If you would have to practice only one martial art, what would it be?

[Bushido]

Me: bjj
You:???

-Bushido :samurai:

[warder]

agreed, bjj

[RCastillo]

Gotta be KENPO! :samurai:

[DWright]

I'd stick to Modern Arnis. (pun noted)

[RCastillo]

Originally posted by DWright

I'd stick to Modern Arnis. (pun noted)

Gotta like the sticks!I understand!:jediduel:

[Deaf]

Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu

[Rob_Broad]

For me it would be American Kenpo Karate.

[sweeper]

proly some kind of FMA

[Deathtrap101]

Have to go with the only thing ive done(young and havnt tried much yet).

Renshikan karate

[Yari]

Originally posted by Bushido

Me: bjj
You:???

-Bushido :samurai:

It would really depend on the teacher. But looking back it's hard to say that it would be a certain styl. For each periode in my life there was a dominant style, and right now it's aikido: Nishio style.


/Yari

[Seig]

EPAK

[Zoran]

Kenpo - following SGM Parker line. That would include most off-shoots.

Now to the reason why. Kenpo from that lineage tends to follow a logical path compared to a traditional path. Of course, there are exceptions to that rule.

[Yari]

Originally posted by Zoran

Kenpo - following SGM Parker line. That would include most off-shoots.

Now to the reason why. Kenpo from that lineage tends to follow a logical path compared to a traditional path. Of course, there are exceptions to that rule.

I know this is a little off thread, but how can traditional not be logic? Or are you talking about a special form of logic?

/Yari

[nathan_sau]

:asian: To hard to decide really...
But if i had t it would be the style i am training in now RYUKYU KEMPO...

[Rich Parsons]

HI All,

I would study Balintawak, for it will take
me a life time to get it all 100% Correct.

Yet, I enjoy it so much that I cannot stop!

Rich
:asian:

[Yari]

Originally posted by Rich Parsons

HI All,

I would study Balintawak, for it will take
me a life time to get it all 100% Correct.

Yet, I enjoy it so much that I cannot stop!

Rich
:asian:

I just cann't help myself........ Will you have learned everthing when your time is up then? :D

Just kidding....

Never heard about that art. Please tell a little bit more about it...

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by Yari



I just cann't help myself........ Will you have learned everthing when your time is up then? :D

Just kidding....

Never heard about that art. Please tell a little bit more about it...

Yari,

(* Note: Please if this post differs from you
history told to you, please do not take it
personnaly, only post it as you see it or have
been told. Thank you *)

Anciong Bacon was taught by the Seivadras (Sp)
before WWII. After WWII the Seivadras Ancoing
Bacon abd the Canetes and some others I believe
formed the Doces Pares. Due to some internal
issues GM Bacon left the Doces Pares. GM Bacon
opened the 'Balintawak Self-defense Club' on
Balintawak Street in Cebi City Cebu PI. Many
people stared calling it Balintwak as a shorter
name for the club. Then the CLub name become the
name of the art.

BM Bacon taught many many people, Villasin, Buot
Lopez, etc.,... . I will get a more comlete list
and post later tonight.

Balintawak is Stick Fighting, and after you
gain a certain level of understanding, you then
learn the emptyhand translations.

Like I said more later after I check my notes.

Rich
:asian:

[tonbo]

Personally, I would stick with Kenpo. I can find most of what I am looking for there.......

And anything I can't, well.......it can be incorporated....:D

Peace--

[Yari]

Originally posted by Rich Parsons



Yari,

(* Note: Please if this post differs from you
history told to you, please do not take it
personnaly, only post it as you see it or have
been told. Thank you *)

Anciong Bacon was taught by the Seivadras (Sp)
before WWII. After WWII the Seivadras Ancoing
Bacon abd the Canetes and some others I believe
formed the Doces Pares. Due to some internal
issues GM Bacon left the Doces Pares. GM Bacon
opened the 'Balintawak Self-defense Club' on
Balintawak Street in Cebi City Cebu PI. Many
people stared calling it Balintwak as a shorter
name for the club. Then the CLub name become the
name of the art.

BM Bacon taught many many people, Villasin, Buot
Lopez, etc.,... . I will get a more comlete list
and post later tonight.

Balintawak is Stick Fighting, and after you
gain a certain level of understanding, you then
learn the emptyhand translations.

Like I said more later after I check my notes.

Rich
:asian:


Thanks, I get the picture. And I think I've heard about Doces Pares before when practicing Modern Arnis.

/Yari

[Tachi]

I'd stick with Chen Tai chi - it gives one a chance to cultivate internal energy so I can live to be old and wise - also the martial applications are challenging and usually somewhat disguised so I can do some serious whomping when I'm old as well :D


Cheers _


Tachi

[Kirk]

Originally posted by Bonehead

For me it would be American Kenpo Karate.


Mega Dittos. Bone!

[bscastro]

What a difficult question. I want to say JKD, but that seems to be kinda cheating. For example, my JKD class takes from several martial arts styles.

Otherwise, Filipino Martial Arts.

Bryan

[AvPKenpo]

Well for me it would be all the Kenpo I could handle.

Michael

[Bujingodai]

I'd have to say Ninjutsu, it has been making me happy for a while but JKD looks interesting. I'd like to try that.

[meni]

only kenpo

[Klondike93]

Ed Parker American Kenpo for me too......:D

But, as I'm learning kenpo I'm also learning Systema, The Russian Martial Art.

They both are a lot of fun to learn and practice.


:asian:

[karatekid1975]

Hum? Just one martial art. Whoo hard choice. I think it would have to be something that is mostly self defense stuff (like Kenpo or Hapkido, or something like that). That's if, of course, there were these types of schools near me, which there isn't :(

But if I had three choices, it would be TKD (for the kicking), Hapkido or Kenpo (for self defense), and Judo or jujitsu (for ground fighting).

[tunetigress]

Definitely some kind of Kenpo or other. Kenpo has more in it than I could probably learn in what's left of my lifetime. :boing2:

[theneuhauser]

Originally posted by Tachi

I'd stick with Chen Tai chi - it gives one a chance to cultivate internal energy so I can live to be old and wise - also the martial applications are challenging and usually somewhat disguised so I can do some serious whomping when I'm old as well :D


Cheers _


Tachi

let me add another vote for chen tajiquan-supreme ultimate boxing-there is no beginning and no end to a lifetime of training in this martial art.

[Eraser]

Well for me it simple... Hapkido... there are so many other styles incorporated in that... (aikido, kosho ryu, TWD) it would take me 100's of lifetimes to learn it all.. and since im not Connor or Duncan McLeod.... i'll never learn it all...

:shrug:

[cdhall]

Originally posted by Yari



I know this is a little off thread, but how can traditional not be logic? Or are you talking about a special form of logic?

/Yari

I don't see that anyone followed up on this, but I think logical vs traditional meant that logic, not tradition, dictates your actions and your reasoning. These concepts are not inherently exclusive of course because your traditions could be logical, but Mr. Parker didn't want to do anything merely because it had always been done that way, but he wanted to do something because it was the right/proper/logical thing to do.

I have seen this logic vs traditional assertion before and I think I have described it in the context it was intended. Mr. Parker elaborates on this in Infinite Insights I think, but I don't have it with me. I'll come back to post again if I find it or especially if I find that I am in error.

Hope this helps.

[cdhall]

If I could pick one art to study it would be American Kenpo. Because it is based on prinicples and can be applied to pretty much any type of movement and because it contains elements of just about everything.

In class we recently did a hubid (don't know the spelling) drill from the Phillipines and what we did was actually the basis for 3 self defense techniques including Circles of Protection . We have done some grappling in class and I have used basic Kenpo principles while on the ground. We have some stick fighting. My instructor has put together a Long Staff form derived from adding a staff to empty hand techniques and it looks like some staff work my Goju buddy does. Then there is the Sub-Level 4 energy disruption stuff.

If I could study everything Mr. Parker knew that would be ideal, but there is enough out there now that I can pick up some of everything in/from/with American Kenpo. We have some great takedowns and joint manipulations too. The only thing it is really "missing" is ground fighting but I'd still prefer what we have to other systems with more ground fighting because I think Kenpo is the best all-around system and is superior in many of its elements. Again I have a Goju friend and some of their sparring drills are nearly identical to what we have in the freestyle techniques and this only reinforces my belief that a lot of good stuff from other systems was put into Kenpo by Mr. Parker even if he "snuck it in" where it was not obvious upon casual inspection.

Sorry to be so long-winded and I do not intend any disrespect to other systems. Thank you.

[islandtime]

Originally posted by Bushido

Me: bjj
You:???

-Bushido :samurai:

.................................................. .................................................

WunHopKuenDo/KaJuKenBo.. for the body and
Kuniba Ryu Iaido for the Spirit



Gene Gabel:asian:

[Yari]

Originally posted by cdhall



I have seen this logic vs traditional assertion before and I think I have described it in the context it was intended. Mr. Parker elaborates on this in Infinite Insights I think, but I don't have it with me. I'll come back to post again if I find it or especially if I find that I am in error.

Hope this helps.


I know this is a bit off topic, but what is logic in normal day sense, a set of self made rules. A persons logic is built up from his life experience and perception of life. We usally think that there is only 1 logic, but this isn't true. Logic bases it self on a few udiscussable facts, like god exsits (I don't want to go into that now, just an example), were this is not discussed, but ever action after that is based on this assumption.

What logic realy means is that things are connected by rule.

So therefor logic cann't be true or false, but the conclusion of the logical assumption can be true or false, based on the pre assumptions.

In this sense tradition is logic, because it makes some assupmtions, and bases it practice on this. You just have to understand the assumptions, and accept them, or the logic will not be there.

I agree that the pre-assumpstions can vary and be not acceptable, and that's the reason some people don't want tradition. That's OK, but calling them not logic as a mean of saying that and justifieng by that. I cann't follow.

I'm not trying to disrespect anybody. Sorry if I step on somebodys toes...

/Yari

[RoninWolf]

I prefer Japanese Ju-Jitsu if there can only be one. It has a little bit of everything, though other martial arts may be better at specific areas (e.g. BJJ for groundfighting).

[meltdown51]

Easy Question
what I study now
JEET KUNE DO
as it adapts to everything.


Joe

[theneuhauser]

wrong, meltdown51,

you adapt, people adapt, systems change because people adapt them.
:mad:




jeet kun do is wonderful, no disrespect-
the only conclusion that can be drawn from this thread is that there is no perfect style, otherwise everyone would cite the same MA for their only one.
:(


isnt it great!
:)

[meltdown51]

theneuhauser
you are absolulley correct, but the thread was what is the best for each practitioner. this is mine, Does not have to be anyone else's

Joe

[meltdown51]

your big misunderstanding is that JKD is not a system or style it is whatever you throw at me

joe

[theneuhauser]

your big misunderstanding is that JKD is not a system or style it is whatever you throw at me

Very eloquent, meltdown, cheers to you

[Chiduce]

White Crane Kenpo! Sincerely, In Humility; Chiduce!

[Goldendragon7]

Ed Parkers American Kenpo from a good Instructor with a strong lineage back to Ed Parker.

:asian:

[KenpoDave]

It would most definitely have to be kenpo.

Dave

[Bushido]

I think Kenpo is the big winner here! :lol:

-Bushido

[Danny]

ITF TKD

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by Bushido

I think Kenpo is the big winner here! :lol:

-Bushido

Personally, I think everyone is the winner.
Not only do they ahve an idea of what they want
to study, they this forum to post to also.

Therefore everyone Wins! :D

[Bushido]

You got me there! ;)

-Bushido

[Nightingale]

well, I've taken some judo, some aikido, some TKD, some hapkido, and some jiujuitsu (sp?), and most of these styles had something in it that wasn't really clicking with me and my style... I found TKD a little too showy, and some of the others not as practical or street oriented as I wanted. (Just my opinion, others probably feel differently, I'm just saying that the art and I didn't click the way we should have)

However, I found american Kenpo and it ROCKS!

[MTisGreat]

id have to say Muay Thai. its very effective and was invented on the battle field as a means of survival:D

[thaiboxer]

Originally posted by Bushido

I think Kenpo is the big winner here! :lol:

-Bushido

thank god it is, makes the world a little easier to live in. thank god its not all BJJ or MT

[thaiboxer]

Originally posted by Bushido

Me: bjj
You:???

-Bushido :samurai:

personally (and i can vouch for this from last saturday night at a pub), you cant go past the good old left jab, right cross (me being orthodox stance - boxing), stuff trying to take people to the ground - put em on the ground.

[big351stang]

American Kenpo all the way






Kenpo- The art of adding insult to injury

[cdhall]

Originally posted by MTisGreat

id have to say Muay Thai. its very effective and was invented on the battle field as a means of survival:D

No offense, sir, but Mr. Parker invented American Kenpo as a response to situations you would find yourself in on the streets of the modern United States and situations you might find yourself in where you have to defend yourself even if they are in a bar, parking garage, etc.

I'm not sure about Muay Thai, but what type of "battlefield" was it developed for? One where you and your opponent are both encumbered with "gear?" I know when I was in the US Army, we trained to shoot the enemy "SOBs," not punch them. And even so, punching in boots and a helmet and an 80lb rucksack with web gear and canteens would not be the same as fighting some guy when I'm in blue jeans walking on the sidewalk with my keys in my hand.

Just a thought. If it was developed for the "battlefield" then its advantage would lie there I would think. Just as Jiu-Jitsu was developed for fighting from/on the ground and has advantages in those situations.

I have seen similar remarks made before and I just wanted to chime in and say that the art will naturally be most effective when used in the manner and in the environment it was developed for.

I know the style has great kicks and strikes. It is very brutal from what I understand. Most Muay Thai train more like Boxers than McDojo students so I would also guess that on the whole, a Muay Thai fighter is in better physical condition than an average "Karate" student.

Thank you.
:asian:

[Seig]

Doug,
I think I could possibly be slightly off base here but, yes there always is a "but", Martial Arts in general were developed either for or "on" the battlefield, thus the word Martial, and refined later.:asian:

[Yari]

Originally posted by Seig

Doug,
I think I could possibly be slightly off base here but, yes there always is a "but", Martial Arts in general were developed either for or "on" the battlefield, thus the word Martial, and refined later.:asian:

I think you're correct, it's just the way MA have devolved in modern times that can question if an art is an MA or not.


/Yari

[Goldendragon7]

I see this term pop up....... well, as I see it... the origin of the Martial Arts were a necessity in battle or in defense of ones self or homeland...... hence "Martial" or military action was needed.

Modern Times..... as in today .... this historical practice has turned into a business of teaching physical skills but we have no war to go to. We have "games" to "test" to some degree our skills, (sport non-contact to full contact to submission) but death is not the ultimate result and thus not a real qualifier to reality.

We must accept the fact that there are numbers of ways to develop the human being for battle and we must choose how hard and to what age group and to what level we push (or are able to push) people to train.

I can tell you this........ If I would train people for real battle, I would have no one in class after a couple of classes...... lol

We must try to teach legitimate material with realistic results possible if the student carries through an trains as if he were preparing for real self defense. Other than that all we can do is the best we can do.......

:asian:

[RCastillo]

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

I see this term pop up....... well, as I see it... the origin of the Martial Arts were a necessity in battle or in defense of ones self or homeland...... hence "Martial" or military action was needed.

Modern Times..... as in today .... this historical practice has turned into a business of teaching physical skills but we have no war to go to. We have "games" to "test" to some degree our skills, (sport non-contact to full contact to submission) but death is not the ultimate result and thus not a real qualifier to reality.

We must accept the fact that there are numbers of ways to develop the human being for battle and we must choose how hard and to what age group and to what level we push (or are able to push) people to train.

I can tell you this........ If I would train people for real battle, I would have no one in class after a couple of classes...... lol

We must try to teach legitimate material with realistic results possible if the student carries through an trains as if he were preparing for real self defense. Other than that all we can do is the best we can do.......

:asian:

Not true, I could hang with the "Golden One!:mad:

[Goldendragon7]

You are right I should re-phrase that...... I would only retain a "few" good men/women....... hee hee

There are a few of my "E-Bunny's" (They take my licking and keep on ticking) out there. :rofl:

:asian:

[thaiboxer]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cdhall

[B]

"No offense, sir, but Mr. Parker invented American Kenpo as a response to situations you would find yourself in on the streets of the modern United States and situations you might find yourself in where you have to defend yourself even if they are in a bar, parking garage, etc.

I'm not sure about Muay Thai, but what type of "battlefield" was it developed for? One where you and your opponent are both encumbered with "gear?" I know when I was in the US Army, we trained to shoot the enemy "SOBs," not punch them. And even so, punching in boots and a helmet and an 80lb rucksack with web gear and canteens would not be the same as fighting some guy when I'm in blue jeans walking on the sidewalk with my keys in my hand."

muay thai is the unarmed form within the whole thai fighting art of krabi krabong. the simple but effective movements are based on the principles of their weapon use, and if disarmed they used similar movement with their 8 weapons on their body.
it was used to defend thailand from invasion from surrounding countries such as burma etc. muay thai is still used in combat training, US sends troops over with the thais and they have a big training shindig. as do other countries i believe.

"Just a thought. If it was developed for the "battlefield" then its advantage would lie there I would think. Just as Jiu-Jitsu was developed for fighting from/on the ground and has advantages in those situations."

well thats the good thing about muay thai, its suitable for anywhere anytime. thats why its so effective. especially in pubs
:-)

[Shinzu]

to be honest, i would need to practice in many differet arts to make this decision. but if i had to make a choice right now it would be TSD

[Kroy]

Definitely Kenpo:asian:

[Aikikitty]

Aikido has been perfect for me! That's my choice! :cool:

Robyn :asian:

[SRyuFighter]

What I'm studying now. The only thing I am studying at the present time. Seibukan Shorin-ryu Karate.

[chufeng]

Yi Li Quan

:asian:
chufeng

[Matt Stone]

Yiliquan. Above all other arts that I have experienced or trained in, Yiliquan meets my needs the most. With all I have learned over the last 16 years, I know I have in my hands right now enough to last me the rest of my life... And I still have yet to really dig into the "advanced" stuff...

Gambarimasu.
:asian: :tank: :asian:

[Goldendragon7]

can be a huge barrier. Many of us started in the "only game in town" and learned to like it. There are a multitude of martial Arts out there that are useful and fun. If you are enjoying what you are doing ..... then keep doing it. Always be curious as to what else is out there. You never know what you may be missing. The sum total of your lifes investigation is who and what you become, always look to add to your knowledge cache.

:asian:

[cali_tkdbruin]

Originally posted by Bushido
Me: bjj
You:???

-Bushido :samurai:

Maybe cuz I don't know any better but it would be Taekwondo for me. However, Shotokan Karate would be a very close second for me... :karate:

[Withered Soul]

Jeet Kune Do.
Although I am tempted by Muay Thai and Ju-Jitsu.

[yilisifu]

The one I'm doing now; Yilichuan.

[CrushingFist]

Some type of rare + wanted Chinese Martial Arts or a few of them + Ninjutsu

[Cryozombie]

IT WOULD DEFINATLY BE YELLOW BAMBOO.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :D

[Zepp]

Probably Chung Do Kwan Tae Kwon Do (my current art), but Kali will always hold a special place with me. (Sticks and knives are part of this complete breakfast. :D )

[Brian Johns]

If forced to choose one martial art, I would choose Modern Arnis, particularly the version taught by GM Remy Presas from 1995 forward. A truly great martial art. I miss the guy.

Take care,
Brian Johns
Columbus, Ohio

[MartialArtsGuy]

:EG: EPAK :EG:

[Rob_Broad]

Evertone has chose what they like but my question is WHY?

[cali_tkdbruin]

Originally posted by Rob_Broad
Evertone has chose what they like but my question is WHY?

Could it be that it's cuz it's the first Art we've trained in, and we don't know any better?

For me it's cuz TKD has gotten easier over the years and I've gotten better at it. But, it's not that I've mastered it by any means... :asian:

[Aikikitty]

Originally posted by Rob_Broad
Everyone has chosen what they like but my question is WHY?

Yeah, Aikido is the first and only art I've trained in but it just feels like it's the right one for me. I'm very much the "girly" girl who doesn't want to get hurt or hit or hurt anyone else. I mainly just want to be able to defend myself and be able to get away from or control the other person without having to be forced to hurt them. (It'll take a long time before I get to that point but that's okay. The journey is cool. :cool: )

I also really like my sensei and the other students in the class. They are all friendly and they make the class fun. :) I enjoy being at my dojo.

Robyn :asian:

[cali_tkdbruin]

Originally posted by The Opal Dragon
Yeah, Aikido is the first and only art I've trained in but it just feels like it's the right one for me. I'm very much the "girly" girl who doesn't want to get hurt or hit or hurt anyone else. I mainly just want to be able to defend myself and be able to get away from or control the other person without having to be forced to hurt them.

Robyn :asian:

Robyn, my daughter is much like you, a "girly" girl . And, that's why I put her in the MAs. I can't always be there to defend her so I want to know, and be comfortable in my own mind that she will be able to take care of herself should the need ever arise...:asian:

By the way, she has gotten pretty damn good too! When we practice our MA techniques on each other she leaves me really bruised too... :(

[Aikikitty]

Originally posted by cali_tkdbruin
Robyn, my daughter is much like you, a "girly" girl . And, that's why I put her in the MAs. I can't always be there to defend her so I want to know, and be comfortable in my own mind that she will be able to take care of herself should the need ever arise...:asian:

If I ever have kids someday, I'd want all of them to learn a martial art for the same reason.

Robyn :asian:

[lost_tortoise]

I would say Jeet Kun Do Concepts as taught by Guro Dan Inosanto, but I'm not sure if that is cheating or not.

If it is cheating my next choice would be any comprehensive Kali system (is that phrase redundant?)

I wish I had studied Tai Chi all this time, I'd be as powerful as Superman!!! No seriously, I do wish I had appreciated Tai Chi when I was studying it (5 years). Hindsight has revealed all the benefits that I could be reaping if I had stuck with it. :(

[Nightingale]

I train in EPAK because

1. Its practical. Its based on realistic attacks and responses
2. Its natural. Once you get to a point, you find yourself flowing very naturally from one motion to the next. (I discovered myself at this stage yesterday when I accidentally grafted the end of crossing talons onto the beginning of grip of death and found that it actually worked)
3. It works. Every time I've needed it to, except once, its worked. If anything, it gives you the instinct to move rather than stand there and panic, because when you see a punch coming at you, it isn't a new thing, and you know how to move, and shed, and parry and block.

I did take TKD for a time, but it was because I couldn't find kenpo nearby. I found a lot of the TKD principles directly contradicted many of the kenpo principles, and many of the reasons I chose kenpo, so it did make things difficult, but it was MA, so I stuck it out til green belt, then went back to kenpo (got a car, so I could drive to kenpo instead of walk to TKD) and promptly forgot all of my TKD. I'm a kenpoist at heart, I guess.

-N-

[MartialArtist]

Hmmmm, kinda tough...

Combat TKD like in the old days or combat muay thai

[J-kid]

Shooto or Vale Tudo

[DAC..florida]

Close Quarter Defencive Tactics (Mya Ryu Jitsu). :asian:


Why?
Its the most well rounded and real style I have found!!!!!


:goop: