Like to hear your comments......

:asian:

LOL, I mean with Male/Female instructors of course. ;)

As long as they know what their doing and provide you with a good working enviroment and interesting material.

Of course if you are female and working with a female instructor, the task/techniques seem all that much more possible. "If she can do it so can I!!" In stead of the "You want me to do what???" when a male instructor tells you to do something to another guy that's 6 inches taller and double your strength.

But that's just my 2 cents.

dot
:asian:

To me it makes not a hair of difference if Male or female. As an instructor I work with both females and males and find they are somewhat more attentive emotionally to me than to a male peer. The male instructors tend to intimidate to get the students to listen where a woman gets the same attention with a whisper.
When I have 40 students at the college lined up.. and I'm doing the drills.. a few of the 'macho guys' will try and slack off .. I look up and make a gentle comment sternly.. they appear chagrined and ashamed.. my counterpart, will shame them on the spot.. the 'macho guys' tend to snarl and be less responsive..
I'm a very 'Alpha female' which assists me in dealing with all sorts of personalities and I absolutely adore teaching and think I'm doing a pretty good job of it :)

I've had female instructors and they tend to be more patient when I've gotten 'dyslexic' or my mind stops functioning.. hahaa. Some females tend to be more self concious when being taught by a man.. I have seen it go both ways .. It all depends on the strength of personality and confidence factors..

When I'm working with Seig. or having him watch me.. I tend to want to do my best and thats' when I feel I can't live up to his expectations.. and I mess up~!! Kinda like wanting to 'be the best' and knowing you're not.. !

Tess

my counterpart, will shame them on the spot.. the 'macho guys' tend to snarl and be less responsive..
She is not referring to me. I have a tone that will stop children, dogs and most adults in their tracks.

Originally posted by Seig


She is not referring to me. I have a tone that will stop children, dogs and most adults in their tracks.

Oh yeah Seig's tone does stop anything in their tracks.. No, I was referring to a fellow instructor who is in college to be a teacher.. he needs to learn how to command attention, project his voice and maybe in a few years he will be ready to embark on a teaching career.. right now he's no where near ready.. course I have 20 plus years on him in life skills.. so that helps :)

Howdy,


Well.. all 3 Master Instructors at my School (Hapkido) are all Men... which is fine by me... I have complete trust in them, so it doesn't faze me a bit wether we are working on joint locks or grappling on the ground.. But then that's just me... besides i get a kick out of thowing them off of me... hehehehehe (Now we do have a female asst. instructor) I find what when I train with women.. i don't get the intesity that i get from the guys...

During one class, I was demonstrating some basic ground
fighting techniques. The first was the guard position. This
went over with no problems and the two female and four male
students all worked together with no problems. The next
technique was the Mount Position and this one caused an
issue of where a young lady said "I am not going to MOUNT HIM!"
And from there, I just decided to move on to something else.

It was awkward.

From the women out there, did I handle it badly? by just dropping
it and moving on? or should I have made an issue of this is the
technique to work on?

My thought was that at least one of the students did not feel
comfortable, and therefore either more trust was needed or
some other approach was required.

Just thought most of you would appreciate

Rich

Originally posted by Rich Parsons

During one class, I was demonstrating some basic ground
fighting techniques. The first was the guard position. This
went over with no problems and the two female and four male
students all worked together with no problems. The next
technique was the Mount Position and this one caused an
issue of where a young lady said "I am not going to MOUNT HIM!"
And from there, I just decided to move on to something else.

It was awkward.

From the women out there, did I handle it badly? by just dropping
it and moving on? or should I have made an issue of this is the
technique to work on?

My thought was that at least one of the students did not feel
comfortable, and therefore either more trust was needed or
some other approach was required.

Just thought most of you would appreciate

Rich


Hi Rich,

There are always going to be awkward moments in schools.. Luckily in ours we have usually equal females to male students. When we first opened it was an issue of males working with females on ground work.. but as a year has passed and each know the other and trust them so this no longer is a problem.. as far as you doing the correct thing.. you did what you felt was right and that in essence is correct.. Maybe you could speak to the class as a whole and let them understand ground work is part of your curriculum and if someone has issues with guys as partners .. let you know before class and you can deal with it in your way. Fortunately we have a few couples and brother/sister students so that works well.. and I'm married to Seig so I don't mind ground work ;)
It would be great if females and males left their gender at the door when they came to class.. but personalities are always going to be around.

Tess

I am indifferent with males or females as instructors. I've had both and either one is fine. Personally, I'd rather work with someone who has my build rather than someone who is a foot taller than me and totally ripped, because due to the size difference, we would use our bodies in different ways. My main instructor is of average build, but some of the other black belts I've worked with are like 6'4 and 300 pounds of solid muscle, and I've noticed that sometimes they can use strength to compensate for a technique that isn't quite perfect, whereas that isn't an option for me.

that was "work with" as in having that person teach me, not work with as in partner. I'd rather my practice partners be a lot bigger and stronger than me, because if you can toss somebody big around, you know you can handle someone smaller.

I had the Sensei's wife as an instructor occasionally when he was away and totally enjoyed the experience. She explained the techniques in a totally different manner than her husband and was the first to introduce to me the concept that Kenpo is a lot of different things to different people, and there isn't only one way to learn, or teach, a technique. :)

different people, different perspectives.

this all comes down to the specific individual that is teaching...... there are great ones on both sides of the fence...... and with different skills to relate to different students.
:asian:

Originally posted by KenpoGirl

I go both ways!!!LOL, I mean with Male/Female As long as they know what their doing and, Of course if you are female and working with a female, the task seem all that much more possible. "If she can do it so can I!!" In stead of the "You want me to do what???" when a male instructor tells you to do something to another guy that's 6 inches and double your strength.

But that's just my 2 cents.

dot
:asian:


DOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:erg:

Geeze talk about creative licence. :flammad:

Those are not my words as written. See above.

You are a naughty boy Mr. Conatser!!! :biggun:

Jeesh Kenpogirl! That may be what GD thinks, but Six inches just don't seem worth the bother to fight over anyways, LOL! :D :rofl: :eek:

But I figured Dennis was talking about himself and I didn't want him to feel embarassed. :eek: :angel:

Hey but we all know "Size doesn't matter" ...... Right?? Right?? :shrug:


heh heh heh

:asian:

Well Dot, if you say so. I spose you can talk yourself into just about anything if you try hard enough! ;)

hehe... your conversation reminded me of this email a friend sent me today...figured I'd pass it along for your reading enjoyment... I tried to keep it clean, but sometimes it didn't work real well...I just hope the kiddies don't get some of the jokes.


TOP LINES SAID BY WOMEN TO MEN, AND THEIR REAL MEANINGS!


STATEMENT: I think of you as a brother
MEANING: You act like my 13-yr old brother, Joey. It would be like incest.

STATEMENT: There's a slight difference in our ages
MEANING: You are one jurassic geezer!

STATEMENT: Our interests don't align very well.
MEANING: You are 30 going on 65, and I'm not ready to spend every night watching "Jeopardy" and going to parties where they play "pictionary", and listen to Kenny Loggins

STATEMENT: I'm not attracted to you in 'that' way
MEANING: You are the ugliest dork I've ever laid eyes upon

STATEMENT: My life is too complicated right now
MEANING: I'm seeing lots of other guys right now, and after that really LOUSY sex we had, you rank pretty low on my list

STATEMENT: Size doesn't matter.
MEANING: I've seen french fries bigger than that!

STATEMENT: It's not the right time in my life to start a relationship
MEANING: I just got out of hell, and I want to go out and enjoy myself - not jump back into monogamous suffocation

STATEMENT: You need to get more experience in life, maybe see other people
MEANING: I don't do virgins. Go fumble around with somebody else and come see me when you've got it figured out

STATEMENT: I've got a boyfriend
MEANING: my boyfriend's name may be BOB, but even his company is better than yours.

STATEMENT: I don't date men where I work
MEANING: Hey, bud, I wouldn't even date you if you were in the same 'solar system', much less the same building

STATEMENT: I'm concentrating on my career
MEANING: Even something as boring and unfulfilling as my job is better than dating you


And the number one rejection line said by women to men is....

STATEMENT: It's not you, it's me

MEANING: It's not me, it's you.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ROFLMAO Nightingale!!! Those are good ones! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Rich.........

From the perspective of a student...... maybe if you tell you students before class begins that you will be doing some ground grappling tecniques.. they may be prepared abit more for it.. As for me.. im use to it now.. and get quite a kick out of throwing the guys around... but.. that's just me... hehehehehehe....

Twisted in a way.. yes i know!! wouldn't change it for anything.

.................................................. .................................................. ..


This is for all the girls...sheesh we better get mats in here with all the slamming going around... hehehehehe :D :rofl:

p.s... and why did you gals leave me out.... hahahaha sniff sniff:(

Later all........

Originally posted by nightingale8472

hehe... your conversation reminded me of this email a friend sent me today...figured I'd pass it along for your reading enjoyment... I tried to keep it clean, but sometimes it didn't work real well...I just hope the kiddies don't get some of the jokes.


TOP LINES SAID BY WOMEN TO MEN, AND THEIR REAL MEANINGS!


STATEMENT: I think of you as a brother
MEANING: You act like my 13-yr old brother, Joey. It would be like incest.

STATEMENT: There's a slight difference in our ages
MEANING: You are one jurassic geezer!

STATEMENT: Our interests don't align very well.
MEANING: You are 30 going on 65, and I'm not ready to spend every night watching "Jeopardy" and going to parties where they play "pictionary", and listen to Kenny Loggins

STATEMENT: I'm not attracted to you in 'that' way
MEANING: You are the ugliest dork I've ever laid eyes upon

STATEMENT: My life is too complicated right now
MEANING: I'm seeing lots of other guys right now, and after that really LOUSY sex we had, you rank pretty low on my list

STATEMENT: Size doesn't matter.
MEANING: I've seen french fries bigger than that!

STATEMENT: It's not the right time in my life to start a relationship
MEANING: I just got out of hell, and I want to go out and enjoy myself - not jump back into monogamous suffocation

STATEMENT: You need to get more experience in life, maybe see other people
MEANING: I don't do virgins. Go fumble around with somebody else and come see me when you've got it figured out

STATEMENT: I've got a boyfriend
MEANING: my boyfriend's name may be BOB, but even his company is better than yours.

STATEMENT: I don't date men where I work
MEANING: Hey, bud, I wouldn't even date you if you were in the same 'solar system', much less the same building

STATEMENT: I'm concentrating on my career
MEANING: Even something as boring and unfulfilling as my job is better than dating you


And the number one rejection line said by women to men is....

STATEMENT: It's not you, it's me

MEANING: It's not me, it's you.

nightingale8472,

Hmmmm, Now that you have let the official
Translations out of the bag, for us MEN to
understand. :D Are you now in danger of getting
kicked out of the Female Union for giving away
secrets??? :confused:


Thanks these were funny

Rich

hehe... glad I could amuse.

Originally posted by Eraser

Rich.........

From the perspective of a student...... maybe if you tell you students before class begins that you will be doing some ground grappling tecniques.. they may be prepared abit more for it.. As for me.. im use to it now.. and get quite a kick out of throwing the guys around... but.. that's just me... hehehehehehe....

Twisted in a way.. yes i know!! wouldn't change it for anything.

.................................................. .................................................. ..


This is for all the girls...sheesh we better get mats in here with all the slamming going around... hehehehehe :D :rofl:

p.s... and why did you gals leave me out.... hahahaha sniff sniff:(

Later all........

Eraser,

Thanks for the helpful hint. I usually try to let
the class know if we plan on Ground fighting
in the near future, but this one case came up
as a what if??? .... I try to answer questions
as they arise. Well I see that you 'girls'
(* Women *) here can take care of yourselves.

Thanks for the replies

Rich

Rich...

NO problem... It really is nice to know that other instuctors out there think of their students welfare first... That's the No. 1 priority where I train.. you can check it out if you'd like...
www.thepeacefulwarriors.org

Also.. i was wondering neighbour, where at in Mich do you teach.. just curious..

Later.....

Originally posted by Eraser

Rich...
i was wondering neighbour, where at in Mich do you teach.. just curious..

Later.....

Eraser,

I am in the Flint Area. This is where I-75,I-69
and US-23 all intersect.

I am all over southeast Michigan myself for work
and hanging out. A trip to the other side of the
river is NOT that far. :D

You ???? . . .

Best Regards

Rich
:cool:

Rich...

Im right across the river in good ol' Windsor...

Perhaps one day we may cross paths in a seminar....

We do have some Kenpo and Kosho Ryu, mixed in with our training.. its nice having the diversity!! :D

Send me a note if you have a seminar at your place or attending one near by.

Thanks

Rich

Originally posted by Eraser




This is for all the girls...sheesh we better get mats in here with all the slamming going around... hehehehehe :D :rofl:

p.s... and why did you gals leave me out.... hahahaha sniff sniff:(

Later all........


Eraser: I couldn't for the life of me figure out what we left you out of, but apologies just the same. And from now on, if YOU would like to be on the receiving end of our jokes and teasing, I'm sure we can oblige you!

Butt first, before we make you the butt of our jokes, we really need to get to know you a little better! It wouldn't be fair now, would it, if all us Kenpo folks ganged up on a pore lil Hapkido gal????

Hmmmm, perhaps you should consider joining us....Kenpo awaits you, with arms wide open, ready to bring you into the fold!!! Dennis, here is where you step in, it's time for another 'conversion.' LMAO! :idea: :wavey:

to have read most of what was written in this forum. I am now going to wash my eyes out with soap !:angel:

Hmmmm, the under-aged and under-estrogened better steer clear of this thread then! Could be hazardous to your health and future development! LMAO! :uhohh:

Hey all...

Sorry for the confusion. .what i was refering to was that i was the clean up girl.... I don't wanna clean up.. i wanna participate too!!! LOL... don't worry i will be in this chat forum quite often.. and you can start making jokes about me soon.... And don't worry this Hapkido girl can take care of herself...

You gals are a hoot!!! I laugh almost every time im in here......

See ya round soon...


:)

Originally posted by tunetigress

Hmmmm, the under-aged and under-estrogened better steer clear of this thread then! Could be hazardous to your health and future development! LMAO! :uhohh:
Yes, my development has been arrested, it's all your fault, sic 'em Tess!:D

AHEM...... Can we leave sexual tension OUT of women's self defense forum? To me, this is ONE place where it is not needed. We get enough of that in the real world.
I mean, I love a joke and flirting as much as the next chickypoo but there is SO much of it in this forum!!!!!


*Jumps in with chuks, looks around*

As far as instructors- I have an all-male instructor school. Four grown men, all the same size or bigger- most I trust totally, have no problem grappling, punching, close contact, etc. In some cases, I have panicked, getting scared, and it was only in the case of a guy I outright did not like or did not trust.


I have an interesting situation tho, all my instructors- all second dans- are taking their instruction from a FEMALE sixth dan. Since all their material is heavily influenced by her, I take the point of view that I AM receiveing instruction by a female, just once removed.


The biggest difference it makes to me, I will say, is when I am in adults class, and I am the only female. Like last night. Seven guys and me. That always creates a class where my adrenalin is always up. Like during meditation- I was grooving along, meditating, then all of a sudden had a fear reaction. The thought that entered my head, in a microsecond, was "if I was sexually harassed somehow, would one of the other guys stick up for me, or ignore??


Left me kinda cold. And pissy for not trusting myself or my fellow students. Kinda wierd.

I DO like to fool around- I take stuff too seriously sometimes...

Didn;t mean to come off as a stiff.....


Dot... "under-estrogened???" never heard that one before!!:p love it tho...

Originally posted by girlychuks
Dot... "under-estrogened???" never heard that one before!!:p love it tho...

No........ over testosteroned.....!!!!!!!

:eek: