International Budo University.

[arnisador]

There is a degree-granting International Budo University (http://www.budo-u.ac.jp/) (sometimes translated International Martial Arts University) in Chiba, Japan.

There is discussion of an event held at it here (http://www.mugendobudogu.com/html/budo_culture.html).

Another diploma-granting martial arts program is located in Australia (http://www.acnm.edu.au/) (take the Courses link).


Pre-requisite
Black belt level (or equivalent) from a recognised martial arts tradition.

[tshadowchaser]

Back in 1980 a group tried to start a 4 year school in Anaheim, where part of your degree program was completion of one of their martial arts program. The school failed (don't know if it was ever certified) but I thought it was a great idea. Trouble was within ten miles you had Fullerton college(with the best athletic trainner in the nation 4 years running), Cal. State fullerton, Ceritos college, Champman Colledge. I may have forgot one but you see what the School was up against.
I degree program in the arts sounds great but would the instructors(professors?) have to pass and certify so many in order to keep their jobs?
Shadow

[arnisador]

Radford University has it as a possible minor:
http://www.runet.edu/~eshe-web/
(Select "Minors" way down on the left, the scroll down in the right frame and you'll see the link). This is Jerry Beasley (http://www.runet.edu/~eshe-web/Beasley.htm)'s program; see also http://www.aikia.net which includes his Karate College summer camp, which gives course credit.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by arnisador

There is a degree-granting International Budo University (http://www.budo-u.ac.jp/) (sometimes translated International Martial Arts University) in Chiba, Japan.



I have been to this University every year for it's Budo Seminar. A great "piss up" every year.
The University teaches all the new versions of MA (sports stuff) but sadley only host short demos for the "old stuff".
Basically it is a sports science college.

[arnisador]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan


Basically it is a sports science college.

Well, at least it's a legitimate school then--when I hear of a martial arts degree granting program I'm generally inclined to think "scam' at first.

[RyuShiKan]

No it's a legit University that teaches Sports Science..........their Budo is actually a bit lacking really.

[Yari]

I know that the Idrætshøgskole in Oslo, Norway use to have a MA degree. It's not an university, but a highschool.
I've tried looking for a link, but couldn't find it.

I thought of taking the classes, but when I came around to it, I didn't have the degrees to get in.


/Yari

[arnisador]

Originally posted by Yari

I know that the Idrætshøgskole in Oslo, Norway use to have a MA degree. It's not an university, but a highschool.
I've tried looking for a link, but couldn't find it.

I thought of taking the classes, but when I came around to it, I didn't have the degrees to get in.


This is surely an aside, but could you explain a bit about the school system there? Here you don't get a high school degree, only a diploma, and anyone gets in. Colleges give degrees. What would the martial arts degree have been equivalent to--a bachelors? An Italian laurea? A junior college degree?

[Yari]

Originally posted by arnisador



This is surely an aside, but could you explain a bit about the school system there? Here you don't get a high school degree, only a diploma, and anyone gets in. Colleges give degrees. What would the martial arts degree have been equivalent to--a bachelors? An Italian laurea? A junior college degree?

It's hard to say which degree it would be equvialnat to an american school . I looked up in my dicionary before I wrote High school, but it stated that it either was a highschool or College. I choose to write highschool.

This school educates teacher/coaches from your noraml everyday gym. teacher to teachers on high level (prof. sport athlets). When you come out you are allowed to teach/coach. You receive a diploma (i might be wrong on this).

In the MA comuniity it cann't be used directly, but I think it's great because you make sure that the teacher learns about the body and pshycologi. The other part of it is that it makes it easier for politicians to give funds and things to the MA'ist, because they now know he's been through a system and tested to a "defined" standard. To my understanding the curriculum wasn't so much MA, as it's everthing else.

And not everbody can get in. When I applied I had to have 12 years of "normal" school( were 9 was mantadory), before I could apply, and to get in I needed a certain level on my grades. I know now that they have changed the school system a bit in Norway, so I think they go 13 years ( where 10 is mantadory, I think only 70 % sure). You can get extra points for special things, like if you already are an athlet, or have done extra classes in certain areas.

I can not remember the length of this highschool (college).

Hope this gives an idea of it, and answers your questions.

/Yari

[arnisador]

Thanks, that helps!

[Chiduce]

American College of Martial Science confers the BS. MS. and PhD in Martial Arts. The url is http://www.acms.edu/
It is a christian martial arts college which holds the respect of the heavy hitter organizations in the community. Based on the campus of the University Of Indiana. It also has a Martial Sports Science branch, American Master's Council, College of Oriental Medicine, and Christian Sokeship Council. the urls are as follows;
http://www.masterscouncil.org
http://www.indianacollege.org
http://icoss.tripod.com/
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!

[RyuShiKan]

If I am not mistaken this is one of the same bogus Universities exposed by Don Cunningham a while back.

Yep.....now that I look at the websites they are the ones.


There was a big thread on E-Budo about them.

Here:

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12514&highlight=American+College+of+Martial+Science

I even emailed them and asked them how to enroll and grad-jee-ate...............they said just "show us da munny"

Just another Soke-doke dan factory............save your money folks...........unless you want to be a bogus Soke that is.

Great heads up Chiduce!



Originally posted by Chiduce

American College of Martial Science confers the BS. MS. and PhD in Martial Arts. The url is http://www.acms.edu/

(read dan factory.............at least they got the BS part right ;) )



Originally posted by Chiduce

It is a christian martial arts college which holds the respect of the heavy hitter organizations in the community.

And who would that be?

[RyuShiKan]

Another bogus University:

http://www.universitydegree.com/

[Chiduce]

I received an e-mail from Grandmaster George Petrotta head of the International Sung Ja Do Association endorsing the ACMS 2 days ago as an non-transfer credit martial arts university. I spoke to Grandmaster Carpenter personally via phone and he told me that sure you could not transfer into Carolina because the institution was not regionally accredited, yet it would a good choice for those seeking further personal martial arts education. I'am a ISA Member. This letter was from Grandmaster Allen Carpenter whom conducted an investigation through the Indiana State Board Of Education. I guess, to each his/her own.
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Chiduce

I received an e-mail from Grandmaster George Petrotta head of the International Sung Ja Do Association endorsing the ACMS 2 days ago as an non-transfer credit martial arts university.

I think the term "non-transfer credit" pretty much says it all.
Places that can't transfer credit to an authorized University are not able to do so for a reason...................that reason is they are non-accredited....or in simple English.........BOGUS.

Anyone gullible to fall for scams like this get what they deserve. However, I think most people know exactly what they are getting into because after they pay the money they can start flaunting titles like Ph.D., and Grandmaster. :rolleyes:



Originally posted by Chiduce

I spoke to Grandmaster Carpenter personally via phone and he told me that sure you could not transfer into Carolina because the institution was not regionally accredited, yet it would a good choice for those seeking further personal martial arts education. I'am a ISA Member. This letter was from Grandmaster Allen Carpenter whom conducted an investigation through the Indiana State Board Of Education. I guess, to each his/her own.
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!


Chiduce,

You are throwing around these Grandmaster's :rolleyes: names, assoc. names and acronyms like they mean something to somebody. They mean absolutely "0" to me, and quite frankly I question the legitimacy of their titles. But I guess in the west were nobody has the right to question another person's martial arts title you can get away with passing yourselves off as Grandmasters :rolleyes:. You cheapen the martial arts evertime one of these Grandmasters :rolleyes: pops up.
Sorry I can't help but laugh every time someone calls themselves that.
What I find most interesting after living in Asia for almost two decades is that the Grandmasters :rolleyes: in the west that study Asian martial arts seem to be more abundant than their Asian counterparts. Have they surpassed their own teachers?.................I think not.
I know folks here that have trained 5 days a week for over 40 years and are 6th or 7th dan..........nowhere near Grandmaster :rolleyes: or even Soke :rolleyes:.

[Chiduce]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan




Chiduce,

You are throwing around these Grandmaster's :rolleyes: names, assoc. names and acronyms like they mean something to somebody. They mean absolutely "0" to me, and quite frankly I question the legitimacy of their titles. But I guess in the west were nobody has the right to question another person's martial arts title you can get away with passing yourselves off as Grandmasters :rolleyes:. You cheapen the martial arts evertime one of these Grandmasters :rolleyes: pops up.
Sorry I can't help but laugh every time someone calls themselves that.
What I find most interesting after living in Asia for almost two decades is that the Grandmasters :rolleyes: in the west that study Asian martial arts seem to be more abundant than their Asian counterparts. Have they surpassed their own teachers?.................I think not.
I know folks here that have trained 5 days a week for over 40 years and are 6th or 7th dan..........nowhere near Grandmaster :rolleyes: or even Soke :rolleyes:. I guess that you will just have to live in Japan for the rest of your martial art's life then. You would probably die in the west now! Everything is going wrong or even worst, there are americans in the west. Hey, just maybe your esteemed presence here may just change a nation or the allied nation's martial conscious. Frankly though; I doubt it! I forgot,"Rome was not changed in a day".
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Chiduce

I guess that you will just have to live in Japan for the rest of your martial art's life then. You would probably die in the west now! Everything is going wrong or even worst, there are americans in the west. Hey, just maybe your esteemed presence here may just change a nation or the allied nation's martial conscious. Frankly though; I doubt it! I forgot,"Rome was not changed in a day".
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!


I'm kinda, sorta, not sure what you might be saying here............can you clarify it a bit?

[RyuShiKan]

I guess my point is some of the absolute absurdity that some western martial artists try to pass along.

There is this website that I found that says Chojun Miyagi did Wushu and Goju! :rolleyes:


See link below:

http://www.chiduce.swsites.net/whats_new.html

[Chiduce]

How dumb can you get Ryushikan. Any person of such esteemed character as yourself would know that the slash separated 2 different things in that case. Well i will let you figure that out. If you fight like you think. You may as well just stay in japan. Oh yeah, in chinese what you are going through mentally is just some form of suki! Also, my url is beside my profile; most normal people can see that.
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Chiduce

How dumb can you get Ryushikan.
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!
Pretty dumb I guess.
That's why I went to University ( 2 real ones) for 7 years instead of the normal 4.

Originally posted by Chiduce

Oh yeah, in chinese what you are going through mentally is just some form of suki!
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!

I am sorry I am too dumb to know what your point is here.

I guess it's because I speak both Japanese and Chinese and suki seems to be Japanese rather than Chinese.

[Chiduce]

I know that suki is japanese. It at least got you to communicate like a normal person. By the way, i will not reply anymore an leave it at that.
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Chiduce

I know that suki is japanese. It at least got you to communicate like a normal person. By the way, i will not reply anymore an leave it at that.
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!


:confused:

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Chiduce

I know that suki is japanese.
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!


Just out of curiosity what is "suki"?

[Jeff Cook]

Boy, Robert, you sure are a dumb ignorant stupid idiot! And you dress funny! You pee sitting down! You can't whistle! Heck, you even throw a ball like a girl!

Everybody KNOWS that "suki" is a band! http://surf.to/suki

Geez!

;)

Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu

[RyuShiKan]

Jeff,

Gosh I guess you are right...........I should have known what SUKI was.

[Chiduce]

Originally posted by Jeff Cook

Boy, Robert, you sure are a dumb ignorant stupid idiot! And you dress funny! You pee sitting down! You can't whistle! Heck, you even throw a ball like a girl!

Everybody KNOWS that "suki" is a band! http://surf.to/suki

Geez!

;)

Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu That is a pretty good one! The band looks cool. Ok for an attacker to have a suki in his/her attack; he/she would have to have a thought distraction of thinking. This misdirection in thinking and broken concentration can come from something as simple as a major eye rake, to somthing as complex as a single dragon's head strike to the temple combined with a transforming single inverted (palm-up) spear hand strike (with the opposite hand) into the eagle's talon choking throw set-up. A quick stomp to fracture the attacker's ankle is a good example also. Thus, suki is a mental break in an individual's momentary or elongated train of thougth of concentrated control in the application of a physical act.
Sincerely, In Humility;
Chiduce!

[RyuShiKan]

Chiduce,

Maybe it's because I am so "stupid" & "unedjubakated" but I find your posts a bit hard to follow at times..........especially this one since first you wrote this:


from Chiduce:
Oh yeah, in chinese what you are going through mentally is just some form of suki!

and after I questioned you, .......you wrote this:


from Chiduce: I know that suki is japanese.

The reason I asked is because "suki" can have several meanings.
For example:

suki= spade
suki= like
suki= elegant pursuits
suki= an opening, a chance


The "suki" you are referring to just means "chance" or "opportunity" it's not referring to a "mental break in an individual's momentary or elongated train of thought"..........

What you ARE referring to is known as "ranzatsu" or "konran"....................if you want more lessons in Japanese I am afraid I will have to ask for tuition. ;)

[Chiduce]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan

Chiduce,

Maybe it's because I am so "stupid" & "unedjubakated" but I find your posts a bit hard to follow at times..........especially this one since first you wrote this:



The reason I asked is because "suki" can have several meanings.
For example:

suki= spade
suki= like
suki= elegant pursuits
suki= an opening, a chance


The "suki" you are referring to just means "chance" or "opportunity" it's not referring to a "mental break in an individual's momentary or elongated train of thought"..........

What you ARE referring to is known as "ranzatsu" or "konran"....................if you want more lessons in Japanese I am afraid I will have to ask for tuition. ;) In tournament i guess it would describe a change or opening in the oppentents guard to land a point or strike to win with. Yet i'am pretty sure that when a man is choking the life out of your body at point blank range, a vicious eye gouge tearing the eye muscles would create the opening or chance for escape. The eye rake produces the mental lapse in the attacker's concentration and creates the opening and chance for ending the confrontation with a finishing motion/strike/throw or any combination thereof.
This is why i do not want to communicate with you again. Goodbye dude!

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Chiduce

.............. Thus, suki is a mental break in an individual's momentary or elongated train of thougth of concentrated control in the application of a physical act.


You are confusing the noun with the verb.

The noun is suki and the verb is ranzatsu.............two different things.


Originally posted by Chiduce

This is why i do not want to communicate with you again. Goodbye dude!

Yes, I can see your point....or maybe I should say I see your "suki" ;) ....it must be very frustrating for a "Soke" of your caliber to write something only to have me, a lowly, "dumb" (your word), yudansha, show you it's inaccurate.


Here is the definition for suki:

�D‚« �y‚·‚«�z (adj-na,n) liking; fondness; love; (P) [Ex] [G] [S]
“§‚« �y‚·‚«�z (n) (1) chance or opportunity; chink (in one's armor); (2) interval; gap [G] [S]
Œ„ �y‚·‚«�z (n) (1) chance or opportunity; chink (in one's armor); (2) interval; gap; (P) [Ex] [G] [S]
�”Šñ �y‚·‚«�z (n) refined taste; elegant pursuits [G] [S]
‹ó‚« �y‚·‚«�z (n) room; time to spare; emptiness; vacant [Ex] [G] [S]
�› �y‚·‚«�z (n) spade; plough [Ex] [G] [S]

(you may need to change the encoding on your computer's tool bar to view the kanji, use the Japanese Auto-select for best viewing)

[Jeff Cook]

Chiduce,

What do you think about the ACMS college president, Dr. Jason Hunt, being ONLY 24 YEARS OLD? His birthdate is December 1978.

I am not gender or age-biased, but this certainly sets off a huge alarm for me....

Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Jeff Cook

Chiduce,

What do you think about the ACMS college president, Dr. Jason Hunt, being ONLY 24 YEARS OLD? His birthdate is December 1978.

I am not gender or age-biased, but this certainly sets off a huge alarm for me....

Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu


Unless he graduated University when he was 10 I doubt he is the real deal. Most people graduate with a BA at 21, maybe get and MA at 23 or 24 and then spend several more years to get a PhD.
"Mr." Hunt is as bogus as they come.....I bet he is a "Grandmaster" and "Soke" as well.

[D.Cobb]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan

I guess my point is some of the absolute absurdity that some western martial artists try to pass along.

There is this website that I found that says Chojun Miyagi did Wushu and Goju! :rolleyes:


See link below:

http://www.chiduce.swsites.net/whats_new.html


I thought "no give the benefit of the doubt", but then I saw this, ""Master Ed. Hutchison; Shaolin Kung Fu; Founder, Dragon Kenpo". I would have to say, "RYUSHIKAN you are sooooo right"

--Dave

Oh and by the way, in Australia a suki is spelt sooky and means someone that cries, whines and whinges about every little thing that annoys them.

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by Chiduce

...when a man is choking the life out of your body at point blank range...

Isn't it a little hard to choke the life out of someone from 100 meters out? You kind of have to be "at point blank range," don't you?

;)

Gambarimasu.

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by D.Cobb


Oh and by the way, in Australia a suki is spelt sooky and means someone that cries, whines and whinges about every little thing that annoys them.

In Japanese it's pronounced tsuki and not much emphasis on the "U" sound so it sounds kind of like tski



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