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    Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    Is there a difference?

    I've heard some people really poo-poo one style or the other, but from the outside looking in they seem close to identical.

    Could somebody explain?

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    Different organizations choose to romanize the Chinese in differnt ways to distinguish their schools from each other. Not to get into it too deep, but Wing Chun/Ving Tsun, etc, politics have made for great "kung fu soap opera" over the years.

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    Thanks. I had heard/read once that, really, it's a translation error. I figured I'd confirm before continuing to shoot off my mouth.
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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    I don't know that I would say it was an error, I think it was intentional, and ther eare a number of ways to romanize Chinese.

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    Fair enough. But they're different romanized spellings of the same original art?
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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    wing chun/ wing tsun etc is like karate or aikido - infinite variations on the same theme and everybody thinks thier way is correct, while a good chunk of it is garbage. Which it were a little more consisitent like judo

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    I have studied both very briefly and I am certainly no expert on the matter. One of the main differences that I came across was in the simple pattern block check strike in trapping hands. I studied pien san (turning style) and then Wing Tsun. In wing tsun the check portion of trapping hands was eliminated. The general concept was that by eliminating a move that it was faster, and depending on who you were trapping hands with that could be true. It was said that it was even more centerline oriented than other styles of wing chun. That is mainly what I could see.

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    "But they're different romanized spellings of the same original art?"

    Yep, same root, diferent branches.

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    Should I ???????????
    No fancy mess just hard training

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    If you can believe anything is possible

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    Wing Chun and Wing Tsun is referring to the same art. Province is the difference in pronounciation. Although there are different applications taught in various branches of Wing Chun, the difference in spelling is not the reason or explanation for such.

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    Smile Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    bcbernam sounds like you know something, please share it as this is an interesting topic that i wonder about but know very little on,

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    I ' ve studied traditional wing chun and wing tsun and i search a lot about the different lineages of wing wing chun..... I think that grandmaster Yip Man while he was teaching,wasn t explaining in his students the applications . They had to learn wing chun only by seeing him , and making again and again the application without a lot of theory.Also Yip Man in the years change the wing chun so as to fix it with his self. At first was more stiff and at the end of his life more soft , using the opponents power....

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    I was looking at some of my old Kung Fu magazines and there was a WC interview with Li Ting and the writer said that the reason for the spelling difference was because in England the initials WC meant the "water closet" and the spelling was to avoid the association with the toilet room.

    Sounds iffy, but that is just the answer they gave.

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    Last edited by Zenaphobe; 05-31-2007 at 11:16 PM. Reason: spelling

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    Mushi Mushi Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    Wing Chun = general English transliteration accepted by majority of people.

    Traditional Wing Chun = William Cheung

    Ving tsun = Moy Yat

    Wing Tsun = Leung Ting

    Wing Tzun = Emin Boztepe

    Whats the difference? Well its allot of politics.
    If everyone learned from the same person it should be generally similar... well in some ways it is. Allot of the general ideas you can see in all the of "sub-Styles".

    My opinion of the differences:
    Traditional Wing Chun = William Cheung:
    1). He was a good fighter in his youth, but he relied on his natural abilities more than anything else. This is evident in his "style". He was pretty big for a typical HK youth. He chain punches WAY too much. He has added Chi Kung to his style.

    2). Ving tsun = Moy Yat
    Too soft, not enough hard. I can't comment on his training .. I don't know anything about it. Allot of people seem to just do things by blind faith, loosing allot of application... and basic ideas. JMO Do some research and find the real reason he spells it this way. Its pretty eye opening.

    3).Wing Tsun = Leung Ting & Wing Tzun = Emin Boztepe :
    Emin is a very VERY large person, and his style is VERY much influenced by his natural skill. That being said I have seen some clips were his chi sao has many good characteristics.
    Leung Ting.. its amazing how he has the largest organization giving his background and training. They both tend to push the "blitz defense" and focus on chain punching and coming in. They tend to OVER train. What I mean by this is they will use too much force in training, at situations that are a waste of time. They have a “anti-Grappling” component to their style. (well emin does) It is mostly taken from his experience in Turkish oil wrestling. I have heard many times that they are training people for UFC and MMA.


    So who do I “prefer”... I have come across some JKD people that are more Wing Chun that majority of Wing Chun schools. LOL
    Sub-Styles I prefer:


    Hawkins cheung, Duncan Leung, Lo Man Kam, Allan Lee.

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    Re: Wing Chun vs Wing Tsun

    As Monji so eloquently pointed out, Wing Chun, Ving Tsun etc etc, all follow similar principles, ideals and basic energies but the application and interpretation of those principles differ from Lineage to Lineage, simply because, from the founders of those lineages down to the students who learn under them, interpret and apply those principles differently. Wing Chun is very much a human art and therefore will take on the charechteristics of differences between different people.
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