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    Re: Inheritors Of The Art

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    Re: Inheritors Of The Art

    Personally I don't see how anyone person or group could be the sole inheritors of Gm Remy's system of Modern Arnis. GM Remy made his living on the road teaching at different seminars to different groups of people, generally martial artists in different arts. He promoted Modern Arnis to be the "art within your art" so he taught differently to different groups.

    Having attended several camps/seminars with various instructors in Modern Arnis, i.e. the Motts, Dan Anderson, Bram, Datu Dieter, Datu Hartman, Jeff Delaney, Remy Jr., Datu Kelly Worden, and seeing other instructors from the PI (Bambit, Gm Tongas) at these camps and such. Generally they all teach different and have different skills, and different points of view on Modern Arnis and they all learned and trained with the same guy. All of these individuals (and many more) spent years, months, days and hours training and learning from GM Remy, but they are all very different in their approaches to the art, their presentations, etc. etc.

    I don't believe it would be this diverse if he taught from a central school or location and everyone trained there and then spread out and promoted the art. While he was teaching Modern Arnis, he promoted it as the "art within your art" therefore I believe that people would come away from training camps and seminars with different views because they filtered it through their primary arts. Another reason I think the art is as diverse as is is was because the Professor taught from the view point of motion application which would lead to a even wider view instead of it being just this technique or that. Then you have him teaching some things over here in the states like the empty hand anyos and then not teaching them in other areas and so on. I remember being at my first camp and GM Remy telling my training partner (who was an instructor in Preying Mantis gung fu) that his anyo Isa was very good when he did it as if he was doing a mantis form.

    With a teaching methodology like the Professor had, his life style, even his art it self, I don't see how any one person could claim to be the sole inheritor of the system. And to be honest I don't think the Professor wanted a sole inheritor, rather I do believe he would be quite proud of the way things have turned out. Maybe it is not quite what he envisioned but none the less to see the vast differences between his top students and where they have taken his art, I can help but believe he would be proud.

    Another positive thing to have come out in recent years has been the seminars where the seniors are getting together and teaching; the symposium, Dan's Summer camp in 2005, Dieter Summer camps, and last years Reunion Camp hosted by Datu Hartman each one has gotten better and I believe the best is yet to come as differences are put aside. In my opinion the instruction at the camps has gotten better since GM Remy's passing and frankly the art itself has become stronger with the diversification of the teaching.

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    Re: Inheritors Of The Art

    The inheritor of the art carries a great responsibility for its survival.

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    Re: Inheritors Of The Art

    My instructor studied with Master Presas for 6 years. Now, like many others, he is passing his knowledge on to a new generation of students (including this old codger). Most martial arts systems have a few centuries of formal existance and a certain level of codification starting in the 20th century. Grand Masters like Funikoshi, Hwang Kee, Emperado come to mind. Master Presas' system is relatively new in a formal sense. I expect that as his most skilled students emerge, they will continue to refine and promulgate the tenets of this wonderful art. Historically, all of the major systems seem to have gone through a similar time when the founding Master passes. We are fortunate that we can turn to videos of Master Presas and review his teachings. From there it is up to the rising Masters to carry on the art and add to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by sfs982000 View Post
    As a student of the martial arts, wouldn't it be somewhat safe to say that all students are inheritors of the arts? Not in the sense that we're in charge of a system or organization, but the knowledge base itself of the arts. On the subject of Arnis, my only experience with it personnally came in the form of a seminar I attended back in the mid 80's with Jeff Arnold.
    The end of all of our paths will be the same and the goal is not "He that dies with the most toys wins". May your path end with the most love, the most honor, and the most joy for yourself and those around you.

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    Re: Inheritors Of The Art

    Quote Originally Posted by DennisBreene View Post
    Most martial arts systems have a few centuries of formal existance and a certain level of codification starting in the 20th century. Grand Masters like Funikoshi, Hwang Kee, Emperado come to mind. Master Presas' system is relatively new in a formal sense.
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    I disagree and agree with this statement in principle. Most martial Art systems don't have a few centuries of formal existence, in fact most systems that we know of today have only recently been created most occurring in the 20th Century making them a little of 100years old and generally in the 80ys and below range. In fact looking at the history of the martial arts say Japanese Karate, TKD, Arnis (Kali and Escrima), Systema, Aikido, Kajukenpo, Savate, even many forms of Kung Fu are all recent creations. Even Judo was created in the late 19th century.

    But your point as I understand it is completely true in that Modern Arnis is a new art (just celebrating 50 years in 2007).

    I know that some battlefield arts existed prior to 100 years ago but they don't really resemble the arts as they are taught today.


    Quote Originally Posted by DennisBreene View Post
    I expect that as his most skilled students emerge, they will continue to refine and promulgate the tenets of this wonderful art. Historically, all of the major systems seem to have gone through a similar time when the founding Master passes. We are fortunate that we can turn to videos of Master Presas and review his teachings. From there it is up to the rising Masters to carry on the art and add to it.
    What is even more fortunate is that you have an Modern Arnis instructor who studied with GM Presas for a decent amount of time and is passing on the art to you. GM Remy's DVDs do help show the way but it is the new group of instructors who will now help the art to grow.

    I'm glad to have found a Modern Arnis instructor, it is a great art.

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