I wonder Mike, are you willing to lose some money with that wager? I'd also bet you weren't around when they (the extensions) were being created.

DarK LorD
To be honest Clyde, I was told the same thing for many of the extensions. But then again, I don't have continuous access to Larry Tatum....darn, I hate living in Canada.


Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com (http://www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com)

I personally advocate all of the sets and forms. After all, they were all listed in Infinite Insights Volume 5.
I agree! At least this way if everyone were doing the same set of requirements most of the bickering wouldn't be with us. Those who have dropped material the students advance a little faster. Maybe we wouldn't have the your this rank & I'm this rank but I know more, why am I lower than you kinda thing.

Hey Drifter,

Long Form 7 is done with two sticks and was designed to utilize techniques right out of the system, although there are a few additional techniques that are new.

Long Form 8 is done with two knives, and also utilizes techniques out of the system. There is also a section of the form where the finger set is performed with the knives.


Hope that helps.


Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com (http://www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com)
http://martialtalk.com/forum/images/smilies/smileJap.gif Thank you sir. I was aware of the fact that they were done with weapons, but didn't know that Finger Set was performed within Long 8. My instructor teaches up to Form 7 (although I would bet that he teaches the Black Belts Form 8, simply because he is a knife aficianado...) but I've never seen it. My question was more along the lines of the Isolations at the ends of the forms, if there are any in 7 and 8. Thank you again!

I wonder Mike, are you willing to lose some money with that wager? I'd also bet you weren't around when they (the extensions) were being created.

DarK LorD

I don't know I heard that as well Clyde :idunno:

Since we are on the topic of Lee Wedlake, in his book, Kenpo Karate 201, he states that Star Block Set, Kicking Set, Coordination Set, Finger Set, and Two Man Set are the key sets of the system, while Striking Set 1 & 2, Stance Set 1 & 2, Staff Set, Kicking Set 2, Coordination Set 2, Finger Set 2, Long Form 7, and Long Form 8 were approved by Ed Parker, yet he did not require everyone to learn and teach them.


I personally advocate all of the sets and forms. After all, they were all listed in Infinite Insights Volume 5.


Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com (http://www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com)

As a student of Mr. Wedlake's I can say that have been taught all of the sets, I.e. Star Block Set, Kicking Set, Coordination Set, Finger Set, and Two Man Set as well as Striking Set 1 & 2, Stance Set 1 & 2, Staff Set, Kicking Set 2, Coordination Set 2, Finger Set 2. Before training with Mr. Wedlake I was required to know the latter for testing purposes.

When/Where did he say that? I'm going to wager that most of the techniques above the original 154 were not developed by Ed Parker. Same goes for most of the extensions past the original 32 orange belt extensions. They were made up by a few of his senior students, and may have had his stamp of approval, but they weren't developed by the man.

Richard Planas is credited with the first 9/10 of the 154 techniques (Yellow).
Someone else created the staff set.
Form 6 was the last form by Parker. Note the special closing in the final salute. 7 and 8 are weapons forms that some schools do not even teach.
Well sir you are partially correct. Some of the extensions were done by students of Mr. Parker. The "original extensions" were off the original 32 chart, and were known as the "Green/Brown" material to promote to brown. (I think I have the "manual" still in my archives.) Of course they were not originally extensions but simply the technique. Then with commecialization, the endings were split off to create another level of material. Some of the splits left some of the techniques "dangling." "Clutching Feathers ended with the heel palm, and "Dance of Death" ended with the takedown, as examples. This is also why originally there was no cross cover outs in the initial techniques. You were really right at he beginning or the middle of a technique and the crossover cover would come when you learned the extension and finished the technique. When the charts were changed to 24, this gave a chart and a half of extensions. Jim Mitchell worked a great deal on the rest of the extensions. Another good reason, in my opinion, to ignore them. I have actually have all of the archived extensions on video, created over a period of time with Jim Mitchell performing them unnder Ed Parkers scruitiny. (Not on camera, but his distinct voice behind the camera), as well as the rest of the commercial curriculum as well. Mitchell is also performing all of the "two-sets" he created.

The "Staff Set" was a collaboration between Ed Parker and primarily Chuck Sullivan.

The first original 10 techniques assigned to Yellow Belt were created last by several people. Tom Kelly was the primary influence with assistance from Richard Planas, and others, as well as Mr. Parker himself. It is important to note, no one ever created anything and injected it into the system without oversight, adjustments and approval of Ed Parker.

Forms 7 & 8 were indeed created by Mr. Parker. Originally all of the "formal" forms stopped at "Form 6." With these forms were certain "sets" Parker was developing. This included the "Club Set" and the "Knife Set." Mr. Parker while working on the club set(s) became frustrated because students were in a hurry to utilize them in competition, (the reason the weapons forms were created in the first place), so he stopped what he was working on, and simply took established techniques and modified them for a two-handed club form. This became "Form 7." This was unfortunate because the sets he was working on were unique and displayed single club in "open" and "closed" positions, and opposite open/closed in each hand in doubles applications. The "Knife Set" was simply changed to "Form 8."

Ok.... Ask a Question and I will try and answer it.....

Who is first........
:asian:When we talk about 30 tech per rank or 24 tech per rank and 16 tech per rank, are we talking about What SGM Parker was teaching at different times in his life or are the Tracys and others creating new kenpo techniques for their system?.

Tsunami kenpo

When we talk about 30 tech per rank or 24 tech per rank and 16 tech per rank, are we talking about What SGM Parker was teaching at different times in his life or are the Tracys and others creating new kenpo techniques for their system?.

Tsunami kenpo
Both.

I agree! At least this way if everyone were doing the same set of requirements most of the bickering wouldn't be with us. Those who have dropped material the students advance a little faster. Maybe we wouldn't have the your this rank & I'm this rank but I know more, why am I lower than you kinda thing.
You kidding right Jeff? You know they will find something to argue about. :)

Is Richard Huk Planas and good instructor?

Is Richard Huk Planas and good instructor?
He has an excellent reputation. If you have a copy of "The Journey" book, you can read about him starting page 135 of how he progressed through Kenpo.

- Ceicei

You kidding right Jeff? You know they will find something to argue about. :)

Well most will certainly find something to squabble about however it might cut down on a lot of it. :)

He has an excellent reputation. If you have a copy of "The Journey" book, you can read about him starting page 135 of how he progressed through Kenpo.

- Ceicei
He used to be about a hour drive from me. I wanted to contact him to study.

Well sir you are partially correct. Some of the extensions were done by students of Mr. Parker. The "original extensions" were off the original 32 chart, and were known as the "Green/Brown" material to promote to brown. (I think I have the "manual" still in my archives.) Of course they were not originally extensions but simply the technique. Then with commecialization, the endings were split off to create another level of material. Some of the splits left some of the techniques "dangling." "Clutching Feathers ended with the heel palm, and "Dance of Death" ended with the takedown, as examples. This is also why originally there was no cross cover outs in the initial techniques. You were really right at he beginning or the middle of a technique and the crossover cover would come when you learned the extension and finished the technique. When the charts were changed to 24, this gave a chart and a half of extensions. Jim Mitchell worked a great deal on the rest of the extensions. Another good reason, in my opinion, to ignore them. I have actually have all of the archived extensions on video, created over a period of time with Jim Mitchell performing them unnder Ed Parkers scruitiny. (Not on camera, but his distinct voice behind the camera), as well as the rest of the commercial curriculum as well. Mitchell is also performing all of the "two-sets" he created.

The "Staff Set" was a collaboration between Ed Parker and primarily Chuck Sullivan.

The first original 10 techniques assigned to Yellow Belt were created last by several people. Tom Kelly was the primary influence with assistance from Richard Planas, and others, as well as Mr. Parker himself. It is important to note, no one ever created anything and injected it into the system without oversight, adjustments and approval of Ed Parker.

Forms 7 & 8 were indeed created by Mr. Parker. Originally all of the "formal" forms stopped at "Form 6." With these forms were certain "sets" Parker was developing. This included the "Club Set" and the "Knife Set." Mr. Parker while working on the club set(s) became frustrated because students were in a hurry to utilize them in competition, (the reason the weapons forms were created in the first place), so he stopped what he was working on, and simply took established techniques and modified them for a two-handed club form. This became "Form 7." This was unfortunate because the sets he was working on were unique and displayed single club in "open" and "closed" positions, and opposite open/closed in each hand in doubles applications. The "Knife Set" was simply changed to "Form 8."

THANK YOU!, THANK YOU!, THANK YOU!

Doc, I was told almost verbatum by my instructor what you have posted here on MT. Thank you for setting the record straight. :asian:

Doc,
I am glad you posted, you have tied up some loose ends for me and helped me more than you know!
many thanks
Richard

Cool gentlemen.

GD7, I was wondering, since the Long Forms have isolations at the end of them that give a preview of what's to come, does the end of Long 6 preview Long 7, and does the end of Long 7 preview Long 8? I was just wondering due to the transition from empty hands to clubs to knives.

To my knowledge, the way you worded this, you must be a student under a "Planas" instructor. Most insturctors don't refer to the forms having isolations at the end of the forms as being a preview of coming attractions.

The forms do "layer" on top of one another and build upon each other reviewing the old and adding advanced possibilities.

The forms 7 & 8 do not fit into this series. What is now known as form 8 used to be form 7, due to the development of the clubs in a form, Mr. Parker made the clubs form (Form 7), and moved up the knife form to become now Form 8.

To my knowledge, the way you worded this, you must be a student under a "Planas" instructor. Most insturctors don't refer to the forms having isolations at the end of the forms as being a preview of coming attractions.

The forms do "layer" on top of one another and build upon each other reviewing the old and adding advanced possibilities.

The forms 7 & 8 do not fit into this series. What is now known as form 8 used to be form 7, due to the development of the clubs in a form, Mr. Parker made the clubs form (Form 7), and moved up the knife form to become now Form 8.
Thank you very much. I just prefer the term 'preview...' rather than isolations, actually. http://martialtalk.com/forum/images/smilies/smileJap.gif I still have some bugs in my vocabulary it seems.

When we talk about 32 tech per rank or 24 tech per rank and 16 tech per rank, are we talking about What SGM Parker was teaching at different times in his life or are the Tracys and others creating new kenpo techniques for their system?.

In the beginning .... "There was Ed Parker..." ... all the techniques were his, but he also encouraged students of early times to "expand" (and of course, continued to until his passing) and he would show options to the "base" technique he would introduce or teach that day. Many variations the spawned off of this type of teaching. This was the birth of the curriculum.

As these techniques were expanded upon and played with (practiced), many were then written down and recorded and over the years and at some point, named and were refined periodically. These then were place into a curriculum which also has endured many expansions. Some early students have gone their own ways taking some of this material with them and creating new variations on their own.

Ed Parker was always very particular and finicky about the techniques and always made sure that the current "version" had the most updated attention and innovations added to it before adding his authorative "stamp of approval" and placement into HIS system. (This is the heart of the differences between true Ed Parker material and others).

Several of the techniques have interesting "stories" associated with them. For example, Lone Kimona or the old term {Kimona Grab}, came from Ed Parker witnessing first hand Prof. Chow being grabbed once and this was the crux of Chow's response. He was obviously impressed and developed a technique to record his experience. There were several of these.

:asian:

Great backround Golden Dragon,
do you have any more techniques that are based on actual events.
Rich

Great backround Golden Dragon,
do you have any more techniques that are based on actual events.
Rich
A few, but I save those for live seminars and camps. :)

:asian:

I look forward to meeting you again at one of your events to hear about them.......next time you are in Eorope?
Richard

I look forward to meeting you again at one of your events to hear about them.......next time you are in Eorope?
Richard
Soon I hope........ I am waiting for your call! :)

:asian:

The "Staff Set" was a collaboration between Ed Parker and primarily Chuck Sullivan.
Hi Sir,

My independent research from my latest book, "American Kenpo Mastery: A Guide for Students and Instructors", had found something different (although this may be what you were alluding to).

While many believe that Chuck Sullivan created the Staff Set, of what I found, Ed Parker actually learned the Staff Set from a Chinese Kung Fu expert. Ed Parker then taught the Staff Set to Chuck Sullivan. Seeing a lot of repetitiveness, particularly with the spinning maneuvers, Sullivan streamlined the Staff Set and got the approval of the new version from Ed Parker (hence, the reason why many Kenpoists think that Mr. Sullivan created the set).

Your thoughts?


Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com (http://www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com)

While many believe that Chuck Sullivan created the Staff Set, of what I found, Ed Parker actually learned the Staff Set from a Chinese Kung Fu expert. Ed Parker then taught the Staff Set to Chuck Sullivan. Seeing a lot of repetitiveness, particularly with the spinning maneuvers, Sullivan streamlined the Staff Set and got the approval of the new version from Ed Parker (hence, the reason why many Kenpoists think that Mr. Sullivan created the set).

For the Record: Mr. Sullivan has stated much the same thing. He does not claim to have come up with the Staff Set on his own. He does acknowledge changing the set that was taught to him by Ed Parker by elminating a lot of repetition. Mr. Parker was pleased with the end result and chose to include the modified Staff Set in his curriculum as the set to be taught. Mr. Sullivan also acknowledges that various instructors have modified even that work (sometimes unintentionally) when teaching the set to their students.

Respects,
Bill Parsons
Triangle Kenpo Institute

Hi Sir,

My independent research from my latest book, "American Kenpo Mastery: A Guide for Students and Instructors", had found something different (although this may be what you were alluding to).

While many believe that Chuck Sullivan created the Staff Set, of what I found, Ed Parker actually learned the Staff Set from a Chinese Kung Fu expert. Ed Parker then taught the Staff Set to Chuck Sullivan. Seeing a lot of repetitiveness, particularly with the spinning maneuvers, Sullivan streamlined the Staff Set and got the approval of the new version from Ed Parker (hence, the reason why many Kenpoists think that Mr. Sullivan created the set).

Your thoughts?

Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com (http://www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com)

Well you're right sir. At that time ALL of the sets came from various Chinese sources, and then were modified by Parker and, in some cases like Staff Set, in-put from students. What I meant was the final product was a collaboration of a modification of an original product. I have always written that the information came from other sources like Ark Wong. The same is true for Star Block, Two-Man Set, Tiger and the Crane, and even Short One/Short Two, etc. They were all learned by Parker who in turn taught them and modified them to make them his own, and in some instances his students participated in the process. However Parker was always the final word. In the case of Staff set ONLY Chuck Sullivan was involved in the creation with Parker thus, his name will always be associated with its development.

Thanks gentlemen for the clarification. I sometimes forget some do not have all the background like you do when they read singular threads.

Well you're right sir. At that time ALL of the sets came from various Chinese sources, and then were modified by Parker and, in some cases like Staff Set, in-put from students. What I meant was the final product was a collaboration of a modification of an original product. I have always written that the information came from other sources like Ark Wong. The same is true for Star Block, Two-Man Set, Tiger and the Crane, and even Short One/Short Two, etc. They were all learned by Parker who in turn taught them and modified them to make them his own, and in some instances his students participated in the process. However Parker was always the final word. In the case of Staff set ONLY Chuck Sullivan was involved in the creation with Parker thus, his name will always be associated with its development.

Thanks gentlemen for the clarification. I sometimes forget some do not have all the background like you do when they read singular threads.
Thanks Mr. Chapel. The next time I come to California (I am in Canada....cry,cry) I would love to sit down with you, buy you dinner, and pick your brain for about 5 hours! I would have to bring a huge booklet and a lot of pens, LOL.


Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com (http://www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com)

Hello everyone! This question is for anyone interested in answering:

Earlier in the thread, Mr. Conaster posted the Master Key techniques in the American kenpo system. Could an argument be made that the Yellow Belt Self-Defense techniques are the master key techniques? I know Yellow Belt was added later, but in the EPAK 24-technique system, with anywhere from 10 to 12 techniques at Yellow Belt, this is the area where students are going to encounter the techniques first.

Examples: Intellectual Departure = Intellectual Departure
Five Swords = Delayed Sword
Thundering Hammers = Attacking Mace
Shielding Hammer = Sword of Destruction
Repeating Mace = Checking the Storm

I know this list is not complete, but if Yellow Belt couldn’t work, shouldn’t we revise the system, placing the Master Key Techniques at Yellow Belt, so the student can familiarize themselves from the beginning?


A confused student,
KenpoNovice

Thanks Mr. Chapel. T... buy you dinner,...
Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com (http://www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com)
Bring food money.:)

Hello everyone! This question is for anyone interested in answering:

Earlier in the thread, Mr. Conaster posted the Master Key techniques in the American kenpo system. Could an argument be made that the Yellow Belt Self-Defense techniques are the master key techniques? I know Yellow Belt was added later, but in the EPAK 24-technique system, with anywhere from 10 to 12 techniques at Yellow Belt, this is the area where students are going to encounter the techniques first.

Examples: Intellectual Departure = Intellectual Departure
Five Swords = Delayed Sword
Thundering Hammers = Attacking Mace
Shielding Hammer = Sword of Destruction
Repeating Mace = Checking the Storm

I know this list is not complete, but if Yellow Belt couldn’t work, shouldn’t we revise the system, placing the Master Key Techniques at Yellow Belt, so the student can familiarize themselves from the beginning?


A confused student,
KenpoNovice
The answer to your question is; Yes or No, Yes and no!

First your idea is based on a series of assumptions that may or may not bear fruit depending on whose teaching.

The number of techniques in the first series varies greatly even beyond what you mentioned.

You would have to assume that everyone teaches the same way AND with the same level of knowledge.

Because of the conceptual nature of the product, everything is open to instructor interpretation, good or bad.

If you were to ask the GoldenDragon Dennis he may say yes because he understands the methodology and would lay a foudation at the first level with information that will continue throughtout his lesson plans. Someone else may just "teach the techniques" as they know them.

If you were to ask me, I'd say no becasue we don't believe there are "master key techniques," only "master key principles" to create a parallel term.

So it depends on whom you talk to, their understanding, their interpretation of their understanding, and how they choose to impart information.

Could an argument be made that the Yellow Belt Self-Defense techniques are the master key techniques?

NO, however, since they are the 1st exposure to the system, obviously there are many key ingredients there but not all not to mention at this level there is no need to press "keys".... the student can't even walk and chew gum much less understand the underlying approach and details to the system.

That is why we 1st are taught to - KNOW OF ..... then, KNOW ...... and finally we seek to UNDERSTAND.


If Yellow Belt couldn’t work as the "Master Key Techniques for the system", shouldn’t we revise the system, placing the Master Key Techniques at Yellow Belt, so the student can familiarize themselves from the beginning?


Possibly, but once you clearly (and I have to emphasize clearly) there is no need (why reinvent the wheel) annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd there is much more to it than just 10 beginning techniques.

:asian:

NO, however, since they are the 1st exposure to the system, obviously there are many key ingredients there but not all not to mention at this level there is no need to press "keys".... the student can't even walk and chew gum much less understand the underlying approach and details to the system.

That is why we 1st are taught to - KNOW OF ..... then, KNOW ...... and finally we seek to UNDERSTAND.



Possibly, but once you clearly (and I have to emphasize clearly) there is no need (why reinvent the wheel) annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd there is much more to it than just 10 beginning techniques.

:asian:
There you go giving the obvious answer again, :)

There you go giving the obvious answer again, :)

In the magic words of a great Animal House alumni..... "Wha'd ya e'spect ya' moron" :idunno:

:-partyon::-partyon:

In the magic words of a great Animal House alumni..... "Wha'd ya e'spect ya' moron" :idunno:

:-partyon::-partyon:
What a maroon.

So...do you guys, like, know each other? Dude?

So...do you guys, like, know each other? Dude?
You sir, missed a good session with the group from England. Do eye no u?

Mr. Chapel and Mr. Conaster:

Thank you for your answers!

KenpoNovice

Mr. Chapel and Mr. Conaster:

Thank you for your answers!

KenpoNovice
:asian:

So...do you guys, like, know each other? Dude?

yeah.......... I met him a time or two...

:supcool:

Mr. Conatser,

I recently posted the following in a recent thread. What are your thoughts, please?


Category Completion seems to be one of the most widely used and least explained terms in all of EPAK. What is your definition of this term, how does it apply to how you use/approach the art and can you give specific examples where it is demonstrated?



Respects,
Bill Parsons
Triangle Kenpo Institute

yeah.......... I met him a time or two...

:supcool:
I have no independent recollection of Mr. Conatser or any illegal acts he may or may not have committed.

I have no independent recollection of Mr. Conatser or any illegal acts he may or may not have committed.

I take it you forgot about the gorilla costume and cheez whiz incident in Hoboken back in 1978???

How easily we forget!!!! :drinkbeer:-partyon::lool:

I take it you forgot about the gorilla costume and cheez whiz incident in Hoboken back in 1978???

How easily we forget!!!! :drinkbeer:-partyon::lool:
My attorney will contact you on Monday morning for violation of the confidentiality agreement you signed.

Mr. Conatser,
I recently posted the following in a recent thread. What are your thoughts, please?

Category Completion seems to be one of the most widely used and least explained terms in all of EPAK. What is your definition of this term, how does it apply to how you use/approach the art and can you give specific examples where it is demonstrated?

Respects,
Bill Parsons
Triangle Kenpo Institute

The term "category completion" is a term that "Huk Planas" has coined (not an actual Ed Paker Kenpo term) to demonstrate the many basic 'actions' that ones body can and should be aware of. i.e. inward block - outward block (uppercase) then downward outside - downward inside (lower case). Demonstrating that there is an inward and an outward in the upper level and an inside and outside on the lower level thus teaching a complete complimentary coverage for both upper and lower. This happens over and over with all of the basics. But many seem to not know or understand all of these options and varied basic actions that we can have with the human body.

I hope that sheds some light on the subject.

btw how are you....:)

My attorney will contact you on Monday morning for violation of the confidentiality agreement you signed.

I still have not got the notice, btw "Big Daddy" how was the trip?

:ultracool

786

What is the Black Dot Focus Concept ?

786

What is the Black Dot Focus Concept ?

Having a significant background and exposure to the Japanese Martial Arts in Hawaii presented Ed Parker, with a dichotomy of perspectives when he made the transition to a wholly Chinese based methodology in Southern California around 1961.

One of the prevailing methods among some Japanese Stylists is the concept of the "One Punch Kill Philosophy." Although a misinterpretation of the Chinese Martial Sciences, it prevailed and dominated within the Japanese Cultural Arts in general, and the various Karate-do styles in particular. Some have philosophized its progenitor was in the teaching of the Japanese Sword Arts.

This concept emphasized the training of sharp powerful blows designed to incapacitate or "kill" with one strike, in conjunction with the pari passu position of the opposite striking hand to the hip.

Prevalent in Kata, and step sparring, it seemed in Parker's observations to be at odds with the combat experiences he had on the streets, and his training as a boxer, even though the Japanese were intensely finical in this aspect of their training. Parker considered this to be a tocsin in any interpretation of what he was exposed to, and clearly a questionable tactic.

Ultimately this flawed concept became completely exposed when Parker switched lineages. He often spoke of how he had acute dysphagia in this regard, and found its Kafkaesque nature obvious when the misinterpretation was placed in context. Clearly this was an unfledged perspective.

Explained by Sifu Ark Wong as a curate's egg methodology, it depended extensively on information not readily available to the perspective of the Japanese training, which emphasized the "do" aspect over function. Although potentially an artifice, clearly it was being misinterpreted.

Parker ultimately chose to demonstrate his perspicacity of the concept by inserting an elementary or simplified concept into his various teaching interpretations after his lineage change. He conceptually called it "White Dot versus Black Dot Focus."

From a superficies perspective, he assigned "White Dot" to the Japanese concept. This indicated the emphasis of striking with one hand while assigning the counter position of the opposing limb to "pulling back" to the hip, ostensibly to create a powerful strike. Although anatomically, in some applications, this can have a measure of viability, in other applications it ignore the reality of human physical confrontation and contested martial interactivity.

The "white dot" was to be visualized on a "black background," with the white dot representing the focus of the strike, with the exclusion of all other awareness or "blackness." While Parker allowed some validity to the concept of the pari passu, he felt to ignore other offensive possibilities of a combatant as folly and felt it necessary to interpellate the idea.

In the early years many old and transplanted students had great difficulty when Parker attempted to deracinate them from old habits. In many instances, he chose to let them continue even though he personally felt much of it was a tarradiddle at odds with purposeful applications.

Parker however, based his own applications on the "Black Dot Focus" perspective as emphasize by my first teacher, Ark Wong. Although stopping short of direct vilipend of the concept, Ark Wong often spoke of its misapplications.

"Black Dot Focus" as promoted by the Parker Concept visualized a "black dot on a white background." Here the black dot represented the striking point, and the white background reminded students to be aware of defensive and offensive possibilities beyond the strike emphasis. However, even though this is true, all applications are subject to the vicissitudes of the dynamics of human martial interactions of combat Kraiguar.

The "white dot" was to be visualized on a "black background," with the white dot representing the focus of the strike, with the exclusion of all other awareness or "blackness."

"Black Dot Focus" Here the black dot represented the striking point, and the white background reminded students to be aware of defensive and offensive possibilities beyond the strike emphasis.


:banghead: Hey I thought I told you not to tell anyone without my permission! :yoda:

[quote=Goldendragon7;29584]

No, but very close at the Internationals one year this fighter named "choo choo" was about to get his ........ handed to him. Mr. Parker came flying down the stage and the entire arena was around this one ring with he and Mr. Parker in the middle...... I was right behind Mr. Parker, Man was that exciting!! But it didn't come to pass. Thank goodness......... The guy smartly backed down......:rofl:

I would imagine that the agitator had to take at least a moment to look around, and realize even if he could get through the guy with the silver mane there were an awful lot of guys wearing his patch!

:banghead: Hey I thought I told you not to tell anyone without my permission! :yoda:

My Bad! So does this mean no more BBQ in Scottsdale?

786

Thank you Doc. ~Peace and Blessings~

786


Choo Choo as he was called was originally a student of Willie Short studying Shotokan. When Mr. Shorts school closed Choo Choo whose real name is Gerald Mayes along with his brother Charles, Ernest "Madman" Russell, Ricky Heath Jr., Gary "Rabbit Goodman, Nathan Cruise, the Robinson family, Eddie Horton and others joined the legendary 103rd Street BKF school in South Central Los Angeles. Choo Choo passed away several years ago.
~Peace and Blessings~

786


Choo Choo as he was called was originally a student of Willie Short studying Shotokan. When Mr. Shorts school closed Choo Choo whose real name is Gerald Mayes along with his brother Charles, Ernest "Madman" Russell, Ricky Heath Jr., Gary "Rabbit Goodman, Nathan Cruise, the Robinson family, Eddie Horton and others joined the legendary 103rd Street BKF school in South Central Los Angeles. Choo Choo passed away several years ago.
~Peace and Blessings~

What many don't know is the bulk of the "original" young group of competitors of the B.K.F. received their basics training from other styles and teachers. Primarily from "hard" Japanese Styles like the "Kobayashi-Ryu" as taught by William Short, Shorin-Ryu at the community PASLA Center in South L.A., and the Zendo-Ryu teachings of Phil Skornia and Steve Fisher out of Inglewood. "Choo Choo" Mayes was a product of the hard school training who improved his sparring and became a fierce competitor. Most were already brown and black when they switched over. Along with Kraiguar Vontre Moss, Lenny Fergerson, and others, these young men became some of the best tournament point fighters in the world. But what was unique was these guys were kids in their mid-teens who refused to fight in their own age group. They fought with and against mature men, and many of there opponents were war veterans of the Viet Nam era, and they still won. This was the golden age of competition in general and B.K.F. Competition in particular. It is also the reason why the generations that followed never lived up to the levels these pioneers had established. One of these days, I'm going to write a book on the real history of the period.

One of these days, I'm going to write a book on the real history of the period.


Now I would enjoy that book. I could see if and where you were stretching the truth.....LOL

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Now I would enjoy that book. I could see if and where you were stretching the truth.....LOL

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But if I'm writing the book ... How would you know? :) Truthfully I have some great memories and have known some really great people, (you included: choke) over the years. I'm blessed with almost a photographic memory and recall. They were good times, and the social component was just as important as the hard training. No hand or foot pads and only the sissies wore shin-guards, and cups. Man were we crazy.

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The "Quick Kick" as it was called was used to break the cup and we would attempt to do just that. I remember fighting Darnell Garcia in the finals of Mr. Parker's 1972 Pasedena Open and was successful in cracking his.
Two of the crazy men and pioneers of that era that Doc mentioned who would not wear cups while sparring quick kick specialists like me and others were Joe Lewis and Ron Chapel. ~Peace and Blessing~

But if I'm writing the book ... How would you know? :)

Because..... I'm the "GoldenDragon" I know these things..... or have means to find out.......... hee hee....... YOU should know better than to make such a statement........ shame on you..

No Bar-B-Q for U next time .... Only Chinese Buffet!

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Because..... I'm the "GoldenDragon" I know these things..... or have means to find out.......... hee hee....... YOU should know better than to make such a statement........ shame on you..

No Bar-B-Q for U next time .... Only Chinese Buffet!

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You know you are REALLY hurting me by sending me to the Chines Buffet. Hurt me, hurt me.

Mmmmmm.

You know you are REALLY hurting me by sending me to the Chines Buffet. Hurt me, hurt me.

Hey.... BTW ... what are you doing invading "MY" Q & A Thread...... go start your own...... geeze can't keep people out of your backyard these days...................... lol

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Ok now that that is settled........ any new questions...... anyone?

Hey.... BTW ... what are you doing invading "MY" Q & A Thread...... go start your own...... geeze can't keep people out of your backyard these days...................... lol

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Ok now that that is settled........ any new questions...... anyone?What is the average yearly rainfall in the Amazon Basin?
Sean

What is the average yearly rainfall in the Amazon Basin?
Sean

Very funny Sean.......:moon:

Answer.... Not enough!

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I guess I should have said KENPO questions.... lol

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Very funny Sean.......:moon:

Answer.... Not enough!

lol

I guess I should have said KENPO questions.... lol

:yoda:After teaching lock out, what are some methods you use to break the habbit of locking out?
Sean

After teaching lock out, what are some methods you use to break the habbit of locking out?
Sean

Never had that problem yet. I teach to lock out, thrust, snap, whip, etc... with equal control... If the student is having a problem.... practice practice practice.....

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Kenpo is one of the more highly technical martial arts systems. Having said that...Can an Autistic child really overcome his handicap to be an effective Kenpoist?

Kenpo is one of the more highly technical martial arts systems.


IMHO ... Kenpo is no more technical than any other martial art should be. Ed Parker did bring awareness and Logic to the table. Thus, many innovations and concepts were implemented into his system that separate us today from the traditional systems.


Having said that...Can an Autistic child really overcome his handicap to be an effective Kenpoist?


To fully overcome a handicap may be very difficult task. I'm not sure if Kenpo is the total answer. What I do know is that given a skilled instructor (Just like Anne Sullvan did for Helen Keller) and a student or person with the capability to accept the lessons presented can make "measurable progress in reasonable" time towards his/her goal.

I am working with a young man right now that is really doing well.

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Never had that problem yet. I teach to lock out, thrust, snap, whip, etc... with equal control... If the student is having a problem.... practice practice practice.....

:yinyang:So you just tell them to flow and they just flow without any bad habbits popping up or mechanical timing concerns. Remarkable!
Sean

So you just tell them to flow and they just flow without any bad habbits popping up or mechanical timing concerns. Remarkable!
Sean

No....... timing, balance, penetration or other issues are not what I consider a 'bad habbit'.... any issues that need to be addressed ... are... when necessary. All apart of the "process".... you know that.

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Hey.... BTW ... what are you doing invading "MY" Q & A Thread...... go start your own...... geeze can't keep people out of your backyard these days...................... lol

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Ok now that that is settled........ any new questions...... anyone?

Sheesh, what a grouch!

Sheesh, what a grouch!

LOL, man talk about a delayed response (hey that could be a new technique) LOL, only 6 months after the original post...... Man if it takes that long to get to the post this must be sub par IV, omg lmao I make funny

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LOL, man talk about a delayed response (hey that could be a new technique) LOL, only 6 months after the original post...... Man if it takes that long to get to the post this must be sub par IV, omg lmao I make funny

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For some reason I don't always get notification of responses, and ultimately just stumble upon replies.

Besides, you've been a grouch longer than a mere six months anyway.

For some reason I don't always get notification of responses, and ultimately just stumble upon replies.

Besides, you've been a grouch longer than a mere six months anyway.


Oh ok, you say that here......... Besides, Oscar is NOT my name!!

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