here we go again, read this

[lonekimono10]

www.nbc10.com/news/4501666/detail.html (http://www.nbc10.com/news/4501666/detail.html) i hope this link works
what a butthead, thats why the martial arts gets a bad name.

[rutherford]

For folks who'd like a little more information before clicking a link, it's another instructor who was touching children inappropriately in the locker room.

(Insert your favorite revenge fantasy here.)

[lonekimono10]

thanks for the on the spot reporting:-partyon:
he still a butthead,

[rutherford]

he still a butthead

Oh, if I trained there I would have certainly given him more than a headbutt.

Still, it's not something I enjoy reading about. As a parent, it makes my urge to kill rise quickly.

[Sin]

I know its not the way most of us are taught, completly not the way of the Martial Artist. But when i read this, it made me wanna hunt this guy down, and make it to where his parents wouldn't reconize him. now I will probably get a few bad rep point dings, but although i am a martial artist, I still have emotion. I have a little sister and a little brother and many little cousins, and I'll do what ever I need to, to keep them safe, because I love them very much. i do hope this sick individual gets the help he needs and the punishment he deserves. I think that most of you can agree with my angle here, at least I hope I'm not preaching to the choir. :asian:

[rutherford]

Oh, I think revenge fantasies are part of human nature.

However, I don't think that indulging in them, even in text, is good for anything.

[terryl965]

I agree with you guys hunt him down and kill the enemy, but do we live in america the home of the free and you are innocent until proven guilty. The 19 yrs old says it never happen should we wait and see if he did or did not before we assume he is. Michael Jackson is going through the same thing and some people feel he is being torn apart weather he did or not is not our place to decide it is the court decission, let wait and see the outcome. I know I be presume to be the outsource here but the law is the law. We need to see the outcome first and go from there.

[Sin]

this is true...

I and other will just have to pray that our government has the wisdom to handle this situation appropreatly.

I am a student of life protection not a vigilante

[Sin]

I agree with you guys hunt him down and kill the enemy, but do we live in america the home of the free and you are innocent until proven guilty. The 19 yrs old says it never happen should we wait and see if he did or did not before we assume he is. Michael Jackson is going through the same thing and some people feel he is being torn apart weather he did or not is not our place to decide it is the court decission, let wait and see the outcome. I know I be presume to be the outsource here but the law is the law. We need to see the outcome first and go from there.

agreed, that is my point exactly...I am just thinking about what I would/wouldn't do if this where to happen to my siblings/cousins, and it makes you wonder.....whats going through the parents heads?

[Gemini]

I just heard about this yesterday also. Truly disgusting! Not being familiar with the concept of having to go to the dressing room to "adjust" your uniform,(just turn away from the class, look in the mirror, and adjust) the hair on the back of my neck would have gone up as soon as I heard that. Right or wrong, I have to agree with Sin here. Having three boys, there would be no help for the SOB who tried that on any of them. Not proud of that fact, but I know myself and my limits pretty well. I could never look myself in the mirror again if I let that go.

In New York, this will probably be a class B SA felony and if convicted, everywhere he lives from now to the end of his days, they will know who he is, where he lives and what he's done.

[hammer]

Apart from the discuss, and the ill will I have for this ######! I hope that the young individuals concerned have enough courage to see through this terrible ordeal, and recover from their misfortune as quickly as possible.

[chinto01]

This person is sick. What inspires people to do this to children? This is why any uniform adjusting at our dojo is done infront of the parents. When helping them tie their belts we do it infront of the parents with the childs hands up. Good lord these criminals make me sick.

[searcher]

agreed, that is my point exactly...I am just thinking about what I would/wouldn't do if this where to happen to my siblings/cousins, and it makes you wonder.....whats going through the parents heads?
I think that is something he is going to have to think about. Even if he is found innocent I think that there might be a little street justice headed in his direction. It would not be the first time that someone found to be innocent ended up getting killed or beaten once the returned to society.

My own oppinion is to smash his nads with a hammer.http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Yossarian75]

It is sad but these kind of people are attracted to jobs/activities where there are children.

[Corporal Hicks]

It is sad but these kind of people are attracted to jobs/activities where there are children.They get away with it too, thats what is worse! To think some of them actually go out to get qualifications to be able to work with children is even worse. They base their lives on actually having this access.

And whoa, he's only one year older than me. Sick derranged guy. What is it with these people?
Why are they sexually attracted to children? Is it their learning experience when they were younger? Can they help it?
All I ever hear from the media is that they are in the wrong (which they are) but I never understand why they do it! Somebody care to explain? Is it like a fetish or something, though thats one really sick one if it is.

Regards

[Bod]

Yeah, next week we'll find out that he turned down a pass one of the mothers made at him, or that he refused to give some kid a black belt on demand, and that it was all rumour mongering.

Still he'll probably get beat up anyway. People who have been denounced usually get treated that way.


NBC claim: Carfora inappropriately touched the boys, who ranged in age from 6 to 10, on multiple occasions over the past four months, police said in a press release. Either the police or NBC are being prejudicial here. That's enough to get the case thrown out under English law.

If you want your kids to be safe show them genuine affection and attention, and they'll be able to spot a raw deal a mile off. Beating up the latest suspect helps no-one.

[lonekimono10]

i don't know what makes these kind of people tick?? i wonder how many prarents will keep there kids at the school??

[arnisador]

Sheesh. Another one giving the arts a bad name. :(

[searcher]

Things like this are the reasons why we as instructors and all of us as martial artists must be careful who we allow to train or who gets to teach. I always do an investigation into the background of everybody who wants to teach for me, this includes checking the sexual predators list for their name or picture. It can be time consuming, but it is worth it. We have to use good judgement with all things.

[Gemini]

this includes checking the sexual predators list for their name or picture. It can be time consuming, but it is worth it. So true. Often times, you find out that one of their most effective characteristics is being "The last person you would ever suspect"

[lonekimono10]

Sheesh. Another one giving the arts a bad name. :( thats how i started this thread,

[MJS]

i don't know what makes these kind of people tick?? i wonder how many prarents will keep there kids at the school??

Definately a very sick person!! I would certainly pull my kid out of that school if they were enrolled there. That guy needs some serious help.

Mike

[47MartialMan]

There are predators disguised in many ways.

However, I know scholastic teachers and parents getting accused of this. It was a revenge/vendetta from the child to get even. In other words, some cases are flat-out lies by the juvenile to get "even".

[BrandiJo]

ugh that makes me sick. I dont see how anyone could do that and in MA arnt we suposed to be better then that i mean honor and intergraty doesnt that cross their mind when they are doing crap like this. Just one more jerk to give everyone else who isent a sick freak a bad name

[Andrew Green]

Accused does not always mean guilty.

As was stated there have been a good many cases where accusations have flown and been flat out lies...

We do see a lot of accusations, But I can't remember seeing as many convictions. An accusation can destroy a persons career and reputation, even if there is ZERO truth to it. Once he gets prooved guilty, then you can start on your revenge fantasy's, but until then wait for the evidence and the other side of the story.

[Tgace]

You dont see many convictions because of plea deals and other reasons...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/03/15/state1714EST0111.DTL




"In Bakersfield alone, 46 people were arrested in eight alleged child molestation rings. Thirty were convicted, eight had their charges dropped and eight struck plea deals that kept them from prison. Twenty two of the 30 convictions were later reversed for reasons including legal technicalities, prosecutorial misconduct or faulty jury instructions."

[Jonathan Randall]

Yeah, next week we'll find out that he turned down a pass one of the mothers made at him, or that he refused to give some kid a black belt on demand, and that it was all rumour mongering.Not likely, as apparently there are multiple alleged victims aged 6 (YES, SIX) to ten. While there have been cases of disgruntled teens making up accusations to retaliate against teachers, this apparently is not a case of a single victim and the individuals are TOO young to have colluded in such a way that experienced investigators would not be able to quickly unravel.

However, I share your reluctance to convict this or any other individual in the court of public opinion on the basis of a single news report and I pray there is no vigilante "justice" in this case. Remember, though, that INDIVIDUALS are entitled to make up their own minds as to the likelihood of a suspect's guilt - they just cannot ACT upon those assumptions in an illegal manner. Innocent until proven guilty means a presumption of innocence BEFORE THE LAW until convicted.

You're dead on about showing your own kids love and affection. Perpetrators single in on those (and they are very cunning at this) they see as isolated and less likely to "tell". While honest love and affection alone can't protect children from "stranger danger" it does give them some level of immunity from the errant adult caregiver who molests children in his/her charge.

[47MartialMan]

Innocent until proven guilty, then the media should'nt have a "field day".

It should be reported after they are foubd guilty AS charged.

Hey, I am sickog pedafiles and idiots like that. But I want to see proof and the case done fully. Then I'll sign up for the "witch hunt".