Do you want rank or knowledge???

[RRouuselot]

I came across this website and found it VERY interesting!

http://www.smoka-usa.com/

Click on the Weakest Link

[Makalakumu]

Has DKI suffered under these claims?

[RRouuselot]

Has DKI suffered under these claims?
What do you mean by "suffered"?

[bignick]

I think there is a bit of a problem with some of the logic in some statements. Like, "Why would any Grand Master demonstrate a kata? They wouldn't...."

I just don't see the reasoning behind that statement...why wouldn't he? Just seems to be a statement without any weight behind it...

[RRouuselot]

I think there is a bit of a problem with some of the logic in some statements. Like, "Why would any Grand Master demonstrate a kata? They wouldn't...."

I just don't see the reasoning behind that statement...why wouldn't he? Just seems to be a statement without any weight behind it... Actually given the mind set of most Okinawa masters I have encountered I can understand his comments.

High ranking elder Okinawa Karate Masters are not really in the habit of performing like “trained seals”, giving private demos or private instruction to people they don’t know.



One thing that has to be considered is the martial culture in Okinawa is very different from that in the west and until one trains in Okinawa or Japan it is really hard to describe and document all the differences much of which is conveyed non-verbally in the first place. A major difference is many Okinawa dojo are not run in the “business sense” that western dojo are…..they don’t really try to “recruit” students by giving a demo of their style. This has to do with "hinkaku"......It was also mentioned that Soken was rather ill, so much so that he had to return to Okinawa.

[Adept]

Oh noes! He said he spent three hours with a guy, and he might have lied about it!

:rolleyes:

Storm, meet teacup.

[RRouuselot]

Oh noes! He said he spent three hours with a guy, and he might have lied about it!

:rolleyes:

Storm, meet teacup. 3 hours of “training” with Soken and "video taping" 6 seminars of my teacher... :rolleyes: .....all that training is definitely worthy of the title “Grand Master”…… :barf:

[RRouuselot]

Here is an example of the martial culture difference between the US and Japan/Okinawa.



Several years ago I was at a Budo seminar and was walking with my sai in hand to the dojo area intent on training when I was approached by a rather obnoxious “Nisei” (second generation abroad Japanese) and he said “Hey my wife wants to see how Sai are used. Can you show her something?” I said “no, sorry”. He kept asking “she really wants to see something…..just one flip or something…come on…” I looked him straight in the eye and replied: “I don’t train in martial arts for others amusement. If your wife wants to be entertained tell her to go rent a movie”

[Jonathan Randall]

Here is an example of the martial culture difference between the US and Japan/Okinawa.



Several years ago I was at a Budo seminar and was walking with my sai in hand to the dojo area intent on training when I was approached by a rather obnoxious “Nisei” (second generation abroad Japanese) and he said “Hey my wife wants to see how Sai are used. Can you show her something?” I said “no, sorry”. He kept asking “she really wants to see something…..just one flip or something…come on…” I looked him straight in the eye and replied: “I don’t train in martial arts for others amusement. If your wife wants to be entertained tell her to go rent a movie”I'm sorry but that sounds like unconscionable rudeness on your part - at least in how you describe the situation. Something along the line of "... I'm sorry but I really don't do exhibitions, please excuse me now" might have better represented your art.

[RRouuselot]

I'm sorry but that sounds like unconscionable rudeness on your part - at least in how you describe the situation. Something along the line of "... I'm sorry but I really don't do exhibitions, please excuse me now" might have better represented your art. Obviously nuance doesn’t travel over the Internet well. My reaction was appropriate after being asked about 4 or 5 times and politely refusing .

The point I was alluding to is that many westerners think martial arts are for performing and entertainment. The guy asking me to “perform” for his wife’s amusement like some kind of “trained seal” should have stopped asking after the first “no, sorry”, but he instead he chose to be a persistent ass didn’t, even though he was a martial artist himself and should have understood the where I was coming from.

[Jonathan Randall]

Obviously nuance doesn’t travel over the Internet well. My reaction was appropriate after being asked about 4 or 5 times and politely refusing .

The point I was alluding to is that many westerners think martial arts are for performing and entertainment. The guy asking me to “perform” for his wife’s amusement like some kind of “trained seal” should have stopped asking after the first “no, sorry”, but he instead he chose to be a persistent ass didn’t, even though he was a martial artist himself and should have understood the where I was coming from.
Agreed on both points, that's why I put the disclaimer about "sounding" in.

[Makalakumu]

What do you mean by "suffered"?

Have numbers in the organization dropped? Have people begun asking some of these questions inside the organization? Has their credability been damaged?

Putting your own opinions aside, do MAists in Okinawa and Japan regard Mr. Dillman and his art with respect?

[RRouuselot]

1) Have numbers in the organization dropped?

2) Have people begun asking some of these questions inside the organization?

3) Has their credability been damaged?

4) Putting your own opinions aside, do MAists in Okinawa and Japan regard Mr. Dillman and his art with respect?

1) I wouldn’t know I haven’t taken any statistics. Have you?

2) Again, how would I know? I am not a member and do not want to be.

3) I would say Dillman’s has since he claimed he got “secrets” (scrolls, techniques, etc) from Soken and several sources that were there at his 1 and only meeting with Soken state he never received such instruction or scrolls. I found Dillman’s story hard to believe the first time I heard it since Soken only spoke Spanish and Okinawan dialect.

4) I would say most that come in contact with him do not. I know of several specific teachers (that shall go nameless) that do not.

[Makalakumu]

1) I wouldn’t know I haven’t taken any statistics. Have you?

2) Again, how would I know? I am not a member and do not want to be.

3) I would say Dillman’s has since he claimed he got “secrets” (scrolls, techniques, etc) from Soken and several sources that were there at his 1 and only meeting with Soken state he never received such instruction or scrolls. I found Dillman’s story hard to believe the first time I heard it since Soken only spoke Spanish and Okinawan dialect.

4) I would say most that come in contact with him do not. I know of several specific teachers (that shall go nameless) that do not.

Thank you for your answers, Sir.

[Sin]

Here is an example of the martial culture difference between the US and Japan/Okinawa.



Several years ago I was at a Budo seminar and was walking with my sai in hand to the dojo area intent on training when I was approached by a rather obnoxious “Nisei” (second generation abroad Japanese) and he said “Hey my wife wants to see how Sai are used. Can you show her something?” I said “no, sorry”. He kept asking “she really wants to see something…..just one flip or something…come on…” I looked him straight in the eye and replied: “I don’t train in martial arts for others amusement. If your wife wants to be entertained tell her to go rent a movie”

I get the "awe come on and show me something" deal all the time from people, expecally if my school goes to the park or something during the summer for class. Anywho I agree with your remark to them to an extent, if the guy was being an a-hole he deserved it.....But what I would have said/done was give him a business card of my Sensei's and tell him if he wants to see something, he should take a trial class at my school." Then if the guy really would like to learn something( or his wife) he'll take up the class or will be gone in one or two classes. I have used this technique before and most of the time...you will never hear from the guy again......kinda like the way you treat Jahova Witnesses that go door to door LOL. No offence to any Jahova Witnesses around here.

[ppko]

Have numbers in the organization dropped? Have people begun asking some of these questions inside the organization? Has their credability been damaged?

Putting your own opinions aside, do MAists in Okinawa and Japan regard Mr. Dillman and his art with respect?No sir numbers have not dropped.
People don't have to ask questions we know what is the truth, some of the people in the organization have seen these documents that Mr. Soken gave to Mr. Dillman (I am not one of them). This doesn't damage our credibility one bit, everyone has oppinions.

[Danjo]

Actually given the mind set of most Okinawa masters I have encountered I can understand his comments.

High ranking elder Okinawa Karate Masters are not really in the habit of performing like “trained seals”, giving private demos or private instruction to people they don’t know.



One thing that has to be considered is the martial culture in Okinawa is very different from that in the west and until one trains in Okinawa or Japan it is really hard to describe and document all the differences much of which is conveyed non-verbally in the first place. A major difference is many Okinawa dojo are not run in the “business sense” that western dojo are…..they don’t really try to “recruit” students by giving a demo of their style. This has to do with "hinkaku"......It was also mentioned that Soken was rather ill, so much so that he had to return to Okinawa.
Yet we do see video of Chosei Motubu performing the entire Motubu-ryu. Also, The Mabuna doing the same for his art. Choki Motubu had himself photographed performing kata and techniques, Funakoshi did the same thing and gave public demos of kata all the time. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule about it.

[ppko]

Yet we do see video of Chosei Motubu performing the entire Motubu-ryu. Also, The Mabuna doing the same for his art. Choki Motubu had himself photographed performing kata and techniques, Funakoshi did the same thing and gave public demos of kata all the time. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule about it.Well put sir

[GAB]

Yet we do see video of Chosei Motubu performing the entire Motubu-ryu. Also, The Mabuna doing the same for his art. Choki Motubu had himself photographed performing kata and techniques, Funakoshi did the same thing and gave public demos of kata all the time. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule about it.Hi,

I see where Robert is coming from. Both of your examples are not reflecting what Robert said or is discussing (IMO)

Funakoshi was on the hard sell to Japanese persons (asked or told to do so by Gov't)...

Choki was in compitition with Funakoshi at the time...

Quite a different time and place, I doubt very seriously if anyone would have just asked either to perform for them solo...Choki would not have understood (did not speak japanese very well), Funakoshi would not have listened...(neither of them spoke or knew English)...

Just thoughts of my own...Also, Knowledge is far superior to Rank...

Regards, Gary

[CountPike]

Dont actually get what this post is about but I would want knowledge and then rank. I would only want a grade if i was limited by not having it

[Sin]

Well you gotta admit PPKO...the evidence is there and you can see why people would doubt

[ppko]

Well you gotta admit PPKO...the evidence is there and you can see why people would doubtNo the evidence is not there, this is posted on a website just because it is written doesn't make it true. Like I have said before I know of people that have seen these papers that Mr. Soken gave to Mr. Dillman, just as everything that Mr. Rousellet writes isn't the truth, like Mr. Oyata not doing KOs on targets that are not moving for more info go here
http://www.geocities.com/brsbarnes/index.htm

[Jonathan Randall]

Yet we do see video of Chosei Motubu performing the entire Motubu-ryu. Also, The Mabuna doing the same for his art. Choki Motubu had himself photographed performing kata and techniques, Funakoshi did the same thing and gave public demos of kata all the time. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule about it.
I think context is everything here...

[terryl965]

I think this is a stupid post and the watchers should delete this entire post. One's credibility is one's dignity. I do not know this man exceot for what I have read: I.E. everybody can have there own opions about him does it matter sure to those people but for the masses who cares he does not train us and I for one believe what I personally can see. whether he did or not train with a high Master behind close doors hold no clue for me. Can the Man fight(sure) is he able to teach (sure) does he have a following (sure) not from me but from somebody. There are people out there that question me and myself who cares most people do not know all the facts just what they hear and go from there. I have got to know some of you by your post and your e-mails and I would train with you for who you are not for what people say about you. I hope you can see a outsider point of view GOD BLESS and Have a wonderful DAY!!!!!!

[Makalakumu]

No sir numbers have not dropped.
People don't have to ask questions we know what is the truth, some of the people in the organization have seen these documents that Mr. Soken gave to Mr. Dillman (I am not one of them). This doesn't damage our credibility one bit, everyone has oppinions.

I'm asking the questions to find out if this on going argument has more to do turf then merit. I don't know the history in this case, but I am curious.

[RRouuselot]

Yet we do see video of Chosei Motubu performing the entire Motubu-ryu. Also, The Mabuna doing the same for his art. Choki Motubu had himself photographed performing kata and techniques, Funakoshi did the same thing and gave public demos of kata all the time. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule about it. I know who Motobu and Funakoshi are but you lost me Mabuna......

Either way, what was the point of them having themselves photographed? I know Motobu's was for a book on karate and not necessarily to show off for a crowd of people. I have no idea what the purpose of Funakoshi being video taped was for. I am guessing since he was rather old at the time maybe his students wanted to preserve his kata on film….but that is just a guess.


I have seen many demos on video given by karate masters......what I don't see is those same masters jumping up and performing everytime someone they don't know or a perspective student walks by.

[RRouuselot]

No sir numbers have not dropped.
People don't have to ask questions we know what is the truth, some of the people in the organization have seen these documents that Mr. Soken gave to Mr. Dillman (I am not one of them). This doesn't damage our credibility one bit, everyone has oppinions.
I have seen the same documents since they were given to several others that attended the same event. They are by no means “secret”. Also, those same folks verify Dillman never got private instruction or any other such “special knowledge or training”.

[RRouuselot]

No the evidence is not there, this is posted on a website just because it is written doesn't make it true. Like I have said before I know of people that have seen these papers that Mr. Soken gave to Mr. Dillman, just as everything that Mr. Rousellet writes isn't the truth, like Mr. Oyata not doing KOs on targets that are not moving for more info go here
http://www.geocities.com/brsbarnes/index.htm
Do you regard those as KOs?
I certainly don't.

I suppose you probably think I designed and wrote everything on this website too http://www.smoka-usa.com/

I don’t know those folks……however I do find it odd that several people that were at the same event as Dillman all have pretty much the same thing to say as Mr. Coffman.

[Danjo]

I know who Motobu and Funakoshi are but you lost me Mabuna......

Either way, what was the point of them having themselves photographed?
I have seen many demos on video given by karate masters......what I don't see is those same masters jumping up and performing everytime someone they don't know or a perspective student walks by.Whoops! I see I typo-ed...Mabuni Kenei of Shito Ryu is who I meant.

True enough. They weren't trained monkeys. Private lessons amoungst masters is not all that uncommon, though I have no idea who these gentlemen were that Dillman is claiming lessons from. It's pretty bold to say that something definitely didn't happen from 33 years ago, especially when the guy's wife remembers the meeting of Dillman and the other fellow and even remembers waiting for them to finish. Who knows?

[RRouuselot]

1)Whoops! I see I typo-ed...Mabuni Kenei of Shito Ryu is who I meant.

True enough. They weren't trained monkeys.

2)Private lessons amoungst masters is not all that uncommon, though I have no idea who these gentlemen were that Dillman is claiming lessons from.

3)It's pretty bold to say that something definitely didn't happen from 33 years ago, especially when the guy's wife remembers the meeting of Dillman and the other fellow and even remembers waiting for them to finish. Who knows? 1)OK

2)For some stranger to just walk in off the street and get private lessons is not common in Okinawa or Japan. Especially now since many “budo tourist” westerners travel to Okinawa and ask for training for a couple of days. Very few teachers in Okinawa will accept an unknown person in the dojo for such a short term. The reason is westerners tend to do what Dillman did and say “I trained with XXXXX sensei” or “I am a student of XXXXX sensei”.

3)When there are several eye witnesses to corroborate Dillman did not receive any special treatment I would say it’s not that bold. I have dealt with the Dillman’s before…..on 1 occasion Dillman claimed via email to someone I know that he “kicked Oyata’s ass one time in a fight”. No such fight ever took place..... I confronted Dillman and his wife about it and they made a lame excuse that “oh someone used our computer without us knowing about it, we didn't write that”……….yeah right :rolleyes:

[RRouuselot]

Like I have said before I know of people that have seen these papers that Mr. Soken gave to Mr. Dillman
And those people are all fluent in either Japanese or Chinese and can read and know what they are looking at, right?

I doubt it!

They could have been looking at a Japanese sushi menu for all they know!

Since you guys like to post things up on the Internet for all to and sundry to see why don't you post this "secret scroll" up????


Or is it toooooo secret?

[still learning]

Hello, It would be nice if we could go back and ask them questions? Today we can only make a guess. The intent will be never really known today. ....Aloha

[RRouuselot]

Hello, It would be nice if we could go back and ask them questions? Today we can only make a guess. The intent will be never really known today. ....Aloha
No actually we can do more than guess........there were a few eyewitnesses there and they all tend to say the same thing.......Dillman never got any "secret stuff"...........Hell even Kise (the only person that was able to speak the same language as Soken) who was in the room with Soken says their was never any "secret stuff" passed on to Dillman.

[Adept]

I still fail to see what the whole hoo-hah is about. Why can't everyone just get on with their training, and ignore the boasting and claims of other people?

[GAB]

No actually we can do more than guess........there were a few eyewitnesses there and they all tend to say the same thing.......Dillman never got any "secret stuff"...........Hell even Kise (the only person that was able to speak the same language as Soken) who was in the room with Soken says their was never any "secret stuff" passed on to Dillman.
Well it sounds like it was pretty secret if only a few saw or heard it LOL...:idunno:

Was it rank or was it knowledge??? Neither, it was so secret it has its own name.
Reminds me of the secret "Ali punch". (CC) No one saw that either...:rolleyes:

Just funnin, got to go train, Bo is on for tonight...

Regards, Gary

[ppko]

And those people are all fluent in either Japanese or Chinese and can read and know what they are looking at, right?

I doubt it!

They could have been looking at a Japanese sushi menu for all they know!

Since you guys like to post things up on the Internet for all to and sundry to see why don't you post this "secret scroll" up????


Or is it toooooo secret?Actually sir we do have people in DKI that are from China, and people that are fluent in all sorts of languages. With schools world wide does that come as a surprise, as for posting it that would be up to Mr. Dillman and since he doesn't have the time to be on the net I doubt that you will be seeing them anytime soon.

[RRouuselot]

I still fail to see what the whole hoo-hah is about. Why can't everyone just get on with their training, and ignore the boasting and claims of other people?

Maybe it’s important because his “business” is founded on certain claims that he has made…..this being one of them.

[RRouuselot]

Actually sir we do have people in DKI that are from China, and people that are fluent in all sorts of languages. With schools world wide does that come as a surprise, as for posting it that would be up to Mr. Dillman and since he doesn't have the time to be on the net I doubt that you will be seeing them anytime soon.
Great. How many of those Chinese/Japanese folks were there when Soken and Dillman met?

ZERO



I can see how Dillman’s wife would support his claims…..



Why would Kise lie about Dillman? Why would Coffman? Why would several other people claim he never got any secret stuff???

I guess they all have an agenda against Dillman………

[terryl965]

I think this is a stupid post and the watchers should delete this entire post. One's credibility is one's dignity. I do not know this man exceot for what I have read: I.E. everybody can have there own opions about him does it matter sure to those people but for the masses who cares he does not train us and I for one believe what I personally can see. whether he did or not train with a high Master behind close doors hold no clue for me. Can the Man fight(sure) is he able to teach (sure) does he have a following (sure) not from me but from somebody. There are people out there that question me and myself who cares most people do not know all the facts just what they hear and go from there. I have got to know some of you by your post and your e-mails and I would train with you for who you are not for what people say about you. I hope you can see a outsider point of view GOD BLESS and Have a wonderful DAY!!!!!!Again please explain your whole post why is it so important to yje few wheather or not he did or did not WHO CARES DOES IT EFFECT YOUR TRAINING!!! PLEASE ANSWER!!!!:erg::erg::erg::erg:

[Sin]

Robert what do you hope to accomplish? Honestly...Do you want PPKO and all the others in Dillman's system to just to get out of Dillmans Org and go to RyuTe?

What do you want them to do about there Sensei's claIms (True or untrue)

or is it you just want them to call there teacher a fake

or even......dare i say...just to be a bully.

I think that we should let the past be the past, stay away from the McDojos and all at least try to be one big MA family

Now don't we all just feel warm inside, it all the feelings of togetherness.

[terryl965]

Robert what do you hope to accomplish? Honestly...Do you want PPKO and all the others in Dillman's system to just to get out of Dillmans Org and go to RyuTe?

What do you want them to do about there Sensei's claIms (True or untrue)

or is it you just want them to call there teacher a fake

or even......dare i say...just to be a bully.

I think that we should let the past be the past, stay away from the McDojos and all at least try to be one big MA family

Now don't we all just feel warm inside, it all the feelings of togetherness.I know I'm all fuzzy inside, let's go out to dinner and a movie, something like Hero what a warm hearted movie. All kidding aside well put SIN. :asian:

[RRouuselot]

1)Robert what do you hope to accomplish?

2)Honestly...Do you want PPKO and all the others in Dillman's system to just to get out of Dillmans Org and go to RyuTe?




3)What do you want them to do about there Sensei's claIms (True or untrue)

or is it you just want them to call there teacher a fake or even......dare i say...just to be a bully.




4)I think that we should let the past be the past, stay away from the McDojos and all at least try to be one big MA family

Now don't we all just feel warm inside, it all the feelings of togetherness.

1)I wasn’t aware I was trying to “accomplish” anything. As I stated in my first post it was an interesting article.

2)I don’t think they would….we don’t do “no touchy KOs or kiaijutsu” :rolleyes:

3)They don’t have to do a thing as far as I am concerned.

4)Yes, I am sure you would like that seeing as you and your teacher tried to use the Copyrighted name of my teacher’s art without permission. You and your teacher were trying to ride on the coattails of others using name value to get something you hadn’t earned…Dillman using Soken’s name is no different….Honesty is actually one of the corner stones of the martial arts…….

[Fbettincourt]

Mr Rousselot,

Honesty is one of the tenents of the martial arts, as I was taught. I was also taught that Courtesy, Respect, Integrity were a part of the martial arts as well. None of which has been shown by you. I truly feel sorry for you. It is a shame that you are such an angry person.

This thread started off quite nice. Not inflammatory at all, just that you were pointing something out. You then appeared to take it to the same low level that you have done before with myself and others. What purpose does this serve? Does your sarcasm and nastiness benefit mankind in any way or just stroke your ego?

Mr. Dillman may be a fraud, charlatan, or anything else that you or anyone else would care to call him. It is truly up to the buyer to beware. Are you the martial arts police? Are you the next coming of the martial arts messiah? You could be. You could also be an angry man and this is your chance to vent. So be it. Some choose to vent in front of a professional.

Truly man...peace!

FB

[ppko]

1)I wasn’t aware I was trying to “accomplish” anything. As I stated in my first post it was an interesting article.

2)I don’t think they would….we don’t do “no touchy KOs or kiaijutsu” :rolleyes:

3)They don’t have to do a thing as far as I am concerned.

4)Yes, I am sure you would like that seeing as you and your teacher tried to use the Copyrighted name of my teacher’s art without permission. You and your teacher were trying to ride on the coattails of others using name value to get something you hadn’t earned…Dillman using Soken’s name is no different….Honesty is actually one of the corner stones of the martial arts…….1) I beg to differ you would love to dicredit anyone in the DKI association
4)Let it go Robert, this was not Sin but his teacher (oh yeah Sin disagreed with you so you no longer like him huh). Honesty is one of the cornerstones of the Martial Arts try using it sometime.

[MJS]

Guys...lets try to tone it down a little before the Mods. lock the thread. Its getting a bit off track. Lets try to get it back on the right path and have some friendly discussion. :asian:

Mike

[RRouuselot]

Mr Rousselot,

Honesty is one of the tenents of the martial arts, as I was taught. I was also taught that Courtesy, Respect, Integrity were a part of the martial arts as well. None of which has been shown by you. I truly feel sorry for you. It is a shame that you are such an angry person.

This thread started off quite nice. Not inflammatory at all, just that you were pointing something out. You then appeared to take it to the same low level that you have done before with myself and others. What purpose does this serve? Does your sarcasm and nastiness benefit mankind in any way or just stroke your ego?

Mr. Dillman may be a fraud, charlatan, or anything else that you or anyone else would care to call him. It is truly up to the buyer to beware. Are you the martial arts police? Are you the next coming of the martial arts messiah? You could be. You could also be an angry man and this is your chance to vent. So be it. Some choose to vent in front of a professional.

Truly man...peace!

FB

Above is the typical post where the “poster” can’t actually contribute information to the topic at hand or defend something that has been said but instead uses a passive aggressive approach to try and discredit someone that has obviously pissed them off on another BBs. They do this by saying how “sorry” they feel for that person and how angry that person is all the while trying to take the moral high ground.

All I have to say to this is “post something on topic or go away”.

[Adept]

Really, who gives a rats ass what this guy claims, or whether or not its true? How is this even remotely important? If he claimed to be a purple giraffe, would you spend as much time and effort denouncing him?

I, and apparently some others, are having some trouble understanding your motivation.

[RRouuselot]

1) I beg to differ you would love to dicredit anyone in the DKI association
2)Let it go Robert, this was not Sin but his teacher (oh yeah Sin disagreed with you so you no longer like him huh).
3) Honesty is one of the cornerstones of the Martial Arts try using it sometime.

1) No, not really. If I post something and you always have the opportunity to prove me wrong.

2) Not at all. My beef with Sin was I and several Mods asked him politely to stop using a Copyrighted name in his “profile” via email…..he basically said “F.U.” and kept using it.

3) Have I been dishonest??

[Fbettincourt]

Mr. Rousselot,

No one said that you were dishonest. I did not see that anywhere. Your moral integrity appeared to be questioned and all you did was answer it with more negativity and then defended that with more negativity. Your attempts to take the moral highground, as you put it, appear to be by standing on those that you trample on.

You do not have to accept offerings of peace by me or anyone else. You must first find it within yourself.

FB

[RRouuselot]

Really, who gives a rats ass what this guy claims, or whether or not its true? How is this even remotely important? If he claimed to be a purple giraffe, would you spend as much time and effort denouncing him?

I, and apparently some others, are having some trouble understanding your motivation.
OK. Fair question. Who “gives a rats ass” about many of the topics on MT that much? You don’t post on every thread on MT do you?....most likely not…..most likely because you are not interested in them.

I posted what I thought was an interesting article…..read it….don’t read it….care about it…..don’t care about it…..makes no difference to me.

[RRouuselot]

Mr. Rousselot,

1) No one said that you were dishonest. I did not see that anywhere. Your moral integrity appeared to be questioned and all you did was answer it with more negativity and then defended that with more negativity. Your attempts to take the moral highground, as you put it, appear to be by standing on those that you trample on.


FB
1) Better open your eyes then
PPKO wrote:

Honesty is one of the cornerstones of the Martial Arts try using it sometime.

It’s funny how you “trolled” your way over here from Kyusho International, made a "bee line" for all the threads I post on….in fact all except 2 of your post are on threads that I am on. Does someone have an agenda? Sure looks like it….

[Fbettincourt]

Did I say I came from anywhere? Be careful of what you assume. Your anger has apparently clouded your judgement.

I am a member of this forum and fighting arts. Both of which I rarely post on. I read some others, but do not belong. Time does not permit. I read through and when I see your angry posts it reminded me of my brothers problem with anger management before he went and got help.

Not everything is a battle man. I hope you can find peace within yourself.

FB

[RRouuselot]

Your anger has apparently clouded your judgement.


FB That's just it......you ASSume I am angry. Actually I am not.

I guess you still can't post anything on topic......

[Makalakumu]

Okay, I think I get Robert's point. This thread doesn't have so much to do with rank or knowledge, but it does have a lot to do with giving credit where credit is due and it has a lot to do with earning the right to make various claims.

As far as the first part goes, giving credit where credit is due, this is done scholastically with citations. If someone blatently copies the material of another person and claims that it is "theirs" that is plagiarism. I think this happens a lot in the Martial Arts community because it is so hard to Copyright a technique...how does one enforce this copyright? Shouldn't we, as martial artists be really good at "the honor system?"

As far as the second part goes, exagerations and outright lies are common in many other scholastic fields. Not just martial arts. People claim to have this degree or that just like people claim to have trained with this person or have attained such and such rank. Personally, as someone who worked very hard to earn my rank, I can't help but pity a person who would dishonor themselves with the above behavior.

Maybe exposing the above two behaviors is important in order to restore some of the prestige and honor to traditional practice. I get pissed when I see a thirtysomething 8th dan...What the heck is an outsider supposed to think?

upnorthkyosa

[Fbettincourt]

Actually this was on topic. The started with you posting a link. What came of that link were questions...one of which was your motivation and juvenile attitude. I will let you have the last word since that is what you are best at.

Peace!

FB

[Rich Parsons]

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