I noticed that the "Kooga ryu Ninjutsu Oral Tradition" thread has been locked, and, for better or for worse, "Sojobow" has had his account suspended, so I figured I should write everyone an apology.http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif

"Sojobow" had been decieving people with his posts, so I figured I would dupe him and give him some of his own medicine. I figured that if he was choking on the garbage I was spewing, he would have less time to spew his own. I apologize to the community here at large if I misled any of you in the process.

I think most of you were pretty much able to see through the flimsy lies I had posted, but just to make everything 100% clear I'd like to put it all out on the table.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon3.gifFirst off; THERE IS NO "HACHI TENGU" GROUP. Don Roley was right. Linguistically, it doesn't make sense, and there is NO factual basis for the existence of any such group in the first place.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon3.gifNext, I mentioned 3 "arts" to be found within the "Kooga ryu". Sojobow admitted to practicing all of these "arts" in both the thread as well as by Private Message. THESE ARTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NINJUTSU.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif1. "Chanbara": Chanbara is a game Japanese schoolkids play. They roll up a newspaper and try to hit each other with it.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif2. "Kancho Jutsu": A "Kancho" is an "enema" in Japanese. On the Japanese Elementary School playground, a "Kancho" is sticking someone where the sun don't shine...in America, we'd call "Kanchojutsu" goosing someone.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif3. "Nigiri Pe"/Nigiri Pie": Another Japanese Elemntary School prank. "Nigiri" means "to grasp". In this case, when "Kid A" feels impending flatulence, he quickly "grasps" the fart in his hand, runs over to "Kid B", shouts "PE!" and "throws" the fart into "Kid B's" face.

These "arts" are common to all Japanese schoolkids under the age of ten, so I figure they get a "G" rating and wouldn't ruffle anyone's feathers for writing them here.

As Sojobow did admit to me that he trains in all of these "traditional arts", I sure wouldn't want to be in his dojo...those "Nigiri Pe" surprise attacks are unbearable!

If anyone thinks I've been "a meanie" please post complaints to me here.

Again, I apologize if I've mislead anyone by posting the aforementioned information in an attempt to distract Sojobow (or if I amused anyone whose ever played "Chanbara").:asian:

That was incredibly clever.

Koog-Koog-a-Ryu Mr. sojobow

Hachi Tengu more than you will know

Ni-gi-ri Pie Mr. sojobow

Chanbara a game for those who prey...

...so I figured I should write everyone an apology...

Socrates made an apology to everyone too, but that didn't mean he was sorry for what he had done.

3. "Nigiri Pe"/Nigiri Pie": Another Japanese Elemntary School prank. "Nigiri" means "to grasp". In this case, when "Kid A" feels impending flatulence, he quickly "grasps" the fart in his hand, runs over to "Kid B", shouts "PE!" and "throws" the fart into "Kid B's" face.


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As Sojobow did admit to me that he trains in all of these "traditional arts", I sure wouldn't want to be in his dojo...those "Nigiri Pe" surprise attacks are unbearable!


Kuki-nage?

http://www.frankdux.com/duxforum/viewthread.php?tid=1309

http://www.frankdux.com/duxforum/viewthread.php?tid=1309
In the above link, Sojobow has stated that he only sent me one Private Message, and that my claims are false. I believe he is trying to "beat me to the punch" by claiming those PM's never existed before I made them available to everyone (they are embarassing).

The above mentioned PM's thoroughly discuss Sojobow's experience giving and recieving "Kanchojutsu", extensive training in "Chanbara", and interest in finding spiritual growth through the deeper principles of "Nigiri Pe". As these PM's were "private", at the moment, it is just my word against his. I realize that I am rather new here, and that I don't think I have a reputation comparable to his. Would I be out of line in posting those Private Messages here? I believe that I would be. Advice from other forum members would be appreciated.:asian:

Obviously, I have hurt his feelings and thus far he is unable to find it in his heart to forgive me for my actions. http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif

Don't post any PMs and give him something else to scream about. When it comes down to it, even a relative unknown like yourself has more credibility than Sojobow. Just looking at the public postings he made you can tell that he was totally suckered in by something that a 9 year old in Japan would fall over himself laughing about.

You are here, he is not. Let him rant and rave on the Frank Dux forums while we show just how unimportant he is by continuing on with some constructive conversations here.

Sojobow is on a 1 week suspension. It is usually considered 'poor form' to target folks who aren't able to respond at that time. He will be allowed back in a few days.

The posting of his PM's would be a clear attempt at providing evidence for this long and drawn out fraudbusting campaign that far too many of you have put far too much effort into. This is not the purpose of Martial Talk. I strongly suggest that many of you re-evaluate what your purpose is at Martial Talk, and whether it is compatible with our policies.

imo, i think we should all move on!

by the way... nigri pe.... that was funny :rofl: i actually had stopped paying too much attention to those post because i didn't understand them.;) hee hee!

peace

imo, i think we should all move on!
Agreed. Everyone should go to a neutral corner and wait for the referee's signal.
:)
As for myself, I've refrained from posting in the Modern section of late unless someone has asked a question regarding the Bujinkan or traditional training (Enson's thread regarding yoko aruki, for example).
As Kaith has set the ground rules re: documenting claims, I think there's little need to debunk claims from individuals like sojobow.

Jeff

http://www.frankdux.com/duxforum/viewthread.php?tid=1309

sojobow is now being fraudbusted on his home court by a poster called Tekage. This is s-o-o-o funny!

Sojobow is on a 1 week suspension....He will be allowed back in a few days."Karma is as Karma does." :yinyang:


:feedtroll

A ninja forum is like a box of chocolates...

IF I moved to japan I wonder if I could open a school teaching "The Weasel" and "fart-knocking" as traditional American fighting techniques LOL That's precious. I enver read one post aobut any of this but that's really funny stuff.

I am not familiar with the thread(s) that this apology is addressing, but my coworker (who is Japanese) and I got a kick out of the 3 "arts" you created, Kizaru.

I am not familiar with the thread(s) that this apology is addressing, but my coworker (who is Japanese) and I got a kick out of the 3 "arts" you created, Kizaru.
Once again, I apologize if it seems I invented these 3 "arts". They are "traditional" (classical?) Elementary school playground pranks in Japan, similar to the American "wedgie" , "rat tail" (snapping a wet towel at somebody's privates) or "hey, what's that on your shirt". It would seem that Kanchojutsu, Nigiri Pe and Chanbara are present and "trained" frequently according to a member of the Dux ryu who is currently suspended from this forum.

If you want to find the aformentioned "threads" you can start by looking in the "Kooga ryu ninjutsu" thread, and following subsequent posts by "the king of the Tengu".

Many apologies.
:asian:

If you want to find the aformentioned "threads" you can start by looking in the "Kooga ryu ninjutsu" thread, and following subsequent posts by "the king of the Tengu". Many apologies.:asian: No apologies are necessary - neither is there anything to be forgiven for. As I said in the very first post in the thread Seik locked: "I'll play your little game." I had been suspended (for what reason I really can't say). Taking the initiative on my suspension, you blew it. Never thought I'd be back. Now for some real subterfuge. Do not erase the "PM's" I was supposed to have sent you. (Hint: someone else knows what is there)

One thing I will thank you for however, now, at least 4 other people actually KNOW the truth.

Let the games begin!

One thing I will thank you for however, now, at least 4 other people actually KNOW the truth.
Hmm...cryptic. The people on this forum aren't stupid, if you continue acting like a clown, you will continue to be treated as one.

Is this all that modern has to offer? Someone help!

Now for some real subterfuge. Do not erase the "PM's" I was supposed to have sent you. (Hint: someone else knows what is there)

One thing I will thank you for however, now, at least 4 other people actually KNOW the truth.
Ok lets stop all this "NINJA" games. If you have something to say say it. Do not play games and give hints that something bigger is involved or that a select group knows something no one else does. If you and whomever have something to say put it out here where it can be seen and discussed or else stop making statements you never have any intention of backing up

Ok lets stop all this "NINJA" games. If you have something to say say it. Do not play games and give hints that something bigger is involved or that a select group knows something no one else does. If you and whomever have something to say put it out here where it can be seen and discussed or else stop making statements you never have any intention of backing upWhy me!!!!? Its your rules that expressly forbid us from reopening locked threads as has been done in this case. I will not go back to the locked thread and discuss it in any way "per your rules." If you want to discuss anything regarding these two threads, try pointing out the rules broken (especially ones regarding individuals not present as I was NOT allowed here). If this is not enough, just have the author post those PMs he says exist and show us where I ever confirmed that I practices his 3 little games. Since the owner here decided not to post and discuss my reply made just after the lying post was submitted, I don't think I should override his decision as well as the individual the originally locked the thread in dispute. Your Rules, not mine.

The Clown.

Ok this is from me as a person not as a mod

Do the words Grow up and stop trolling mean anything to you?

You muck rack then cry when told to stop. You ask question aimed at starting a possible flame war
You make mysterious refrences to secreat knowledge then jump all over the place when asked for any proof.
Make you claims with sustance by giveing names, and information not by playing the he said it first game.
This area seems to run well when you post elsewher(meaning not on MT) so why come here and start stuff just to see what you can stir up
You have been asked in the past to keep the disscussions polite and respectful in the past and failed I had hoped that upon your return to this area you might give some information or have learned from past mistakes . It seems I was wrong
All that being said Lets get this thread back on track or I will ask if it can be locked for lack of new intellegent information

Why me!!!!? Its your rules that expressly forbid us from reopening locked threads as has been done in this case. :tantrum: :2xBird2:

If you want to discuss anything regarding these two threads, try pointing out the rules broken (especially ones regarding individuals not present as I was NOT allowed here). :tantrum: :2xbird:

have the author post those PMs he says exist and show us where I ever confirmed that I practices his 3 little games. Since the owner here decided not to post and discuss my reply :tantrum: :sadsong:

The Clown. :fart: PE!

Mod. Note.
Please, keep the conversation polite and respectful.

-mt moderator-

Mod. Note.
Please, keep the conversation polite and respectful.
-mt moderator-
ZANSHIN.

ZANSHIN. i don't know what that means.:idunno:

peace

Zanshin - A state of mind which is cultivated by the martial artist of complete awareness and alertness, anticipation of success in combat.

Zanshin - A state of mind which is cultivated by the martial artist of complete awareness and alertness, anticipation of success in combat. so in the words of ross gellar... "unagi!" hee hee! :rofl:
peace