View Poll Results: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

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  • Yes, I can trace my training lineage back to the founder.

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  • Well, I am vaguely aware about some of the people who taught my instructor(s).

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  • No, but I would like to know.

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMike
    If I am not mistaken, Len Brassard removed Planas from his lineage page.

    Without Planas:
    http://www.familymartialartscenter.c...ge/Lineage.htm

    Without Wedlake:
    http://members.aol.com/DrLenKenpo/Lineage.htm

    Welcome to MartialTalk though

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    I stand corrected...thanks!

    Mr. White's lineage page has a footnote; "Upon Mr. Wedlake's advice, Mr. White also trained with Mr. Richard 'Huk' Planas for 15 years", but he's not included in the lineage.

    http://www.neckf.com/lineage/

    -Josh

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshamy01
    I stand corrected...thanks!

    Mr. White's lineage page has a footnote; "Upon Mr. Wedlake's advice, Mr. White also trained with Mr. Richard 'Huk' Planas for 15 years", but he's not included in the lineage.

    http://www.neckf.com/lineage/

    -Josh

    That's OK. I wrote it the same way in this thread about a year ago (Planas/Wedlake) because I knew there was influence from both teachers.

    Lineage is a sensitive thing. I guess I can't say how it should be listed since neither were my direct teacher. I just thought the 2 versions were a bit contradictory. Perhaps one website is no longer maintained, since I noticed my pictures on one of them were not retouched The longer you stay with a teacher, the more you learn though...

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    I am aware of my lineage, I have had the good fortune of being trained by 3 2nd Gen BB from three different "lines". But on the grand scheme of things the lineage issue is just a conversation piece to me. My "lines" don't mean as much to me as whether or not I value the training I have received. Perhaps this comes from studying so many systems but that's another topic all together....

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    Ed Parker>Tom Connor>Bill Packer>Chris Dixon

    Ed Parker>Tom Connor>Peter Hill>Aaron Morris
    I train under Mr.Morris and Mr.Dixon

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    I know it, I'm happy to know it, but it's not very important to me.

    My instructor is Mr. Hans Hesselmann. He was taught the system by Mr. Rainer Schulte and Mr. Parker Sr, who promoted Mr. Hesselmann to 1st black in 1982.

    Marcel
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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    Hi there,

    my lineage is:

    Mr. Ed Parker Sr. -> Mr. Rainer Schulte (see "The Journey") -> Mr. Christian Springer (promoted from 1st up to 4th Degree by Mr. Ed Parker Sr.)

    -> Mr. Thomas Kozitzky (tested and promoted for his 1st Degree by Mr. Ed Parker Sr.)
    -> Mr. Sascha Berning and Mr. Peter Gorski (tested and promoted to brown by Mr. Ed Parker Sr.)

    Okay, I see, my trainer are 4th Generation Black Belts.

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    Ed Parker > Al Tracy > Richard Lee > John Buckley > Morgan Newman > Morgan Malone > Me. The three below Richard Lee are a Master and 3rd, 1st degree BBs, respectively in our system.
    Those who can't do, dummy.

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    James M. Mitose
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    William K.S. Chow

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    And a long way from Black Belt, Me Phil Schoen

    I was lucky enough to find a website (on the advice of Brother John, a thread he posted on Kenpo Talk) that had all this information listed. I found it very interesting to see my place in the huge Kenpo family.

    I also want to again make it clear that I am in no way taking any credit for all the research that went into this list of Lineage’s I just though it might be useful to others.

    A black belt covers 2" of your butt. Covering the rest is soley up to you.

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    Sorry about how that came out. When I did it all in Word it was in paragraphed form and had the names in my linage highlighted. When I clicked post it came out the way it is and takes up most of one page. Anyone know how I can repair and repost that thread?
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    Erg! Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    Dude...Yes I would dare to say that it goes from...SGM Parker..Mr. Planas..Mr Chuck Epperson..Harry Lamphere to us....although we ALL (students) study Mr. Tatum's videos. Why you ask? Any man that taught under Mr. Parker for nearly twenty years knows the techs....and Mr. Huk has not finished his tech...series. then we won't have to hear "who taught you that" We can say.. Mr. Huk.. Your DVD..........

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    I am not sure of my Kenpo/Kenbo Lineage. I have considered myself a bastard black belt for quite some time. In the mid 1980's I was training in the D.C. Metro area with my first Sensei Nidan Randy Wozin. He introduced me to a visiting Instructor Sensei Henry Sotelo who at the time was a 5th Dan. He showed us such wonderfull techniques that were very good for street defense and he called it Kajukenbo. He told us he grew up in Hawaii and began learning from his Grandfather then at around 12 -13 he moved to Los Angeles. He also said he had trained in Ed Parkers System and had achieved his 6th dan By 1987. In 1987 he returned to the area for a short while and we trained for a couple of weekends. I told him of my disappointment over my failure in my first attempt at 1st Dan testing, at which he was a judging Black Belt. He gifted me with his black belt right off his waist and said he would keep in touch after he returned to Los Angeles so he could send me certification. I did not here from him, then I heard from an old training partner that he had died. Since then people who also knew him were upset when they learned that I possessed his Black Belt, claiming I had no right to have it. These people included Sensei Randy Wozin, Sensei Steve "Nasty" Anderson among others. I do not know who trained him, or what association certifited him. My last try at finding out lead me to find that Grandmaster Ted Sotelo was no relation to him, in fact he had never hreard of him. I still have his Black Belt in a place of Honor in my home. I feel lost in trying to find where this insightfull knowledge came from. I am not seeking rank or certification, I just want to know that my faith in him was well founded. If anyone knows about Henry Sotelo please post any info you might have. Thank you for hearing me out. Long live Kenpo. J. Linkins

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    Not EPAK, but still Kenpo:

    SGM Parker -> SGM Sullivan -> GM Le Roux

    I also pick the brain of Dr. Chapel any chance I get.
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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    I have become increasingly fascinated with the lineage. I find it extremely interesting to see who was with who and the different falling out they have had. It is really important that you understand where your teacher has been to see where you are going. My instructor is not only an amazing martail artist, but he lives for the history as I do. I feel the martial arts has its roots with the intellect first then the body second.

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    Re: Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

    Perhaps I'm beginning to feel the opposite. I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned with the idea of lineage. I can't shape my lineage in to a line. Sure, my instructor teaches me new things and motivates me to train, but so do all of you. Yes, my art is EPAK-based, but it was a couple of incredibly inspiring discussions with a Tracy black belt that opened my eyes at a very pivotal time.

    It is interesting to learn more about why and how my instructor learned his art. It's also interesting to learn about how others learned their art...and I want to learn more about both. But, this is very difficult to do when Kenpo different lineages get warped in to a caste-like denigration.
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