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    My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    An instructor I know who trains security personnel and police officers told me that a shoe can be legally considered a deadly weapon if it is used to kick someone. He also told me that it is standard procedure for police to confiscate a person's shoe as evidence when they investigate an assault in which that person kicked somebody (at least here in California anyway). Interesting, eh?

    So, I'm curious, how often have any of you LEO's out there confiscated someone's shoe as evidence in an assault?

    Or better yet, have any of you ever had the cops take your shoe?
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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    I've never seen a shoe taken, but, extra charges are against you for kicking, "a shod foot" is what it's called.

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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    "You fight like a woman! Honestly! Who throws a shoe??" ~ Austin Powers International Man Of Mystery.... baby!
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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    Quote Originally Posted by MA-Caver
    "You fight like a woman! Honestly! Who throws a shoe??" ~ Austin Powers International Man Of Mystery.... baby!
    Thats exactly what I was thinking as I opened this thread!

    On topic: I've never heard of this. Maybe California is just a bit strange, in this regard.
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    Not so weird! They need to protect all of those plastic faces. I mean, a thrown shoe could be very costly!

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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    Reminds me of a bit from a comedian years ago.

    NYC cop after being stabbed: Gimme that thing and get the hell outta here!!

    LAPD cop pulling someone over: (with drawn gun) Get out of the car!! Now!! Get the f*** on the ground!! Your right speaker is out!!

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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    we need to end and hide this thread right now, before they start taking my shoes at the airport.
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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    Hello, How do they know which shoe to take? Is there physcial evidence on the toe?,heel?, or blade of the shoe? or the guys face? ..just joking!

    So the shoe is the weapon? What is the leg doing the kicking is call? attactment?

    "Please officer" , do not take my weapons? (shoes). If you are using gloves because it is cold and you hit someone? ...is the glove consider a weapon too? "Officer I didn't use my fist to hit them? ..it was my gloves?

    What else can be use for weapons? ...400lb man? I just when seat on him? is FAT a weapon?

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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    Hello, We do alot of shoreline fishing in rocky areas,(many of the rocks are slipperly.) We use Japan made "Tabes" sock type of shoes with felt bottoms and/ or with spikes. I have the ones with spikes all over the bottom, great for walking the shoreline. The grib is solid.

    Sounds like golf shoes on concete. .....Aloha

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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    Hmmmm Well looks like I better not kick anyone around here. The cops here in San Francisco might take my schools just because they don't match my outfit

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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    Same in Mass. I forget whether they call it aggrevated assault or assault with a deadly weapon. It may not be a felony assault charge, but it wouldn't be simple assault anymore. Not sure whether if the police take shoes or not...never been that close to a fight (knock on wood).
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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    I guess it depends where you are but generally I think you'd have to have modified footware for it to be seen as an offensive weapon - at least in UK. I knew a guy who used to wear army boots to nightclubs... same guy used to throw bottles over his shoulder in nightclubs... he was a lovely bloke when he was sober but a liability after a pint ot two. But even he didn't modify the boots - hell he didn't have to.

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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    Hello, Do you remember the Beatles shoes? Very pointed? We all had one at that time? That would make a good weapon today. "Yea yea yea"

    Not sure if the Beatle's hair cut would be good? ........Aloha

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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    I think someone was confused when they told you the story.

    Deadly force is anything that could cause: "grave bodily harm or death."

    It is not so much that the shoe was a weapon, it is that repeated kicks to the head while someone is on the ground could constitute deadly force. There are recorded incidents of deaths from kicks to the head while the person is grounded.

    There are a lot of things that constitute a deadly force situation that don't involve weapons. Eye gauges, for example, constitutes grave bodily harm, and is therefore considered lethal force.

    So, I don't think it was the shoe that was considered a weapon. I think that it was the kicks to the head that could constitute deadly force.

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    Re: My Shoe is a Deadly Weapon?

    The shoe adds an extra bit of damage to the attack. Try raking your bare foot down someones shin...now do it with hiking boots on. Big difference in damage. Kick someone in the head with a bare foot...now do it with steel toes on. Again a big difference. I believe the idea is that anything that is not part of the natural human body is considered a weapon and given how it is used makes it deadly. Just my 2 cents worth.
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