Kickboxers get beaten down by Pro Wrestlers

[TigerFist]

From: http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=22516

WE SUPERSTARS TOSS AROUND DRUNKEN LOUDMOUTH KICKBOXERS
By: Joey Styles
4/27/2005 9:40:42 AM </SPAN>


WWE SUPERSTARS TOSS AROUND DRUNKEN LOUDMOUTH KICKBOXERS

"Note from Joey Styles...this story makes the kickboxers sound like innocent victims which was not the case. Regardless, telling pro wrestlers that what they do is fake and that they cannot fight is a great way to get your ass kicked. There are many pro football players, boxers, kickboxers, who have found this out the hard way. The only people I have met who can kick ass better than pro wrestlers are MMA fighters but they almost never start trouble.

From UK Tabloid Newspaper, THE SUN...
Now that's a big fight out
By ANDREW PARKER

BOOZED-UP kickboxers fought an unscheduled bout with American telly wrestlers — in a posh hotel lobby.

Terrified guests dived for cover as the fighters squared up after a martial arts show, sending feet, fists and glasses flying.

They watched amazed as the boxers lashed out with a flurry of acrobatic spinning kicks and punches, while the touring grapplers hurled their opponents around the reception hall.

Ex-world kickboxing champ Kash “The Flash” Gill — 6ft 3in and 11st 6lb — claimed he was dragged around in a headlock by 22st, 6ft 5in wrestler Dave “Demon of the Deep” Batista, 36.

One boxer was thrown over a table full of drinks and another over a baggage trolley before the row spilled outside.

A car park security barrier was smashed before police broke up Sunday’s midnight fight at the Hilton Hotel at Birmingham’s NEC complex.

The punch-up followed a kickboxing exhibition match for 500 guests, organised by 37-year-old Kash.

He said: “It had been a great night, but one of our tables was a bit rowdy after having too much to drink. In reception one of our blokes accidentally bumped into one wrestler and said sorry straight away.

“The wrestler said, ‘You will be’ and it all kicked off. The wrestlers were all giants and three of them had one of our blokes on the floor.

“I ran out to try to calm things down, but next thing I knew one wrestler had me in an armlock and was throwing me around like a doll.

“Somone told him I was a kickboxing champ and he backed off. But it was quite nasty with a couple of bloody noses and ripped shirts and T-shirts all over the lobby.

“It was probably the boozers on our side who started it, but the wrestlers didn’t use their strengths in a professional way and were out of order.”

One hotel worker said: “It was mayhem for about 15 minutes. The boxers were saying wrestling was fake and that the big guys couldn’t fight — so they just grabbed them.”

A World Wrestling Entertainment spokesman said: “Our guys were checking in when the boxers began making remarks. They weren’t happy.” Police confirmed officers were sent. A spokesman said: “We sorted it out without any arrests.”

[Andrew Green]

"Ex-world kickboxing champ Kash “The Flash” Gill — 6ft 3in and 11st 6lb — claimed he was dragged around in a headlock by 22st, 6ft 5in wrestler Dave “Demon of the Deep” Batista, 36. "


Yikes...

A guy twice your weight and solid steroids... He don't need to know how to fight to hurt you. Throw in the fact that he tosses people around for a living and can take a lot of abuse...

[Bammx2]

.:uhyeah:

:rofl::rofl:

[Crom]

I don't care what they do for a living but who in their right mind would tell a 22st, 6ft 5in guy and his mates that they can't fight?

:whip:

:rofl:

[tshadowchaser]

I don't think I could get drunk enough to tell someone of the size of Batista that tell couldn't fight.
Man that was stupid.
I would have loved to witness it that could have been a pay for view event

[HandsOfStone]

bout with American telly wrestlers — in a posh hotel lobby.

Terrified guests dived for cover as the fighters squared up after a martial arts show, sending feet, fists and glasses flying.

They watched amazed as the boxers lashed out with a flurry of acrobatic spinning kicks and punches, while the touring grapplers hurled their opponents around the reception hall.


Yikes, that must have been a wild scene to witness! I agree with what Tshadowchaser wrote, you couldn't get me drunk enough to pick a fight with some of those guys in pro wrestling. I'm 6'2" and 220 pounds. I met Hulk Hogan once, and I looked almost like a kid standing next to him. And it's probably easy to ask the question, why did the kickboxers use "acrobatic spinning kicks and punches" but maybe that's the only way they trained. That also goes to show that even professional fighters can fold under the stress of real combat. :xtrmshock:

[rmcrobertson]

Uh--what the WWF and the rest do IS fake, in the sense that it isn't real wrestling.

Unfortunately, if they weren't extraordinary athletes with remarkable fighting ability, they'd all be dead by now--nobody without skill and knowledge and ability could begin to do that stuff.

Two minor points for martial artists--isn't this exactly what separates good kick-boxing from, say, good kenpo or good aikido; as I'm often told, you study a martial art for the time when you get into it with somebody who's your physical equal or better;

And, if anything teaches the fighting usefulness of learning to dummy up properly...

[rmcpeek]

Whether wrestling is fake or not, in my opinion the WWE is, although I agree with the previous post that they are exceptional athletes, this just is another case of "Beer Muscles" that got out of hand.

I guess you'd have to be pretty drunk to go up and start insulting guys of that size without provocation.

[Bob Hubbard]

Hmmm....

I dunno...I don't think theres enough booze out there to get me drunk enough to tell this guy he's a phoney....
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/577/577950/batista-interview-20050107023601879-000.jpg



This guy on the other hand....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/your_community/bhm/images/hall_of_fame/kash_150.jpg



All I can say is....WHOOOOOO! :rofl:

[rmcpeek]

Well, he is kinda big!!!

[RRouuselot]

Hmmm....

I dunno...I don't think theres enough booze out there to get me drunk enough to tell this guy he's a phoney....
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/577/577950/batista-interview-20050107023601879-000.jpg




Talk about "roid boy"......

[Rich Parsons]

Uh--what the WWF and the rest do IS fake, in the sense that it isn't real wrestling.

Unfortunately, if they weren't extraordinary athletes with remarkable fighting ability, they'd all be dead by now--nobody without skill and knowledge and ability could begin to do that stuff.

Two minor points for martial artists--isn't this exactly what separates good kick-boxing from, say, good kenpo or good aikido; as I'm often told, you study a martial art for the time when you get into it with somebody who's your physical equal or better;

And, if anything teaches the fighting usefulness of learning to dummy up properly...

I agree it is fake. I also agree that they are talented atheletes.

I was out drinking with some wrestlers, and they were concerend that I did not believe it to be real. I explained that I did not think they could not hurt people. I stated that at the end of the night, I get to hit him up side the head, he just stands there and takes it. Next week we go out drinking again, and he can hit me, and then see if either of us want to start all over again the next week? They smiled, and agreed, that you had to know how to punch and take a punch so as people did not get killed.

[Bammx2]

I have to admit...
wrestling as we know it IS fake.
Olympic and collegiate wrestling is the closest you get to real wrestling now.
But to take into consideration of ALL sports athletes...
WWE'rs and such, do thier job 5-6 days a week for approxamately 300+ days a year.
NOBODY else does, or very doubtful, could keep up with that knid of a schedule
physically or mentally.
Its definately not like going to your local dojo and training for 2 hours doing bag work, katas and such.
Now maybe....
if the kickboxers trained 2hours every day and fought every night,then it would have been a better or at least, a different, fight.
And p.s,.......

I was there and I was dyin!
it was some of the funniest stuff I have ever seen!
I am actually tryin to see if I can cctv footage of it,but I'm not sure....
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Tgace]

Good technique or not, when somebody outsizes you by that kind of margin, you are in for a rude awakening if you expect to "win" a fight with your martial arts prowess.

[RRouuselot]

Good technique or not, when somebody outsizes you by that kind of margin, you are in for a rude awakening if you expect to "win" a fight with your martial arts prowess.

Especially if they have the “chemical” advantage too…..

[Tgace]

Big size differences are one of the reasons to avoid fights and carry (legal) weapons....

[Makalakumu]

Good technique or not, when somebody outsizes you by that kind of margin, you are in for a rude awakening if you expect to "win" a fight with your martial arts prowess.

So, ummm, what your saying is, size matters?

[Tgace]

Yep..all that other **** is stuff women tell ya to make you feel better. :)

[RRouuselot]

Big size differences are one of the reasons to avoid fights and carry (legal) weapons....

I was thinking more like a low yield nuke might be better to take one of those guys out. ;)

[Tgace]

Or a really good "pressure point" strike....:rofl:

[RRouuselot]

Or a really good "pressure point" strike....:rofl:
Using a .45 cal. to "activate" the pressure point of course. ;)

[Simon Curran]

Like everyone else has already stated, going up against someone twice your size, who is used to soaking up punishment, is probably not a good idea.

WWE type wrestling may be fake, but they are strong, well trained athletes who get paid to throw other strong well trained athletes around, and in that kind of situation there is no referee around to stop the bout, and they probably don't need any motivation to let off all of their steroid induced steam...

[Tgace]

Using a .45 cal. to "activate" the pressure point of course. ;)
One of the closest things to a nuke you can carry on your person. ;)

[FearlessFreep]

Like everyone else has already stated, going up against someone twice your size, who is used to soaking up punishment, is probably not a good idea.

Getting drunk and picking a fight with *anyone* is probably not a good idea.

[ginshun]

I guess "fake" is all a matter of opinion. I am not sure exactly how you "fake" jumping off a 15 foot tall ladder onto a ring that doesn't look to be what I would consider soft, or onto a table. Sure the matches are fixed, so they know who will win beforehand, but they are still monsters amoung men, and a lot of the stuff they do in the matches is thought up on the fly. Its not like every move for the fifteen minute match is laid out in a script. They are also in just as good or better shape than most any other atheletes in the world. Now throw in the roid rage factor, and think about how sick they must get of people saying that what they do is "fake".

Doing anything to provoke people like that, being a martial artist or not, is akin to suicide IMO.

Anybody that tells you size doesn't matter is either selling something or lieing to themselvs and/or you.

[BlackCatBonz]

id just give that guy a no touch KO.......he'd be out for the count......and then id bust him wide open.

[Marginal]

I guess "fake" is all a matter of opinion. I am not sure exactly how you "fake" jumping off a 15 foot tall ladder onto a ring that doesn't look to be what I would consider soft, or onto a table. Sure the matches are fixed, so they know who will win beforehand, but they are still monsters amoung men, and a lot of the stuff they do in the matches is thought up on the fly. Its not like every move for the fifteen minute match is laid out in a script.

It is fake in the sense the the wrestlers are pulling their punches, and deliberately modifying throws and holds etc so that they don't to any appreciable damage to the other wrestler. (Not that there's any entertainment value in seeing someone eat a tombstone pile driver done with intent to damage of course.) I don't think that takes away from how physically grueling performing week in and week out is, but that does give plenty of basis for the claim that it's fake.

[Kenpodoc]

Fake refers to fixed choreographed fights. The are clearly skilled performers. And despite what your girlfriend may tell you, size counts.

Jeff :ultracool

[ginshun]

It is fake in the sense the the wrestlers are pulling their punches, and deliberately modifying throws and holds etc so that they don't to any appreciable damage to the other wrestler. (Not that there's any entertainment value in seeing someone eat a tombstone pile driver done with intent to damage of course.) I don't think that takes away from how physically grueling performing week in and week out is, but that does give plenty of basis for the claim that it's fake.

Agreed. "Fake" just has such a negative connotation to most people, and I am sure that the wrestlers have to hate it when people say what they do is fake. The fight outcomes and punches in general might be fake, but I am sure that the bruises, the falls, and the occasional accidental punch/kick to the melon are very real. Not to mention the muscles. Some of those guys are just plain freakishly huge.

[clfsean]

You gotta respect nature... whoever you are or however it was altered...


Plus Batista is a former MMA-er... size or not, he's capable of a nice throwdown session...