Ok.... Ask a Question and I will try and answer it.....

Who is first........
:asian:

what do you have for an accent mark?

:asian:

This should be easy. What's the difference between the underhand heel of palm and an upward claw? Is it the height of the strike or what?
Salute,
Jason Farnsworth

originally form seven was a double knife fom. why was it changed to a double stick form. how do you think this use of weapons in kenpo compares with the filipino systems. kenpo seems to lack counter to counter drills when it comes to the weapons, i feel this is a big gap in training and is necessary if you areto be realistic. what are your thoughts on this subject.

If you had to pick 10 things to pass on in the kenpo curriculum what would they be? They can be anything from specific techs. to particular concepts to general ideas.

Originally posted by Rainman
what do you have for an accent mark?


anywhere or during the Sal?


:asian:

Originally posted by jfarnsworth
What's the difference between the underhand heel of palm and an upward claw? Is it the height of the strike or what?

A underhand heelpalm is a heel palm thrown as it rises from a low region upwards ..... and hits strictly with the palm heel

A upward Claw is a maneuver similar to the upward heelpalm but also uses the fingers in a "clawing" fashion .


:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



anywhere or during the Sal?


:asian:


I said what do you have- not what I already said:rofl: No cheating:p



:asian:

Goldendragon,
I looked at the underhand heel of palm as a strike to the groin stopping on a lower plain. The upward claw on the other hand I execute as a strike going towards face level on a higher plain.
Jason Farnsworth

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt
originally form seven was a double knife fom. why was it changed to a double stick form. how do you think this use of weapons in kenpo compares with the filipino systems. kenpo seems to lack counter to counter drills when it comes to the weapons, i feel this is a big gap in training and is necessary if you areto be realistic. what are your thoughts on this subject.
Well, the knife form was finished first and initially dubbed Form 7

When the stick form was done.. Mr. Parker decided to move it to the higher position and change it to Form 8.

It is different from the fma because Ed Parker had differing views on the use of the knife in certain circumstances.

I think the realization of your question is proof of the product. If you realize, thru the use of Kenpo Logic that there is a necessity for a different drill to emphasis a weakness..... that's how we evolve and plug holes.... how do you think we arrived with several of the Forms, sets, techniques, and drills.

:asian:

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt
If you had to pick 10 things to pass on in the kenpo curriculum what would they be? They can be anything from specific techs. to particular concepts to general ideas.

1) Analytical study of motion....
2) Short 1
3) Long 1
4) Short 2
5) Long 2
6) Short 3
7) Long 3
8) Long 4
9) Long 5
10) Long 6

:asian:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rainman
I said what do you have- not what I already said.
[/QUOTE

From the 2nd hand signal (at right) as you raise your elbow and hand (warrior & Scholar)] the right hand blocks as the left heel palm strikes......

Now I'm not gonna let go all of these ........ mister....... lol

:asian:

Originally posted by jfarnsworth
I looked at the underhand heel of palm as a strike to the groin stopping on a lower plain. The upward claw on the other hand I execute as a strike going towards face level on a higher plain.
Jason Farnsworth

You CAN look at it that way also..... but they are two different strikes..... :) an upward heelpalm can also be to the chin, likewise an upward claw can be delivered upward to the groin.

:asian:

The difference being the fingers are used as the secondary back up weapons!:D
Salute,
Jason Farnsworth

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

[ Now I'm not gonna let go all of these ........ mister....... lol

:asian: [/B]


:roflmao:


:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

Ok.... Ask a Question and I will try and answer it.....

Who is first........
:asian:

If it is true, that AK techniques will continue to evolve, but then, why not the forms as well? Just Curious!:asian:

Originally posted by RCastillo
If it is true, that AK techniques will continue to evolve, but then, why not the forms as well? Just Curious!:asian:

Remember the 1st 4 Forms are considered the Dictionary's of Kenpo...... then short 3 up are considered the Encyclopedias...... and the sets are the appendices....

Think of the forms as the head of the Octopus and the techniques are the tentacles.......

:asian:

If a train left New York at noon going to Los Angeles, and at
the same time on the same track a train is leaving Los Angeles
and headed for New York, both trains are going a speed of 98
miles per hour .. at what time will the emminent collision happen?

:rofl:

I have seen this technique, but this one I beleive would not work in a real life situation. I have try doing this technique, it hurts my shoulders to reach up like that and grab. Second if they have a tight squeeze on your neck you got on seconds to get it off. Third I have heard of people trying to do a thumb lock with the back of the neck. thats B.S also. It is easier for the attacker to pull you back then is for you to pull him forward. I beleive in have a couple base techniques that work really well. Then having many that may only work occasional.
Bob :asian:

Originally posted by Kirk
If a train left New York at noon going to Los Angeles, and at
the same time on the same track a train is leaving Los Angeles
and headed for New York, both trains are going a speed of 98
miles per hour .. at what time will the emminent collision happen?


There always has to be one.......... 12:o'clock...... not it time to save the trains....... but I'll have to track this one..... But if I went to the Stations 2 hours after they left and no one was around..... I would know that they left! (I could see their tracks)

Now smart guy....... KENPO QUESTIONS ONLY ....... geez

:rofl:
:asian:

Originally posted by Kempojujutsu
I have seen this technique, but this one I beleive would not work in a real life situation. I have try doing this technique, it hurts my shoulders to reach up like that and grab. Second if they have a tight squeeze on your neck you got on seconds to get it off. Third I have heard of people trying to do a thumb lock with the back of the neck. thats B.S also. It is easier for the attacker to pull you back then is for you to pull him forward. I beleive in have a couple base techniques that work really well. Then having many that may only work occasional.
Bob :asian:

Well Bob,

Each technique/drill is taught for a reason, and they are only different possibilities that one may use to escape from a given attack. It certainly is not the only technique you could use and can be modified via knowledge of your "kenpo tools", i.e., you could stomp the instep to loosen up the grip so as to make it easier to escape thru the knowledgeable use of the equation formula's prefix.

I don't know exactly how clearly it was explained to you. There are several interpretations ..... here is an idea also...... you don't even need the hands to escape this hold..... you step off to your left and dip your head (as is done in the base explanation) and turn counter clockwise (without the hand grabs) and raise up. That alone can release the grip. From there you can left reverse sword hand to the groin or run.....

There are many, many different understandings of each technique to explore ask your instructor and keep working and studying the system ......... Your questions will lead you to the truth and knowledge.

:asian:

How do you explain the hand isolations at the end of form six? Disarms? Do you explicitely teach this, or do you just say they are disarms( if they are), and leave the student to try to figure out how they are applied?

EXcellent use of this forum. I have been waiting for this to be used for the right purposes.

When you teach short one how indepth do you go? Do you just explain walking the neutral with a double factor block, or do you unload everything you know about it? Could you unload some of the more esoteric knowledge you have concerning this form? Just a little something off the wall that will get me thinking.

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt
How do you explain the hand isolations at the end of form six? Disarms? Do you explicitely teach this, or do you just say they are disarms( if they are), and leave the student to try to figure out how they are applied?
EXcellent use of this forum. I have been waiting for this to be used for the right purposes.

at the end of Long 6 are (don't tell anyone now.... this is secret)
the Right and Left hand movements of the 1st Technique in the form, and the next set are the Right and Left hand movements of the last technique in the form.

Thank you...... I think this is also a productive and useful way to ask questions.

:asian:

Originally posted by Kirk
If a train left New York at noon going to Los Angeles, and at
the same time on the same track a train is leaving Los Angeles
and headed for New York, both trains are going a speed of 98
miles per hour .. at what time will the emminent collision happen?

Call the train station. They pay people to figure this out for you.

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt
When you teach short one how indepth do you go? Do you just explain walking the neutral with a double factor block, or do you unload everything you know about it? Could you unload some of the more esoteric knowledge you have concerning this form? Just a little something off the wall that will get me thinking.

All my teaching depends upon who I am teaching at that time. If it is an adult or child I may vary the type of instruction..... Lets talk adult and beginner........

I teach the basic form and do not "unload" (as you say lol) the entire realm of possibilities (that would take me several hours or days anyway). They are beginners and as such can and need only the basic understandings at this time, Emphasis ("at this time"). Kenpo is a "Process" and as such we need only to impart the necessary material that the student needs right now. At a later date once they have matured with skill and familiarity of the form (or technique) then it is time to impart more of the meanings and usage of the Form.

The 1st 4 Forms to our system are the dictionary's of the system and as such define movements that we use. here are a few....

Short Form # 1 teaches .....
Retreat while blocking with the front arm
Double factor
Rotation..... arm/body
Increasing depth
narrowing width
dropping height
4 basic blocks
180 degree angle changes
90 degree angle changes
to cover
opposing forces
settling
eye focus
peripheral vision
transitory covers
rear leg buckles
front leg checks
multiple striking within one motion
others.......

Mr. Parker has a saying.... "In motion is motion often overlooked"

:asian:

Do you still find time to physically practice alone each week and if so, how much time on average?
Respectfully,
Mace

I knew that they are the 1st movements of the first and last techs. in the form, I just wanted to know if you taught any applications for these movements. They seem to be very similar to filipino strips.

Originally posted by Mace
Do you still find time to physically practice alone each week and if so, how much time on average?


Of late, no I don't work out physically, more teaching and administrative. When I do it is usually for 30 minutes to an hour at this point in my life. When I was younger I would spend 3 to 4 hours a day.

:asian:

When you do get the chance to practice, what do you practice the most?

Also, I have heard many times the first four forms are the dictonary of kenpo and the others the encyclopedias. Could you please expand on this a little more what you mean?


:asian:
(a little slow of mind still, but improving)

Originally posted by Kirk

If a train left New York at noon going to Los Angeles, and at
the same time on the same track a train is leaving Los Angeles
and headed for New York, both trains are going a speed of 98
miles per hour .. at what time will the emminent collision happen?

:rofl:

( Please excuse the non-Kempo/Kenpo answer *)

I believe that the collision will not occur.

If A train left at Noon from NY and then
left at 9 AM from LA which is actually three
hours time delayed, when one would think the
trains would meet, would not occur since the
frame of reference for each train would be at
a different time. Therefore, the trains would
not collide since they would not be in the
same place at the same time.

See what a little bit of Philosophy and Mathematics
and late night bonfires and beer can get you. :D

Back to Kempo/Kenpo - My apologies for the interruption.

Rich

Originally posted by Rich Parsons



( Please excuse the non-Kempo/Kenpo answer *)

I believe that the collision will not occur.

If A train left at Noon from NY and then
left at 9 AM from LA which is actually three
hours time delayed, when one would think the
trains would meet, would not occur since the
frame of reference for each train would be at
a different time. Therefore, the trains would
not collide since they would not be in the
same place at the same time.

See what a little bit of Philosophy and Mathematics
and late night bonfires and beer can get you. :D

Back to Kempo/Kenpo - My apologies for the interruption.

Rich

Aha, but they're on the same track, with a set velocity. The
NY train would leave at noon EST, and the LA train would leave
at noon PST. So you'd have to factor in 3 hours of distance on
the NY train (3 x 98). Given the distance, 98 mph isn't all that
much, so a collision, I THINK would be eminant. I'm not gonna
actually figure it out though, it was a joke :-D .. but I couldn't
resist arguing with ya! ;)

Originally posted by Kirk



Aha, but they're on the same track, with a set velocity. The
NY train would leave at noon EST, and the LA train would leave
at noon PST. So you'd have to factor in 3 hours of distance on
the NY train (3 x 98). Given the distance, 98 mph isn't all that
much, so a collision, I THINK would be eminant. I'm not gonna
actually figure it out though, it was a joke :-D .. but I couldn't
resist arguing with ya! ;)

You know, I always hated math in school, and I still hate it now. It's time to end this exercise in futility right now!



:redeme:

Hi Dennis

3 quick questions:confused:

When teaching a step through side blade kick does your supporting foot stay in a neutal 45 degrees OR pivot to 90, 180 degrees?

When sparring what guard position do you prefer? One high/one low OR both high (boxing style) covering the head?

After a belt test do you have a standard belt giving ceremony. If so what do you do and say?

Cheers Dominic
:D

Originally posted by Klondike93
When you do get the chance to practice, what do you practice the most?

Also, I have heard many times the first four forms are the dictionary of kenpo and the others the encyclopedias. Could you please expand on this a little more what you mean?

1)
It all depends upon what I am working on at the current time. Some times it techniques, sometimes its forms, always work on basics and form...... balance also.

2)
Definitions "define" motion........ encyclopedias "explain details"....

:asian:

Originally posted by Dominic Jones
When teaching a step through side blade kick does your supporting foot stay in a neutal 45 degrees OR pivot to 90, 180 degrees?

When sparring what guard position do you prefer? One high/one low OR both high (boxing style) covering the head?

After a belt test do you have a standard belt giving ceremony. If so what do you do and say?

Cheers Dominic

1)
My base (left) foot pivots (points back) towards 7:o clock (if kicking with the right)

2)
* I use several positions depending up who my opponent is an
what he does.....
*If he is a head hunter then at least my lead hand is high......
*If a lead leg groin kicker my rear hand is usually lower....
*Normally both hands are mid chest or front hand low on my hips
and rear hand near center chest, until I figure out what he
does.........

3)
I posted the belt ceremony once on Martial Talk.......

FORMAL PROCEDURES TO BE OBSERVED DURING EXAMINATION FOR PROMOTION (Observers are not permitted to witness the Formal Test)

During the testing period for promotion, the following formalities should be adhered to:

LINE UP The students (or student) being tested will be commanded to line up at the designated area.

TRAINING HORSE - They will then be commanded to execute a Training Horse Stance (with their fists clenched and cocked on their hips).

They are to remain in this stance until the Board of Examiners
(Testing Committee) give them further instructions.

MEDITATE Meditation will be the next command.

ATTENTION Attention will be the next command.

SALUTATION The group will then be commanded to execute the Full Salutation.

BOW The command to bow will then be given.

SIT DOWN Students being tested will then be commanded to sit down on the mat, cross their legs, sit erect, and keep their hands on their laps. (The Board of Examiners has the option to request that students stand, reposition themselves, or make any other adjustments dictated by environment, or by the nature of the Test.)

FRONT & CENTER When student names are called, they are to come to the front, center themselves before the Board, stand at
Attention (with their hands alongside their legs), and focus their attention on the Chief Examiner conducting the test.

RESPONSE Students will then listen to what is asked of them and
respond, "Yes Sir", in acknowledgement of each and every request.

COMMENCE Depending upon the request, the student will commence by demonstrating his skill and knowledge according to the best of his ability.

SALUTE After completing everything that is requested, the student will then salute the Board of Examiners and await the command to return.

RETURN The student will then be commanded to return to his/her position and await further instructions. (Encourage
students to take prompt action when returning to their former position.)

LINE UP At the conclusion of the testing period, all students will
be commanded to line up in a straight line in front of the Board
of Examiners. They will then be commanded to remain in a
Training Horse Stance (with their fists clenched and cocked on
heir hips.)

They are to remain fast and await further instructions.

DECISION - At this point the Board of Examiners must make whatever decisions are necessary to establish who passed or failed their test. It is suggested that the Board of Examiners seek an isolated area, or room, where no one (other than the Examiners) can hear the discussions and decisions that are being made. Once the decisions are made, with the majority rule taking precedent, return to the testing area to inform the students as to who passed or failed.

NOTE: Students being tested are to be warned that any talking,
slouching, or unapproved adjournment during the testing period
could result in disqualification.

FURTHER NOTE: Realizing that testing procedures often require
tailoring, permission is hereby granted if such action is
necessary to improve the situation.

REMINDER: The above procedures are for FORMAL TESTS and observers are not permitted to witness such tests. Instructors, however, may wish to conduct INFORMAL TESTS of their own. In this case observers may be permitted if so elected.

FORMAL PROCEDURES TO BE OBSERVED DURING PROMOTION

RETURN - The Board of Examiners, upon their return, will now become the Presentation Committee.

ATTENTION At this point it is the duty of the Chief Examiner to call the students to Attention. Upon his command, the students will snap to Attention and face the Presentation Committee as they re- enter the room.

COMMENTS General and specific comments will then be adressed to individuals or the group as a whole. Students will
then be told whether they passed or failed.

FRONT & CENTER Those individuals who did not pass the test will be asked to reassemble to the rear. Those who passed will be asked to move to the front and center themselves before the Presentation Committee. If the number of students who passed are of concern, it is recommended that two or more lines be formed to accommodate the group. If there is only enough to form one line, have the students remain where they are presently standing.

KNEEL The students will receive the command to kneel before the Presentation Committee.

NEW BELT The new belt will then be placed on the floor in front of, and parallel to the student.

OLD BELT The students will then be commanded to take off their old belt. They are to neatly fold their old belt and place it
vertically and to the left of their new belt so that when the left
end of the new belt touches the bottom end of the old belt, they
form the letter "L". They will then be instructed as to the significance of this belt formation.

THE TOUCH From the students' kneeling position, command them to bow, and touch their foreheads to the top and flat side
of their new belt. Have them remain in this position for at least six (6) seconds before returning to their kneeling, upright position. They will again be instructed as to the significance of this formality.

NEW BELT The students who have passed will then put on their new belt and will adjust the knot on their belt so that it is
positioned properly.

RISE Upon the command rise, the students will then snap into an
Attention Stance.

TRAINING HORSE - When commanded, the students will then drop into a Training Horse with their fists clenched and on their hips.

INITIATION The Chief Examiner and the Instructor(s) will then
initiate the students, as well as explain the reason for the
initiation.

ATTENTION The passing group will then be commanded to come to Attention.

LINE UP The entire group (whether they passed or failed) will then be commanded to again return back to their original formation when first tested and line up in an orderly manner.

COMMENTS Final comments will be addressed to the students.

COMMITTEE - At this point the Presentation Committee will also stand and form a line facing the students. The highest ranking belt will stand to the extreme left (Committee's point of view) and all others (highest to the least) to his right.

SALUTE & HANDSHAKE All students will then be commanded to execute a Humble Salute and shake the hand of each Committee member, starting from the highest to the least ranking black belt. (From the student's point of view, they will start at the right and work their way to the left.) The first student to start this procedure will be the student with the highest rank. All others are to follow in the order of their succeeding rank.

Congratulations are in order if committeemen wish to do so.

JOIN - When the Senior Student salutes and shakes the hand of the last Presentation member, he and the remaining students are to join the line and in turn salute, and shake the hands of each of the remaining students. Students may also congratulate each other if the wish to do so.

MEDITATE The entire group will then be asked to Meditate.

ATTENTION They will then be commanded to come to Attention.

SALUTATION All will then be commanded to execute a Full Salutation.

BOW The final formal command will be to execute the concluding bow.

DISMISS All will then be dismissed.

NOTE: All students will be required to pick up their belt (if they
have not already done so) and clean up the testing area.

REMINDER: Observers are not permitted to witness the FORMAL TEST. They may, however, be allowed to witness the promotion.

PRESENTATION OF RANK CEREMONY

When you are commanded to take off your old belt from your kneeling position, you will be required to neatly fold your old belt and place it vertically and to the left of your new belt. When properly positioned the left end of your new belt should touch the bottom end of your old belt so that the letter "L" is formed. (See illustration.) You will then be informed that this "L" shaped belt formation has four significant meanings -- LIE, LONGEVITY, LOYALTY, and LOTS & LOTS. The following will then be read to give you an indepth understanding of the significance of these terms:

1. If the "L" formed before you stands for a LIE, a LIE that you
are not deserving of your new rank, then you are not to
accept it. However, if you feel that you have earned it,
knowing with assurance that it is not being given to you as a
gift, you may then accept it.
2. If receiving your new rank is not a LIE then "L" can take on
its second meaning -- LONGEVITY or your ability to prolong
your life. LONGEVITY can only come about if your knowledge of
Kenpo is internalized to a point of spontaneous and
successful application. If receiving your new rank is a LIE,
then LONGEVITY will be short lived.
3. "L" also refers to LOYALTY. Whether it be to your instructor,
association, or country, LOYALTY cultivates integrity and
respect.
4. The statement, "One becomes humble when he comes to the
realization that what he knows is very little.", is an
introduction to the meaning of the fourth "L". In this case
"L" stands for LOTS and LOTS. That is, no matter how good
you become there is still LOTS and LOTS to learn and perfect.

From your kneeling position, you will be commanded to bow and touch your forehead to the top and flat side of your new belt. You will remain in this position for approximately five (5) seconds before being asked to return to your kneeling position. The
significance of this formality is as follows (read):

1. At the moment your forehead touches your new belt you are to
mentally transfer your previous knowledge to your new rank
and to establish room for greater knowledge yet to come. You
are to also ponder on the following:

a. Fully understand your new roll as a senior student.
b Become a competent example among your fellow students.
c. Create rapport among them.
d. Encourage, and assist them whenever possible.
e. Avoid taking advantage of them.
f. In no way subject them to ridicule and suppression.

While still kneeling the following will then be read to those being promoted:

As you are promoted to your next rank, do you solemnly pledge to use the art of Kenpo solely for purposes of defense and never for aggression? (Wait for response.) Will you strive to impart an attitude of respect and appreciation for the art of Kenpo, and an understanding of what Kenpo truly entails? (Wait for response.) Will you endeavor to refrain or sanction the use of Kenpo for destructive or harmful designs? (Wait for response.) Do you make these promises solemnly and on your honor? (Wait for response.)

As long as you continue to keep this oath inviolate, may it be granted that you enjoy the life and practice of Kenpo, and forever be respected by your associates. However, should you trespass and violate this oath, it is hoped that the reverse will not be your lot.

Let us now recite the Kenpo Creed:

"I come to you with only Karate, empty hands. I have no weapons, but should I be forced to defend myself, my principles, or my honor; should it be a matter of life or death, of right or wrong; then here are my weapons, Karate, my empty hands."

By the authority granted under the constitution of the governing body of the Organization, we do hereby grant you your new and respective rank(s).

The student(s) who have passed will then put on his/her (their) new belt and will adjust the knot on his/her (their) belt so that it is positioned as required -- left side for males and right side for females.

The following will then be read:

Any dishonor to this school, the Orginization, or to any of its members can bring immediate and automatic revocation of rank and honor. As symbolized in our association patch, the bottom which forms the shape of an ax represents the executioner. In the event a member is influenced by evil ideas and thoughts contrary to our philosophy, or shames the Organization, he is to be cut off, never to co-exist with us again. (Display illustration of ax.)

Those who have been promoted will then be asked to stand in a horse stance with hands clenched and cocked at the waist. At this stage all will be informed of the next part of the ceremony -- the BIRTH OF PAIN. The following will then be read or extemporaneously discussed:

The earning of your new rank can be compared to the birth of a new child. For those of you who have been advanced from one color belt to another, the birth of your new rank is obvious. On the other hand for those of you who have received tips within the rank of Brown or Black, your new rank, although not as obvious, is indeed significant. Therefore, comparable to a female who goes through labor pains during the birth of her new child you too will be symbolically experiencing the birth of pain regarding your new rank. This experience is obtained through the execution of a friendly kick as a reminder that the new rank you have received did not come easy. Accordingly rank should not come easy for those you teach. Make every effort to make them work for their rank as you have. The birth of pain is a reminder that your students should earn and not be given new rank.

There you go...........


:asian:

Why do we have right handed fighters train from a left stance predominantly (dominant hand at the rear) whilst many styles such as Kung Fu seem to have their fighters use stances such that their dominant hand is their lead hand?

Also, I'm right handed and left legged, is this rare/freakish/a problem?

Ian.

Originally posted by Kirk

If a train left New York at noon going to Los Angeles, and at
the same time on the same track a train is leaving Los Angeles
and headed for New York, both trains are going a speed of 98
miles per hour .. at what time will the emminent collision happen?

:rofl:

well, Kirk, since there are at least six different routes from New York to LA, you'd have to know which track they're on, or at least the number of miles they're travelling....

also, 98 mph is a little unreasonable for trains... I think metrolinks average about 65 or so, and they go faster than amtracks.

Originally posted by satans.barber
Why do we have right handed fighters train from a left stance predominantly (dominant hand at the rear) whilst many styles such as Kung Fu seem to have their fighters use stances such that their dominant hand is their lead hand?

Also, I'm right handed and left legged, is this rare/freakish/a problem?Ian.


1)
Since the majority of humans are right handed.... we tend to fight from a left neutral bow (left leg forward/right rear) as a common comfortable starting position. This is due to the natural phenomenon of "shield and sword". We typically have a "sacrifice" (shield) hand and a "power" (sword) hand... The sacrifice hand is the left which naturally would be forward and the sword or power hand is in the rear. You can generate more power with the rear hand than the front, same is true with kicking. So the "left neutral bow" allows for the majority to be able to block or shield with their lead hand and deliver a powerful blow with the rear. Of course, since we train both sides in Kenpo, we actually become ambidextrous of sorts.

Personally I fight most often with the right lead because the mis-alignment of the majority is a benefit to me. My strong hand is forward and quicker leg for kicking and sweeping leads. For "point" tournaments where "knock out power" is un-necessary this is an advantage for me.

2)
As to your right handed - left legged personal realization, no you are not freakish, but blessed. LOL, whatever abilities you have you turn into usefulness in combat. Just continue to develop all your other abilities to match what you have "naturally" and you will become "gaseous" in action.

:asian:

I'm blessed with being ambidextrous, so I change my fighting stance around depending on who I'm fighting. I generally write with my right hand and paint with my left hand. However, when I'm in school and taking a lot of notes, if my writing hand gets tired, i just switch. Drives my teachers batty. I think a lot of it may be growing up in the computer/vid game age. you have to use both hands fairly equally to do well at stuff like that. Also, I think I was probably born left handed, and my mom tried to switch me. I remember her taking things out of my left hand and putting them in my right, but I think she did me a favor. Now I can write with either hand, paint with either hand, play a guitar left or right handed, switch hit in softball, and fight comfortably with either hand lead. I fence left handed because the person who taught me was a lefty, tho. It is very convenient when you do something silly like sprain a wrist, which I do more often than i'd like to admit. I am decidedly right footed though.

Mr. Conatser,

Just a note to let you know how much I am enjoying the Q&A string. I am surprised that more people are not asking about your relationship with Mr. Parker.

How long were you doing Chinese Kenpo before you switched to EPAKK? What rank did you obtain and did you continue the Tracy derivation NCKKA techniques for a while? Following that when did you start with American Kenpo, then end up as Mr. Parker's shadow at seminars? Then doing seminars on your own as an intro to SGM Parker? (I know a lot of this is in The Journey, but I wanted to hear/read more if you feel like sharing.)

By the way, I have a picture up in the school of you, Mr. Parker, and a bunch of Mr. Duffy's senior students at the time. It had to be at one of the early seminars in Austin (it has to be pre-1986, because I was still a Brown Belt.)

Answer as little or as much as you want. I can keep my questions more Applied Kenpo oriented if that is what you intended for this string?

:asian:
Oos,
-Michael
UKS-Texas

Originally posted by Michael Billings Mr. Conatser,
Just a note to let you know how much I am enjoying the Q&A string. I am surprised that more people are not asking about your relationship with Mr. Parker.


I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the string. I didn't know if anyone was interested in asking questions or not so I thought I'd try it. The feedback is good to determine what is wanted or not.


How long were you doing Chinese Kenpo before you switched to EPAKK? What rank did you obtain and did you continue the Tracy derivation NCKKA techniques for a while?


For 7 1/2 years I was a member of the N.C.K.K.A., and achieved my 1st Black in 4 1/2 years under Lonny Coots, then studied with his instructor for a couple of years and received my 2nd Black (lol was also demoted for one year back to 1st after being very vocal on some issue) oppss..... :( I continued to use the techniques that I had been taught and was in process of "Parkerizing" them when I got the opportunity to study directly with Mr. Parker. Once with Mr. Parker, I dropped the outdated technique curriculum and learned his syllabus completely.


Following that when did you start with American Kenpo, then end up as Mr. Parker's shadow at seminars?


I started with Mr. Parker in 1978. I don't think I was ever his shadow......... but WAS asked on numerous occasions if I were his son (I was with him every chance I could and I always loved to wear Hawaiian shirts of which he gave me one once in a while). I would call him and ask him what his schedule was so I could schedule him into Phoenix and where else he was going to be at and often times I flew to where he was to attend and assist him.


Then doing seminars on your own as an intro to SGM Parker?


Eventually I started doing seminars as well, for my close friends and others like Brian Duffy, who eventually became a student of Mr. Parker as well.


By the way, I have a picture up in the school of you, Mr. Parker, and a bunch of Mr. Duffy's senior students at the time. It had to be at one of the early seminars in Austin (it has to be pre-1986, because I was still a Brown Belt.)

Answer as little or as much as you want. I can keep my questions more Applied Kenpo oriented if that is what you intended for this string? :asian: Oos,-MichaelUKS-Texas


It says Q & A........ so ask what you want. If I can't or don't want to answer a question for whatever reason that is always my option. So fire away!
:rofl:
:asian:

Originally posted by satans.barber

Why do we have right handed fighters train from a left stance predominantly (dominant hand at the rear) whilst many styles such as Kung Fu seem to have their fighters use stances such that their dominant hand is their lead hand?

Also, I'm right handed and left legged, is this rare/freakish/a problem?

Ian.

Well you have company, I fight the same way. I'm right handed but kick left legged. I think it's cause I idolized Bill Wallace as a kid.

I like having my right hand back because it's my power hand, like a boxer.


:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



It says Q & A........ so ask what you want. If I can't or don't want to answer a question for whatever reason that is always my option. So fire away!
:rofl:
:asian:


I really respect the fact that you mentioned that you were demoted one rank (which you had mentioned to me before). The fact that you hung in there is one thing, but the fact that you don't try to hide it shows a lot about your character. And shows us youngsters that even the best have "things" that occur early in their career.

jb:asian:

... and no sarcasm intended. I have nothing but envy for the time you had with Mr. Parker ... but then I am glad there are people like you around to pass on, not only the knowledge, but the humor and intensity that was also his.

OOS,
-Michael
UKS-Texas
PS - you coming to town in late June?
:D

Originally posted by jbkenpo
I really respect the fact that you mentioned that you were demoted one rank (which you had mentioned to me before). The fact that you hung in there is one thing, but the fact that you don't try to hide it shows a lot about your character. And shows us youngsters that even the best have "things" that occur early in their career.
jb:asian:

Well thank you Jason...... it was not a "fun" year of my life..... in addition to that I was also "banned" from fighting for 3 months because while competing in the first MONEY tournament in Arizona, (and I was smoken at that time as a competitor) a competitor hit me square in the nose and made my nose immediately bleed! I was so furious (lack of personal control) that I grabbed the guy and started pounding him!!!!

Well they disqualified him for excessive contact....... but Mr. Hot Head got disqualified also for unsportsmanlike conduct. (hangs head):shrug: but I came out of that ......... a forms competitor..... since I couldn't compete in sparring...... I did forms and weapons... and placed nearly every tournament until I was able to fight again!:rofl:

Now I don't advocate you breaking the rules but I do wish everyone to make the best out of the hand you are delt with. What else can I say?!!

Again, thank you for the feedback.
:asian:

Now I understand why Mr. C laughed at me when I told him about me getting my 1st Black taken away from me and not being allowed to wear a belt at all for a couple of years! (major lack of self-control). I laugh about it now, it wasn't so funny then. About the left hand-right hand issue. I was born left handed, but in the mid-70's in southern Virginia, teachers were still taking pencils out of the left hand and rapping it with a ruler until you learned to write right handed. That continued until I shattered my right hand (another lack of control issue at a young age). I rediscovered my left hand and came to rely on it almost exclusively....until I severed the arm to the bone and almost lost it in 95. I rediscovered my right hand. I still write predominantly right handed but am ambi in most other matters. I fight left hand back, right foot forward. After I had my right knee reconstructed in 96, my right leg wouldn't hold me well when I kicked, so my right leg became my predominant leg, which was a really good thing since I am a front leg kicker.

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



Well thank you Jason...... it was not a "fun" year of my life..... in addition to that I was also "banned" from fighting for 3 months because while competing in the first MONEY tournament in Arizona, (and I was smoken at that time as a competitor) a competitor hit me square in the nose and made my nose immediately bleed! I was so furious (lack of personal control) that I grabbed the guy and started pounding him!!!!

Well they disqualified him for excessive contact....... but Mr. Hot Head got disqualified also for unsportsmanlike conduct. (hangs head):shrug: but I came out of that ......... a forms competitor..... since I couldn't compete in sparring...... I did forms and weapons... and placed nearly every tournament until I was able to fight again!:rofl:

Now I don't advocate you breaking the rules but I do wish everyone to make the best out of the hand you are delt with. What else can I say?!!

Again, thank you for the feedback.
:asian:

Okay, so who took away your rank? Mr Parker??? This I gotta
hear! Did he chew you a new one?

Thank you for your stories, and making this an exceptional thread to read and reread. Your wisdom and knowledge is greatly appreciated.
Salute,
Jason Farnsworth

Originally posted by Kirk
Okay, so who took away your rank? Mr Parker??? This I gotta
hear! Did he chew you a new one?

No, I was studying under Gary L. Swan at the time in Universal City Texas. He demoted me for a year. Then for my good behavior and continued study, it was given back.

:asian:

Originally posted by jfarnsworth
Thank you for your stories, and making this an exceptional thread to read and reread. Your wisdom and knowledge is greatly appreciated. Salute,Jason Farnsworth


Thank You Jason for the feedback. I'm glad you are enjoying the string.
Keep the good questions coming!

:asian:

Master key techs.?

1.Thundering hammers

2.5 swords

3. lone kimono

4. shielding hammer

5.locked wing

6. thrusting salute

7. parting wings

8.hooking wings

9. intellectual departure? (this one is sometimes left out of peoples curriculum now but where else does this block occur?)

10.shield and sword or repeating mace.

is this close or way off base? too litte or too many? wrong ones?


2nd question--
in or out of kenpo who are some people you have seen that just made you stop and think dang that person is really good, and what made you think that.

3rd

who has hit you the hardest in your life?

Originally posted by Kirk



Okay, so who took away your rank? Mr Parker??? This I gotta
hear! Did he chew you a new one?

It's not my place, but I will say it wasn't Mr. Parker!!!! and "chew you a new one" isnt' really the appropriate way to approach a time which he just said wasn't an easy time for him.

We're here to learn, not just rehash old feelings. That line of questioning does nothing positive. Let's have some courtesy and think about how you would feel if the question was asked of you in the same manner.


jb:asian:

Originally posted by jbkenpo


Let's have some courtesy and think about how you would feel if the question was asked of you in the same manner.


I always do that ... but apologies nonetheless.

Thanks Jason, but I took no offense to Kirks question.... that was a long time ago and I learned the lesson..... thank you for watching out for my feelings......... you must feel close to me to feel that way....... lol.... I appreciate it!~ (but you revealed your inner feelings luke)

:asian:

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt
Master key techs.?

1.Thundering hammers
2.5 swords
3. lone kimono
4. shielding hammer
5.locked wing
6. thrusting salute
7. parting wings
8.hooking wings
9. intellectual departure? (this one is sometimes left out of peoples curriculum now but where else does this block occur?)
10.shield and sword or repeating mace.

is this close or way off base? too little or too many? wrong ones?


This is the Corrected List..........

1. Thundering hammers
2. 5 swords
3. Lone kimono
4. Shielding hammer
5. Repeating Mace
6. Locked Wing
7. Intellectual Departure*
8. Thrusting salute
9. Parting Wings
10. Hooking Wings

* Intellectual departure? (this one is sometimes left out of peoples curriculum now but where else does this block occur?
"if you mean this block include"... ID is taught in 1st Black for me.

Intellectual Departure
Circle of Doom
Rotating Destruction
Unfolding the Dark
Encounter with Danger


2nd question--
In or out of kenpo who are some people you have seen that just made you stop and think dang that person is really good, and what made you think that.


Man, that is hard, there are so many that I have seen, here is a partial list (I'm sure I will leave of someone).....

Steve LaBounty- total martial artist, Tom Kelly - tough teacher, Skip Hancock - the thinker, John Sepulveda - well rounded, Diane Tanaka - best female in Kenpo, Huk Planas - engineer,
Ralph Castellanos - meanest look and ability to back it up, Bob Liles - tough, Tom Riskas- cerebral giant, Ray Sua- great competitor, Byong Yu- smooth competitor, Joe Lewis-legendary fighter point/full contact, Mike Stone- most focused, Bill Wallace- best with the least (one leg that is difficult to get around, Steve Sanders- the fastest, Eric Lee-forms extraordinaire, Anthony Chan-best wu shu, Cynthia Rothrock- best female competitor (forms), Paulie Zink-flexibility king and lives his art like a monkey, Ark Wong- incredible Kung Fu master, Ted Tabura-most sharing and helpful, Benny Urquidez-king of no-fear attitude, Wally Jay-strongest controller and hand shaker, Robert Trias-great pioneer,
Tom Schlessinger-most logical for a Japanese stylist, Robert Haliberton-largest studio and largest of group of great fighters in one studio, Roy Kurban- king of toppling against all odds, George Chung-most talented competitor, & Ron Marchini- slyest fighter.



3rd Question--
who has hit you the hardest in your life?
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This is a much easier question, but only based upon those that I have been around there are several out there that I have not had the opportunity to feel as of yet.... but I know they are out there!!!!!!! .... Ed Parker, Tom Kelly, Steve LaBounty, & Joe Lewis.

:asian:

GD7,
I know Elvis and his wife did alot of private lesson training with Ed Parker. Did you at any time get to meet or train with Elvis or his wife. Also to let you know I don't do any of the Parker Styles of Kenpo. My style is more Okinawan Kempo. They seem close in what they do but there are some different things also. I like to compare Kenpo notes / techniques with Kempo notes / techniques. This is the reason for asking about Cross of Destruction.
Bob:asian:

Originally posted by Kempojujutsu
GD7,
I know Elvis and his wife did alot of private lesson training with Ed Parker. Did you at any time get to meet or train with Elvis or his wife. Also to let you know I don't do any of the Parker Styles of Kenpo. My style is more Okinawan Kempo. They seem close in what they do but there are some different things also. I like to compare Kenpo notes / techniques with Kempo notes / techniques. This is the reason for asking about Cross of Destruction.
Bob:asian:

No, I foolishly declined to go over to the Hilton one time when invited because I said ahhhh not now ....... next time..... and shortly there after there was no next time.

Tom Kelly was the one who taught Priscilla for a short period of time until she walked in with a black uniform...... and he told her to change to a white...... black was only for browns and black belts. She said..."you must not know who I am.... I'm Elvis wife"! Mr. Kelly being of course the most diplomatic person on the planet said I don't care who the hell you are these are the rules..... she walked out and soon found Mike Stone while checking out a Chuck Norris Studio. The rest was history.

I was sitting next to her in Las Vegas at Mike Stones 4 season tournament while at the head table in the early 70's.

Well Keep on a studying ..... were cousins......LOL
:asian:

What are some of your biggest pet peeves in EPAK today?

This one, I hope I'm not out of line here, but .... have you
ever seen Mr Parker in any physical altercations?

Why do the extensions start at Clutching Feathers and not with Delayed Sword?

I'm currious why none were put in for the 10 yellow belt techniques.


:asian:

Maybe no extentions as it was an addition later to the system? There is a large debate regarding the origins of the yellow belt and it's purpose. I've heard a few and most seem to have a similar thread through them.

The one I made up is that most students peed themselves when guys like Dennis came at them the first time on the floor.

It's not true but it's funny.

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

Thanks Jason, but I took no offense to Kirks question.... that was a long time ago and I learned the lesson..... thank you for watching out for my feelings......... you must feel close to me to feel that way....... lol.... I appreciate it!~ (but you revealed your inner feelings luke)

:asian:

Yeah,

Your ok...lol

Now I got Kirk thinking I'm a hard*ss when that is the further thing from the truth...

jb:asian:

Originally posted by jbkenpo

Now I got Kirk thinking I'm a hard*ss when that is the further thing from the truth...

Nah, no worries at all.

Originally posted by Kirk
What are some of your biggest pet peeves in EPAK today?


I think one of the biggest pep peeves I have is all the mis-information between the guys at the top. I think they all should work together to get to know and understand each other better so they can all work more or less together v.s. who is better or knows more than who.

"Rather than winning arguments ... I would like to see more agreements"!!

Many are trying to rewrite history and teach Kenpo as they want people to see it, rather than how and why it is like it was/is..... and enjoy all the differences and know why different people are the way they are and to acknowledge each others talents as such.


This one, I hope I'm not out of line here, but .... have you
ever seen Mr. Parker in any physical altercations?

No, but very close at the Internationals one year this fighter named "choo choo" was about to get his ........ handed to him. Mr. Parker came flying down the stage and the entire arena was around this one ring with he and Mr. Parker in the middle...... I was right behind Mr. Parker, Man was that exciting!! But it didn't come to pass. Thank goodness......... The guy smartly backed down......:rofl:

:asian:

Sir I don't understand what was corrected concerning the list. Was it the order? Does that matter? If so why? Thank you very much for answering these questions. Another question I have is your response concering Intellectual departure. I understand that circle of doom, rotating destruction, unfolding the dark, and encounter with danger have been formaulated from this but why is it missing from so many peoples curriculum if it is a master key tech.?

I just found this Thread. This forum/site is like a City! I may never see it all.

I heard last year that there were 9 Master key moves. I have not heard anything else about what or how many Master Key's there are until now.

Are there Master Key moves, or techniques or both?

Is that list with Intellectual Departure, Circle of Doom... a Family Grouping? I have never had Intellectual Departure, but I know Circle of Doom and Rotating Destruction. I was told that Intellectual Departure was removed from the Yellow Belt Curriculum because it was too hard for beginners to get. I was told that Mr. Parker had it in there and he is the one that also took it out.

Truly this is an Excellent Thread.
:cool:

Sir,

Can you tell the story of why some techniques have extensions/how they are grouped.

I mean that I have heard that there are no extensions for the Brown Belt Techniques because of the way the original techniques were grouped.

I heard that Mr. Kelly had orginally intended/developed the Brown Belt material for 1st-3rd Black so that the extensions began right after Green but that someone then later re-ordered these charts after Mr. Kelly put them together. I also heard that Mr. Kelly was not pleased with this.

I hope this is a worthy question for this thread.
:asian:

Sir,

Is there anyone out there who moves a lot like Mr. Parker so that by seeing them in action we may have a better understanding of how Mr. Parker looked in action?

If Mr. Parker doesn't have a "twin" then who would you say is closest? Or is there no one because Mr. Parker encouraged everyone to tailor the art to themselves?

BTW, you having Mr. Kelly do a technique on you at Mr. Duffy's camp last year was maybe the coolest thing I've ever seen. Those films of the Internationals that we all watched at breakfast were kind of hard to see from my table.
:asian:

Originally posted by Michael Billings

...I have nothing but envy for the time you had with Mr. Parker...

I had always hoped to study with Mr. Parker myself and this reminds me of a story.

I was told by one of the Black Belts at my studio around 1986 that Mr. Parker did not teach anymore and/or that he only did private lessons (which were undoubtedly prohibitively expensive).

Years later I finally switched to a first generation student of Mr. Parker and began learning EPAK.

I wish I had been able to study/see/visit Mr. Parker more often. The only 2 times I knew he was in Texas, I was there. I found out later from Mr. Duffy that Mr. Parker had been in or near Texas perhaps twice/year from perhaps 1985-1990. :mad: :cuss:

I want to stress that having this type of access to Mr. Conatser whether in person or via the internet is a gift and an opportunity that should not be taken for granted. I am very greatful to have fallen in with the group that I'm with.
:)

I second that. I've learned a lot from you, GD.

as far as I'm concerned will not be able to get enough thank you's from everyone on this website. I am very grateful Mr. C. thinks enough of each individual person that he answers the questions posted here. Well here's 1 more. Thank you Mr. Conatser for sharing your knowledge and time with the rest of us that can't always get to Scottsdale.
Salute,
Jason Farnsworth

Slow down, give the guy a chance to catch his breath and answer one or two of your questions before you scare him off!!

Yea, like that could happen ... NOT! But seriously, you may want to slow it down. I am 90% sure Mr. Duffy knows it or has seen it, so you may want to ask him. If not, the next time I see you I will teach you Intellectual Departure (or you can read it on my web site.) I know "Inquiring minds, just want to know."

Oos,
-Michael
UKS-Texas

Originally posted by cdhall

I was told that Intellectual Departure was removed from the Yellow Belt Curriculum because it was too hard for beginners to get. I was told that Mr. Parker had it in there and he is the one that also took it out.

It's hard to learn, unless taught well! Ask Huk Planas about it, and he'll give you tons of good info and make it easy to learn (or so it seemed when he covered it in a seminar I was at). Maybe it's just because we did it a thousand times. Then, Mr. Trejo spent the next hour showing us how to use it effectively in sparring. Quite a good day for learning Int Dep!

The problem I see with the tech is that it breaks a rule -- in it you turn your back to the opponent. Granted, you are doing a back kick at the time, but still you go from facing them to looking over your shoulder at them, then back to facing them.

But, once you learn it, you can see how it teaches a number of different concepts well, like one way to deal with a starting arm position that limits your defensive options, why we don't normally turn our backs, maintaining momentum while changing directions, one good way to surprise a sparring partner, and completing one of those _categories_ that so many people get irritated about. And other stuff. I'm sure when I'm a more advanced student I'll be able to pull more lessons to mind when I think of Int Dep.

In all, the tech has good and bad. I'm of a mind to teach it, so people can learn from it, even if it breaks rules as a self-defense tech (after all, it ain't the only one!).

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt
Sir I don't understand what was corrected concerning the list. Was it the order? Does that matter? If so why? Thank you very much for answering these questions. Another question I have is your response concering Intellectual departure. I understand that circle of doom, rotating destruction, unfolding the dark, and encounter with danger have been formaulated from this but why is it missing from so many peoples curriculum if it is a master key tech.?

I just re-stated the main list.... most I believe were correct.
The Order is not really important.

On a revision of the Yellow Belt Techniques "Intellectual Departure" was taken off of the Yellow belt due to its sophisticated content and the decision was made to insert a simpler technique (Sword and Hammer) in its place for that level. It was never dropped out of the system but not inserted anywhere else in any particular Belt level either, (yes, confusing I know, along with darting leaves, pinning wing, controlled wing and others) Mr. Parker had a plan in mind but we will never know what or where he was eventually going to put or do with them. So we just keep them on our Master List of Techniques and I teach it at Brown or Black as an additional uncharted technique.
:asian:

Originally posted by Klondike93
Why do the extensions start at Clutching Feathers and not with Delayed Sword?
I'm currious why none were put in for the 10 yellow belt techniques.
:asian:


The Yellow Belt Techniques were designed to be embryonic and easy to introduce Kenpo to the beginner. As such they were by design classified as "stand alone" techniques for a specific reason.

As Mr. Parker logically re-adjusted the rest of the curriculum he added the extensions to the Orange Belt thru Green and expanded the system up to 3rd Black.

I use the Yellow Belt Techniques as a drill for learning how to create Extensions for my Black Belts. Since there are no prior Extensions for these techniques Everyone can experiment and develop them as an exercise...... fun stuff.

:asian:

Originally posted by GouRonin
The one I made up is that most students peed themselves when guys like Dennis came at them the first time on the floor. It's not true but it's funny.


Now you are going to give people the wrong impression of me!! You didn't pee the 1st time I came at you (Your friend did and will again If I ever see him again) :rofl:

When I saw you ....... you hugged me!

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



Well Bob,

Each technique/drill is taught for a reason, and they are only different possibilities that one may use to escape from a given attack. It certainly is not the only technique you could use and can be modified via knowledge of your "kenpo tools", i.e., you could stomp the instep to loosen up the grip so as to make it easier to escape thru the knowledgeable use of the equation formula's prefix.

I don't know exactly how clearly it was explained to you. There are several interpretations ..... here is an idea also...... you don't even need the hands to escape this hold..... you step off to your left and dip your head (as is done in the base explanation) and turn counter clockwise (without the hand grabs) and raise up. That alone can release the grip. From there you can left reverse sword hand to the groin or run.....

There are many, many different understandings of each technique to explore ask your instructor and keep working and studying the system ......... Your questions will lead you to the truth and knowledge.

:asian:

A little like "Dancer" huh?

First I want to say that your contributions to this forum has been great benefit to many my self included. Your generous nature in sharing your fast knowledge is very refreshing and appreciated.

You've talked about Master Key Techniques.
How about discussing techniques containing Master Key Moves that are not Master Key Techniques.

Cecil Jackson

I notice you nave "Club Set 1" as a black belt requirement. Club set is not in the material I'm studying.

Is this an "official" requirement of the "16" system or is it a requirement of yours?

Is there any documentation, written of video available on it's performance?

Cecil Jackson

Originally posted by C.E.Jackson
A little like "Dancer" huh?


Yes, that is the Tracy equivalent technique

:asian:

Yesterday I was practicing my orange ext.'s and noticed that during Obscure Wing has the same footwork as form 5 does with Leap Of Death. When executing O.W. you take the opponent down face up and while executing L.O.D. the opponent is face down. Once the attacker is down is where the footwork ext. became the same. Is there a connection between the two with the new material for the next level?? OR does this happen to be a coincodence in material? Thanks.
Jason Farnsworth

Originally posted by C.E.Jackson
I notice you nave "Club Set 1" as a black belt requirement. Club set is not in the material I'm studying.
Is this an "official" requirement of the "16" system or is it a requirement of yours?
Is there any documentation, written of video Available on it's performance?
Cecil Jackson


Yes, it is an official Ed Parker requirement (at least for my studio prior to his passing). I usually don't post optional things that I may require for my students only the basics.

I did post the set on KenpoNet I think they have it stored in "the flame". I also posted it here as well some time ago you'd have to go to the archives.

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



Yes, it is an official Ed Parker requirement (at least for my studio prior to his passing). I usually don't post optional things that I may require for my students only the basics.

I did post the set on KenpoNet I think they have it stored in "the flame". I also posted it here as well some time ago you'd have to go to the archives.

:asian:

I could'nt find it in the archives here, but I did find it in kenponet. Thanks.

Also I found in kenponet the lock flows you guys were talking about a few days ago. I knew I'd seen them somewhere!

CJ

Originally posted by jfarnsworth
Yesterday I was practicing my orange ext.'s and noticed that during Obscure Wing has the same footwork as form 5 does with Leap Of Death. When executing O.W. you take the opponent down face up and while executing L.O.D. the opponent is face down. Once the attacker is down is where the footwork ext. became the same. Is there a connection between the two with the new material for the next level?? OR does this happen to be a coincidence in material? Thanks.
Jason Farnsworth

Man, you guys must have found the "smart pills" as Mr. Parker would say?!! lol..... keep your eyes open and you will see more of what you found!

Good job
:asian:

Now, maybe you undusted a bit better the story of the Full Blooded Chinese Man by the name of Tim O'Riley!:rofl:

To me, that's so tough to understand! My instructor says things
like that all the time, "this is just a variation of suchnsuch
technique, see?" as he does them both .. sometimes I got "OHH!"
and other times, I'm still like "huh?". I can never see that stuff
in the techs I learn. It's a bit of a bummer!

Originally posted by Kirk

To me, that's so tough to understand! My instructor says things
like that all the time, "this is just a variation of suchnsuch
technique, see?" as he does them both .. sometimes I got "OHH!"
and other times, I'm still like "huh?". I can never see that stuff
in the techs I learn. It's a bit of a bummer!

Yeah, I feel that way, too. If it helps any, some connections I went "huh?" about as a yellow belt I go "Ohh!" about now. It could be I understand better. Or, it could be that finding connections in Kenpo is like interpreting the Bible -- anything you want to be there is there, but who, if anyone, put it there?

Two conflicting ideas:
1) Ed Parker was a genius, making a thourough martial system with intricate detail and brilliant discoveries, which I will spend a lifetime figuring out, and
2) Humans have infinite capacity for self-deceit.

Can I trust the connections I find, or am I stretching too far to find the info? In the end, the ultimate master key technique, the one that covers them all, is "stop the bad guy". Delayed Sword alone holds most of the system that I've learned so far -- stop the attack, then counter multiple times.

Or maybe the only thing that really counts is that Kenpo gives me a logical way to look for stuff, making my discoveries as valid as anyone else's, whether the information was put there by Mr. Parker or not. If so, any connection I find is valid, providing I found it through logic. After all, that's how Mr. Parker found everything out in the first place, right?

Originally posted by Scott Bonner
Or maybe the only thing that really counts is that Kenpo gives me a logical way to look for stuff, making my discoveries as valid as anyone else's, whether the information was put there by Mr. Parker or not.

If so, any connection I find is valid, providing I found it through logic. After all, that's how Mr. Parker found everything out in the first place, right?

Our Awesome System [EPAK if taught correctly] first teaches us all the basics to motion, then teaches the awareness of your body actions and how to control them, then examines potential attacks and conditions of today's environment and offers a multitude of possible responses to form a knowledge base from which to logically draw from if ever a physical encounter occurs.

All "connections" or discoveries, parallels, tips, unique, interesting points, tweaks, and so on are there to either be taught or ran upon........ You have to ask yourself a question..... was this system this way by ACCIDENT OR DESIGN? My answer is that ....... there is WAYYYYYYYYYY to much stuff that puzzles together for it to be by accident...... no go hunt and find!

From there it's all yours baby!

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



Yes, that is the Tracy equivalent technique

:asian:

Bout time you gave me some credit!:soapbox:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



Now you are going to give people the wrong impression of me!! You didn't pee the 1st time I came at you (Your friend did and will again If I ever see him again) :rofl:

When I saw you ....... you hugged me!

:asian:

I never got hugged like that! I got beaten , unmercifully, and was told to like it!:wah:

Originally posted by RCastillo
Bout time you gave me some credit!:soapbox:


Not quite..... it was taken from Ed Parker in the first place..... silly!

:)

:asian:

Originally posted by RCastillo
I never got hugged like that! I got beaten , unmercifully, and was told to like it!:wah:

Now STOP that! He never got picked up in a LIMO like YOU did ........ either!!
:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



Now STOP that! He never got picked up in a LIMO like YOU did ........ either!!
:asian:

Hmmmmm, very true, and I'll be forever grateful for getting the "Elvis" treatment, but, was that Limo on the "Hot, Sheet?":eek:

if you keep it up you are going to be on the hot seat....... I have an egg warming up for you................:(

:rofl:

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

if you keep it up you are going to be on the hot seat....... I have an egg warming up for you................:(

:rofl:

:asian:

Ok, I'll go to the back of the class , and work on Short 1!:(

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



Yes, that is the Tracy equivalent technique

:asian:

Originally posted by RCastillo



Bout time you gave me some credit!:soapbox:

These boards are so great for expanding your horizons. I always thought "Tracy" was used as a Qualifier. Not a compliment!
:rofl:
:D

CD....... how could you........

He's our friendly neighborhood Armadillo Man!!!

:rofl:

Originally posted by RCastillo



Bout time you gave me some credit!:soapbox:

Mr. Castillo,

You mentioned on your site that you were introduced to the Tracy's in 1976. How far did you get? I noticed you got your Black in 3 years (1993-1996) from Mr. Tracy in Kentucky, how was that experience?

jb:asian:

He was drunk!:rofl:

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

CD....... how could you........

He's our friendly neighborhood Armadillo Man!!!

:rofl:

I am the "Rodney Dangerfield" of Kenpo, no respect!:(

Originally posted by jbkenpo



Mr. Castillo,

You mentioned on your site that you were introduced to the Tracy's in 1976. How far did you get? I noticed you got your Black in 3 years (1993-1996) from Mr. Tracy in Kentucky, how was that experience?

jb:asian:

The first time, I got to Purple, them moved away, and was unable to find in any Kenpo in my new locale.

The second time I got back into it, I pretty much had to relearn nearly all the stuff again. The testing under Master Al was a pleasant expereince, about 3 hours straight. Luckily for me, I was so pumped, that I had few problems, if any. :asian:

Mr. Tracy fell asleep ........
:)

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

He was drunk!:rofl:

:asian:

I was not!:drinkbeer

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

Mr. Tracy fell asleep ........
:)

No way, he watched me like a Hawk! And I was so awesome that the Golden One would've stood up and clapped for me!:boing2:

Stay on target............. Stay on target.......
:xwing:

It's been said that all styles have weaknesses, what weakness does Kenpo have?

Originally posted by RCastillo
It's been said that all styles have weaknesses, what weakness does Kenpo have?

I believe one of the weaknesses of Kenpo is that the current updates have not been available to everybody over a period of time so we have many different ideas from different eras that all boil down to good Kenpo at that time...... however Ed Parker was one to always want to "keep current", but many left at various stages of the evolution and thus have missed out on much of his newer developments and adjustments. Today - slowly but surely many are realizing this and updating their material when they find good information.

:asian:

Originally posted by RCastillo


I am the "Rodney Dangerfield" of Kenpo, no respect!:(

I'm sorry Mr. Castillo. I have much respect for you. Since Mr. C brought you to camp, you must be most worthy of my respect and I assure you that you have it.

But aside from bashing on TKD (as I explained in another thread somewhere), bashing on Tracy Kenpo :shrug: is the next natural inclination of a trash-talking Kenpo student. Probably for reasons similar to what I described in the TKD post.

Oops. You study TKD and Tracy Kenpo. Man. I don't know how to get out of this one. :eek:

Seriously, I was very glad to meet you, sir and you seemed very nice and if you were not of high quality I don't think Mr. C would have brought you to camp. I'll try to earn a "feather" or something from you before October. I hope you are coming back. I take it this was the forum you and Mr. C were referring to when you said that you had "met" on the web? Many respects.
:asian:

Originally posted by cdhall



I'm sorry Mr. Castillo. I have much respect for you. Since Mr. C brought you to camp, you must be most worthy of my respect and I assure you that you have it.

But aside from bashing on TKD (as I explained in another thread somewhere), bashing on Tracy Kenpo :shrug: is the next natural inclination of a trash-talking Kenpo student. Probably for reasons similar to what I described in the TKD post.

Oops. You study TKD and Tracy Kenpo. Man. I don't know how to get out of this one. :eek:

Seriously, I was very glad to meet you, sir and you seemed very nice and if you were not of high quality I don't think Mr. C would have brought you to camp. I'll try to earn a "feather" or something from you before October. I hope you are coming back. I take it this was the forum you and Mr. C were referring to when you said that you had "met" on the web? Many respects.
:asian:

Thanks for your support, compliments. I hope to come back to the next one. I hope to have a few feathers myself from DC when October comes around!:asian:

I will be off the air for a while due to my body being transplanted to Las Vegas for Speakmans Kenpo Camp this weekend.

But Monday I will be back on the air.
:asian:

Sir, I am having a little trouble understanding the contour concept of threading.

Do you use the contour of your opponent's joint as a guide for your weapon to hit its target.. I.e. if your opponent has his arm partially chambered so that you use his elbow joint to guide a punch to the target.. doesn't seem plausible...

or

Do you use your own joint as the point of contact as you are guiding your natural weapon to its target? i.e. Your assailant grabs your lapel and you place your elbow on his arm and keep contact to guide your hand to his temple.

or

Is it something else. If so, what?

Thanks in advance,
Doug

Originally posted by Turner Sir, I am having a little trouble understanding the contour concept of threading.

Do you use the contour of your opponent's joint as a guide for your weapon to hit its target.. I.e. if your opponent has his arm partially chambered so that you use his elbow joint to guide a punch to the target.. doesn't seem plausible...

or

Do you use your own joint as the point of contact as you are guiding your natural weapon to its target? i.e. Your assailant grabs your lapel and you place your elbow on his arm and keep contact to guide your hand to his temple.

or

Is it something else. If so, what?

Thanks in advance,
Doug

Either
:asian:

Much appreciated, I guess I wasn't all that confused.

... now for one that really does confuse me...

The EPAK secret codes, rKtsKB5aP et. all.(Freestyle Techniques) I work with codes for a living but even with Infinate Insights vol. 5 explaining it, it's beyond me. I'm hoping it is just difficult because I'm making it difficult, but having it worded differently might help.

Thanks in advance,

Doug

Originally posted by Turner

Much appreciated, I guess I wasn't all that confused.

... now for one that really does confuse me...

The EPAK secret codes, rKtsKB5aP et. all.(Freestyle Techniques) I work with codes for a living but even with Infinate Insights vol. 5 explaining it, it's beyond me. I'm hoping it is just difficult because I'm making it difficult, but having it worded differently might help.

Thanks in advance,

Doug

These look confusing but are actually easy....... the ones you have above are out of the Purple Belt group

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



Our Awesome System [EPAK if taught correctly] first teaches us all the basics to motion, then teaches the awareness of your body actions and how to control them, then examines potential attacks and conditions of today's environment and offers a multitude of possible responses to form a knowledge base from which to logically draw from if ever a physical encounter occurs.

All "connections" or discoveries, parallels, tips, unique, interesting points, tweaks, and so on are there to either be taught or ran upon........ You have to ask yourself a question..... was this system this way by ACCIDENT OR DESIGN? My answer is that ....... there is WAYYYYYYYYYY to much stuff that puzzles together for it to be by accident...... no go hunt and find!

From there it's all yours baby!

:asian:
Mr C and I have discussed jsut this pretty extensively. I learned so much form it that I decided to ude it as a teaching tool. Last night I had my students (mostly upper belts) break up into groups of 2 or 3 and pick any one of the yellow belt techniques (except Captured Twigs or Sword and Hammer) and tear it apart and analyze it. I gave them half an hour with it and then we discussed and disected it as a group. I think they were amazed at how little they actually understood the techniques until we did this.

1. The difference between:
a. Hopping
b. Jumping
c. Leaping

Leaping - Is it one foot leaving the floor, then the other; one lands, then the other as in Leaping Crane?

Hopping - Is it akin to a skip? Only one foot has contact with the floor, and you "hop" on it only; as in the gauging hop in Hopping Crane?

Jumping - Both feel leave the floor simultaneously and both land simultaneously? I get to this one by process of elimination only.

I have never been "taught" the difference, of course this is probably my own fault due to my not asking the right people at the right time. None-the-less, am I on the right track here?

Thanks,
-Michael

Originally posted by Michael Billings

1. The difference between:
a. Hopping
b. Jumping
c. Leaping
Leaping - Is it one foot leaving the floor, then the other; one lands, then the other as in Leaping Crane?
Hopping - Is it akin to a skip? Only one foot has contact with the floor, and you "hop" on it only; as in the gauging hop in Hopping Crane?
Jumping - Both feel leave the floor simultaneously and both land simultaneously? I get to this one by process of elimination only.
I have never been "taught" the difference, of course this is probably my own fault due to my not asking the right people at the right time. None-the-less, am I on the right track here?
Thanks,-Michael


Close but no cigar......

Hopping - Is one foot has contact with the floor (lets say the left foot), and you "hop" or leave the ground and land on the same (left foot).

Skip - is the same as hop except you "drag" the base foot along the ground, instead of leaving the ground.

Jump - is one foot leaving the ground (say cocking up your left foot - [right is on the ground] and jumping onto the other (left) foot with now the right leg cocked up as in Leaping Crane...... (should be Jumping Crane actually if based on the footwork).

Leap - Both feet leave the floor simultaneously and both land simultaneously as in Leap of Death.

:asian:

Muchos Gras,

Have fun at the Speakman's camp. I'll be thinking about yall. Give my regard to Sigung LaBounty and Sibok Kelly if they are there and any UKS guys you see, we know Bryan Hawkins won't be there, but some of the others may make it (Bob Liles?)

Oos,
-MB

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

I will be off the air for a while due to my body being transplanted to Las Vegas for Speakmans Kenpo Camp this weekend.

But Monday I will be back on the air.
:asian:

Can't wait to hear a report about it!

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



Close but no cigar......

Hopping - Is one foot has contact with the floor (lets say the left foot), and you "hop" or leave the ground and land on the same (left foot).

Skip - is the same as hop except you "drag" the base foot along the ground, instead of leaving the ground.

Jump - is one foot leaving the ground (say cocking up your left foot - [right is on the ground] and jumping onto the other (left) foot with now the right leg cocked up as in Leaping Crane...... (should be Jumping Crane actually if based on the footwork).

Leap - Both feet leave the floor simultaneously and both land simultaneously as in Leap of Death.

:asian:

Ugh, this stuff is gonna kill me! The reason I stopped studying
TKD is because I felt I was too big for all that jumping. The
jumping front snap kick was KILLING ME! I started in kenpo
because I was told that it was an art "for anyone". Now there's
gonna be MORE jumping? Oy, ve.

Originally posted by Kirk



Can't wait to hear a report about it!

Don't forget that I have a thread under "Organizations and Events" for this specific purpose.
http://www.martialtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=2231&referrerid=391
:asian:

Not all American Kenpoists are stagnent. I was a seminar a while ago where they were discussing Zach Whitson's "Counter Point theory. I was very impressed.

I don't think you'll be doing any jumping like if you were in TKD.

Unless your instructor did some TKD and wants to incorporate some of the kicks into it.


:asian:

Hi Dennis

The "H" in for example B1aH. Do you for the last move-

1. do a lead outward hand palm heel to the shoulder to keep the opponent in check?

2. Do you do an lead hand, inward palm heel to the face?

Cheers Dominic.

PS. Thank you for your detailed answers:)

Originally posted by Dominic Jones
Hi Dennis
The "H" in for example B1aH.
Do you for the last move-
1. do a lead outward hand palm heel to the shoulder to keep the
opponent in check?
2. Do you do an lead hand, inward palm heel to the face?
Cheers Dominic.PS. Thank you for your detailed answers:)


Neither, I use a left inward (fingers out - horizontal) Heel Palm Jab to the body as my base technique. You could use it to the face, but if you did B1a you have already hit the face once...... so we try to vary targets.

:asian:

What is a "simple" definition of Kenpo for those that are unfamiliar with it as you try to explain it to them?:asian:

I was going to ask why is the sky blue, but I already know that answer. So my question is very simple what is more important to a practioner, Balance or Power? I already think I have the answer for this but I would love to see what some others think.

I would go with Balance. It would seem we would all have a certain degree of power. Some more, due to their mass and how they apply it. Others, based on their finnese(hope that's spelled right)will be able to generate it differently?

I would think, that if a person is Balanced, they will be able to use their attributes in a way that best fits them, and get the most out of it. One may also say that if that was true, we would be incomplete, but can we really be the "complete" artist/practitioner?

Anyway, Thanks for listening!
:asian:

Originally posted by Rob_Broad
What is more important to a practioner, Balance or Power?


A practitioner needs both! However, if I were to choose one before the other it would be to develop Balance. For without "Balance" you will always have limited power.

Good Balance is a product of practice and proper body alignment. When your body is aligned properly it is able to function (with time and practice) at maximum proficiency. Power will become automatic if desired and focused upon when good balance is not constantly interrupting your movements.

Ricardo...... one flight feather!!

:asian:

Originally posted by Rob_Broad

I was going to ask why is the sky blue, but I already know that answer. So my question is very simple what is more important to a practioner, Balance or Power? I already think I have the answer for this but I would love to see what some others think.

Interesting inquiry- they work together and independently. If you look at power as being typed by 3 (intermittent, dynamic, and passive) passive doesn't require balance but (depending on circumstance) may rely heavily on- say momentum and the impact of strike to restore balance. Balance with rotation gets power... I don't teach power. Accuracy is more important than raw power along with timing. Power is too far down the list to compare with balance and real power is a cummulative effect anyways.


:D

Originally posted by RCastillo

What is a "simple" definition of Kenpo for those that are unfamiliar with it as you try to explain it to them?:asian:
Literature in motion.

Originally posted by RCastillo
What is a "simple" definition of Kenpo for those that are unfamiliar with it as you try to explain it to them?:asian:

I say ......... Kenpo is a modern American System of the Martial Arts Developed by Ed Parker using Logic and practicality as it applies to today's society, rather than the historical traditional approach.

:asian:

Originally posted by Seig


Literature in motion.

What ??? You must want me to get jumped on by a bunch of gang members if you want me to tell them that!:eek:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



A practitioner needs both! However, if I were to choose one before the other it would be to develop Balance. For without "Balance" you will always have limited power.

Good Balance is a product of practice and proper body alignment. When your body is aligned properly it is able to function (with time and practice) at maximum proficiency. Power will become automatic if desired and focused upon when good balance is not constantly interrupting your movements.

Ricardo...... one flight feather!!

:asian:

Cool, but I keep gaining a feather, then, losing a feather. Let's start negotiating here so I can keep what I earn! :confused:

I have an idea for you. Don't let Mr.Conatser take them back from you.:D
Jason Farnsworth

Originally posted by jfarnsworth

I have an idea for you. Don't let Mr.Conatser take them back from you.:D
Jason Farnsworth

I don't fare very well running into giant Linebackers from The Cardinals!:o

Mr.C. hit me pretty hard one time. I could tell that there was a whole lot more left on it as he was teaching the technique, not really looking at me and discussing it with the rest of the class. YIKES. I'm just a little guy too. I guess I need to do some more weight lifting.
Jason Farnsworth

Originally posted by jfarnsworth

Mr.C. hit me pretty hard one time. I could tell that there was a whole lot more left on it as he was teaching the technique, not really looking at me and discussing it with the rest of the class. YIKES. I'm just a little guy too. I guess I need to do some more weight lifting.
Jason Farnsworth

Yep, he hit me at camp back in October, right in the throat, had trouble eating lunch that day! But, I forced myself to do it:eek:

Mr. Conatser wouldn't hit you in the throat unless he meant it... well... uh... er... lets not assume that he meant it anyway.

Laughing Out Loud,
Billy Lear
:fart:

Originally posted by RCastillo



What ??? You must want me to get jumped on by a bunch of gang members if you want me to tell them that!:eek:
That assumes they know what literature means

Originally posted by RCastillo



Yep, he hit me at camp back in October, right in the throat, had trouble eating lunch that day! But, I forced myself to do it:eek:
He was probably getting even in advance.

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



I say ......... Kenpo is a modern American System of the Martial Arts Developed by Ed Parker using Logic and practicality as it applies to today's society, rather than the historical traditional approach.

:asian:

I get the feeling that eventually I will be admonished to quit quoting Mr. Speakman, but I always try to attribute my sources.

Mr. Conatser has a great answer but an explanation that I often use comes from my 1st or 2nd Seminar with Mr. Speakman:

"The goal of Kenpo is to do the most amount of damage in the least amount of time, with the least amount of effort."

Originally posted by Seig


He was probably getting even in advance.

Geez, I never thought about that. That means I owe him one!:snipe2:

Originally posted by cdhall



I get the feeling that eventually I will be admonished to quit quoting Mr. Speakman, but I always try to attribute my sources.

Mr. Conatser has a great answer but an explanation that I often use comes from my 1st or 2nd Seminar with Mr. Speakman:

"The goal of Kenpo is to do the most amount of damage in the least amount of time, with the least amount of effort."

For once, a serious question here. If I gave such an explanation, don't you think people might be taken ababck, turned off by a definition like that? Just curious.:asian:

We'd say, damn Texans, especially the Tracys, too violent! Seriously you are right. Things like that coming form a celebrity are ok to the general public. When it comes from a non-famous MA instructor it sounds like sociopathic behavior.

Originally posted by Seig

We'd say, damn Texans, especially the Tracys, too violent! Seriously you are right. Things like that coming form a celebrity are ok to the general public. When it comes from a non-famous MA instructor it sounds like sociopathic behavior.

I think if you look, you'll see that was one of my most brief posts. I may have made a mistake consciously trying to be so brief. :(

If you were trying to sell them painting, or dance, or Tae Bo lessons, I think there would a potential issue. But if you are talking to someone about "What type of Martial Art is Kenpo?" Then I think you are OK.

I also often then say that we have an Equation Formula and I may discuss for example how 5 Swords can be you slapping them stupid, or you striking the Radial nerve on your way to poke their eyes and then break their neck. We have options. Aikido I think seeks to restrain the agressor and admonish him to see the error of his ways (there is a good post in the Aikido thread where a guy did this to someone who attacked him with a bottle while he was on duty one night in a 7-11) but as Mr. Speakman said, I have to paraphrase a bit "... if you are on the street, and some guy is coming at you whacked out on Crack, with a high-pain threshold, then sometimes you have to cripple them to stop them..." and it is in this type of situation, when a layman might think to himself "Man, I wish I knew Karate" that knowing Kenpo may save your life.

So, it depends on the circumstances. But that was a phrase I do indeed use in the course of discussing Kenpo. I also discuss how it is a Science, how the Equation Formula gives you options, how the system was created in the 50's based on what Mr. Parker knew about the street and that it was continually revised to stay current and effective until his death in 1990.

So maybe if you guys were talking in the mall and I overheard you and dropped by and said "...most amount of damage, least amount of effort..." and walked off, that would be one thing.

But to communicate how Kenpo can save your butt, how it will, perhaps like Aikido, use the attacker against himself (borrowed force and so on), how when there is an emergency in the Parking Lot as someone attacks you as you and your wife and kids get in the car (especially if you see more than one person) it can allow you to drop one attacker as you fly into and perhaps even demorallize the others, I think the quote works pretty good.

I don't watch much of the Mixed Martial Arts stuff, but I still think that all things being equal, in any altercation, Kenpo can get you out faster, with less chance of you being hurt, than any other system. Regard for the safety of the attacker notwithstanding.

I hope that helps clarify my point. As Mr. LaBounty is fond of saying, Kenpo is a "Martial Art." And he likes to emphasize "Martial." Perhaps when explaining I lean too much in that direction. I also think that if you do forms and sets for 30mins, you have a better system than TaeBo and that therefore Kenpo has the basis for a great "Cardio Karate" program as well. It's all in there. But if someone is pressing me, they usually want to know why Kenpo is better for self-defense than "Brand X" and I think more damage/less time/less effort is a good answer to that question.
:asian:

I must preface my comments here with this, this is not a personal attack! please do not think it is. I have been in the Martial Arts a considerable amount of time. When you are talking to someone who is uneducated about what we do, do NOT go into so much depth, you will overwhelm and scare them. Instead of saying "cause the most amount of damage with the least amount of effort" you can phrase it like "to defend yourself in the most effective manner, with the least amount of force". Now, granted SOME people like the violence of the world today and will react to what you said well. But what about the Church going mother of 5? Or the Police Officer that wants to enhance his training? See what I mean? Like my Daddy always said, "Never miss a good opportunity to shut up." And what that means is, once you get the point across, shut up and let them ask questions or you will, in fact, oversell/overwhelm them and loose their interest. The one thing all of us here have in common, regardless of style, is a passion for the Martial Arts. Not everyone has that passion and some have to be brought around slowly. I stand by what I said earlier, I did not mis-interpret you. the other thing you have to consider, as an instructor, you are responsible for the actions of your students. You, Mr C and I can have a lengthy conversation on this, and you make valid points,

I can't remember the last time I was attacked by a crazy crack-high guy on the street with a high pain threshold. Or even the last time I had someone attack me in the parking lot as my wife and kids got into the car.

In fact these scenarios, should they happen, should make you wonder how you missed all the indicators of it going to happen in the first place.

Joe Average is going to use his martial arts skills in situations like this maybe once in a lifetime. Often martial arts schools and instructors use these situations to justify the training they do or to scare students into joining/staying at their schools. These situations they come up with, sheesh.

With few exceptions the people on this board will not be pro fighters. Will not be in S.W.A.T. situations, will not be having to face down crack users etc etc.

Don't get me wrong. I like violence. But I also know when it's coming and where and why etc etc. Because I try to look for it. It doesn't mean I will join in. If I'm backed into a corner by mr crackhead then obviously I have to wonder what kinda dork I am to let myself get there.

On the other hand I wonder how you can think that forms and sets will do you better than Tae Bo? I'm no Tae Bo fan but it's got better Cardio than forms and sets. In fact, if broken down properly it's got the same applied fighting motion. Just because they might not know how or why they are doing it doesn't mean they can't learn to and incorperate it into their work out. In fact, I've seen lots of karateka who have no idea what their own forms and sets are about. Perhaps both can be broken down and learned to equal or perhaps more in terms of a martial art.

While I again say I am not a Tae Bo fan the resulting crowds that it has drawn to the martial arts should tell you something. People might start off at a TB class and then progress into a more traditional martial art.

Just my 3 cents.

Originally posted by GouRonin

I can't remember the last time I was attacked by a crazy crack-high guy on the street with a high pain threshold. Or even the last time I had someone attack me in the parking lot as my wife and kids got into the car.

In fact these scenarios, should they happen, should make you wonder how you missed all the indicators of it going to happen in the first place.

Joe Average is going to use his martial arts skills in situations like this maybe once in a lifetime . . .

With few exceptions the people on this board will not be pro fighters. Will not be in S.W.A.T. situations, will not be having to face down crack users etc etc.

Don't get me wrong . . .
Just my 3 cents.

(* First, an apology if my post upsets or bothers anyone. *)

Hey Gou,

I agree with you on this issue. The last time I
dealt with a Crack head who was high? that felt
no pain, was years and years ago when I was
bouncing. I helped the Police officer I had
called in to deal with the problem when he
was on the ground losing and also getting bit by
this crack head guy. His wrist broke when I had
him pinned and he lifted me of the ground with
just one arm. Scary. But, truly how man people
see this. I know Police officers that have never
run into this.

I agree that the good martial artist would have
seen the situation before hand and avoided it.

How ever the person enters into Martial Arts
is irrelevant. The fact that they are their
for some reason is what counts.

In My opinion.

Rich :asian:

PS: Gou I will try not to make it a habit to agree
with you that often. :D

Here is my question, howcome you never hear anyone speak of Larry Tatum when people mention Kenpo seniors or prominent instructors? I have some old black belt magazine articles and it seemed like Mr. Parker thought highly of him, high enough to even say "he moves like me".......he even called him his "key protege' " in this article. Why is he never mentioned or considered??

Originally posted by Seig

I must preface my comments here with this, this is not a personal attack! please do not think it is. I have been in the Martial Arts a considerable amount of time. When you are talking to someone who is uneducated about what we do, do NOT go into so much depth, you will overwhelm and scare them. Instead of saying "cause the most amount of damage with the least amount of effort" you can phrase it like "to defend yourself in the most effective manner, with the least amount of force". Now, granted SOME people like the violence of the world today and will react to what you said well. But what about the Church going mother of 5? Or the Police Officer that wants to enhance his training? See what I mean? Like my Daddy always said, "Never miss a good opportunity to shut up." And what that means is, once you get the point across, shut up and let them ask questions or you will, in fact, oversell/overwhelm them and loose their interest. The one thing all of us here have in common, regardless of style, is a passion for the Martial Arts. Not everyone has that passion and some have to be brought around slowly. I stand by what I said earlier, I did not mis-interpret you. the other thing you have to consider, as an instructor, you are responsible for the actions of your students. You, Mr C and I can have a lengthy conversation on this, and you make valid points,

Email is a hard thing to use to convey a message. Doug is pretty sharp (both of the Dougs are actually), I don't think he'd break off into a mini-seminar on what Kenpo is for the off the street person. I think the definition he is giving is what he might say to white belts that are already in class and say "hey Mr. Brown belt how would you define this Kenpo stuff we're doing". Of course I could be wrong.

Most of the time it takes longer to explain something when you don't know what your talking about or if your using other folks' words. My thing (and I'm not an instructor) is that explaining Kenpo will never do it justice. If you want to come and see, cool. If you like what you see and hear, cool. If you don't and I never see you again, cool. If you never get up the nerve to actually come over and check it out (which is often the case), that's cool too.

jb :asian:

Originally posted by GouRonin

I can't remember the last time I was attacked by a crazy crack-high guy on the street with a high pain threshold. Or even the last time I had someone attack me in the parking lot as my wife and kids got into the car.

In fact these scenarios, should they happen, should make you wonder how you missed all the indicators of it going to happen in the first place.

Joe Average is going to use his martial arts skills in situations like this maybe once in a lifetime. Often martial arts schools and instructors use these situations to justify the training they do or to scare students into joining/staying at their schools. These situations they come up with, sheesh.

With few exceptions the people on this board will not be pro fighters. Will not be in S.W.A.T. situations, will not be having to face down crack users etc etc.

Don't get me wrong. I like violence. But I also know when it's coming and where and why etc etc. Because I try to look for it. It doesn't mean I will join in. If I'm backed into a corner by mr crackhead then obviously I have to wonder what kinda dork I am to let myself get there.

On the other hand I wonder how you can think that forms and sets will do you better than Tae Bo? I'm no Tae Bo fan but it's got better Cardio than forms and sets. In fact, if broken down properly it's got the same applied fighting motion. Just because they might not know how or why they are doing it doesn't mean they can't learn to and incorperate it into their work out. In fact, I've seen lots of karateka who have no idea what their own forms and sets are about. Perhaps both can be broken down and learned to equal or perhaps more in terms of a martial art.

While I again say I am not a Tae Bo fan the resulting crowds that it has drawn to the martial arts should tell you something. People might start off at a TB class and then progress into a more traditional martial art.

Just my 3 cents.

Gou,

In this case I don't entirely agree with you. Without going into discussion on class and social issues. Some neighborhoods in the US are pretty bad and drugs are very bad in the US. And, Sometime people don't have a choice of where they can afford to live. Larger cities like Houston, Los Angeles, New York have predators that prey on people at night and during the day all over the city. And for all my training and awareness of my environment I still think that in a given situation someone might catch me slippin so I prepare and condition for that. To say without a doubt its someone's fault if they get caught off guard is a lot like blaming the victim. Isn't Kenpo designed to take into account room for error?

"Often martial arts schools and instructors use these situations to justify the training they do or to scare students into joining/staying at their schools. "

In the big cities you don't have to do that. Let them go home and watch the evening news for a week.

The Tae Bo thing is a funny topic. I think their workout is great and very effective in weight loss, but you can still get the same kind of workout doing a combination of basics and forms in Kenpo. The only difference when they get into an actual fight is that they have to turn on the music before they can actually get started...:rofl:

jb:asian:

p.s. I respect Billy Blanks, he took what he accomplished in the square and made the most of it.

Originally posted by jbkenpo
Gou,
In this case I don't entirely agree with you.

Kewl. You stated your reasons and some of them are pretty darn good.

Originally posted by Rich Parsons
PS: Gou I will try not to make it a habit to agree
with you that often.

Like I always say, even a monkey falls out of a tree sometimes. Now you see the burden it is to be me.
:rolleyes:
**dramatic sigh**

Originally posted by GouRonin



Like I always say, even a monkey falls out of a tree sometimes. Now you see the burden it is to be me.
:rolleyes:
**dramatic sigh**
Try not to climb so high!:rofl:

GD7,
Welcome Back, how was your trip.
Bob:asian:

Originally posted by Seig


Try not to climb so high!:rofl:

Luckily for me, I'm afraid of heights!:eek:

Originally posted by Kempojujutsu

GD7,
Welcome Back, how was your trip.
Bob:asian:

He's broke, so start passing the hat around. High rank first!:eek:

going to do now that he has gambled away your school?

Originally posted by Seig

going to do now that he has gambled away your school?

Guess I'll send in my membership for the IKKO, now that Dennis "Gotti" Conatser has taken over!:confused:

is nearly complete!:jedi1:

Can anyone answer my question???? I would appreciate it.

Originally posted by brianhunter

Can anyone answer my question???? I would appreciate it.

Brian

Many people train under Larry Tatum through his school nd video program. He is often at many of the major events.

Originally posted by brianhunter

Here is my question, howcome you never hear anyone speak of Larry Tatum when people mention Kenpo seniors or prominent instructors? I have some old black belt magazine articles and it seemed like Mr. Parker thought highly of him, high enough to even say "he moves like me".......he even called him his "key protege' " in this article. Why is he never mentioned or considered??

Your in Wichita, if your one of Mr. Kelly's students ask him or another Senior Kenpo instructor via personal e-mail.

jb:asian:

Originally posted by brianhunter

Here is my question, howcome you never hear anyone speak of Larry Tatum when people mention Kenpo seniors or prominent instructors? I have some old black belt magazine articles and it seemed like Mr. Parker thought highly of him, high enough to even say "he moves like me".......he even called him his "key protege' " in this article. Why is he never mentioned or considered??

I think it's because there's just not a lot of his students here ...
yet. By NOT mentioning him, it doesn't mean anyone doesn't
think highly of him. Also, check older threads, his name has come
up on occasion.

Originally posted by brianhunter

Why is he never mentioned or considered??

I think the big deal is that he parted with Mr. Parker in the 80's on bad terms and also that his Panther videos promoted him as a/the Kenpo Master when Mr. Parker was alive (I think) and that didn't seem right.
:asian:

...people may talk ***** about him but no one ever talks ***** about his Kenpo.

GD7,

American Kenpo is so specific when it comes to definitions and terminology. How come it is not specific when it comes to targeting, i.e. pressure points? It would seem that this would be its logical conclusion. I don't want this to get into a discussion about SL4 because most people in Kenpo are not privy to it, and frankly I don't want to hear another thread about what is lacking in "Motion Kenpo." What is you experience with this and what are your opinions concerning pressure points and fajing and the more mysterious/phony/esoteric parts of the arts? Did you have any discussions with Parker on this subject?

Originally posted by GouRonin

...people may talk ***** about him but no one ever talks ***** about his Kenpo.

Yes. I've heard that he is good. And he is FAST.

quote: Originally posted by brianhunter

Here is my question, howcome you never hear anyone speak of Larry Tatum when people mention Kenpo seniors or prominent instructors? I have some old black belt magazine articles and it seemed like Mr. Parker thought highly of him, high enough to even say "he moves like me".......he even called him his "key protege' " in this article. Why is he never mentioned or considered??

Hey Brian, how ya' doin?
Damn surprised to find you on the forum, when I read your post the other day I knew it was you. I hope you enjoyed some of the info we threw at you a couple of weeks ago and didn't get overwhelmed, I have a tendency of doing that to people.

I think alot of the reason for Larry not being mentioned much here is because most here haven't seen him in the same light as yourself, or at all. With that said, maybe they should. I have found him to be the most knowledgeable, and nicest person I have ever trained with. And he's alot of fun on the airplane, we had a ton of laughs on the way there and back. I've been with the man and loyal to him for 12 years now, and have never regretted my decision to go with him. I've let him know up front that if he should do me wrong (don't think he ever will) that I'm outta there, and he's good with that. I don't think you need to get stupid or even cultish when you're dedicated to someone like him, or get fanatical about your appreciation for your instructor. Oh well, enough ranting.

Hope you're still kicking and having a good time in the art.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

Originally posted by ProfessorKenpo
I don't think you need to get stupid or even cultish when you're dedicated to someone like him, or get fanatical about your appreciation for your instructor[/B]

I agree ... but there's also nothing wrong in saying "I think my
instructor is the best out there". Or one of the best. My
instructor isn't near the rank of you Clyde, let alone Mr Tatum.
But he's damned knowledgeable, and a GREAT instructor. In all
my m.a. classes prior to taking kenpo ... k, I was gonna go on
a rant, but *whew*, I caught myself. Idol worship? HELL NO,
Admiration and huge amounts of respect? Definitely .. and there's
nothing wrong with saying so.

Originally posted by ProfessorKenpo

quote: Originally posted by brianhunter

Here is my question, howcome you never hear anyone speak of Larry Tatum when people mention Kenpo seniors or prominent instructors? I have some old black belt magazine articles and it seemed like Mr. Parker thought highly of him, high enough to even say "he moves like me".......he even called him his "key protege' " in this article. Why is he never mentioned or considered??

Hey Brian, how ya' doin?
Damn surprised to find you on the forum, when I read your post the other day I knew it was you. I hope you enjoyed some of the info we threw at you a couple of weeks ago and didn't get overwhelmed, I have a tendency of doing that to people.

I think alot of the reason for Larry not being mentioned much here is because most here haven't seen him in the same light as yourself, or at all. With that said, maybe they should. I have found him to be the most knowledgeable, and nicest person I have ever trained with. And he's alot of fun on the airplane, we had a ton of laughs on the way there and back. I've been with the man and loyal to him for 12 years now, and have never regretted my decision to go with him. I've let him know up front that if he should do me wrong (don't think he ever will) that I'm outta there, and he's good with that. I don't think you need to get stupid or even cultish when you're dedicated to someone like him, or get fanatical about your appreciation for your instructor. Oh well, enough ranting.

Hope you're still kicking and having a good time in the art.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

Yikes, Clyde is in da house!:eek:

Originally posted by RCastillo
Yikes, Clyde is in da house!

That damn desert yeti follows me everywhere. I just can't shake him.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ProfessorKenpo

[B]quote: Originally posted by brianhunter


Hey Brian, how ya' doin?
Damn surprised to find you on the forum, when I read your post the other day I knew it was you. I hope you enjoyed some of the info we threw at you a couple of weeks ago and didn't get overwhelmed, I have a tendency of doing that to people.


Clyde,
Good to see you also, To be honest with you I was about to give up Kenpo untill I met you guys. I have had a pretty rough experience with Kenpo and I had about had enough. I will not go into all the specifics because those are really for me to deal with. It did my heart good though, I FELT it for kenpo for the first time in a long time and Clyde you where a big part of that, your passionate about American Kenpo its something to strive for!! keep "professing" man and hope we cross paths again soon!!


Brian Hunter

Hey Brian, once bitten by the Kenpo bug, you 'll never loose the flame although it may not burn as brightly as it had. I have an ability to get most people as excited as I am about the art again and revive that flame to a bonfire (at least that's what it is in me), something Larry taught me how to do years ago with his passion for the art. I hope it doesn't go back to the flicker, and if it should start, I'll give you my phone # to contact me for questions if you have them or just chat (by the way, if you have a webcam you can get me on Netmeeting and have a cyber seminar). I'm glad you're doing well and reinvesting in yourself in the art, and yes, I will keep "professing" for people such as yourself in my endeavors to promulgate EPAK.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

I am quite impressed with Mr. Tatum. I have seen him move and have even felt it. He has an explosive power that is very impressive. He is a quite a nice guy and what i consider a good martial artist. I am glad to have met him, and i hope to see him more and more.

Clyde,

Hey man,

How is it going, Brian told me you were on here. It is good to see you are here. It was great meeting you, and i can't wait to see you and Mr. Tatum again. :)

Hey Jeff, good to see you guys posting and to hear about the renewed interest in Kenpo (wink, wink, nudge, know what I mean. Gotta love Monty Python for that). If you guys ever have a question, feel free to email me your phone # and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Thanks for taking the time to listen to me rant though.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt
GD7,

American Kenpo is so specific when it comes to definitions and terminology. How come it is not specific when it comes to targeting, i.e. pressure points?

It would seem that this would be its logical conclusion. I don't want this to get into a discussion about SL4 because most people in Kenpo are not privy to it, and frankly I don't want to hear another thread about what is lacking in "Motion Kenpo." What is you experience with this and what are your opinions concerning pressure points and faking and the more mysterious/phony/esoteric parts of the arts? Did you have any discussions with Parker on this subject?

Good Question.......

Well, you won't hear from me that anything is lacking in Kenpo (I don't use the word "Motion" that is someone else's) I don't feel there is, only things that have not been fully focused on and explained in great detail yet...... there are several areas actually that are not "specifically" detailed out.

Here are a few...

Specific Targeting
Grappling
The Universal Pattern
"Methods" of teaching the material
Master Key Ideas
Weapons usage
Basic's expanded usage
Training drills
Forms Definitions
Throws
Healing Arts
Others

Mr. Parker was in process of little by little going over many of these areas and expanding upon them but unfortunately ran out of time.

If they are to be explored then we must do it ourselves.

:asian:

Originally posted by brianhunter

Here is my question, how come you never hear anyone speak of Larry Tatum when people mention Kenpo seniors or prominent instructors? I have some old black belt magazine articles and it seemed like Mr. Parker thought highly of him, high enough to even say "he moves like me".......he even called him his "key protege' " in this article. Why is he never mentioned or considered??

I don't quite know what you are talking about when you say you "never" hear anyone mention him. He is talked about in many areas and on many forums. Is he a favorite or commonly talked about on this forum .......... no but so what? There are many that fill that bill.

Did it ever occur to you that the topic of LT is not for front on everyone's mind except his own students........ People talk about "their" favorite instructors...... not ALL the Kenpo seniors out there.... I might say the same about Dave Hebler..... he is not mentioned as you speak very often but is still out there....

As for magazine articles...... well don't believe everything you read!

:asian:

Are you saying the magazine article was wrong Dennis? If so, fill me in.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

Ask your instructor.

:asian:

So for the most part, are kenpoists taught techs the same way,
but the differences among the kenpo leaders and seniors come
into light during the "what ifs" ?

Originally posted by Rainman

what do you have for an accent mark?

:asian:

Would anyone care to share what an accent mark is exactly? I think I know, I just need clarification.

Originally posted by KENPO_CORY
What is an accent mark exactly?


As I refer to it.... it is a bit of extra knowledge that one may miss during the main stream of motion. A sometimes "hidden" meaning or strike that one may miss the first time around during a technique.

I also refer to it sometimes as a point to exaggerate or punctuate heavily.

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



As I refer to it.... it is a bit of extra knowledge that one may miss during the main stream of motion. A sometimes "hidden" meaning or strike that one may miss the first time around during a technique.

I also refer to it sometimes as a point to exaggerate or punctuate heavily.

:asian:

Thank you Mr. Conatser. :D

be soon........... hee hee

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

be soon........... hee hee

:asian:

I have one, unanswered:confused:

Originally posted by Kirk
So for the most part, are kenpoists taught techs the same way,
but the differences among the kenpo leaders and seniors come
into light during the "what ifs" ?


It depends upon the differences........ lol...... you need to be specific. In general I believe many of the differences are in the many different ways (what if's possibly) to do certain techniques, but more importantly are statements made concerning definitions, specific curriculums, credibility of certain individuals that may have helped Mr. Parker evolve his Art at different time periods, and other current material that Ed Parker used at the time of his passing. Certain individuals believe that they are the only ones that really knows this material and how it should be taught regardless of who else has studied with Ed Parker and for how long is not a consideration, as he didn't teach anyone other than them correctly. So unless you agree with exactly with all of what they say you are not on track with the right material.

So, no it goes way deeper than just the sequential order of the techniques unfortunately.

:asian:

If one of your children had to learn kenpo and you couldn't teach them, who would you send them too?

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt
If one of your children had to learn kenpo and you couldn't teach them, who would you send them too?



I would without a doubt send them to Steve LaBounty. As well as learning the Art from an Iron Workers view point he also instills great values, responsibilities, ethics, honor, correct basics, proper American Kenpo Technique and other invaluable traits that I would want my boys to learn.

I also would want them to be exposed to John Sepulveda, Skip Hancock, Paul Mills, Bob Liles, Bob White, and Huk Planas to round out their skills and get varying points of view.

:asian:

Originally posted by cdhall

I just found this Thread. This forum/site is like a City! I may never see it all.

I heard last year that there were 9 Master key moves. I have not heard anything else about what or how many Master Key's there are until now.

Are there Master Key moves, or techniques or both?

Is that list with Intellectual Departure, Circle of Doom... a Family Grouping? I have never had Intellectual Departure, but I know Circle of Doom and Rotating Destruction. I was told that Intellectual Departure was removed from the Yellow Belt Curriculum because it was too hard for beginners to get. I was told that Mr. Parker had it in there and he is the one that also took it out.

Truly this is an Excellent Thread.
:cool:
Sir, I'm reposting this question because it got lost on page 5. There are 3 of them there. I will resubmit them all here for you.

Originally posted by cdhall

Sir,

Can you tell the story of why some techniques have extensions/how they are grouped.

I mean that I have heard that there are no extensions for the Brown Belt Techniques because of the way the original techniques were grouped.

I heard that Mr. Kelly had orginally intended/developed the Brown Belt material for 1st-3rd Black so that the extensions began right after Green but that someone then later re-ordered these charts after Mr. Kelly put them together. I also heard that Mr. Kelly was not pleased with this.

I hope this is a worthy question for this thread.
:asian:
Sir, this is 2 of 3. I hope I'm not compounding an error by resubmitting these 3 back-to-back again.
:)

Originally posted by cdhall

Sir,

Is there anyone out there who moves a lot like Mr. Parker so that by seeing them in action we may have a better understanding of how Mr. Parker looked in action?

If Mr. Parker doesn't have a "twin" then who would you say is closest? Or is there no one because Mr. Parker encouraged everyone to tailor the art to themselves?

BTW, you having Mr. Kelly do a technique on you at Mr. Duffy's camp last year was maybe the coolest thing I've ever seen. Those films of the Internationals that we all watched at breakfast were kind of hard to see from my table.
:asian:
3 of 3, sir.
:asian:

Ok Mister million and one questions........ ps do you have an instructor? hee hee j/k

Originally posted by cdhall
I heard last year that there were 9 Master key moves.


No, there are 10



Are there Master Key moves, or techniques or both?


There are 10 Master Key Techniques...... however there are also Master Key drills and other master keys...... such as basics, forms etc.


Is that list with Intellectual Departure, Circle of Doom... a Family Grouping? I have never had Intellectual Departure, but I know Circle of Doom and Rotating Destruction.


yes


I was told that Intellectual Departure was removed from the Yellow Belt Curriculum because it was too hard for beginners to get. I was told that Mr. Parker had it in there and he is the one that also took it out.


Intellectual Departure was replaced by Sword and Hammer which was a much easier technique for the beginning student. Intellectual Departure was deemed too sophisticated for that belt and was replaced. Yes, Mr. Parker did make the move. Do you think anybody could tell him what to do? lol He agreed with the ideas and changed the curriculum at that time.


Why do some techniques have extensions/how they are grouped.

I heard that Mr. Kelly had orginally intended/developed the Brown Belt material for 1st-3rd Black so that the extensions began right after Green but that the charts were later re-configured after Mr. Kelly put them together.

I also heard that Mr. Kelly was not pleased with this.


When I started with Mr. Parker we had 32 Techniques for Orange, Purple, Blue, & Green Belts. No Brown or Black techniques. Mr. Parker was trying to "Franchise" and pull back in many of the existing Kenpo studios out there and one of the things needed was a business plan or a good curriculum. It didn't look good with just techniques up thru only Green belt so it was necessary to expand the curriculum, which is what he did.

Do you think it really mattered if Tom Kelly or anyone else was upset with the expansion...... after all whose system was it..... come on!!!


Is there anyone out there who moves a lot like Mr. Parker so that by seeing them in action we may have a better understanding of how Mr. Parker looked in action?


Well this is a loaded question....... I think there are a lot of guys that look "sorta" like Mr. Parker to some degree however, he was truly unique and really HIS STYLE was ALL HIS OWN, lol many of us try to emulate what we saw and felt.


If Mr. Parker doesn't have a "twin" then who would you say is closest? Or is there no one because Mr. Parker encouraged everyone to tailor the art to themselves?


As far as looks go...... His brother David is very close to his looks soooooooo close in fact that many will pass out if they see him!!!

As far as the ART goes........ No.... none fills those shoes in my opinion.

[/B][/QUOTE]
BTW, you having Mr. Kelly do a technique on you at Mr. Duffy's camp last year was maybe the coolest thing I've ever seen.
[/B][/QUOTE]

I just wanted you guys to see him move a little..... he's impressive.

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

Ok Mister million and one questions........ ps do you have an instructor? hee hee j/k


Yes, and has very good taste in Kenpo buddies.
Thank you for everything.
:asian:

When I started with Mr. Parker we had 32 Techniques for Orange, Purple, Blue, & Green Belts. No Brown or Black techniques. Mr. Parker was trying to "Franchise" and pull back in many of the existing Kenpo studios out there and one of the things needed was a business plan or a good curriculum. It didn't look good with just techniques up thru only Green belt so it was necessary to expand the curriculum, which is what he did.

I guess this answers my question of why do the extensions begin at orange and not yellow.


:asian:

Originally posted by Klondike93
I guess this answers my question of why do the extensions begin at orange and not yellow.


Yellow was originally designed for children only, but it was so popular that it was added to the adults curriculum as well as a stand alone belt for the beginners.

However, today for my black belt candidates, I ask them to make up extensions for them...... it is fun and fresh since there are no extensions for them .

:asian:

I have a couple of questions. First, did Mr. Parker ever go into detail on his view about chi or ki or however ya wanna say it? And do you know of any resources or have any information about the cultivation of being able to control at will the ability to perceive the world around you at slow motion? Like when you're in a traumatic situation and the world around you appears to go into slow motion. I'd like to do a thesis on this in the future but I haven't had any luck finding information on the subject. Maybe I'm jumping the gun on my training here by trying to learn about this already. Any info at all would be greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by KENPO_CORY

And do you know of any resources or have any information about the cultivation of being able to control at will the ability to perceive the world around you at slow motion? Like when you're in a traumatic situation and the world around you appears to go into slow motion. I'd like to do a thesis on this in the future but I haven't had any luck finding information on the subject. Maybe I'm jumping the gun on my training here by trying to learn about this already. Any info at all would be greatly appreciated.

Before anyone doubts this, it does exist, as I've done it myself and can vouch for it's existence, in complete honesty, proper Matrix style.

That was an exceptional circumsatance though, I've never heard of anyone been able to do it at will? I suppose if the body is capable of it though there may be a way to master it, but I find myself sceptical.

Ian.

Originally posted by satans.barber



Before anyone doubts this, it does exist, as I've done it myself and can vouch for it's existence, in complete honesty, proper Matrix style.

That was an exceptional circumsatance though, I've never heard of anyone been able to do it at will? I suppose if the body is capable of it though there may be a way to master it, but I find myself sceptical.

Ian.

It's actually called Temporal Distortion, and it usually happens when you get a sudden adrenal dump in the body (happened to me during a motorcycle wreck). I know of no one that can do it at will either but constant training will give you a better edge in mental perception as opposed to physical speed. Time doesn't slow down, but you see motion like it is coming slower, but to the spectators, it's moving a 1000mph. It's all in your perception, trained and untrained.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

Originally posted by ProfessorKenpo
it usually happens when you get a sudden adrenal dump in the body

Now here is a great thread topic. I mentioned it before in another thread but no one seemingly wanted to discuss it.

Athos Antoniades is the only martial artist I personally have ever seen post anything regarding training for this sort of thing, and he mentions it only briefly. Check it out and see what you guys think. This is a section of the article he wrote; it's the only place in the article that he really mentions this at all. I posted a link to the article as well so you guys can read the whole thing. This guy teaches a version of Kenpo by the way.

http://www.nkka.freeserve.co.uk/Internalised/irish_Vol7no3.htm

"A subconscious reaction"
Something which I stress in my Kenpo classes, is the fact that fighting is a subconscious reaction. You cannot rely on the conscious thinking part of the brain to see you through a fight as it is too logical and fighting is not a logical process. We therefore train in methods to occupy our conscious mind so that the subconscious can take over.

This is known as the 'no mind' state of mind, or the state of 'doing without doing'. The years of training in our basics teach us mind and body co-ordination. We instinctively become spontaneous masters of adaptability with all our action being both defensive and offensive. The years of solo and two-person training in our techniques, forms, sets and sparring give us the ability to act calmly and spontaneously in a flash when the situation warants it. We will instinctively strike vital targets and Dim Mak points without thinking about it.

At a more advanced level, and certainly not before students have reached brown belt level, I will acquaint them with the 'reptilian brain' which can be thought of as the ultimate 'no mind' state. I have taught about the reptilian brain in the Chinese internal art of Tai Chi Chuan training and have incorporated it into my Kenpo with great success. Kenpo's rapid succession of strikes makes it very adaptable to the reptilian brain.

Humans have three brains inside their heads. The reptilian brain was the first that anything ever had. Reptiles, such as snakes and crocodiles, still only have this brain. Then there is the mammalian brain, which all animals have, and then we, as humans, also have the neo-mammalian or human brain. Humans have all three brains.

The reptilian brain is the survival brain. However, the modern way of life has really made this part of our brain - which modern science has identified as the brain stem - virtually redundant. In order to attain the highest level of martial arts, we must make use of this brain, as it is by nature our survival brain.

By training in both the external and internal arts, we will quite naturally go into this brain in an altercation. By internalising American Kenpo, students will learn to take advantage of this part of their brain. There are certain ways in which we can bring the reptilian brain into action, but this will only be taught to senior students, as it may cause problems if the student has not had an adequate training. Once the reptile brain has come into play, you are in a different world; everything around you seems to move in slow motion.

'No Mind'

Originally posted by KENPO_CORY

Athos Antoniades is the only martial artist I personally have ever seen post anything regarding training for this sort of thing, and he mentions it only briefly. Check it out and see what you guys think. This is a section of the article he wrote; it's the only place in the article that he really mentions this at all. I posted a link to the article as well so you guys can read the whole thing. This guy teaches a version of Kenpo by the way.

http://www.nkka.freeserve.co.uk/Internalised/irish_Vol7no3.htm

"A subconscious reaction"
Something which I stress in my Kenpo classes, is the fact that fighting is a subconscious reaction. You cannot rely on the conscious thinking part of the brain to see you through a fight as it is too logical and fighting is not a logical process. We therefore train in methods to occupy our conscious mind so that the subconscious can take over.

This is known as the 'no mind' state of mind, or the state of 'doing without doing'. The years of training in our basics teach us mind and body co-ordination. We instinctively become spontaneous masters of adaptability with all our action being both defensive and offensive. The years of solo and two-person training in our techniques, forms, sets and sparring give us the ability to act calmly and spontaneously in a flash when the situation warants it. We will instinctively strike vital targets and Dim Mak points without thinking about it.

At a more advanced level, and certainly not before students have reached brown belt level, I will acquaint them with the 'reptilian brain' which can be thought of as the ultimate 'no mind' state. I have taught about the reptilian brain in the Chinese internal art of Tai Chi Chuan training and have incorporated it into my Kenpo with great success. Kenpo's rapid succession of strikes makes it very adaptable to the reptilian brain.

Humans have three brains inside their heads. The reptilian brain was the first that anything ever had. Reptiles, such as snakes and crocodiles, still only have this brain. Then there is the mammalian brain, which all animals have, and then we, as humans, also have the neo-mammalian or human brain. Humans have all three brains.

The reptilian brain is the survival brain. However, the modern way of life has really made this part of our brain - which modern science has identified as the brain stem - virtually redundant. In order to attain the highest level of martial arts, we must make use of this brain, as it is by nature our survival brain.

By training in both the external and internal arts, we will quite naturally go into this brain in an altercation. By internalising American Kenpo, students will learn to take advantage of this part of their brain. There are certain ways in which we can bring the reptilian brain into action, but this will only be taught to senior students, as it may cause problems if the student has not had an adequate training. Once the reptile brain has come into play, you are in a different world; everything around you seems to move in slow motion.

'No Mind'


Interesting I just posted something similar to this on the LEFT_RIGHT thread.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

:asian:

Originally posted by GouRonin



Now here is a great thread topic. I mentioned it before in another thread but no one seemingly wanted to discuss it.

Gou, I didn't reply because you are so often confrontational, sarcastic and not serious. But I'll reply now to this post. This may be the second time you noticed that you and I agree on something. I would email you more often and reply directly to your posts but I think you and I have a different temperment and it is my predilection to avoid trouble that has me avoid you so much. Since you brought it up, I thought I'd address the issue. It may also explain why no one else replied. I was interested in what you said, but I didn't want to get into it with you. :eek:

Although I have not followed the link to Athos Antoniades' site, I have been there recently and I was intrigued by it.

I wanted to chime in here and say that I have experienced the slow motion effect myself. I have also read an explanation that may be consistent with Gou and Prof. Kenpo.

I have read (maybe in High School or College because I took a lot of biology classes) that when you are in a Fight or Flight state, the body "races" increasing your overall awareness. I think Adrenalin production increases... and your nervous system actually speeds up both of which combine to make you mentally and physically quicker. You can perceive things faster, you can be stronger and you can move faster. This "feels like" everything else is going slower but that is inaccurate.

I don't know exactly how this works. Maybe Gou and the Prof. will elaborate. I will go look on the web for more info. I don't know if they relate or not, but Mr. Parker Jr. says that Mr. Parker was a Dimensional Thinker and refers people to the movie Searching for Bobby Fisher to see what he means. Apparently, Mr. Parker was usually thinking "12 moves ahead" and this contributed to his speed and effectivenes.

I don't know if being a Dimensional Thinker is related to the Adrenalin Dump phenomenon, but I do know that sometimes when I spar or work with a new person, I can anticipate what they are going to do and just "get there first." Of course to them it seems like I'm going fast or I'm being a Genius. To me it is just that they are going slow and they are being predictable.

I'm guessing that if you get into a situation where you KNOW that you can "take" someone, you may be able to trigger this Adrenalin Dump and use it in your favor. I don't know. I may investigate this.

I do know that I went to a tournament once as a Purple or Blue Belt and had to fight a big guy who had been talking smack all morning about he only fights Black Belts... and I was scared of him. We got matched up for freestyle and during my Adrenalin rush which used to always make me weak and nervous, I was able to utilize and harness that energy to my advantage. It was the first time I was able to do this. It was amazing. Although he knocked me out of the ring during the match, I stayed on him and it ended something like 5 to 4 and he won. I was so proud that I didn't wet my gi, or fold-up or whatever. I will always remember that fight. Perhaps I was onto something there. ?

Great topic.
:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

:asian: GD7
Why no public answer?

Gou,

Have you met Vladimir's instructor, Mykial?(sp?)?

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt

GD7
Why no public answer?

My response was to Kenpo Cory at the top of the page.

:asian:

Oh. doesn't anyone sleep around here?

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



My response was to Kenpo Cory at the top of the page.

:asian: I know, I too was curios about your answer to Cory's question.

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt

Oh. doesn't anyone sleep around here?
Only when they make me

Originally posted by eternalwhitebelt
I know, I too was curios about your answer to Cory's question.

Ok.........


Did Mr. Parker ever go into detail on his view about chi or ki or however ya wanna say it?


Never in great detail.... would discuss a little, enough to believe it is real but nothing much further.


And do you know of any resources or have any information about the cultivation of being able to control at will the ability to perceive the world around you at slow motion? Like when you're in a traumatic situation and the world around you appears to go into slow motion.


No


I'd like to do a thesis on this in the future but I haven't had any luck finding information on the subject. Maybe I'm jumping the gun on my training here by trying to learn about this already. Any info at all would be greatly appreciated.


I suggested a professor in the Psych field.... I also encouraged the theis...... I would be interested.

:asian:

I do have an anecdote about Mr. Parker and chi...

Mr. Duffy was driving in San Antonio with Mr. Parker and Mr. Tony Martinez sometime in the early 70's I believe.

During the drive, Mr. Parker reached to Mr. Martinez in the back seat and "touched" his shoulder only to turn back around and continue talking with Mr. Duffy as he drove. Mr. Martinez just sat in the back very quiet. Later Mr. Parker reached back and rubbed Mr. Martinez' shoulder and asked if he was OK. I think Mr. Martinez may have been a bit stunned when he replied that he was fine. :eek:


Sometime after the drive was over and Mr. Duffy and Mr. Martinez were alone again Mr. Duffy asked Mr. Martinez "What was that about with your arm?" Mr. Martinez said "When he first reached back and touched me, I couldn't move my arm. It went numb." I think he also said that he could not even feel it. He said that when Mr. Parker reached back again he regained the feeling almost immediately. It freaked him out.

That is about all I have on this topic.
:asian:

Originally posted by KENPO_CORY
Humans have three brains inside their heads. The reptilian brain was the first that anything ever had. Reptiles, such as snakes and crocodiles, still only have this brain. Then there is the mammalian brain, which all animals have, and then we, as humans, also have the neo-mammalian or human brain. Humans have all three brains.

The reptilian brain is the survival brain. However, the modern way of life has really made this part of our brain - which modern science has identified as the brain stem - virtually redundant. In order to attain the highest level of martial arts, we must make use of this brain, as it is by nature our survival brain.

By training in both the external and internal arts, we will quite naturally go into this brain in an altercation.
'No Mind' [/B]

I don't know if this person's training works or not, but he doesn't know much about the brain. The brain has 3 sections, but they are not all that clearly delineated (each grew from the one "below" it, after all). The reptilian brain is far from redundant -- it handles little things like heartbeat and breathing. If something has to go, it wouldn't be the reptilian brain. The "higher" brain does not take over or duplicate these functions. Also, the reptilian brain is more than just thebrain stem. It includes the spinal cord and reaches up into the "lower mammillian" brain so that it's hard to tell where one ends and the other begins.

During an altercation, we don't just revert to using the reptilian brain, and indeed we would be more likely to use the "lower mammillian" brain, where, if I recall correctly, the hypothalamus lies. The hypothalamus handles the "four F's of behavior: fight, flight, food, and sex." That's the only part of the brain that might be more active during a fight than other parts, though most of the brain is going to light up as we try to use our eyes, ears, and sense of touch, and use that frontal cortex try to make good decisions. Even the focus on the hypothalamus is misleading, though, as fight or flight, though powerful, is far from the only part our brain plays in an altercation.

Oddly enough, the "no mind" state that Zen practitioners speak of mostly fires up the frontal cortex -- the "highest" part of the brain and furthest from the parts that control physiological survival functions. Essentially, "no mind" isn't a cessasion of thought so much as using thought to give the illusion of not having thought. It takes a lot of concentration to act without concentration. :D

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



My response was to Kenpo Cory at the top of the page.

:asian:

Oh, I wasn't sure if you were talking to me or not so I didn't respond. Thank you, I will be looking forward to that e-mail.

Dennis,

You have devoted an incredible amount of time and energy to this string. I am really appreciating it.

Talked to Curtis Abernathy and Jeff Schroeder last weekend at Edmund's seminar, and they seemed positive about helping host a seminar with you. If you are still up for this, we may be able to swing it. I talked it up with some of the Houston Guys and they were also interested.

I promise to have questions ... and a gag for CD when you make it down. I know Mr. Duffy's camp is soon and mine is in late September in California. Were you planning anything down this way in the interim?

I will give you a call in the next week or so.

-Michael

Originally posted by Michael Billings

Dennis,

You have devoted an incredible amount of time and energy to this string. I am really appreciating it.

Talked to Curtis Abernathy and Jeff Schroeder last weekend at Edmund's seminar, and they seemed positive about helping host a seminar with you. If you are still up for this, we may be able to swing it. I talked it up with some of the Houston Guys and they were also interested.

Amen! I edited this thread yesterday to go into my notebook but it still came out to 46 pages! I'm afraid to print it at work!

We are going to need to book the Erwin Center if Mr. C comes down here and we have 5 schools showing up! Is that going to work out?

BTW how does that work? Mr. Parker Jr. had an odd format I thought. 1 mixed class for 4 hours. I loved it, but would Mr. C be doing the same type of thing? I know, I know. Those are the types of problems we all want to have.
:D

I promise to have questions ... and a gag for CD when you make it down.
-Michael
:confused:
:eek:
:(

... how I (try to) just ignore Doug's questions all together?

(Darn, I couldn't ignore him)
We will work it out Doug. This is a school owner thing and I don't want to talk about other people's business and livlihood on an open forum. I am sure Mr. Duffy would be able to get a little extra private time for Mr. C. with his students, in addition to whatever seminar(s) he does with the rest of us. You cannot help but come out ahead of the game with where you study.

-Michael

Sorry, sir

I wasn't worried about anything, I just thought it was different the way Mr. Parker Jr did his seminar and I was curious. I figured also that with so many people/schools involved that we could amass a crowd like Mr. Abernathy put together. :eek:

I wasn't angling for an secrets. I'd email you if I needed something like that. :(

And I also would plan a day differently for a 3-4 hour seminar than I would for a 1.5 one.

Those were mostly rhetorical questions. Sorry it didn't come across that way. :confused:
:asian:

I sent ya an email. Ain't no big thing - OK, I have no sense of humor ... STOP IT, I can hear yall laughing now.
:rofl:
-Michael

Originally posted by Michael Billings

OK, I have no sense of humor ... :rofl:
-Michael


I would say that, you laughed when I said you broke my camera when we took a picture together at the EPjr seminar....

jb:asian:

Originally posted by Michael Billings

Dennis,

You have devoted an incredible amount of time and energy to this string. I am really appreciating it.

Talked to Curtis Abernathy and Jeff Schroeder last weekend at Edmund's seminar, and they seemed positive about helping host a seminar with you. If you are still up for this, we may be able to swing it. I talked it up with some of the Houston Guys and they were also interested.

I promise to have questions ... and a gag for CD when you make it down. I know Mr. Duffy's camp is soon and mine is in late September in California. Were you planning anything down this way in the interim?

I will give you a call in the next week or so.

-Michael


That'd be super cool! Can't wait for a Mr C seminar!

Originally posted by jbkenpo




I would say that, you laughed when I said you broke my camera when we took a picture together at the EPjr seminar....

jb:asian:

Duh,

I meant to say, "I say WOULDN'T that...."

jb:asian:

Any seminars coming to my neck of the woods? I'd love to go to one, I've never been to one, but they're all so far away from me.


:asian:

Heck it's still on fire there........LOL..... man I don't want be a bar b que! hee hee....... sure I'll come to Denver....... when........?
:asian:

Well your state was burning alot more than this one did. Man, 300,000 acres burned up, that's a pretty big chunk of land.

sure I'll come to Denver....... when........?


Tomorrow, I'll pick you up at the airport and I'll be the only one in attendence :D



:asian:

Any new questions for me ...... or are we running low....????? lol

:asian:

Originally posted by Klondike93 Tomorrow, I'll pick you up at the airport and I'll be the only one in attendence :D


Pigs get fat and Hogs go to slaughter!

lol:rofl: :shrug: :rolleyes: :eek: :cool: :D :(

:asian:

This may sound like a silly question, but why are there only short froms up through 3? I mean why not a short 4, etc?

Do you charge a standard fare for seminars, or is it always
negotiable? Do you include private lessons for the instructor?
I hear that you're fond of sparring .. what do you do if you go into
a school that doesn't spar? There'd be no equipment.

Is the rebounding principle as simple as it seems or is there more to it that just bouncing off your or your opponent's body to augment your techniques?

Thanks,
Rob

Sir,

Be careful what you wish for. I guess this makes me "Mr. One Million and Six Questions...." :)

1. I know you already said that you never saw Mr. Parker in an actual fight, but you were with him for Many demos all across the world right? So, what was the COOLEST thing you ever saw him do?

2. And/or when/where/what was the coolest demo?

3. And are any of these on video? I noticed that Mrs. Parker's book has some photos of Mr. Parker doing demos. Did any of them get on film/tape?

What is the best video out there for us to get and see Mr. Parker actually doing techniques... himself.

4. The IKC sells an Infomercial. I have seen a TV spot of Mr. Parker "What type of person studies Kenpo..." That was a cool commercial! Do you know if it is on the infomercial tape? Have you seen the Infomercial tape or the TV spot?

5. Just in case, what is the coolest thing we are likely to be able to get video of Mr. Parker doing. I mean in case the actual coolest thing isn't available. Personally I liked the TV spot. I've seen it in BW with no sound. In BW with sound. And once in color with sound. I may call the IKKA to ask if it is on that one tape they sell.
:ubercool:

Originally posted by Seig

This may sound like a silly question, but why are there only short froms up through 3? I mean why not a short 4, etc?

Actually we still teach short 4, I don't belive there are any other short forms after that though.

Michael

I have been given a "formula" to create Short 4-whatever, but I don't know how the Short forms were taught beyond Short 3 or why they were (not) taught separately.

Mr. C, will you elaborate on this phenomenon please?
:asian:

Originally posted by Seig
Why are there only short froms up through 3? I mean why not a short 4, etc?


There are those possibilities and others.:D

:asian:

Originally posted by Kirk
Do you charge a standard fare for seminars, or is it always
negotiable? Do you include private lessons for the instructor?
I hear that you're fond of sparring .. what do you do if you go into
a school that doesn't spar? There'd be no equipment.

I have a base and negotiate from there with the Host as to all the details.

I "DO" like sparring but there is no problem if the studio want some other topics.

:asian:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



I have a base and negotiate from there with the Host as to all the details.

I "DO" like sparring but there is no problem if the studio want some other topics.

:asian:

What if they give you carte blanc? What I'm getting at here is ...
if I go to Mr Duffy's camp without gear, am I doomed to be a
spectator? And if yes ..what do I need to bring to prevent that?

Originally posted by Robbo
Is the rebounding principle as simple as it seems or is there more to it that just bouncing off your or your opponent's body to augment your techniques?


The principle is simple.... to bounce, carom, or ricochet off of one block, strike, or surface and be utilized for another strike, check, block etc.

Simple but sophisticated when you apply the universal Pattern options to reality situations. Timing, angles, methods of execution, paths of execution, hand as well as foot actions all could have explanations here.

:asian:

[
QUOTE]Originally posted by cdhall
1. I know you already said that you never saw Mr. Parker in an actual fight, but you were with him for Many demos all across the world right? So, what was the COOLEST thing you ever saw him do?
[/QUOTE]

Move


2. And/or when/where/what was the coolest demo?


Probably in Australia with Frank Trejo. Lee Wedlake and myself.


3. And are any of these on video? I noticed that Mrs. Parker's book has some photos of Mr. Parker doing demos. Did any of them get on film/tape?

What is the best video out there for us to get and see Mr. Parker actually doing techniques... himself.


I think there are a few floating around... you will probably see more in the future become available.


4. The IKC sells an Infomercial. I have seen a TV spot of Mr. Parker "What type of person studies Kenpo..." That was a cool commercial! Do you know if it is on the infomercial tape? Have you seen the Infomercial tape or the TV spot?


Yes, I have that tape, it is a cool commercial.... I don't know what else is on that particular tape .... they have been redone and added to so much that there could be several today with many different things on them.


5. Just in case, what is the coolest thing we are likely to be able to get video of Mr. Parker doing. I mean in case the actual coolest thing isn't available. Personally I liked the TV spot. I've seen it in BW with no sound. In BW with sound. And once in color with sound. I may call the IKKA to ask if it is on that one tape they sell.


There will be seminars that he has done in various parts of the world or states that will probably redone and available to purchase..... don't ask me when.

:asian:

If short 4 didn't exsist in Mr. Parkers curriculum why put it there now? Was he toying with the idea of a short 4?



:asian:

Originally posted by Kirk



What if they give you carte blanc? What I'm getting at here is ...
if I go to Mr Duffy's camp without gear, am I doomed to be a
spectator? And if yes ..what do I need to bring to prevent that?

Cup and mouth piece...I'll let you borrow mine. Or someone else will definitely let you borrow theirs when they aren't fighting. Or I can bring my old gear (as long as your not allergic to duct tape..lol), but I think one of my buddys may come with me and borrow that.

The one year I did make the camp Mr. White did the sparring class. He's a pretty amazing guy himself and his sparring theory and drills are top notch as well. In fact, any one of the instructors could teach you something about sparring...they are all proven in the ring.

jb:asian:

Originally posted by Kirk
If I go to Mr Duffy's camp without gear, am I doomed to be a spectator? And if yes ..what do I need to bring to prevent that?


LOL.... well you won't be a spectator for long.... lol but he has a camp list of what you need for the camp http://www.akfkenpo.com/camp/

:asian:

Originally posted by cdhall
I don't know how the Short forms were taught beyond Short 3 or why they were (not) taught separately.
Mr. C, will you elaborate on this phenomenon please?


The first I heard of the short 4 and beyond was about 1985 or so.

It was fun to do and something new, with the old.

As to exactly why... I don't really know.

:asian:

Originally posted by Klondike93[B]
If short 4 didn't exsist in Mr. Parkers curriculum why put it there now? Was he toying with the idea of a short 4?
[B]

It is an option....... use it if you like or don't worry about it. All depends on how well you want to learn Kenpo I guess. :p

:asian:

Mr. C,

A lot of people ask about SGM Parker and how he moved and if its on video, etc...

As you know I started that quest 4 or 5 yrs ago (when I first started begging you for footage...which I still have never been able to pry away from you:D). Over the years have been blessed enough to see some pretty amazing footage of SGM Parker.

My question is what value can be gained by a student from seeing this footage? and, if there is any, do you make it a point to show your students actual footage of your beloved instructor? and if so, when do you do it?

In my personal opinion I equate it to the first person that broke the 4 min mile. Prior to that no one had, but after it was done once, then almost immediately more people began to accomplish that feat. The first time I saw SGM Parker move on video I said, "Wow, so that's what this stuff is supposed to look like at its highest levels". I said that again when I saw (and felt) you open it up a little for me. Prior to that, for me, the bar was at one level. After that it was definitely raised. I could also say the same for other vids I've seen of various (Kenpo & non-Kenpo) instructors.

Just my thoughts,

jb:asian:

Originally posted by jbkenpo
As you know I started that quest 4 or 5 yrs ago (when I first started begging you for footage ... which I still have never been able to pry away from you:D).


Yes, and you won't either. I will let that go when I want to and not before. Everybody wants something for nothing, nobody wants to pay the price.


My question is what value can be gained by a student from seeing this footage?


If you have footage and continue to seek more.... I should ask you the question.


Do you make it a point to show your students actual footage of your beloved instructor (Mr. Parker)? and if so, when do you do it?


Yes, I do show them footage from time to time if the question arises or if they are curious as to what he looked like. I refer to several Pink Panther movies, To Kill A Goldend Goose, or simply watch seminar tapes at my house.


In my personal opinion I equate it to the first person that broke the 4 min mile. Prior to that no one had, but after it was done once, then almost immediately more people began to accomplish that feat. The first time I saw SGM Parker move on video I said, "Wow, so that's what this stuff is supposed to look like at its highest levels". I said that again when I saw (and felt) you open it up a little for me. Prior to that, for me, the bar was at one level. After that it was definitely raised. I could also say the same for other vids I've seen of various (Kenpo & non-Kenpo) instructors.
Just my thoughts,
jb:asian:

Ok, I agree with you. I think it is useful to see films of the founder of the system .....

:asian:

I just realized that while I have seen Ed Parker Sr. in movies like Kill The Golden Goose and The Pink Panther series I have never seen him on any seminar footage.

Well, you should all be witness to this. I think we have finally found the one time where it sucks to be me.
:disgust:

Gou, it could be worse.....I could be you!:rofl:

Originally posted by Goldendragon7



1) Yes, and you won't either. I will let that go when I want to and not before. Everybody wants something for nothing, nobody wants to pay the price.


2) If you have footage and continue to seek more.... I should ask you the question.


:asian:

1) Big meanie...like that's gonna stop us from asking...:D

2) This is your Q & A, nobody wants to hear from a Kenpo nobody:shrug:

:asian:

Originally posted by Seig
Gou, it could be worse.....I could be you!

Ok, that would mean you've never seen seminar footage of Ed Parker Sr.

Of course that would mean you'd also be better looking.

Keep reaching for those stars baby!