Check out this list of western martial art styles! If you Have any Ideas, requests,or additions, Just Post them on this thread and I'll put them in as soon as possible.:) :asian:


America
American Freestyle Karate
Koo Self Defense
Mu Tau
American Boxing
Catch-as-Can wrestling
Brazil
Brazilian Jujitsu
Taiyando
Capoeira
Batuque
Makulele
Luta Livre
Panmo
Lucha Libre
France
Savate
Guam
San Jitsu
Hawaii
Kajukenbo
Lima Lama
Lua
India
Gatka
Shaolin Chuan Fa
Israel
Krav Maga
Algeria
El Matreg
Angola
Basula
Gabetula
N’golo
Njinga
Congo
Gwindulumutu
Kipura
Egypt
Kemet Mariama
Kuta/Hikuta
Naboot
Sebekkha
Tahteeb
Eritrea
Testa
Ethiopia
Donga Stick Fighting
Dula Maketa
Re Efi Areh Ehsee
Gambia
Borreh
Ghana
Naban
Morocco
Maratabeen
Nigeria
Dambe
Gidigbo
Igba Magba
Korokoro
Senegal
Beri
Bore
Dioula
Laamb
N’oboro
Olva
South Africa
Impi/Zulu Impi
Musangawa
Sudan
Nuba Stick Fighting
Toubata
Suriname
Sousa
Togo
Evala
Zvaha
Australia
Koonomon Yogip Baip
Pou Taiaha
New Zealand
Mau
Mau Rakau
Pahi a Mau Mau
Tueiatanga
Italy
Arte Del abbracciare
Arte Della Daga
Bastone
S’istrumpa
Cimento
Novascrimia
Pugilatis cestis
Scherma
Giocco Stretto
Presse Marozzo
Venezuela
Garrote Larrense
Sanjal
Broma
Argentina
Esgrima Criolla
Greece
Pankration
Austria
Schwingen
Germany
Dolchfechtan
Ringen am Schwert
Kampfringen
Worstel-Kon
England
Cornish Wrestling

How about adding the native country with each of them?

What do you mean by "Western" styles?

I'm thinking of Americas (North/south/central), I'm not thinking of Europe.

Savate is French (I think), Krav Magra was made by a Czeclaslavacian (sp) guy for the Isreali Military, if I'm not mistaken. I thought Lima-lima was associated with Filipino styles.

I don't know...just curious.

:cool:

Originally posted by PAUL

I'm thinking of Americas (North/south/central), I'm not thinking of Europe.

It would definitely include Europe.


I thought Lima-lima was associated with Filipino styles.

Polynesian I think.

Correct! Hawaiian to be specific.

I was thinking "Kuntaw Lima-lima" OOPS!:D

there are martial arts styles that can be called americans.
Most of these styles have somehow of a foreign influence, in the southern states for example there were alot fo capoeira-like forms imported from the african slaves and the creol people
some of these are:

- trip and flip (or leg wrestling)
- Jailhouse rock ( more research must be done on this one)
- kalenda

some claim to have knowledge in native american martial arts system but personally i'm still scheptical about the nature of these system, i interviewed some cherokee in oklahoma, non of them knew what i was talking about. Don't forget there are also hundreds of japanese, korean, chinese, european-american martial arts and weapon systems ..technically I'd even called Jeet kune do an american style, bruce lee was chinese but he did codify this system in usa, and the same goes for "kupikana ngumi and Mishindi Vita saana which are african-american martial arts. Furthermore there are some north american fighting systems with weapons using the bowie knife or the "arkansas toothpick, and what about military systems like "americam combatives? There is alot of research to be done on the subject but i'm sure there are alot of fighting systems in usa I'll see if i can hook you guys up with some links :)

This style is also known as "51 Hands" based on the hand use of the art.

Originally posted by GouRonin

This style is also known as "51 Hands" based on the hand use of the art.


yes and If I remember correctly there are difference between the west coast jailhouse (51 hands) and the east coast one. I tella ya researching the roots of certain styles can get frustrating sometimes

The problem is that the guys practicing this style are usually IN jail. Ha! Which makes them only slightly less reputable that most regular martial artists.

Originally posted by GouRonin

The problem is that the guys practicing this style are usually IN jail. Ha! Which makes them only slightly less reputable that most regular martial artists.


lol imagine a jail dojo?

As far as I know people in jail are not allowed to practice martial arts.

I could be wrong though. It's been known to happen.

well let's be realistic, how much martial arts can really help you in jail? You might knock someone out one day, and get stabbed the day after out of nowhere, nobody is going to give you a break in jail just because you know martial arts, actually the complete opposite. Plus have you seen the size of some of these deteinees? the only way to knock these people out is with a semi.

Hey, this may be an impossible question to answer, but do you know of any schools of Savate in Canada? I've been interested in it for years, but I've never found any schools from the style. Ever.

Any help would be nice... if nothing else, a place where I can look it up and learn a bit about the style would be nice!

Thanks!

Cliarlaoch

You might check at JKD schools--they often do either some Muay Thai or some Savate.

You might also ask at the Yahoo! forum linked from here (http://www.savateaustralia.com/).

By todays standards the styles listed are considered traditional. With all of the new systems coming up the list would never be complete. The question is what qualifies a new system. Theres no question whether some are created for financial gains but the theres no doubt that a lot are effective and its not fair to put an effective modern system with a traditional system that dosen't recognize it. I praise you for tryin".

As far as I know people in jail are not allowed to practice martial arts.

Actually the truth is exactly the opposite. We cannot stop them by rule or prevent them in practice. We can step in if it gets out of hand such as takedowns, ground fighting etc for their own safety but otherwise no. They teach each other how to box for example. But far worse than that they teach other disarming techniques i.e. how to disarm a police officer. They teach each other how to prevent searches or cuffing. In my D.T. class that I teach to Police/Corrections recruits in the Academy I show a film of prisoners in D.O.C. teaching each other edged weapon techniques using tooth brushes.

The Bg's of today have far more access to techniques & tactics than at anytime in the past. Not all inmates participate in these 'training' sessions, but it is a dangerous minority.

I recall specifically two instances of trained professionals. First was a W/M who fought a B/M in the dayroom of a pod. The W/M happened to be a semi-pro boxer on the outside. The B/M looked afterwards like he had a bat taken to his face. Second, a very small A/M took on 6 other I/M's in the pod who were trying to muscle him out of his meal. Officers responding said the A/M took out all 6 within seconds and then simply went into his cell and laid down to take a nap. They said it was the darndest thing they ever saw :D

I have some systems for your list;

America -
Way no Michi Ryu
Dean Moo Kwon Do
Zhao Dai Wei

Russia -
Agni Kempo

Iran -
Agni kickboxing

Take care.

In my D.T. class that I teach to Police/Corrections recruits in the Academy I show a film of prisoners in D.O.C. teaching each other edged weapon techniques using tooth brushes.

I've worked with LEO on occasion as well, and I've seen the police training video your refering to ("Surviving edged weapons," or something like that). Anyways, I distinctly remember that the people practicing the knife techniques w/ the toothbrush also had look-outs for guards, as they were attempting to practice in "secret." This makes me think that there is a line that is drawn for MA training. I might be able to practice forms, for instance, but I would think if I were to practice knife partner work (like in FMA), then I might get in trouble if I were in jail. There is still that element of "Threat" that allows an officer to stop a bahavior if it threatens, or could lead to potential harm. The element of "threat" is the reason why I can't walk down the street with a shot gun on my shoulder, even though it's not concealed, and I'm not pointing it at anyone.

Anyways, I'm not a LEO, so I don't know for sure, and I haven't really had the opportunity to ask a LEO recently. I am just having doubts about the scope of their practice. Maybe it's different in different states, but I know that in Michigan that this element of threat might be a limitation. What do you think?

:cool:

I saw a handcuffing class outdoors this past week--police training I believe.

Someone suggested that there is a traditional Finnish knife-fighting system called kas-pin.

Don't forget Russia

Sambo
Systema
R.O.S.S.
Kadochnikov System
Skobar
Ukranian Boxing
"Ruknopashni Boi"
Buza

and a host of others that are too many for me to bother trying to list. You can see a big list over on the RMAx.tv site though.

Arthur

This style is also known as "51 Hands"

That's 52 hand blocks.

From what I hear, it's developed from the street, not jail. It's an empty hand style.

Forum brother Stickgrappler has probably the most authoritative articles on the subject available for free on the web.

his site :
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/

the portion specific to 52 handblocks/jailhouse rock :

http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/52/52.html

check it out, some of the moves remind me of systema, so it's not hard for me to believe it could be used in jail.

Originally posted by jellyman
his site :
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/


Yes, there's definitely a lot of good stuff here.

Paul,

D.O.C. might have different regulations than does County facilities. We could write a disciplinary report but that is not an actual charge. Another possibility is to 'red dot' the individual which means they are in handcuffs & shackles any time they are outside their one-man cell.

We can also prevent 'horse-play' if it gets out of hand. But as far as County/Municipalities it's a touch gray area. We don't want to violate their 'rights' :confused:

I know the video your refering to and it is 'Surviving Edged Weapons'. I think they were posting look outs not so much for what they were doing as with what they were using. Inmates are not permitted to take items out into a rec yard such as towels, toothbrushes etc. At least the ones I am familar with. And of course their perception that what they were doing was against a rule. It is wrong but actually stopping it is altogether a different story unfortunately.

arnisador,

From what I have been told, Agni is a Sanskript word from the Persian area. It's exact meaning I'm not sure but it seems to reflect some type of fighting philosophy.



:)

I think the Hawaiian one is "Lima Lama"

Depends on how you classify where an art is from.

I'd classify Jun Fan/JKD as an American art. It was developed in America by an American citizen.

Mike

You can add Mya Ryu Jitsu :cool:

Yes,there is a Finnish style kas-pin but it also includes plenty of unarmed military oriented fighting.
Add "kalaripayit" to India.

mr long

you posted that native martial arts of australia and new zealand


Australia
Koonomon Yogip Baip
Pou Taiaha
New Zealand
Mau
Mau Rakau
Pahi a Mau Mau
Tueiatanga


where did you get this information??? do these styles still exist???

iam interested in researching this also

terry

What is the criteria for "western"? Isn't India considered part of Asia? What of Australia? Are we talking geography or "ruling" countries? Even if it is based on which imperialist dog runs the place, I think India is independent of England now isn't it? Which brings us back to geography.

Side note: When I lived in Cairo (Egypt, not Kentucky), I had an opportunity to play at a little Sebekkah. It is a grappling art and I remember distinctly that the movements used so much waist power to execute that I was sore in the middle even after I returned to the states.

geoffrey

Turkish wrestling may not qualify as Western but in any event:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/10/SP265658.DTL


Every summer, hundreds of Turkish men wearing only long leather shorts pour olive oil over each other's backs, arms and legs. Then they wrestle for 40 minutes, plus a 10-minute extra session if necessary, often in 100-degree heat.

It's sumo wrestling mixed with salad dressing.

To win, a wrestler must bring his competitor's shoulders to the ground or pick him up and take three steps. Sort of like sacking an NFL quarterback, except for the part about clothes.

"The sport is not without controversy," says James Helicke of the Associated Press. "Turkish pro-Islamic circles say the sport violates Islamic principles and that one move -- in which a wrestler puts his hand down the other's pants in an effort to flip him over -- is obscene."

Ranggeln, the Austrian wrestling:
http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_baxter_0102.htm

Kurdish knife fighting:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?&threadid=278395

Knife Fighting book:
http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=731

Don't forget Shastar Vidyaa, The Sikh martial art from the punjab province (may be the same as gatka and kalaripayat but I don't know).

Also have you guys heard anything about the old swedish, norwegian, and icelandic style's. I had read something about the old sword and sheild styles being similar in application to aikijusu, but I can't find the site.

http://www.realfighting.com/0102/loriknrv.htm


the three main styles of Sevillian knife fighting: Baratero, the basic style; Gitano, named for the gypsies that originated the style; and Sevillano, refined from fencing and considered the "cardinal art" of Sevillian Steel.

I am not an expert in this by any means, but I believe it's called "52 blocks". You would think this refers to 52 blocking movements, but apparently it's named for a neighbourhood 52 blocks in area. Google "stickgrappler" and you will find an awesome MA/SD archive site (I think it's like go.to/stickgrappler or something like that). Ol' sticky is an awesome resource.

http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/52/52.html

http://www.osmalandrosdemestretouro.bigstep.com/generic.html;$sessionid$YMJ4LRIAAAR2JWGIHUVXBMWYZA 4S1PX0?pid=2

I noticed on the 1st page there was a list of MA's with the system of "San Jitsu" listed under Guam. This art was developed by Frank Sanchez (from Guam) of the WHOFSC. A Silat & Arnis instructor friend, who lives in Guam, attempted to research San Jitsu since it was claimed to be the "Martial Art of Guam" and found not a single trace, reference or archive containing any info. He also asked several higher ranking instructors native to Guam about San Jitsu and they all replied the same, "Never heard of it".

Don't forget Shastar Vidyaa, The Sikh martial art from the punjab province (may be the same as gatka and kalaripayat but I don't know).

Also have you guys heard anything about the old swedish, norwegian, and icelandic style's. I had read something about the old sword and sheild styles being similar in application to aikijusu, but I can't find the site.
I'd have to say that a number of items on this list are not really "Western" in any geographical, or even cultural sense.

There is at least one modern art that claims to represent Viking fighting styles; it's called Stav, and I'm afraid that it is not very highly respected in HEMA/WMA circles.

The real problem is that, apart from mentions of fighting in the Icelandic sagas of the 1200s and 1300s, there are no clear records of exactly how the Vikings fought - no detailed instructional manuals, etc. People can make pretty good guesses based on later historical material and by training with close reconstructions of the weapons and armor, but no-one knows for sure.

On the other hand, the Icelandic wrestling style of Glima can be traced back to Viking unarmed combat, and it is still popular in Iceland today.

Gilbey

I'd have to say that a number of items on this list are not really "Western" in any geographical, or even cultural sense.

There is at least one modern art that claims to represent Viking fighting styles; it's called Stav, and I'm afraid that it is not very highly respected in HEMA/WMA circles.

The real problem is that, apart from mentions of fighting in the Icelandic sagas of the 1200s and 1300s, there are no clear records of exactly how the Vikings fought - no detailed instructional manuals, etc. People can make pretty good guesses based on later historical material and by training with close reconstructions of the weapons and armor, but no-one knows for sure.

Gilbey
Right... Stav is pretty sad. Like some bizzare cross of I-Ching and Viking runes. For a good laugh though, there's always Hank Reinhardt's Viking video.

Chris

Right... Stav is pretty sad. Like some bizzare cross of I-Ching and Viking runes. For a good laugh though, there's always Hank Reinhardt's Viking video.

Chris
Even sadder was an offshoot called "Stavla" or something ... I remember they were trying to hire themselves out as a crack security team. The mind boggles.

Haven't seen Reinhardt's video - what's the problem with it?

Gilbey

I've always thought of boxing, the Sweet Science of pugilism, a true Western martial art. That said, I never understood why some practitioners of the Asian MAs don't consider boxing a martial art. :idunno:

Even sadder was an offshoot called "Stavla" or something ... I remember they were trying to hire themselves out as a crack security team. The mind boggles.

Haven't seen Reinhardt's video - what's the problem with it?

Gilbey
Well, first there’s the entire concept of having a video on Viking style…



It’s quite hilarious with the typical stage combat sword and shield clash/bang style with a few kicks here and there, but the best part is when the ‘Viking warrior’ knocks his opponent to the ground , stabs him in the stomach and stirs the blade around for a moment before spitting on him.


Chris

I've always thought of boxing, the Sweet Science of pugilism, a true Western martial art. That said, I never understood why some practitioners of the Asian MAs don't consider boxing a martial art. :idunno:
Because it doesn't really have a spiritual component and it's often done in a sport context. Don't forget though, 'martial arts' is a western term (I think the first appearance of the phrase is in Chaucer - The Knights Tale) and simply means the arts of war.

Chris

Because it doesn't really have a spiritual component and it's often done in a sport context. Don't forget though, 'martial arts' is a western term (I think the first appearance of the phrase is in Chaucer - The Knights Tale) and simply means the arts of war.

Chris

True, and the art I practice, WTF sanctioned Taekwondo, is sport (Olympic) oriented. And, IMHO, it has become too commercial I might add. But I digress... :idunno:

Irrespective of the spiritual component, do not martial arts primarily involve physical combat? Is it's mostly about, ya-know, Mano-A-Mano, face to face scrapping? This is what boxing is to me. That's why I think it should be considered a MA.

However, even that's not a good qualifier, becacause the MAs also encompasses whomever has the biggest sword, katana, stick, nunchuck, staff, stick, bow or throwing star etc., etc.

Irrespect of not having the Asian component, I would think that boxing should be considered a martial art. Remember, almost everyone's favorite MA practitioner Bruce incorporated boxing into his JKD.

:asian:

How about Wu Ying Tao developed in the state of Orgeon during the 1960's

http://www.wuyingtao.com

True, and the art I practice, WTF sanctioned Taekwondo, is sport (Olympic) oriented. And, IMHO, it has become too commercial I might add. But I digress... :idunno:

Irrespective of the spiritual component, do not martial arts primarily involve physical combat? Is it's mostly about, ya-know, Mano-A-Mano, face to face scrapping? This is what boxing is to me. That's why I think it should be considered a MA.

However, even that's not a good qualifier, becacause the MAs also encompasses whomever has the biggest sword, katana, stick, nunchuck, staff, stick, bow or throwing star etc., etc.

Irrespect of not having the Asian component, I would think that boxing should be considered a martial art. Remember, almost everyone's favorite MA practitioner Bruce incorporated boxing into his JKD.

:asian:

I guess it depends on how you look at it. I never renounce a boxer as a combatant, as they have some of the fastest hands i've seen, and most know how to take a pounding if they have to. However, Boxers, along with most other systems today, break things down into angles of attack, angles of escape, lines of evasion, etc. It's all numbers. That's why we call them systems now. They are no longer arts. People at large (not speaking for everyone) don't train for the sake of training and continuing the art, but for physical fitness or self-defense. It's become the science of war, not the art of war. Martial Science (yes, go ahead with the obligatory "Bloodsport" references) seems like the appropriate term for things like boxing.

EDIT: Let god, allah, buddah, or whatever being you believe in rain down fire and lightning upon the creator of UBBcode... :rockets:

Thanks for noting Cornish wrestling, though us Cornish don't quite consider ourselves English. Add Breton wrestling. That goes back at least 1500 years like Cornish Wrestling. They are distinctive because they are verifiable ancient British styles that use the jacket.

Also Norfolk Backhold wrestling is a distinctive style because of it's rules, i.e. hold the back at all times.

Boxing does have a philosophy. It is not overt but it is there in the background. The Greeks certainly had a whole spiritual component to their pugilistic arts.

After being out of the MA's for awhile I'm currently looking at a few local Boxing gyms. I know very little about Boxing but the conditioning involved looks very intensive. Add in sparring and being hit, Boxing appears to me as a truly realistic system of stand-up self defense.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I don't know:
What kinds of defensive moves are taught in Boxing?

My guess would be evading with good footwork, bobbing and weaving, etc.
I'm just wondering if there is any punch blocking.

Thanks in advance, D.

This thread is way too old so i'm pretty sure nobody is going to read this, but how about Jogo do Pau from Portugal. I've tried out a lot of styles and this is still one of my favorites.

This thread is way too old so i'm pretty sure nobody is going to read this, but how about Jogo do Pau from Portugal. I've tried out a lot of styles and this is still one of my favorites.

I have just started training in JDP here in portugal.......mainly short stick

theres also the spanish stick arts and the andalucian knife stuff, also the irish kudgual (shileli - sp)

The short stick is OK, but if you really want to have fun you should try the long stick. That way you can really feel the power and speed of the vara.

I'm not sure what you are doing with this list? Is this a list of styles that have migrated to this continent? Does this fall into the category of American Martial Arts? From the definition that I've been accostomed too (not necessarly THE one) The WMA has referred to those styles that came from the European continent and are still present in some form there and in this country. Now some of these Asian and Eastern styles, by rights are just as migratory as the European but I think we should classify them by their country of orgin makes for a cleaner organization to define who is doing exactly what. The cultural heritage is so very important when we study any martial activity. Otherwise really interesting list and great effort, I'll be interested to see how this develops and the reaction you get.

My Best
Dwight

The short stick is OK, but if you really want to have fun you should try the long stick. That way you can really feel the power and speed of the vara.

I did one session of long stick ....with a different guy, yep i know what you mean

If you lookat any M/A it udjusted to meet the needs of the peop;le and country where it migrated to Now here in the west. We will call it THE U S A then is not it time that those arts that have been brought here and trained here be consider a western way of doing those arts. As a rule the USA embraces all countries all races the most blended culture in the world So the M/A arts here did and have had to adapt to the people here. And every art is just a source. The person is there own way of doing.