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    Question Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

    I was wondering if any of you practioners of Kuk Sool Won train and learn the applications of your forms. For example: Okinawan Karate masters that teach the Bunkai of their kata's.

    Any insights into the form Ki Cho Hyung?

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    Re: Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

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    Re: Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

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    Re: Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

    -I could've sworn there was someone on MT that trained KSW but they may not be around anymore. I dabbled in the style once upon a time but not enough to learn much. Perhaps post your question in the Korean Arts general thread section?


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    Re: Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

    Thanks for taking the time to reply to my message.
    Hopefully someone on here may have experience in Kuk Sool Won or one of its 'sister' arts that can answer my question.

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    Re: Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

    Quote Originally Posted by Doomx2001 View Post
    Thanks for taking the time to reply to my message.
    Hopefully someone on here may have experience in Kuk Sool Won or one of its 'sister' arts that can answer my question.
    I guess this sort of goes to your reply in my thread in the Hapkido forum. Kuk Sool Won was probably absorbed into TKD in the past and therefore there aren't many practitioners of that art as a specific art. Anyone know if it was one that was absorbed?

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    Re: Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

    Quote Originally Posted by oftheherd1 View Post
    I guess this sort of goes to your reply in my thread in the Hapkido forum. Kuk Sool Won was probably absorbed into TKD in the past and therefore there aren't many practitioners of that art as a specific art. Anyone know if it was one that was absorbed?
    I think you may be thinking of a different martial art if I'm not mistaken.
    Kuk Sool Won started sometime in the early 60's by some of forefathers of hapkido today. These men were students of Hapkido (Korean flavored Aikijujutsu as taught by GM Choi), Tae Kyun (ancient kicking art of Korea that survived Japanese occupation), some Shotokan as it was the forerunner to many TaeKwonDo styles before they merged, and finally many different Kung Fu styles that were taught by Chinese immigrants who fled the Boxer Rebellion in China. These Kung Fu styles include Tai Chi Manits, Southern Mantis, Kempo (not the kenpo we know here in america, as kempo is basically a generic blend of martial arts that vary from instructor to instructor and not as a single 'style'.) The Kempo was refered by the koreans sometimes as Gwon Bop or PalChigi (I can't spell).

    The above is my respective version of KSW history (which could be totally wrong, I wasn't there, so I really don't know), though the official KSW history states that In Hyuk Suh learned the bulk of what he knows from his grandfather I think who said to be a Royal Court Officer. But the official history of KSW also states that In Hyuk Suh took the time to study various martial arts in Korean that were avaiable at the time form KSW.

    Anyway, all this stuff was organized together into one system of martial arts that today we know as Kuk Sool Won. The original idea, I think, was for it to be THE KOREAN MARTIAL ART. A national art. It didn't really pan out that way though for not KSW, but also for Hapkido (as the art couldn't unify like TaeKwonDo did), and Hwarang Do. In the end TaeKwonDo won out as the Korean National art.

    But, as far as I understand, Kuk Sool Won really has nothing to do with Tae Kwon Do, and is still going strong today with it's headquaters here in America, California I think, with variations of the style taught nationwide, and world wide.
    The reason I went into the 'history' of KSW and all that was to make sure we was talking about the same art.

    I wonder what style you was referring to? Surely it an't the same one!?
    I could be wrong about what I said, though, you never know.

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    Re: Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

    Can anyone answer the original question asked about Ki Cho Hyung?

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    Re: Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

    Quote Originally Posted by Doomx2001 View Post
    Can anyone answer the original question asked about Ki Cho Hyung?
    My time in KSW was short but I don't believe the forms are intended to teach live applications at all. That's what the kibon sool series and so on are for. The forms are more for developing flow and grace.

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    Re: Kuk Sool Won's - 'KI-Cho Hyung' Applications

    Thanks for replying. I was thinking the same thing. There are alot of movements in the forms that suggest that they have a meaning, but as you said, it's more about flow, and grace. For me, when I train in the forms, I try to visualize fighting an oppenent, or multiple attackers. I've been messing around trying to come up with my own interpretations for the forms. I was hoping someone else had done the same.

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