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Carbon
05-14-2002, 10:28 AM
I have only been working out seriously for the past week now, so I can't really tell a difference in fat loss.
I was wondering if anyoen has a diet they could give me? Not really a diet but more like a nutritional meal plan.
I find myself eating after 7:00 pm and such like right before I go to bed and I know this isn't good for me.
I would like to change this since I'm trying hard to lose weight and such.
Also I have a question (girl question) there's this girl that goes to my gym that I know from school and who I saw at our local sonic where she works.
She waves to me and such, and I was talking to my mom and friend at the time and my mom was sitting right next to her when I was giong to tell my mom I was going to go home, and she was sitting right there.
I felt like an @$$ later for not saying anything to her because I walked right past her, I am not sure does anyone have any advice for this? I don't talk to her alot and I barely see her in school, just at sonic where my friends a cook and at the gym.
So any advice on both subjects would be nice :)
bscastro
05-14-2002, 12:31 PM
Regarding nutrition: There are many good books out there on nutrition. Definitely don't eat too late. That is a big thing. Also, eating right after you work out is good because your metabolism is higher a couple hours afterward. Really, common sense is the way to go, increase intake of fruits and vegetables, decrease intake of saturated fat, although some fats are necessary.
Regarding girls: Just talk to her! My fiancee said one thing that attracted her to me was my friendliness. Also my persistence because I just kept asking her out!
Good luck,
Bryan
Zujitsuka
05-14-2002, 02:36 PM
Good day bcastro. I've been following the "Blood Type Diet" as taught by Dr. Peter D'Adamo, since November 2001 and I've never felt better. I've dropped 20 lbs., my allergies aren't killing me like they usually do, and I have a lot more energy.
He has a series of books, the first one being EAT RIGHT 4 YOUR TYPE. In a nutshell, the author suggests that one should add or avoid certain foods depending on one's blood type. For instance, I'm type O and I should eat red meat regulary, but I should avoid dairy and wheat.
By the way, I was read an interview with Frank Shamrock where he mentions that he follows this type of diet.
Here is the link for the interview, http://www.realfighting.com/0102/shamint.htm
I hope this helps.
Cruentus
05-14-2002, 03:26 PM
Hi, what's up. I was just browsing and I saw your post. I usually stick to the Modern Arnis and FMA threads, but I felt I might be of help here.
I bodybuild, and I was looking into entering some contests, so I might be of assistance.
Dieting tips; here are some tips. It sounds like your in the cutting phase of your program. I'm not going to write up an entire program, but here are some things that might help:
1. Don't eat 3 hours before bed; calories that you intake then are generally either stored, or they sit in the digestive system, disrupting your sleep. If your stomach is queasy, eat something w/o substance, that will soak up the digestive juices (rice cake, saltine cracker, etc).
2. Get good rest: sleep depravation can cause your metabolism to slow during the day, and decreased energy levels can cause you to retain more fat then normal.
3. Come up with a proper diet plan. WRITE IT DOWN! Then stick to it as best as you can. Make sure your getting at least 1 gram of protien per lb. of body weight. This will allow you to preserve muscle tissue while you lose the fat.
4. Eat 6-8 tumes a day! Seriously. I am not kidding. Don't eat more food, just spread it out more. By eating multiple times you keep your metabolism at optimum levels, and your body will not feel the need to store fat. You will digest protien and vitamins/minerals better this way as well.
5. Cutting calories: essentially to lose fat, you have to cut calories. Don't let it be protien calories, however! What I like to do is find an average of my daily caloric intake in the off-season (I count my calories for 5 days and average it out). I break it up into %; What % of Protien, Carbs, and Fat my calories consist of. Then I can figure out what would be best for me to cut.
Then pick the kind of diet you'll go on; Low Carb & moderate fat, or Low Fat and Moderate Carb. Either tends to work, it just depends on the person. If you want to find out how many calories you should have while dieting, here is a good formula:
Fast metabolism: 13*bodyweight= Daily Caloric Intake (DCI)
Medium metabolism: 12* bodyweight=DCI
Slow Metabolism: 11* bodyweight=DCI
I suggest getting a good book on calorie counting and dieting. Dieting is easy if done properly, but it can be disasterous if not, so BE CAREFUL!
6. Cardio: do cardio 3-6 times a week depending on your metabolism. It should consist of a sustained rate for 30-60 min. When you do cardio is very important. Do it either in the morning, or after a workout (weightlifting). Your glucous and muscle glicagen levels are at their lowest at these times, so you will burn fat instead of the carbohydrates that are circulating through your system.
7. I assume that you lift weights, so maintain a weightlift program, and tailor it too the "cutting phase" of your workout. In other words, NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO LIFT HEAVY! If your lifting for power and size while your dieting, your contradicting yourself, and your risking injury. Now is the time to concentrate on higher reps with good strict form, and working all of those auxillary Muscles. Lower your rest time between sets, too. Add supersetting, drop-sets, and circuit training to your repitoire as well. It is very important to continue to work out regularly while dieting, or you risk losing hard earned Muscle mass.
8. Suppliments: Diet and excersise is WAY more important than wasting money on suppliments. If you have the $, however, stick to Protien powders, Multi-vitamins, Fiber, ZMA, or Amino Acids. DO NOT waste your $ on Thermogenics such has Hydroxicuts or Thermadryne, or anything like that. Your to0 young for it; I feel that it will do you more harm than good. Stay away from Creatine when getting cut; it can aid the building process, but it causes water retention big time.
9. Do everything gradually! Too many people jump right into freaky diets, and they don't see the results that they're looking for. Lowering your calories, and dropping carbs should be a gradual process. When I diet down I go from Mass building (4000-5000 calories daily) to my optimum dieting intake (2,100 calories daily), but it takes about 1 month to get there because I do it gradually. Again, pick up a good book on dieting and bodybuilding (and not some fad diet book) and follow the guidelines.
10. KNOW WHEN TO STOP!!!
I cannot stress this enough. At your age, you should be trying to focus on building as much muscle mass as you can, and avoid dieting too drastically. Your body is still growing, and dieting down too much or too often can stunt this process. I know it's gettin' hotter out, and you want the summer abs to show, but just be careful. Set your goals realistically, and stop when you reach them. Know when enough is enough. A lot of people don't know when to stop dieting down, or when to take a break, or when to make a change, and they ruin their physic.
These are just some tips. I hope I made some sense, and I hope I helped!
:cool:
girlychuks
05-14-2002, 03:31 PM
As far as the diet thing- don;t go for a DIET. Go for a lifestyle change. One thing I found was that overeating (especially for women!) was a way to replace something in life that is missing (Love, stimulation, etc)
For me, taking up martial arts put something in my life and I never dieted, I lost 30 pounds without blinking. I was 170 at 5'7 and a size 16, now I am a size 10. Now I feel sooooo much better and it;s all been in the span of 9 months. i see those weight loss pills and diet commercials and I cringe. Those you use for 6 weeks and they work about as long. I feel like I have tapped into something that will be here for the rest of my life.
As far as the girl- as a female that has been hit on (since I started karate and lost weight:D )
Things that are awesome in a guy:
1)A sweet smile and a genuine interest in the GIRL not her butt/boobs
2) RESPONDING to questions and being honest
3)An interest in self- improvment, not just showing up every other male in the dojo
Things that suck in a guy:
1) That little swagger that says "You should be honored to talk to me!!" (Goes for girls as well as guys. Narcissism- YUCK)
2) Perverted talk, cursing, loudness etc
The fact that you are nervous is good- it shows that you are going to be careful. Just be your sweet self. Spending some time with a female relative/ friend can be of great help too. Everyone will teach you something.
Best of luck!!-Cathy
Cruentus
05-14-2002, 03:57 PM
Carbon:
Different people do different things, but here's what I do. A quick summary, anyways.
1st here are a couple things I figured out. Jerks always seem to get chicks. Have you noticed that? That used to drive me CRAZY, cause I could never figure out why! I felt like I either had to be a jerk, or be alone. Then I read a book called "The Way to Love" by Anthony De Mello. It's not about sexual love, or even dating; It is actually written by a Jesuit Priest and it is about a love for all beings in general. It applies friggin' sweet to dating, however!
Wanna know why Jerks get chicks? They use a lot of nasty tactics sometimes, but the bottom line is they don't care. Therefore there is no pressure; they have no expectation level, and no fear. Since they really don't feel any pressure, they can just act however they want. Usually they pretend to be a nice guy, but because they don't feel pressured, the girl doesn't either. Since the girl isn't pressured, she feels comfortable with this "nice" guy. Since she feels comfortable, she is able to allow herself to date the Jerk.
So, here is what I do. I drop all expectations, therefore there is no pressure or fear. I don't become a jerk, because I do care about the girl, but I only care about her as a person. I don't care about whether or not she'll go out with me, whether or not she likes me, or whether or not I make a fool out of myself, or whatever. When I talk to a girl, I really have no expectation of the outcome. I can truely be myself.
All I gotta say is pick up that book, dude. It did me wonders! In the mean-time, if you see that girl again, talk to her. Don't think of anything specific to say before hand (that would be having an expectation), just let it flow. If it doesn't work out the way you expect, then your having an expectation again. Just see where it goes and what happends. You've got nothing to lose. I think you'll find that you'll get more dates this way then any other.
Good Luck! ;)
For me what's always worked (when I was single) was keeping
the attitude that you can never have enough friends. So
regardless of the physical attraction, I first attempted to be
their friend. The result was either dating the girl, or the girl
fixing me up with one of her friends.
I can't comment on dieting, I've tried everyone in the book
(except for the blood type one, I'll hafta look into that) and have
had no success :(
Cruentus
05-14-2002, 05:48 PM
When I would do that w/ the girls, I'd find myself getting trapped in 'friend zone,' and pissed off about it (I had the expectation of something more). I found that when I would project the idea "I wanna be your friend", they would either be totally turned off, or they'd become exactly what I projected; my friend! How often did I get them to think of me as something more? Never!
So I project nothing. I realize that I'd like to hook up with them, but I have no expectation of an outcome; friend, enemy, or girlfriend. I let them make the determination for themselves, instead of me doing it for them by projecting my idea's and intentions from the start. I do often end up with a new "friend" this way, but it's usually a mutual decision after a few dates.
But, again, that's just me!:shrug:
Danny
05-14-2002, 06:46 PM
I'm down 40lbs. on this diet,
No refined sugar.
No dairy.
No fats that are solid at room temprature.
Easy on the carbs.
50-50 protien - fruits and vegatables in the trimming phase
66-33 in the muscle building phase
6 meals per day plus protien supplements morning and night
Vit. C supplement to help me absorb. what I'm eating
I would also make sure to see a doctor before starting any strict diet because only they know your medical history.
Originally posted by Danny
I'm down 40lbs. on this diet,
No refined sugar.
No dairy.
No fats that are solid at room temprature.
Easy on the carbs.
50-50 protien - fruits and vegatables in the trimming phase
66-33 in the muscle building phase
6 meals per day plus protien supplements morning and night
Vit. C supplement to help me absorb. what I'm eating
I would also make sure to see a doctor before starting any strict diet because only they know your medical history.
In the trimming phase? What's that mean?
Rich Parsons
05-14-2002, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by PAUL
Carbon:
Different people do different things, but here's what I do. A quick summary, anyways.
1st here are a couple things I figured out. Jerks always seem to get chicks. Have you noticed that? That used to drive me CRAZY, cause I could never figure out why! I felt like I either had to be a jerk, or be alone. Then I read a book called "The Way to Love" by Anthony De Mello. It's not about sexual love, or even dating; It is actually written by a Jesuit Priest and it is about a love for all beings in general. It applies friggin' sweet to dating, however!
Wanna know why Jerks get chicks? They use a lot of nasty tactics sometimes, but the bottom line is they don't care. Therefore there is no pressure; they have no expectation level, and no fear. Since they really don't feel any pressure, they can just act however they want. Usually they pretend to be a nice guy, but because they don't feel pressured, the girl doesn't either. Since the girl isn't pressured, she feels comfortable with this "nice" guy. Since she feels comfortable, she is able to allow herself to date the Jerk.
So, here is what I do. I drop all expectations, therefore there is no pressure or fear. I don't become a jerk, because I do care about the girl, but I only care about her as a person. I don't care about whether or not she'll go out with me, whether or not she likes me, or whether or not I make a fool out of myself, or whatever. When I talk to a girl, I really have no expectation of the outcome. I can truely be myself.
All I gotta say is pick up that book, dude. It did me wonders! In the mean-time, if you see that girl again, talk to her. Don't think of anything specific to say before hand (that would be having an expectation), just let it flow. If it doesn't work out the way you expect, then your having an expectation again. Just see where it goes and what happends. You've got nothing to lose. I think you'll find that you'll get more dates this way then any other.
Good Luck! ;)
Paul,
Is this how you got the Brunette from the
front desk? And I was left with an e-mail sent
to you instead of me?
Just curious
:rofl:
Carbon
05-15-2002, 12:47 AM
I am 6'2 and 270 lbs. So I am not going to have any summer abs.
I want to lose 40 lbs. by next year. I am not trying to really build alot of mass, and I didn't mean diet I did kinda mean lifestyle change.
I am trying to lose weight, and I would really like to get a better physique for myself.
I will look for that book diet for you or wahtever I have a webpage open with it right now.
Now about the girl, I will try talking to her, I see her maybe once in the hallways at school, but I mean she is walking with her friends and I can't just randomly walk up to her and such? I feel like an a$$ I mean I can say hi and such but can't really have a conversation.
I haven't really ever had alot of dates? I mean none at all really, lol I know alot of people who haven't but then I know alot of people who have lost all respect for women that are my age because they were given things to easily like sex.
This is very off topic but I like'd to discuss this because it kinda irritates me with the friends I have who get sex all the time, and talk about girls like they are nothing, and here I am thinking about wanting to have a girl-friend who I could just sit with in my house or her house and just watch TV.
So you see two different personality's from the things that kids get at an early age.
Originally posted by Carbon
I know alot of people who haven't but then I know alot of people who have lost all respect for women that are my age because they were given things to easily like sex.
Boy, have times changed!
Rich Parsons
05-15-2002, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by Carbon
I am 6'2 and 270 lbs. So I am not going to have any summer abs.
. . .
Now about the girl, I will try talking to her, I see her maybe once in the hallways at school, but I mean she is walking with her friends and I can't just randomly walk up to her and such? I feel like an a$$ I mean I can say hi and such but can't really have a conversation.
. . .
Carbon,
6'2" 270 lbs in the right places is not a bad
statistic. Only address the wieght issue
foryour self and not for the women or for what
ever reason. Only for your self. Then you
will have a better chance of keeping it off.
As for feeling like an @$$ if you were to talk to
a young lady even if her friends are around.
Do you feel like an @$$ now, not being able to
talk to her? Say Hi, talk to her. If she has
changed her hair style, comment on how you like
it. If you truly do that is. Ask her if she would
like to go out for a pizza? Be yourself, but
ask her out. Some place where you can talk and
commincate with each other. This means that unless
you are already friends a movie is not the best
first date. If she is at the Gym, and you know
when she leaves ask her then, if some night
she would like to go get a pop and talk? Not
suring her work out but afterwards.:)
Good Luck
Rich
Originally posted by Carbon
I have only been working out seriously for the past week now, so I can't really tell a difference in fat loss.
I was wondering if anyoen has a diet they could give me? Not really a diet but more like a nutritional meal plan.
I find myself eating after 7:00 pm and such like right before I go to bed and I know this isn't good for me.
I would like to change this since I'm trying hard to lose weight and such.
Also I have a question (girl question) there's this girl that goes to my gym that I know from school and who I saw at our local sonic where she works.
She waves to me and such, and I was talking to my mom and friend at the time and my mom was sitting right next to her when I was giong to tell my mom I was going to go home, and she was sitting right there.
I felt like an @$$ later for not saying anything to her because I walked right past her, I am not sure does anyone have any advice for this? I don't talk to her alot and I barely see her in school, just at sonic where my friends a cook and at the gym.
So any advice on both subjects would be nice :)
Don't worry. Everthing will work out if your intent is correct.
/Yari
Cruentus
05-15-2002, 10:40 AM
Carbon:
I know what you mean about a lifestyle change. I still advocate counting calories (and finding out the % of protien, carbs, and fat from those calories) for this. That is the only way to configure out what your eating, and what needs to be changed.
example: My girlfriend (who is actually very small) wanted to go for the fitness model look, so she had asked me to help her. She also wanted to make some lifestyle changes as well. So, I had her count her calories. It can be a pain in the butt, but it's well worth it. We found out that the amount of calories she was intaking was just fine, but the % of what she was eating on a daily bases was terrible! Her percentages were something like 70% carbs, 14% protien, 16% fat. This is a good diet if you want to gaurentee heart disease or diabities!! She was totally suprised, and we would have never known this had we have not counted the calories. She knew that to normalize her diet she needed to drastically reduce the Carbs, and add more protien to her diet.
A good formula to follow for proper (normal, not dieting)% is:
50% carbs; 30% protien; 20% fat
Women: Listen to Rich Parsons; he is the pimp daddy supreme!
Rich: you know I'm just messin' w/ you right!? That chick didn't really e-mail me, I was kidding:rofl:
I'm pretty sure that you knew that, but it's hard to tell on these talk forums. ;)
girlychuks
05-15-2002, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by PAUL
[
1st here are a couple things I figured out. Jerks always seem to get chicks. Have you noticed that? That used to drive me CRAZY, cause I could never figure out why
Wanna know why Jerks get chicks? They use a lot of nasty tactics sometimes, but the bottom line is they don't care. Therefore there is no pressure; they have no expectation level, and no fear. Since they really don't feel any pressure, they can just act however they want. Usually they pretend to be a nice guy, but because they don't feel pressured, the girl doesn't either. Since the girl isn't pressured, she feels comfortable with this "nice" guy. Since she feels comfortable, she is able to allow herself to date the Jerk.
;) [/B]
if I hear one more guy say only jerks get girls, I'm going to hurl..
That's one of the most mysogynistic attitudes perpetuated.
Bottom line: There are ******* guys. There are ******* girls. And there are emotionally hampered people of either sex to date them.
girlychuks
05-15-2002, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Carbon
I haven't really ever had alot of dates? I mean none at all really, lol I know alot of people who haven't but then I know alot of people who have lost all respect for women that are my age because they were given things to easily like sex.
This is very off topic but I like'd to discuss this because it kinda irritates me with the friends I have who get sex all the time, and talk about girls like they are nothing, and here I am thinking about wanting to have a girl-friend who I could just sit with in my house or her house and just watch TV.
So you see two different personality's from the things that kids get at an early age.
Well hell, I'm must going to be the argumentative little B*tch today. Must be PMS.
Carbon hun, you don't "Get sex" too much at a young age. It is a personal choice. I take it for granted that Men and women view it differently. That's fine, Yin and yang, right?
Don't worry about your friends that "get sex" and treat girls like they are nothing. That is one of the hardest things to accept and get over in life.... that there will always be people that trash what you treasure. There will always be someone that has more and values it less.
Just be concerned with yourself and how you love others and the mark you leave on this world. GOod luck and take care.
OK, now obligitory Martial arts topic: I won sparring in my first tourney. YAY!!! It was very fun despite the warnings I recieved and the comment about how I fight like a guy
:confused:
Respect only always, Cathy
Cruentus
05-15-2002, 01:38 PM
if I hear one more guy say only jerks get girls, I'm going to hurl..
That's one of the most mysogynistic attitudes perpetuated.
Bottom line: There are ******* guys. There are ******* girls. And there are emotionally hampered people of either sex to date them.
Thanks for stating the obvious in your "bottom line," but I didn't say "only jerks get girls," so you don't have to hurl.
Don't worry about your friends that "get sex" and treat girls like they are nothing. That is one of the hardest things to accept and get over in life.... that there will always be people that trash what you treasure. There will always be someone that has more and values it less.
Uh....yea. Those would be those "Jerks" I was talking about.
Sorry to be so Argumentative, it must be the PMS.
:D Congrats on your tournament, and fighting like a guy. I'm always told that I fight like a girl. :D
girlychuks
05-15-2002, 03:00 PM
Point taken Paul. I just now read your sig line and had a good laugh at myself......:rolleyes:
Danny
05-15-2002, 06:20 PM
Trimming = weight lose. E.g. trimming the fat.
Carbon
05-16-2002, 12:27 AM
This is what I want, I want it to be the first day of school I come into my classes and I've lost 30 lbs. and everyone's shocked.
Its 1 week till summer ends and I am hoping that in 3 months I can build some muscle and lose some fat.
I need to start running and I'm thinking tomorrow when I go to the rec again to work my arms I'm going to run, but is biking just as good? since I would rather bike then run.
Running just is to high impact.
Rich Parsons
05-16-2002, 01:16 AM
Carbon,
ON the diet thing, Paul said not to eat late
and to also eat 6-8 times a day. These are good
ideas. Also the Blood type diet has some good
chemistry behind the plan to back up its claims.
In the early 90's there was also another diet plan
I have tried to look up but I am unable to at
this time. Yet, it had to do with the type of
foods you eat. When you eat Protein, then eat
protein. When you eat carbs the eat carbs. When,
eat natural sugars AKA fruits and honey, then
eat your sugars. :)
The body is a natural chemical machine. If you
are digesting Proteins and Carbs and Sugars
all at the same time then the body will not
be as efficient. And when the body is not
efficient, it stores the food it breaks down into
fats.
Therefore, you could try to count your calories,
and to also target the foods according to your
blood type and also eat 6-8 times a day by eating
only one type of food a time. This will keep
your metabolism at a peak, it will also allow
the digestive track to work at a more productive
rate then just producing fats to be stored.
Just 2 cents worth from another 'Big' Guy.
Best Wishes
Rich
:asian:
arnisador
05-16-2002, 01:41 AM
Not eating late really helps. If you can move your big meal of the day to noon and take a lighter meal for your evening meal, that's even better. Eating more frequently but not more food is also good.
When you exercise does matter, as others have suggested, but that you exercise is the most important thing.
Expect that after a good-sized large loss it'll be harder to lose the weight--be prepared to keep going despite that. Whatever you are doing, keep doing it when this happens
Keep your eyes on the prize--you can do a lot in three months. Keep thinking about how happy that'll make you feel. Good luck.
Zujitsuka
05-16-2002, 01:51 PM
Rich Parsons has some excellent points. I recently read a book entitled THE FOOD COMBINING/BLOOD TYPE DIET SOLUTION: A PERSONALIZED DIET PLAN AND COOKBOOK FOR EACH BLOOD TYPE, by Dina Khader, and Irene Toovey.
According to the authors, when you want to lose weight, do not combine carbs with protein at one sitting. If you mix carbs with protein, your body has to work harder to digest the food properly and consequently some will be converted to fat. Being that your body is working harder, one tends to get sleepy after such a meal.
I have found that when I exclude carbs from my mid-day meal, I generally have more energy than I would have if I combined protein and carbs - even if I have a "He-Man" serving of meat.
For maintenance, the authors say that food combining is okay if you exercise regularly.
Tyrone Turner
"Zujistsuka"
Queens, NY
www.TyroneTurner.com
Cruentus
05-16-2002, 02:15 PM
Girlychucks: I know, I'm such a dork. :boing1: I'm glad you didn't take me too seriously!;)
I've heard about the concept of not mixing carbs/protiens; but I've never really noticed that big of a difference for myself. That could be because between weight training and Martial Arts, my activity levels are real high. I have never heard of Marathon runners, Body Builders, or sports players with high activity levels trying to utilize this method. I think that it might be due to the reason that people with real high activity levels have a much higher caloric intake, and we usually have to mix carbs/protien to reach our normal levels.
If your activity levels are not way above normal, maybe not mixing carbs/protien in the same meal is a good method. I don't know. If anyone on this forum can refrence a scientific write-up on the subject, I'd like to check it out.
:cool:
sweeper
05-16-2002, 04:26 PM
Rich Parsons - The body is a natural chemical machine. If you
are digesting Proteins and Carbs and Sugars
all at the same time then the body will not
be as efficient. And when the body is not
efficient, it stores the food it breaks down into
fats.
Zujitsuka - According to the authors, when you want to lose weight, do not combine carbs with protein at one sitting. If you mix carbs with protein, your body has to work harder to digest the food properly and consequently some will be converted to fat.
Unless I'm mistaken this is somewhat incorrect, when your body is more efficient you store fat. It isn't a lack of efficience that makes your body store fat when you combine fats/carbs/protiens it's the opposite. Your body can convert protiens to carbs and carbs to fats but when you ingest protiens and carbs for example it doesn't have to convert protiens to carbs so it is in effect more effiicient. When your body converst protiens/carbs/fats it takes up some energy in the process, it's my understanding that this is when fat storage comes into play, because you have a larger energy intake than needed relativly speaking.
Cruentus
05-16-2002, 04:37 PM
I was thinking along those lines myself. That's why I'd want to read something scientific about it first.
Rich Parsons
05-16-2002, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by sweeper
Unless I'm mistaken this is somewhat incorrect, when your body is more efficient you store fat. It isn't a lack of efficience that makes your body store fat when you combine fats/carbs/protiens it's the opposite. Your body can convert protiens to carbs and carbs to fats but when you ingest protiens and carbs for example it doesn't have to convert protiens to carbs so it is in effect more effiicient. When your body converst protiens/carbs/fats it takes up some energy in the process, it's my understanding that this is when fat storage comes into play, because you have a larger energy intake than needed relativly speaking.
DOH! :eek:
My Engineering background has confused everyone
including myself - AGAIN :D
First, I would have to say from a survival stand
point and from a caloric stand point, the body
is more efficient when the body mixes Carbs and
proteins, et al. I will have to agree with your
comments and concerns.
On the other hand it is less efficient when you
are looking at the goal of the person who resides
in the body in question. If the goal is weight or
mass loss than the whole process is not efficient
for the owner of the body. The owner of the body
will have to do extra work to burn those calories.
The owner of the body will have to eat even less
to decrease the amount of calories the body
intakes.
So, I will not argue that I made a mistake. For
I did. I will also state that I did not make my
point clear, by communicating. :rofl:
I do apologize for my lack of proper terms and
for the confusion I have caused. I was looking
at it from the point of view (physicist not
biologist) of the work required from the owner
of the body, and there by the lack of efficiency
for the same caloric intake. With the goal being
weight loss. If the goal is not weight loss and your are looking at the survival of the species,
it extremely efficient.
:shrug:
Rich
Will you ever forgive me ???
:rolleyes:
sweeper
05-16-2002, 06:01 PM
hmm.. does anyone know of any research on using biofeedback to reduce fat or decrease fat gain?
Just sort of a side question I thought would be interesting.
Zujitsuka
05-16-2002, 06:11 PM
I really appreciate this discussion because this is a topic that I'm pretty passionate about. Sweeper and Paul, I agree with you to a certain extent that one's body stores some fat when it is working at optimum levels - kind of like storing a reserve for lean times (like a camel's hump). But you're not saying that a lot of body fat is indicative of an efficient metabolism are you? If that is the case, I had an extremely efficient metabolism this time last year when I was 20+ lbs heavier.
I'm no doctor, but the info I gathered about the food combining theory says that protiens and starches require different enzymes to digest properly and when you combine them in one meal, both enzymes are released and they somewhat cancel each other out. So food is either not digested and your food leaves your body as waste or it is stored as fat. In either event, one's body is not getting the nutrients it needs to repair itself (i.e. develop muscle tissue, fight off microorganisms, etc.). It is therefore reasonable to conclude that one's body is not operating an an optimum level.
Perhaps these diets are not for everyone but they are certainly working for me. It doesn't even seem like a diet to me because I don't count calories or anything like that. I just avoid certain things. For instance, as a type O person, since I've limited certain starches like bread and pasta (semolina) from my diet I've been much better off. Dr. D'Adamo (blood type diet proponent) says that wheat products cause the release of histamines in type O's can cause allergic reactions resulting in asthma and certain auto-immune diseases like eczema and arthritis - all three of which have been significantly alleviated since I've limited wheat in my diet. I use to be on 7 (yes seven!) asthma medications and now I don't have to take any. My arthritis rarely bothers me and my skin is not chronically dry any longer.
I truly believe that most people dig their own graves with their teeth, and that folks would be better off if the watch what they eat and exercise regularly.
Here are two sites that may answer a lot of questions about the blood type diet and the food combining diet:
http://www.4yourtype.com
http://www.khadergroup.com
As JKDers say, "Absorb what is useful and leave the rest."
VampyrSoul2000
07-22-2002, 04:30 AM
A sea food diet .. I see food I like, I eat it.
As with anything, just the right combination of food and exercise is good for anyone. Knowing how much to eat and what foods are good for you (or not good for you) is important.
Just don't have a milk shake before class ... not good.
Deathtrap101
08-30-2002, 07:36 PM
haha, Carbon, i know exactly how you feel about the girl thing. Ive had a whole one girlfeind so far and it lasted maybe 3 weeks. But yea im gonna try and make a good lasting relationship this year. And dont you just hate it when you got a big crush on someone and they already have a boyfreind?? man that sucks....
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