When taking on students...

[Firona]

As a master of a martial art I have come to a point where I want to take on students. The question I want to ask is: Is it better for a student to have some martial arts background or none at all? I have two students at the present time, one of them is a blue belt in Tae Kwan Do (feel free to slap me if that is misspelled) and the other is a fourth cu (cue?) from Aikido. Both of them are doing quite well but I was wondering if the situation changes for someone who has never done martial arts before. Another question was how do you deal with the other martial arts teachings getting in the way of your own? I was hoping to get some speculation or some experienced answers on these topic so this seemed like the place to find it. Thanks peeps.

[Ceicei]

What style are you teaching? Regardless of whether they are experienced previously with other martial arts or not, they still need to learn your style's basics before going into the more complex moves. The students need to understand that in learning your style, they will need to "empty their cup" first and be willing to learn. That said, they will, of course, bring their knowledge of other styles with them and that will be evident. Different styles have different ways of doing stances, footwork, and handwork. For them to learn, they need to start from the beginning. Once they gain more experience with your style, they will be able to meld their two styles together to make it work for them.

- Ceicei

[TigerWoman]

I would agree with Ceicei about emptying their cup...they have to start at your beginning. My daughter after 9 years of TKD was learning Kung Fu and had to do just that, she realized. She noticed the stances were much deeper although we were taught and were used to fairly low stances in our school, it still wasn't the same. So, if they want to learn a new style, they really have to start at the beginning. I have been thinking the same thing, willing to start at the beginning. But not too much to pick from around here.
Karate or Taekwondo mostly. What is your style? TW

[Firona]

Sorry I didn't specify before what style I use. I have been practicing martial arts for about ten years now and I have developed a style called Maelstrom. It's a unity of opposites based martial art that teaches principals based on the bodies energy (Ki) and the different states of the mind. I will be publishing a book on it in a few years if I can get enough students to make it...noteable hehe.

[TigerWoman]

Firona, I had to look, after you stated you were in martial arts for ten years. Your birth date shows you are 17. I would be careful about saying you are a master unless you have the credentials to prove it. In TKD that wouldn't be until age 25 at least and that is starting at age 5 or 6. Even then, it would be difficult to acquire adults and even parents who would be looking for experience in teaching their little ones. I hope I don't sound harsh but I wouldn't consider someone so young a master of anything at this stage in their life. We already have a thread about this in "Taekwondo Years Rank". If you have students already, you are doing well however. I hope you continue to study yourself though...best wishes, TW

[Ceicei]

Would you please explain more about Maelstrom? From what you said, it seems to be more of a philosophy, or does it also emphasize some certain physical motions?

- Ceicei

[Firona]

In answer to whether or not I am a master: I know it sounds little pompous and really seems as though I am one of those 'invincible' teenagers, the truth is I am a highly skilled martial artist. My father and uncles all studied martial arts so I was practicing from a young age in many different styles (Taekwando, Judo, Karate, and a little Jiu Jitsu) So far I am undefeated in any formal match including three fights with instructors (a first dan of karate and two third dan in aikido) So I hope it doesn't sound like i'm bragging, or lying for that matter, but I am qualified. Believe me, don't believe me, it doesn't really matter. As for Maelstrom, the idea is as thus: an idea. Mostly I find that a martial art is built around the basis of the mind and principles rather than moves. I always tell people who ask about it "You can have the sharpest blade but it will do no good until you know how to use it," Essentially when learning Maelstrom I teach about using energy and understanding movements on top of improving reaction time and such initially. Once a student has learned the principals I move them into actual moves which are in four categories. Earth: which teaches about grappling and taking blows Air: Quick movement and avoiding hits Fire: Devestating attacks and chaotic movements and Water: disabling and peaceful movement. This can all be taken more in depth, talking about how earth and water are defensive and air and fire are offensive but I will spare you from my ramblings. So in answer to your question (I guess my ramblings got you anyway) Maelstrom has a strong philosophical edge which I emphasize because that is all that really makes it different. I hope that helped to clear things up.

[hedgehogey]

Well, since you're so skilled, when exactly are we going to see your "maelstrom" in a no holds barred tournament?

Also: You claim knowledge of TKD, judo, jiujitsu and karate. Where and when did you learn these styles?

[Firona]

Well that's why I started this thread in the first place. I have just started teaching it to other people and I am still figuring out the basics of working with students.

[jfarnsworth]

As a master of a martial art I have come to a point where I want to take on students.
OK, I give. That answer comes from the other thread you started somewhere else.

The question I want to ask is: Is it better for a student to have some martial arts background or none at all?
It shouldn't matter either way. If they have no skills then an instructor should be able to teach them correctly from day one. If they already have skills a skilled instructor will have to take a little more time to corrrect errors in which the new M.A. may have.

I have two students at the present time, one of them is a blue belt in Tae Kwan Do (feel free to slap me if that is misspelled) and the other is a fourth cu (cue?) from Aikido.
What art are you teaching? Also, it's Kyu.

Both of them are doing quite well but I was wondering if the situation changes for someone who has never done martial arts before.
Read first post.

Another question was how do you deal with the other martial arts teachings getting in the way of your own? I was hoping to get some speculation or some experienced answers on these topic so this seemed like the place to find it.
Teaching is training. To teach is to learn and understand the material better. If you think that is getting in the way of your own training then maybe you should teach for 1 year and practice on your own. Re-evaluate yourself 1 year later and see if you gained any insight into the M.A. in which you study/teach.

Thanks peeps
Hopefully you found this post insightful. :asian:

[Rob Broad]

Firona

I am sorry but nobody is a master in 10 yrs as you stated that is about as long as you have trained. Regardless of whether you have beat a 1st Dan and karate and some 2nd Dans in Aikido, that does not constitute that you are a master. Most styles have a significant point where the title master is put upon on the istructor in most styles of karate it is at 5th Dan in TKD it is at 4th Dan. If you follow North America's accelerated times for advanced belts it is still impossible for you to be considered a master. Most styles have a period of 2 yrs from 1st Dan to 2nd Dan, then 3 yrs from 2nd Dan to 3rd dan, 4 yrs from 3rd Dan to 4th Dan that is 9yrs after 1st Dan then there is another 5 yrs from 4th dan to 5th Dan that puts it up to 13 yrs already. Unless you were born in a Gi and had a belt for an umbilical cord don't call yourself a master.

There are many threads on this forum about peole starting thier own stykes I woudl suggest you spend some time in some formalized martial arts schools and get some life experience before trying to create your own style.

[Firona]

eck why does this keep coming up? The point of the thread was not to say, "Look at me I am the young masta!" it was to get some insight on teaching. I know that I am young and 'inexperienced' but you have to trust that I am not your average teenager. In any case, when posting let's not say that I have no life experience and let's not say that I haven't got the experience let us just assume that perhaps, in the future even, I will be taking on students and want to know about teaching.

[Rob Broad]

To get the experience to be a good teacher, go to a repuatbel school and learn how to teach. Then you will know the advantages and disadvantages of working with peopel who have experience in other arts.

[Han-Mi]

Well, I had a long post but AOL screwed up so ill just have to give you the cliff notes.

I am 20, I have 13 years experience in traditional TKD and suplemental training in many of the other hard styles. I was a first dan when I was 15 and my second when I was 17. I did no understand my real potential until I was at least 18 and I did not understand the significance of what I knew. I can only assume that you are a normal teen and do not have the mental capacity to know what the MA's truly are about. I understand that age is not everything but, it is a factor. I only get down on you to discourage your use of the word master when refering to yourself. You will not be taken serioulsy until you give that up. It doesn't matter who you beat, it is possible that their trainging was of poor quality and attained rank because they paid for it. Trust me, you will be better off if you never call yourself a master.

Assuming you are a prodigy among prodigies, do not overload your students, only explain what they will be able to comprehend, you can always elaborate later. It will not be easy to attain new students with your limited experience and not having a style or lineage that can be researched but, they will come if you provide a good service. Do not be impatient and try to figure out other things to equate your teachings to, give your students reference points that they are familiar with. Try having an instructor, that you respect, watch you teach and give you suggestions.

A couple of questions:
Do you have any formal training from instructors other than your family?

If so: who, what, where, when, how long?

If not: Why not? your family had to learn it like that.


It sounds to me like you do not have proper trainging, or you would probably be more modest and would not be teaching other students when you still have so much to learn.

Yes, that's the cliff notes, can you imagine what I wrote the first time?

It just happened again... I HATE AOL!!!!!

ME--> :whip:<--AOL

[Han-Mi]

Oh ya... you style sounds like a compilation album from Kung fu. Where did you get your idea to create this style?

[John Bishop]

"Maelstrom" appears to be a video game, not a martial art.

From Google:

Maelstrom 3.0

You pilot your ship through the dreaded "Maelstrom" asteroid belt -- suddenly your best friend thrusts towards you and fires, directly at your cockpit. You raise your shields just in time, and the battle is joined.
The deadliest stretch of space known to mankind has just gotten deadlier. Everywhere massive asteroids jostle for a chance to crush your ship, and deadly shinobi fighter patrols pursue you across the asteroid belt. But the deadliest of them all is your sister ship, assigned to you on patrol. The pilot, trained by your own Navy, battle hardened by months in the Maelstrom, is equipped with a twin of your own ship and intimate knowledge of your tactics.
The lovely Stratocaster R&R facility never sounded so good, but as you fire full thrusters to dodge the latest barrage you begin to think you'll never get home...

[DeLamar.J]

As a master of a martial art I have come to a point where I want to take on students. The question I want to ask is: Is it better for a student to have some martial arts background or none at all? I have two students at the present time, one of them is a blue belt in Tae Kwan Do (feel free to slap me if that is misspelled) and the other is a fourth cu (cue?) from Aikido. Both of them are doing quite well but I was wondering if the situation changes for someone who has never done martial arts before. Another question was how do you deal with the other martial arts teachings getting in the way of your own? I was hoping to get some speculation or some experienced answers on these topic so this seemed like the place to find it. Thanks peeps.
You being master of a martial art, I have nothing of value to say to you that you dont already know. :bow:

[Robert Carver]

You wouldn't by chance be related to a former member that went by the username "Lonewolf" would you? He had the same arrogant attitude and even named his style of Jujutsu after a Japanese anime series.

You have a LOT to learn. After 32 years of training, I would never presume to refer to myself as a "Master" of anything. Heck, I have an obi that is older than you are.

Grow up and go get some real training. :rolleyes:

[Firona]

We are getting down to word usage now people. My intention is not come off arrogant, as I have said in another post, and my intention was not to advertise my theories on the martial arts, as said in another post. Yes, using the word 'master' was a mistake but at the time it was easier than typing 'someone who has just come to the point of knowing a good deal about a martial art and wanting to share knowledge with other people' I appologize to anyone I have offended in these past posts. One point I would like to bring foreward is, you have no right to assumed I have 'a lot to learn' nor to you have any right to be insulting me in private messages. Those of you who message me telling me you have so much more experience and that I should go and join a 'true' martial art school, well I am not sure if you have noticed but you are the arrogant ones. I am sorry I had to have a little tantrum in here but it should be known that I am not the antogonist here, I am just asking a simple question.

[Brother John]

As a master of a martial art I have come to a point where I want to take on students.

Firona-Please understand, I know where you are coming from. I'm now entering my 25th year of training in the martial arts...and like you...in more than one system. BUT: having been around the block as you have, you Must understand that we martial artists REALLLLLLY take the term MASTER seriously. Some of us have known or trained with those who've earned the title. Virtually NO ONE who earned it, uses it in refering to themselves. That's probably why you've gotten the reaction that you have.

Being 'able' and being 'knowledgable' is a part of the equation for being a martial arts expert...but mastership is WAY beyond that! Way. It takes time and a full well rounded experience of every facet of your art/system. If you are just now wanting to get into instructing...then there's an aspect of your art that you don't yet know...let alone understand or have experience in; and I challenge you that IT is the most challenging facet of any art. You really learn your style all over again. Because not only do you have to impart your knowledge, but you will have to put it in such a way that those who aren't as much of a prodigy as you will gain and grow from it. And this process is repeated over and over in many different ways.

I encourage you to continue in your line of thinking. STUDY the art of instructing DEEPLY. Continue to find new ways to forge your different disciplines into a unified whole... BUT HOLD OFF on either:
1. Claiming you have "created" a new art.
2. Claiming you are a 'master' of anything besides your own opinion.

Trust me!

Your Brother
John

[Robert Carver]

I am sorry I had to have a little tantrum <<snip>>

That's OK, I would expect a tantrum from an immature 17 year old who after 10 years of NO formal martial arts training actually thinks they know enough to start teaching a martial art that they thought up while playing a video game. After 10 years of FORMAL training in a real martial arts curriculum, most students are just about at the point where they have a clue. But note, I used the word "student" for a reason. In the real (and non-video game or anime inspired) world of martial arts, after ten years, you have barely passed the point where you are considered a serious advanced student.

I don't know about what you may have gotten from any private messages, but I can only imagine. I don't have to "think" you still have a lot to learn, your own words in this forum has proven that. Someday, maybe, you will understand that no matter your level of experience in the martial arts (or life), you will always have a LOT to learn.

[Firona]

You say immature but then do you look back over your post? All you are doing is puting someone down, someone who I might add has done nothing in the way of personally insulting you, and without leaving with any form of advice. I say now, I have put my hands up and taken two steps back. Insult me if you will, I really don't care anymore. I just want to clear a few things up before the moderators close this thread (which they should) Someone has brought to light where most of this controversty stems. My 'students' aren't learning maelstrom, that is something I do myself to see if it works. I don't intend to teach them anything more than basic martial arts and self defence until, maybe, years from now I perfect a system. Thanks to all the people who are actually HELPING and for the rest of you thanks for your opinions.

[Han-Mi]

Carver, your just being mean... he's not gonna change his mind because of what we say. He will figure it out one day. Anyway, Firona, you never answered my questions. Do you have any formal training? if so: who what where when
If not: why not, Your family did, it was good enough for them, why not you?

[grappling_mandala]

Before taking on students, make sure you understand the core principles of other arts. Students are students, and what every bit of truth sticks to the core. This isn't a justification to 'test yourself,' this is a 'reinforcement of martial principles.' Every martial art has as it's vehical of application, the human body. Your art sounds "adaptable", now is the time to use that adaptability to learn the connective threads of truth that connect all the arts together.

Here is what I would do if I was you:

Find a good boxing gym. Don't go in to seek a challenge, just ask if you can get 'introduced' to boxing for a week to see if it's for you. Don't be cocky, just act like your a fast learner. If there seems like there are people there with good footwork and hands, on your last class ask if you can spar light to see what it feels like. Trust me, if your good, it won't be 'light' for long, but that way you'll make sure your theories apply to someone throwing 5 different punches in combinations. If you dance with them right away, cool. If not hang around and learn. It's a solid art to test any individual.

Find a good grappling club. Submission Grabbling, Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, College Judo club if nothing more, or even College Wrestling! Some guys who will want to bring you into a completely different range of combat that is very close and is an inverted reality to a lot of standup fighters. Find the baddest grappler you can, and see how your theories apply. It's very important that any theory you teach people is based on concepts applied in these environments. Why these environments and not the pre-determined or choreographed movements of other arts? Because these are ALIVE training environments. ALIVENESS is the alternative to repetition of forms. Aliveness teaches response within the alarm state.

Anyways, just my .03 cents

Dave in Oregon

[DeLamar.J]

You say immature but then do you look back over your post? All you are doing is puting someone down, someone who I might add has done nothing in the way of personally insulting you, and without leaving with any form of advice. I say now, I have put my hands up and taken two steps back. Insult me if you will, I really don't care anymore. I just want to clear a few things up before the moderators close this thread (which they should) Someone has brought to light where most of this controversty stems. My 'students' aren't learning maelstrom, that is something I do myself to see if it works. I don't intend to teach them anything more than basic martial arts and self defence until, maybe, years from now I perfect a system. Thanks to all the people who are actually HELPING and for the rest of you thanks for your opinions.

Just leave. :2xBird2:

[WLMantisKid]

Everyone always has a lot to learn... especially if you believe you know everything.

[Rob Broad]

We are getting down to word usage now people.

Word usage is the ability to communicate, and if you cannot communicate eloquently you van not teach properly or effectively.



One point I would like to bring foreward is, you have no right to assumed I have 'a lot to learn' .

My father used to keep a littel sign on the fridge that reminds me of your statement. "Teenagers move out of the house now while you still know everything. Don't wait til you are older and find out how much you really need to know."



I am sorry I had to have a little tantrum in here but it should be known that I am not the antogonist here, I am just asking a simple question.

The point is you should no be teaching with out the proper training, someone could easily get hurt and you will be paying for it for the rest of yor life.

[Robert Carver]

Carver, your just being mean...

Yep, that's me. Mr. Meanie. :ultracool

Firona, my apologies for being so harsh. However, everyone prior to my appearance in this thread has tried hard to set you straight, and you have not listened. One of the reasons why everyone has harped on the "formal" training bit is very simple. Part of training and learning a martial art in a formal dojo atmosphere is learning how to teach. Learning a martial art is more than just learning to kick, punch and twist joints. It is about learning the fine details of your art to the degree that you can communicate it to others. As a junior black belt (or even a brown belt) you will begin instructing junior students as part of your day to day training. Under the guidance of your instructor, you learn the fine points of communicating your art to another student. An instructor will watch very carefully how a junior will teach others, make adjustments, give advice, etc. That is what it is like to be in a formal dojo training environment, and you cannot get that with informal training in your backyard.

[rmcrobertson]

Unless this is another troll, what a beautiful example of what's wrong with contemporary martial arts.

As was noted, studied 10 whole years and is, "a master?" Never taught students before, and is, "a master?" Claims not to be saying anything arrogant, but the very first sentence asserts mastery, and is, "a master?" Not a chance in hell.

Second issue: the claim to have invented a whole new thing, with less time in the arts than I have--yet the, "new thing," looks exactly like video game narratives, or cheezy movies about Shaolin, or 19 other styles. Won't explain what he's talking about, deflects questions by claiming that the questioner is being mean. Won't give details of what he plans to teach; deflects questions with cliches.

Third issue: has no idea what a teacher's responsibilities are; is wrapped up with what he needs and what he wants and what he's doing. It's dangerous to take classes from guys like this. They're the ones who hurt students because they're wrapped up in their own egos, or take sexual advantage, or get off on having students bring them bowls of tea and rice, or teach phony arts that get students hurt.

Fourth off--enthusiasm and even arrogance in young students is, in its way, a great thing. They should work it off at tournaments, where it can be a great thing to see. They should also be around the older and more-cynical, who can regularly kick their young asses, so that they do not succumb to delusions of adequacy. It's especially a problem in the contemporary arts, which have clipped out so much of the tradition, ceremony, and structures that protect everybody.

It's probably just a troll. If not, the best thing to do with this stuff is to take it as a mirror of our own foibles and failures.

[Bob Hubbard]

In my opinion, no one without decades of real experience is qualified to 'create a style/art/system'.

I have to agree, if you want to teach, aprentice yourself at a legit school and learn. Every school I've been at, from McDojo to Hardcore has a system that builds instructors. Winning a few tournys doesn't qualify someone to invent their own 'thing'.

Too many frauds, fakers and wannabes out there....who teach pure crap and get people hurt or worse.

Tourny 'karate' is quite different from real combat/self defense arts...it takes years to figure out the differences and be able to switch...like 30+.

Anyone can take a few ideas, techniques or moves and claim 'new'. Its quite the leap to being the next Ed Parker, Remy Presas or Bruce Lee. (All of whom had extensive traditional experience)

[Scout_379]

Master was the wrong word dude. Being a "Master" means that you have learned all that you possibly can, and really have mastered the art. To quote my sensei: "you can never be a master until you have died, and cannot learn anymore," you are always learning. Just because you have learned so much from your current family senseis and have umm...equaled them, doesn't mean that you should start a new art.

Instead of tryin to create a new style like so many backyard, 1st dan, self-proclaimed-masters; just continue with your own style, but under a different sensei. Advance your knowledge in one already proven style, where you already have a solid base, instead of creating something new and unproven.


One point I would like to bring foreward is, you have no right to assumed I have 'a lot to learn' The truth is, you do have a lot to learn. Im the same age as you, and have been training for 8yrs. But I kow that I have a great deal of growing to do in the martial arts, and in life. I don't think you should start teaching untill you really undertand what you are still learning yourself. The fact that you even asked what to teach your new students, and the way that you have acheived such high ranks in several arts in just 10 years makes me question your training.

My rule when it come to choosing my teachers: Never trust anything from a guy who insists on being called "master"

[kenpo tiger]

Firona,

I originally posted this under the sparring with girls thread (you really shouldn't refer to us as girls *sighs* -- please see below.) I think it speaks more to this topic.

You seem to be enthusiastic about martial arts, wanting to share your love of them with others, and asking lots of questions, as you should. Most of us joined this forum to read what others have to say, and since there are many many people - male and female alike - who belong to this forum who have vast amounts of experience in many arts, it's always a learning experience for me. As a budding writer you must find the different personalities interesting. Also as a budding martial artist.

Listen carefully to what you are being told in response to your posts. Although chronologically I am one of the elders in the group, in "martial age" I am still in martial arts preschool with my almost eight years of training. Also, please remember that you don't know who you are speaking to most of the time because the beauty of the internet is anonymity. I know there are some very very high-ranking kenpo stylists who are members of this forum - some who are second generation, were promoted by GrandMaster Parker himself, and who had a hand in writing the Infinite Insights series. No, kenpo isn't your art, but this is simply an example of how much experience there is to be found AND LEARNED FROM on this site.

There are threads which speak to masters and instructors who are skilled and deserve respect for that skill but have not and will never be given respect because they don't deserve it as people.

Please read what's been posted before. It's an opportunity to broaden yourself as a martial artist and a person.

Good luck in your future endeavors, Firona. :asian: KT

[Firona]

Master was the wrong word dude.You ainte just whistlin dixie =P Even after appologizing for incorrect word usage I keep getting people jumping down my throat for this. The only thing I can say at this point is, read my former posts and understand that I am coming off wrong because I am trying to be consice in making one point and am ending up puting out another group of people because in doing so I have said something else that just isn't floating. SO this is my final post trying to put your fears to rest people. I know a bunch of others are going to skim over this and then just post what a billion others have already said and I have already tried to explain, I just hope some people take the time to read this.
First: I am not teaching a martial art based on learning advanced skills or moves, it is entirely philosophical at this point and you don't need proper footwork to talk philosophy.
Second: I am not calling myself a master, nor am I saying I know anything about anything anymore. the 'lot to learn' comment was to disuade people from telling me to leave the forums because I am incompetent.
Third: I am taking all of your advice to heart I just haven't had time to say anything about it because I have to defend myself at every turn. Thank you everyone for setting me straight in my views, I didn't mean to come in here and post the thread saying I was going to go out there and teach the world 'my new martial art' because I am the grand 'master' I just haven't been paying attention while I am typing, ugh.

[Flatlander]

SO this is my final post trying to put your fears to rest people. <snip> I didn't mean to come in here and post the thread saying I was going to go out there and teach the world 'my new martial art' because I am the grand 'master' I just haven't been paying attention while I am typing, ugh.
Hopefully, You will choose to stay on as a member of this board. There is a real wealth of knowledge here for everyone to share and experience.

I would just like to point out to you that numerous times, people have come onto the board here and proclaimed themselves as the best thing since sliced bread. It happens, and people get yantsy and freak out at them. If you are an experienced martial artist, you will understand that ego is a rampant problem out there in the real martial arts world, and not just online. If you are a serious and dedicated Martial Arts fanatic retard weirdo like me, you will choose to stay and drink from this overflowing cup of knowledge that the great visionary Kaith Rustaz has facilitated here. (Nice hair today, Kaith!)

Perhaps my opinion doesn't matter to you, and that's ok. It shouldn't. We've never met. But I think if you took a poll of all the people who regularly post here, they would ALL tell you that they have learned something here. Isn't that the ultimate goal of any student?

Good luck to you in whatever you choose.

[Rob Broad]

It is hard to have several people tell you something when you are trying to defend your principles. I applaud you for having the courage to stick around and defend your posts.

One of the big issues everyone has had is that you have NOT told anyone anything about your training. Who taught what to you for how long, what ranks have you achieved etc... What ranks are your relatives who taught you

There are a lot of very knowledgable people on this site, listen to them and learn from them, that is one of the biggest parts of being a good instructor. An instructor is a student first and foremost, we often learn from things we see our students do, but we also actively go out and search for more knowledge from reputable instructors.

What are the ages of the peope that you are training?

Again it is hard to defend oneself when you really haven't lived yet. I remember being 17 and thinking about fame and glory and how great it would be a great instructor. When you turn 30 you will look back and laugh at this episode, one o fthe things tat helps make a good instructor is seasoning, and that only comes with time. Most of the people have said to go to a reputable school to get some formal training, I would say "Do It!" and stick around til you are atleast a 3rd Black to get a solid base.

[Rob Broad]

Hopefully, You will choose to stay on as a member of this board. There is a real wealth of knowledge here for everyone to share and experience.

I would just like to point out to you that numerous times, people have come onto the board here and proclaimed themselves as the best thing since sliced bread. It happens, and people get yantsy and freak out at them. If you are an experienced martial artist, you will understand that ego is a rampant problem out there in the real martial arts world, and not just online. If you are a serious and dedicated Martial Arts fanatic retard weirdo like me, you will choose to stay and drink from this overflowing cup of knowledge that the great visionary Kaith Rustaz has facilitated here. (Nice hair today, Kaith!)

Perhaps my opinion doesn't matter to you, and that's ok. It shouldn't. We've never met. But I think if you took a poll of all the people who regularly post here, they would ALL tell you that they have learned something here. Isn't that the ultimate goal of any student?

Good luck to you in whatever you choose.

That is a great idea, maybe one of the supporting members could start a poll to show what the masses think.

[Firona]

One of the big issues everyone has had is that you have NOT told anyone anything about your training. Who taught what to you for how long, what ranks have you achieved etc... What ranks are your relatives who taught youYeah it seems like a good idea to talk about this hehe. As far as my father, he is a 1st BB in TKD. Two of my uncles i have no idea about, I would have to ask them, the important uncle is an instructor of Judo in MI. I learned a lot from him but he isn't around often, as he lives in another state. I took TKD for a year in which I was quickly promoted to BB (an injustice because I don't know crap in TKD I realize) and outside of that I have been going to various schools around here and have realized that none of them are any good. So, essentially I train on my own, learing what I can from people I know and from books and videos etc. I train physically for 5 hours every other day (not recently because my heavy bag finally fell apart. please a moment of silence for my heavy bag.) and then the psychological aspect I do far too much simply because I am an insomniac so I have a lot of free time at night. So there you have it, my inexperience =D one last thing to add in, sliced bread really wasn't all that great to begin with hehe

[Rob Broad]

Firona

PM me with your personal email address and I will send you a teaching aid that might help you out.

[TigerWoman]

So, now we are getting somewhere....

1) you are now owning up to what you know
2) education from a 1st dan even if he is your father is not much
3) you are enthusiastic and dedicated to martial arts
4) there has got to be a school around there that is somewhat beneficial
5) there is a lot of helpful people on this board - they helped and supported me immensely - they will you too if you are honest with them
6) what martial art would you like to investigate-check out this board...
7) ideas anyone for this young man? What's in Iowa?

???? TW

[Cryozombie]

7) ideas anyone for this young man? What's in Iowa?

???? TW

Corn.

Maybe he could study Corn-Fu.

Seriously, tho... I looked to see if the Bujinkan has any schools there for him, but none were listed in Iowa at all.

[Firona]

Corn.

Maybe he could study Corn-Fu.

Seriously, tho... I looked to see if the Bujinkan has any schools there for him, but none were listed in Iowa at all.you mock the power of corn, most people don't understand just how dangerous a field of that yellow grain can be! I think I remember reading somewhere that most of the world actually considers Iowa as the exact 'middle of nowhere' =( it's unfortunate.

[tshadowchaser]

Firona you have given you credentials and admit that they are still lacking in some areas. That is a good sign.
You want to pass on knowledge both physical and mental. That’s good.
The learning never stops. I think the majority of those who have studied 20, 30, 40 or more years will tell you that they still seek knowledge in the arts.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to someday create your own system, however I believe that years more training in at least one or perhaps a couple of styles would be beneficial to you in gaining a larger perspective of what the martial arts is about.
Ask question here and elsewhere. Read what is discussed in many of the threads here and try to understand not only what is being said but why.
Above all good luck in your journey

[rmcrobertson]

Sigh.

"As a master of a martial art I have come to a point where I want to take on students." This is your first sentence, yes?

Then there's this: "I am not calling myself a master, nor am I saying I know anything about anything anymore."

Nor have you stopped: "SO this is my final post trying to put your fears to rest people." We can probably handle our fears, but thanks anyway.

And then there's: "I am not teaching a martial art based on learning advanced skills or moves, it is entirely philosophical at this point and you don't need proper footwork to talk philosophy." Yes, you do. Martial arts--like writing--involve practice as much as they involve pure ideas. Actually, there are no such things as pure ideas--and at 17, aren't you a little young to armchair martial artist?

I hope I'm not being excesssively unkind, but you should not be teaching. Or more accurately, you should be teaching little kids. You'd learn a lot, including some respect for the arts, for the nature of teaching, and for students.

Like other posters, I also recommend you find a good teacher for yourself.

Of course, this is all assuming you're not just a troll. If that's true, I recommend bullshido.com.

[Nightingale]

These are all the schools I know of in Iowa:

School Name: Buena Vista University Kenpo Karate Club
Address: Buena Vista University
610 W. 4th St.
Storm Lake, IA 50588
Phone: Various
Head Instructor / Rank: Mark Reeder, 3rd Degree Brown Belt
through Clint Hughes
Style: Ed Parker's American Kenpo
Associations: IKKA


School Name: Universal Kenpo Karate Dojos / The KenpoNet
Address: 1601 K Ave NE
Cedar Rapids, IA 52402
Phone: 319-721-2347
Head Instructor / Rank: Joshua Meredith, 1st Degree Black (KenpoNet Administrator)
Style: Ed Parker's American Kenpo
Associations: IKKA
Description: We currently offer full access to the KenpoNet, a UKKD sponsored site. We also offer a discussion forum, an archive, and a Kenpo mall. All can be found on the KenpoNet. As far as Kenpo classes go, currently private lessons are offered.
Email Address: josh@kenponet.com


School Name: Professor Chow's Kara-Ho Kempo Karate
Address: Davenport, IA
Head Instructor / Rank: Dave Carruthers
Style: Kara-Ho Kempo

School Name: Tiger & Dragon Kenpo Karate
Address: 1029 Johnson St.
Des Moines, IA 50315
Phone: 515-953-6932
Head Instructor / Rank: Dave Mondo, 1st Deg. Black Belt
Style: Ed Parker's American Kenpo
Associations: IKKA
Description: Martial artists of all styles and ranks have an open invitation to cross train in American Kenpo. Feel free to contact us at any time. All students receive private instruction.

School Name: Barongan Martial Arts
Address: 5925 SW 9th St.
Des Moines, IA 50315
Phone: 515-285-0067
Head Instructor / Rank: Angelito "Bobby" Barongan, 9th Deg. Black Belt
Style: Chinese Kempo
Associations: Unified Kempo Karate Systems
Description: A school dedicated to teaching and carrying on the tradition of Chinese Kempo. Instruction includes weapon training, empty hand training, and grappling.

[Firona]

Thanks for the info on schools in IA, unfortunately all of those are a 2 hour or more drive from where I live =(. And as for the post above that one, all those quotes are taken out of context. Since I can't edit my previous posts I have to negate what I said by saying other things.

[TigerWoman]

I also looked up schools in Fairfield. I'm not sure which ones you know Firona but it may be worthwhile to check out/talk to the instructors again.

The ones I found on the web are:
Fairfield Shotokan Karate Club
Wado Ryu Karate Do Ctr.
Japan Int'l Karate Do Center
Belt Academy -not sure of this one, who would name themselves a belt academy-sounds more like a belt mill but who knows?

Firona, you can probably find these listed in your phone book. Watch classes and talk to the instructor and students. Since you are 17 though, and may be in another town to go to college in a year or two, you will have more possibilities. Keep seeking. TW

[Firona]

wow I was completely unaware there were any karate classes in fairfield. I remember someone telling me that the karate schools in this town had all moved to ottumwa. Interesting I will definately take a look into that, thanks a bunch.

[Rob Broad]

There is a very good instructor located only 55 miles from you in Unionville.

[Sarah]

I have an Instructor who has been training in many arts for more than 30 years, when people find out he knows martial arts and ask him about it, his response is he knows a little bit! Now that is class.

I think the best way to become a good teacher is to be a humble student. Don’t forget that even if you are an amazing martial artist you still need people skill to be able to pass on your knowledge.

Good luck, and let us know when your book is out, should be an interesting read I am always open to new ideas and concepts.

[Firona]

There is a very good instructor located only 55 miles from you in Unionville.There is a town called unionville? ...nevermind hehe

[rmcrobertson]

Dear Firona:

Nope, I didn't take anything out of context. I understood exactly what you meant, including the aspect of what you meant of which you are unaware. And obnoxious as such a statement is, let me assure you that I know far, far more about what a context is. Sorry.

I am glad to see that you seem to be taking other folks' advice about finding a teacher to heart. They're quite right.

To negate another post, simply apologize. Or are you unfamiliar with, "Bartholemew and the Oobleck?"

It's simple: say ya screwed up, and it goes away. Believe me, I know far more than you do about the necessity of apologies.

[TigerWoman]

That is so true about apologies. They are gladly received and makes things so much better! TW

[Han-Mi]

leave the poor kid alone Robertson, I think he actually did say he screwed up in an earlier post. And he's not so bad now that he realizes how little he knows. He's on his way.:asian:

[Brother John]

leave the poor kid alone Robertson, He's on his way.:asian:

Agreed!

here.here...



Your Bro.
John

[MichiganTKD]

1. A 17 year old kid cannot, under any circumstances be considered a "Master of Martial Arts". My previous posts defended this quite clearly I believe.

2. A 17 year old kid teaching his own style of martial arts called Maelstrom? Please excuse me while I let my ribs rest a minute. All that laughing hurts after a while.

I get the impression that Firona has pieced together, from some personal instruction, TV, books, and magazines, a patchwork of various ideas and called it Maelstrom. Sounds like something a 17 year old kid might do.

Oh yeah. Even in legitimate styles, 10 years of solid practice would rank you as an advanced junior. Master is not even part of the equation.

I do credit you for having dreams though. Everyone must start someplace.

[tshadowchaser]

Just a friendly reminder keep the posts Friendly please. The young man has stated he made some mistakes in how and what he posted the first time. He is, or seems to be, listening to advice.
I'll ask him , what type of martial art are you interested in learning and someday teaching?

[ppko]

Here is a school in Iowa

Phil Dickey
3906 Franklin Ave.
Des Moines, IA 50310
515 279-8643
philip.dickey@dmps.k12.ia.us

I will get you a list of seminars in your area like you requested, I know that we will be having a Kiai Jitsu seminar near Cincinnati OH in august I don't know if that is to far away for you.

PPKO :EG: : :mad: :waah:

[Brother John]

Just a friendly reminder keep the posts Friendly please. The young man has stated he made some mistakes in how and what he posted the first time. He is, or seems to be, listening to advice.
I'll ask him , what type of martial art are you interested in learning and someday teaching?

Amen!!!
Enthusiasm shouldn't be curbed, it should be shaped, influenced and guided...and encouraged.
Over exuberance leading to self inflation isn't a crime. It's a mistake. Mistakes are learning tools.

Firona: please continue to share in your martial arts ideas and whatnot... PERHAPS your seniors here can do more than just brow-beat you for things you've already apologized for...maybe they can even help give you some guidance.
Be humble and receptive and there are many who would like to build you up, not tear you down.

imagine that!

Your Brother
John

[ppko]

If anyone else out there knows of any good schools in Iowa you should post them. Rather than ragging on him we should try to help him out.

Best Regards
PPKO :EG: :mad: :waah:

[DeLamar.J]

Just leave. :2xBird2:
I was told by a few people that was un called for. And it was. even though it made me a little upset you calling your self a master, I should have just left it at

(You being master of a martial art, I have nothing of value to say to you that you dont already know. :bow: )


instead of taking it a step further, sorry everyone. Being a martial artist I should refrain from that type of behaviour and stick with sarcasim only when I feel the need to lash out, but I guess I shouldnt lash out either, but hey no body is perfect, lesson learned.
:asian:

[hedgehogey]

Firona:

Here are some schools that teach actual, usable fighting skills. The instructors at these schools have all proven their effectiveness through full contact fighting in front of hundreds or thousands of people. You will learn skills you can REALLY use through "alive" training with a resisting opponent and will get a realistic idea of your abilities with no "dead patterns".

ottumwa:
http://www.mma.tv/schools/index.cfm?ac=SchoolDetail&CID=575

fairfield:
http://www.mma.tv/schools/index.cfm?ac=SchoolDetail&CID=1445
(this guy has dozens of fights under his belt)

des moines judo:
http://www.dmjudo.com/

[Firona]

Thanks. It turns out, according to the address, I have been in that room a hundred times for various martial arts demonstrations. I didn't actually know they taught anything there. I will definately look into the one in fairfield.

[ppko]

Thanks. It turns out, according to the address, I have been in that room a hundred times for various martial arts demonstrations. I didn't actually know they taught anything there. I will definately look into the one in fairfield.
Just be carefull with the art you choose make sure that you ask plenty of questions, if you are wanting something for sport than what Hedgehogey has put down will be very good for you, but if you are looking for something that will work out on the street than you might want to be cautious with any school that does sports.

PPKO :EG: :mad: :waah:

[Aegis]

And if they're sanding there doing no-touch knock outs or flinging ki around the room, just leave. Don't even bother with the questions.

[Scout_379]

Although I have great confidence in ki and the such, I heartily agree with the above!

ps. srry for my last master comment there