of martial arts murders in grade schools, hospitals and churches, it'll never happen. Even then, there would be a hard case to make. Even after Columbine and the Oklahoma bombings, we can still buy guns and fertilizer.

Unpopularly,

Dave

Sin

07-28-2005, 02:47 AM

::slaps forhead::

Those Canadians are at it again...

No but seriously this law is Unconstatutional...no worries it will be overturned

CuongNhuka

07-31-2005, 01:33 PM

::slaps forhead::

Those Canadians are at it again...

No but seriously this law is Unconstatutional...no worries it will be overturned
it's unconstatutional????? you are aware that we are talking about canada right????? canada didn't actully have a bill of rights as far as the law was concered until 50 years ago. do you really think that canada cares that (i think, so don't quote me on this) 1/3 of the worlds population does some form of martial arts???? i doubt it. besides even if some one gets ticked off and does what i would love to (which is too inappratie to write, so use your imaination), do you really think anyone would be able to do anything, you probly be locked up in a gulag (yes i know that is russian, i'm using it for effect) for the rest of your life. besides you shouldn'tbe that arogent, it can happen and if we are this stuped, guess what. IT WILL!!!!!

sweet Bright bless your blade, and wake up those canadian fools

Brother John

07-31-2005, 01:42 PM

Damn, looks like its back to using bad language again! :burp:
You mean you stopped???

Hahaha....

Your Brother
JOhn

Andrew Green

07-31-2005, 01:58 PM

OK, lets try this once again.

This is an OLD law, no one is trying to get anything passed. This was probably passed over 100 years ago. Nothing new is going on.

What it says is that prize fights are illegal. They are, always have been. With the exception of ones that are sanctioned by the athletic board, same as always.

Amateur fights are ok, providing gloves of at least a certain weight are worn, but not prize fights, those have to be sanctioned.

Same happens in MMA, unless a athletic board ok's it, you can't have a MMA fight.

Sparring in a club is not a prize fight. It is not even a fight. The language the law is written in only uses boxing, because there was nothing else at the time it was written.

Anyone that is even vaguely familliar with Canadian boxing regulations has known this for years.

The only thing amazing here is how worked up people get over nothing when they don't even bother to do a minimal amount of research. There is nothing here that will effect Canadian martial arts in any way. This is the way it has always been, and someone interpreting it in a goofy way to draw publicity to themselves as our righteous saviour is notgoing to change anything.

Tgace

07-31-2005, 02:00 PM

So when do they start closing down dojos? ;)

Andrew Green

07-31-2005, 02:03 PM

andy

07-31-2005, 02:04 PM

(I can see it now)
Cop; you there hey were you just twirling a stick?

Little kid(slowly backs up) um stick? what stick, oh you mean this old thingy? I was just pruning the trees honest it's a chore!!

cop( slaps cuffs on ) yeah right your comin downtown for intent to learn:idunno:

andy

07-31-2005, 02:36 PM

seriously though, I do understand the concern some may have when one considers how political correctness can damage a society. All the media would need to do is start showing school beatings and various injuries in martial arts and the touchy feely crowd will come out like ants on honey. Not that it would have any great effect though. It obviously didn't work in japan.

ave_turuta

07-31-2005, 07:37 PM

Like the moon landing, Canadian Dojo's are just a big conspiracy. The law was always there, so if that is what it means that is PROOF that we never actually had any Dojo's.

Haha, we got you good on that one :p
Yeap, cos you know you all evil Canadians with your close-down-the-dojos policies and your non-profit, free-for-all healthcare system are a bunch of communists. http://martialtalk.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Peace,
AT http://martialtalk.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

p.s. does that mean they will close down the McDojos too? Well, since you are in Canada, what do you have instead of McDojos?

Seabrook

08-05-2005, 03:22 PM

http://www.guerrillanews.com/headlines/3897/Martial_Arts_May_Be_Deemed_Illegal

Guess you all will have to start taking TaiChi. http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif
I don't think it will ever come to pass, but if it ever did, I would close my school, move to Pasadena CA, and train with Larry Tatum night and day. Actually, the more I think of it, that doesn't sound like such a bad idea anyway, lol.

Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com (http://www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com)