Diagram/Pattern of forms

[Ceicei]

Hello,

I've been studying Short form 3. What I am wondering is how you view the diagram or pattern of that form? For example, we know with Short form 1, the diagram/pattern of that is the shape of a plus (+), [going 12 to 6, then 3 to 9, then 9 to 3, then 6 to 12].

For Short form 3, my understanding is that it starts out in a line (12 to 6), then switches from 9 to 3. From there on, the angle shifts to a sort of a lopsided incomplete rectangle; (going 8 to 2) with the upper right corner, then at that corner goes 10 to 4, then a long side from 4 to 10, then a short side from 8 to 2 before the final segment, 12 to 6. I am trying to visualize this in a linear way. If my word description doesn't make sense to you, maybe I can draw what I think the Short form 3 diagram is in my mind, and attach it for you for your feedback.

- Ceicei

[Goldendragon7]

Hello,

I've been studying Short form 3. What I am wondering is how you view the diagram or pattern of that form? For example, we know with Short form 1, the diagram/pattern of that is the shape of a plus (+), [going 12 to 6, then 3 to 9, then 9 to 3, then 6 to 12].

For Short form 3, my understanding is that it starts out in a line (12 to 6), then switches from 9 to 3. From there on, the angle shifts to a sort of a lopsided incomplete rectangle; (going 8 to 2) with the upper right corner, then at that corner goes 10 to 4, then a long side from 4 to 10, then a short side from 8 to 2 before the final segment, 12 to 6. I am trying to visualize this in a linear way. If my word description doesn't make sense to you, maybe I can draw what I think the Short form 3 diagram is in my mind, and attach it for you for your feedback.

- Ceicei The pattern in Short Form 3 utilizes the + and the x signs. The directions that are involved are: 12~6~3~9~7:30~4:30~10:30 & 1:30.

:asian:

[Ceicei]

So are you saying it is not like a rectangle? Are you suggesting the starting point is in the middle, and the + and X on top of each other and should end up in the middle again (thereby looking like a star)? If so, I don't see how that is possible, because when I start short form 3, I end up by a yard or two to the left and ahead of the original starting point.

- Ceicei

[Michael Billings]

Try doing right side, then left side. You should finish up much closer to center.

... and yes, it is not a rectangle, but a "+" sign superimposed with the "X" symbol.

-Michael

[Ceicei]

Try doing right side, then left side. You should finish up much closer to center.

... and yes, it is not a rectangle, but a "+" sign superimposed with the "X" symbol.

-MichaelOk, makes sense, thank you!! I'll give that a try. It looks like I may be doing some stances longer on one side than the other....

- Ceicei

[Kenpodoc]

I find that a common problem is taking much too large steps on Wings of Silk.

Jeff

[Ceicei]

I find that a common problem is taking much too large steps on Wings of Silk.

JeffUmmm, interesting. I'll try shortening the steps with Wings of Silk. How about with Crossed Twigs? Could the initial stepping forward (before the pivot) sometimes be too long?

- Ceicei

[dcence]

He For example, we know with Short form 1, the diagram/pattern of that is the shape of a plus (+), [going 12 to 6, then 3 to 9, then 9 to 3, then 6 to 12].

Actually if you really look at it Short 1 is an L.

[mj-hi-yah]

Actually if you really look at it Short 1 is an L.Hmmmm:lookie:

[pete]

an L from one side, but an inverted T when done from both sides...

[Michael Billings]

Correct, untill you have done both sides ... which I thought were incorporated in their entirety in Short #1. Then you get the + sign.

-Michael

[mj-hi-yah]

an L from one side, but an inverted T when done from both sides...Because we retreat when facing 6:00 rather than advance if it's shortened to a stubby :) inverted T with each line being of equal length ~ and taking into account we are of course doing both sides, I can visualize Short Form I more in this way. :)

[jfarnsworth]

Ummm, interesting. I'll try shortening the steps with Wings of Silk. How about with Crossed Twigs? Could the initial stepping forward (before the pivot) sometimes be too long?

- Ceicei
Stepping off into an inverted neutral bow to pivot into a correct right forward bow.